Megan is so pro... never steps on Barts answers, and always has something to say when she does speak. Keeps it light and informative at the same time. Thanks to Megan and Bart

@slawero

10 ай бұрын

The format of those videos was chosen thoughtfully - it helps them both shine

@nuynobi

2 ай бұрын

I too am impressed with her. Who is she? Does she have her own channel? A last name?

I’m in England. Many Church of England vicars are clear that doing good deeds is what is important. A personal relationship with Jesus is not important at all. Having a belief in god is not important . It seems to be an American thing that your belief is more important than your actions.

@asynchronicity

Жыл бұрын

A different strain of Protestantism took hold.

It bothers me that an omnibenevolent deity would have a favorite people at all.

@1001011011010

Жыл бұрын

Genesis 12 I think explains it pretty well. "And the Lord said to Abram: Go forth out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and out of thy father's house, and come into the land which I shall shew thee. And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and magnify thy name, and thou shalt be blessed. I will bless them that bless thee, and curse them that curse thee, and IN THEE shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed." Here we see that the seed of Abraham is to be a sort of conduit through which "all the kindreds of the earth be blessed". Which can explain how, despite apparent tension, locality and universality could be held simultaneously.

@lunacurtis780

Жыл бұрын

It's a good thing one of the Psalms seems to explain this. Unfortunately for Christians, the exact same verse also means YHWH isn't God

@reinhardschneider9186

Жыл бұрын

i hear you brother

@steveng8727

Жыл бұрын

I'm Irish, can we be the 'Chosen'? Or is it only an ancient semitic tribe?

@1001011011010

Жыл бұрын

@@steveng8727 In the Christian dispensation Jew and Gentile were made one in Christ, in whom "there is neither Jew nor Greek"

I like how meagan and bart delicately skirt the line between an interview and a conversation…. Having the directionality of an interview, while maintaining the comfortable interaction of a conversation

I love Bart Ehrman. I could listen to him talk about this stuff all day.

@nylaway7170

7 ай бұрын

He has this very winsome, avuncular quality to him.

As an dyslexic, atheist, insomniac I often lie awake at night wondering if there is a dog!

@sherwinsy7250

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

aroo!

@thelostone6981

Жыл бұрын

There is a one true Dog, sure for!

@venenareligioest410

Жыл бұрын

@@thelostone6981 Anything is paw-sible!

Hello Dr.Ehrman! Thank you for your contribution to the world through your research on Christianity. The more I listen to you talk about the religion of Christianity the more I realize how little I knew about this religion. Thank you for teaching us so so much! Have a wonderful time!

Reading his books, and listening to B Ehrman has been so informative for me. I always found church "teachings" problematic, since childhood. Thank you again for thoughtful and intellectually informed information.

It bothers me that an omnibenevolent deity would allow all the elite and wealthy to laugh at the poor in this world and doesn't punish evil

Original sin is a complete failure as a theological explanation. Adam and Eve were punished for eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil when God said not to eat from it. However, prior to eating it, they had no knowledge of right and wrong. They were perfectly incapable of making moral assessments. They had no way to judge or even conceptualize whether or not it was wrong to eat the fruit. They had no way to know if God himself was good or evil. They had no way to evaluate whether they should or should not listen to God. The same goes for the snake. Is it good ir evil? Listen or don't listen? They were completely incapable of making this assessment. They were essentially babies in a moral sense. Yet God punishes them and all their descendants in perpetuity for breaking a commandment he knew they would break before he created them and because he created them in such a way that they couldn't not break it. Adam and Eve bear absolutely no responsibility for eating those fruits. They were intentionally set up to fail. It would be like if God made Adam and Eve blind, but then put a certain area in the middle of the garden of Eden that lacked any way to differentiate it from the rest of the garden without seeing it. And god calls this forbidden area the Patch Of Vision. If AnE step on it, they will gain sight. God commands them not to step on the patch, for otherwise, he says, they will surely die. But one day, as Adam and Eve were wandering about the garden, they accidentally stepped onto the patch and instantly gained eyesight. Now, God comes down, enraged that they didn't listen to him, and he curses them and all their descendants in perpetuity, then banishes them from Eden. Would this be reasonable? It sounds pretty stupid to me, but this is a perfect parallel to the original story. They have no way to avoid disibeying God because he's deprived them of the necessary ability to do so. And the only way for them to gain the ability that would allow them to follow his order is by first breaking the order. He sets them up for failure, knowing they will fail and giving them no tools to succeed, then he punishes them for doing exactly what he planned that they would do. Now, he has an excuse to punish them. If you actually consider this story in a non-biased way, God seems like an evil being who wanted to punish and torment people, so he put a plan into action so he could do just that. And then he creates this ridiculous narrative to dupe the gullible into blaming themselves for his sadism and to get them to worship and praise him like he's a great perfectly good being and he's just trying to do what's best for us when in fact we're just his torture toys. It's a sick and twisted story. Frightening so many people believe it and think the Bible is a source of morality and not a source of how to be a psychopathic tyrant and get away with it. Thank God that God is not real. Thank God we don't actually live in the Christian concept of reality. We are so lucky that we don't actually have a psychopathic deity controlling our eternal destinies. LOL btw I was trying to be ironic by thanking God for this. I, of course, don't believe in him. But I still want to thank him for not-existing. It's the greatest gift we could possibly have gotten from him 😂

Every episode I think: this was the best one but the next episode is always more interesting. Great. Love it

These discussions are fantastic. Bart is amazing, and Megan is the *perfect* interviewer whose questions are always intelligent and whose insights are exceptional. An incredible partnership!

@stylis666

Жыл бұрын

I don't think there could ever be too many compliments like yours 💛

@Jaryism

11 ай бұрын

This interviewer has literally no personality, she has the personality of an android in Star Trek. She'll ask a question, then just awkwardly stare without blinking rarely ever smiling, then once Bart's done talking just move on to the next segment... complete robot. If you see some "incredible partnership" I have no idea wtf "chemistry" looks like to you, basically just existenting and talking means incredible partnership to you with your bar that low.

The bible: The law is written on your heart so you have no excuse. Also the bible: the heart is deceitful above all else.

Both the God in the old and New Testament is cruel is not a God of love and peace but of vengeance and retribution.

@MissionarySmile.

Жыл бұрын

Do you witness God?

@epicofatrahasis3775

Жыл бұрын

He's also imaginary and based on Canaanite mythology. According to the general consensus of scholarship (even critical Christian scholars), YHWH was originally incorporated into the Canaanite pantheon as a son of the Canaanite high god El before inheriting the top spot in the pantheon and El's wife Athirat (Asherah) before religious reforms. If you want to see if El is fictional, just read his mythology in the Ugaritic/Canaanite texts. "I should add here that it is very clear from the grammar that the noun nachalah in v. 9 should be translated “inheritance.” *Yahweh receives Israel as his “inheritance” (nachalah), just as the other sons of El received their nations as their inheritance (nachal, v. 8).* With this verb, especially in the Hiphil, the object is always what is being given as an inheritance. Thus, Israel is given to Yahweh as his inheritance. ((Here I’m indebted to Dan McClellan.)) It would make no sense for Elyon to give himself an inheritance. Moreover, as I’ve argued elsewhere, it is not just the Gentile nations that are divided up according to the number of the sons of El. It is all of humankind, i.e., “the sons of Adam.” This clearly includes Israel. And the sons of Adam are not divided up according to the number of the sons of El, plus one (i.e., plus Elyon). They are divided up, according to the text, solely according to the number of the sons of El. *Thus, that Yahweh receives Israel as his inheritance makes Yahweh one of the sons of El mentioned in v. 8. Any other construal of the text would constitute its rewriting."* *"The Most Heiser: Yahweh and Elyon in Psalm 82 and Deuteronomy 32 - Religion at the Margins"* based on the *majority scholarly consensus.* (Written by Thom Stark who is a Christian) *"Michael Heiser: A Unique Species? - Religion at the Margins"* (A second response to Michael Heiser) *"Excerpt from “Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan” by John Day - Lehi's Library."* *"The Table of Nations: The Geography of the World in Genesis 10 - TheTorah.com"* (Excluding the short narrative on Nimrod (vv. 8-12), which appears to be a later addition, Genesis 10 contains *70* names of nations or cities, a number that was symbolic of totality. Similarly, the descendants of Jacob were *70* in number (Gen 46:37; Exod 1:5), *as were the sons of the supreme Canaanite god El, with whom YHWH became equated.)* *"Mark Smith: Yahweh as El’s Son & Yahweh’s Ascendency - Lehi's Library"* (Mark Smith is a Catholic) *"02 | December | 2009 | Daniel O. McClellan - Psalm 82"* (Daniel McClellan is a Mormon) *"Elohim | Daniel O. McClellan"* (Refer to the article "Angels and Demons (and Michael Heiser)") *"God's Wife Edited Out of the Bible - Almost."* (Pay attention to whose wife Asherah (Athirat) is in the Ugaritic/Canaanite texts and how she became the wife of YHWH/Yahweh) *"Yahweh's Divorce from the Goddess Asherah in the Garden of Eden - Mythology Matters."* *"Married Deities: Asherah and Yahweh in Early Israelite Religion - Yahweh Elohim."* *"Asherah, God's Wife in Ancient Israel. Part IV - theyellowdart"* *"The Gates of Ishtar - El, was the original god of the bible."* *"The Gates of Ishtar - Anath in the Elephantine Papyri"* (It appears in addition to Asherah (Athirat) being the consort of Yahweh it also appears some Israelites also viewed the Canaanite goddess Anat(h) as Yahweh's consort) *"Canaanite Religion - New World Encyclopedia"* (Refer to the section "Relationship to Biblical Religion") *"The Syncretization of Yahweh and El : reddit/AcademicBiblical"* (For a good summary of all of the above articles) Watch Professor Christine Hayes who lectures on the Hebrew Bible at Yale University. Watch lecture 2 from 40:40 to 41:50 minutes, lecture 7 from 30:00 minutes onwards, lecture 8 from 12:00 to 17:30 minutes and lecture 12 from 27:40 minutes onwards. Watch *"Pagan Origins of Judaism"* by Sigalius Myricantur and read the description in the video to see the scholarship the video is based on. Watch *"How Monotheism Evolved"* by Sigalius Myricantur and watch up to at least 21:40. Watch *"Atheism - A History of God (The Polytheistic Origins of Christianity and Judaism)"* (By a former theist) Watch *"The Origins of Yahweh"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica.

“What kind of designer or creator only chooses to “reveal” himself to semi-stupefied peasants in desert regions? I have met some highly intelligent believers, but history has no record of any human being who was remotely qualified to say that he knew or understood the mind of god. Yet this is precisely the qualification which the godly must claim-so modestly and so humbly-to possess. It is time to withdraw our “respect” from such fantastic claims, all of them aimed at the exertion of power over other humans in the real and material world.” Christopher Hitchens, The Portable Atheist: Essential Readings for the Nonbeliever

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

@@notanemoprog the confusion is a feature not a bug. Religion is irrational by design. It requires you to deny the evidence of your senses.

@venenareligioest410

Жыл бұрын

@@notanemoprog 👍 And every obscene old book he gives to mankind could have been written by an ignorant, self important, desert dwelling chancer!

@TheGuiltsOfUs

Жыл бұрын

I agree.

Never liked the Book of Revelations. The church I grew up in used it to scare you into believing. Never understood coming to a loving Savior through fear.

@paulschlachter4313

Жыл бұрын

Really scary stuff if you happen to believe it... In Rev 14,14ff Jesus and an angel "reap" the earth with "sharp sickles" then gather "its grapes and threw them into the great winepress of God’s wrath. They were trampled in the winepress outside the city, and blood flowed out of the press, rising as high as the horses’ bridles for a distance of 1,600 stadia [300km]."

@stylis666

Жыл бұрын

_"The church I grew up in used it to scare you into believing. "_ The scriptures/god you grew up with used it to scare you into believing. Common typo, I fixed it for you. You're welcome. Your church didn't write the bible, nor inspire it, nor is it the main character in the bible.

Excellent content, audio, and nice saturation of colors for the video! Really looking forward to next weeks video because that is what I have been wondering the last couple weeks.

I was just thinking the same thing. Watched a great discussion between Bishop Barron and Cosmic Skeptic last night, and Barron was talking about how great, strange, unthinkable, unknowable God is, and I was just thinking, he's portrayed so understandably throughout the bible. Here in Revelation you have him in heaven on a "throne" and "surrounded" by angels and beings. In the old Testament he's talking with everyone in plain Hebrew, showing very mammal like emotions and desires...It seems like there is a lot we can pin down and say about him. He is either incapable of changing his, what would be in a human called character flaws, being vengeful, incredibly jealous, desirous of neverending adoration, or he can change these things, but isnt interested in doing that. Either way seems like a decent example of what Im trying to say.

@DasWortwurdeFleisch

Жыл бұрын

God gets up from the throne in 5:6, morphing into the lamb, which is a picture of the Holy Spirit bringing forth the Son. Do not allow the biased Bart Ehrman to remote control your mind. He is lost and he knows it and he tries to take as many with him as he can.

@cwellik805

Жыл бұрын

It seems the only conclusion for me is that the Bible is a collection of stories that try to understand or connect with a “higher power” that most humans somehow sense exists, and tries to express within their own culture and time. If we don’t destroy our beautiful planet, perhaps the great collection of all stories in every culture throughout human existence will coalesce into an understanding of God that accurately represents the true Divinity. I really loved Barts example of the horizontal view of heaven and hell becoming vertical.

@SqwarkParrotSpittingFeathers

Жыл бұрын

He’s unknowable because it doesn’t exist.

@AldousHuxleysCat

Жыл бұрын

A God invented by humans doing human things and you wonder why it seems like oh God it's just like us that's because we invented God Why would this being be vain why would they need to be worshiped what possible purpose can angels singing their praises do for them? These are all things people wish they had. Streets of gold you got to be kidding me why would God need that? If indeed there is some sort of Creator in so far beyond our imagination is to be incomprehensible at this stage. If in fact there are places we go after this then I believe it will become more slowly revealed to us over the course of those lifetimes

@epicofatrahasis3775

Жыл бұрын

The Hebrew god is obviously man made. He's also based on Canaanite mythology. According to the general consensus of scholarship (even critical Christian scholars), YHWH was originally incorporated into the Canaanite pantheon as a son of the Canaanite high god El before inheriting the top spot in the pantheon and El's wife Athirat (Asherah) before religious reforms. If you want to see if El is fictional, just read his mythology in the Ugaritic/Canaanite texts. "I should add here that it is very clear from the grammar that the noun nachalah in v. 9 should be translated “inheritance.” *Yahweh receives Israel as his “inheritance” (nachalah), just as the other sons of El received their nations as their inheritance (nachal, v. 8).* With this verb, especially in the Hiphil, the object is always what is being given as an inheritance. Thus, Israel is given to Yahweh as his inheritance. ((Here I’m indebted to Dan McClellan.)) It would make no sense for Elyon to give himself an inheritance. Moreover, as I’ve argued elsewhere, it is not just the Gentile nations that are divided up according to the number of the sons of El. It is all of humankind, i.e., “the sons of Adam.” This clearly includes Israel. And the sons of Adam are not divided up according to the number of the sons of El, plus one (i.e., plus Elyon). They are divided up, according to the text, solely according to the number of the sons of El. *Thus, that Yahweh receives Israel as his inheritance makes Yahweh one of the sons of El mentioned in v. 8. Any other construal of the text would constitute its rewriting."* *"The Most Heiser: Yahweh and Elyon in Psalm 82 and Deuteronomy 32 - Religion at the Margins"* based on the *majority scholarly consensus.* (Written by Thom Stark who is a Christian) *"Michael Heiser: A Unique Species? - Religion at the Margins"* (A second response to Michael Heiser) *"Excerpt from “Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan” by John Day - Lehi's Library."* *"The Table of Nations: The Geography of the World in Genesis 10 - TheTorah.com"* (Excluding the short narrative on Nimrod (vv. 8-12), which appears to be a later addition, Genesis 10 contains *70* names of nations or cities, a number that was symbolic of totality. Similarly, the descendants of Jacob were *70* in number (Gen 46:37; Exod 1:5), *as were the sons of the supreme Canaanite god El, with whom YHWH became equated.)* *"Mark Smith: Yahweh as El’s Son & Yahweh’s Ascendency - Lehi's Library"* (Mark Smith is a Catholic) *"02 | December | 2009 | Daniel O. McClellan - Psalm 82"* (Daniel McClellan is a Mormon) *"Elohim | Daniel O. McClellan"* (Refer to the article "Angels and Demons (and Michael Heiser)") *"God's Wife Edited Out of the Bible - Almost."* (Pay attention to whose wife Asherah (Athirat) is in the Ugaritic/Canaanite texts and how she became the wife of YHWH/Yahweh) *"Yahweh's Divorce from the Goddess Asherah in the Garden of Eden - Mythology Matters."* *"Married Deities: Asherah and Yahweh in Early Israelite Religion - Yahweh Elohim."* *"Asherah, God's Wife in Ancient Israel. Part IV - theyellowdart"* *"The Gates of Ishtar - El, was the original god of the bible."* *"The Gates of Ishtar - Anath in the Elephantine Papyri"* (It appears in addition to Asherah (Athirat) being the consort of Yahweh it also appears some Israelites also viewed the Canaanite goddess Anat(h) as Yahweh's consort) *"Canaanite Religion - New World Encyclopedia"* (Refer to the section "Relationship to Biblical Religion") *"The Syncretization of Yahweh and El : reddit/AcademicBiblical"* (For a good summary of all of the above articles) Watch Professor Christine Hayes who lectures on the Hebrew Bible at Yale University. Watch lecture 2 from 40:40 to 41:50 minutes, lecture 7 from 30:00 minutes onwards, lecture 8 from 12:00 to 17:30 minutes and lecture 12 from 27:40 minutes onwards. Watch *"Pagan Origins of Judaism"* by Sigalius Myricantur and read the description in the video to see the scholarship the video is based on. Watch *"How Monotheism Evolved"* by Sigalius Myricantur and watch up to at least 21:40. Watch *"Atheism - A History of God (The Polytheistic Origins of Christianity and Judaism)"* (By a former theist) Watch *"The Origins of Yahweh"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica.

WOW. I'd always wondered about this stuff, and this an EXCELLENT overview of exactly these issues.

Looking forward to next week's episode. I wonder why Revelation wasn't dropped from the Canon when it's predictions failed.

@jeffryphillipsburns

Жыл бұрын

Why wasn’t Jesus dropped when Jesus’s predictions failed? If Ehrman is right that Jesus was essentially an “apocalyptic preacher”, then clinging to failed predictions is the essence of Christianity. Sir Fred Hoyle remained steadfast in his belief in the steady state universe theory to his death, long after it had been thoroughly debunked. At that point, you might argue-at the point it became an article of faith for him, it had ceased to be astrophysics and had turned into something akin to religious dogma. This is the nature of religion: it is impervious to reason.

I'm loving all this Revelation content that you two are making. When I was a Christian, I tried reading it to try to understand the end times. It didn't make any sense to me, so I thought it better to just not think about it. Now that I'm not a Christian, learning about how it relates to the rest of the Christian Scriptures and the Hebrew Bible is fascinating. Historical context is essential! Thanks to both of you!

@nextworld9176

Жыл бұрын

So now you know that the End Times were just a few years after the Crucifixion, long ago. It didn't happen.

The description of slaughter in Jericho is identical to what is happening in Gaza today.

The concepts of Heaven and Hell, Judgment Day and the final revelation of the world, and angels and demons all originated in the Zoorastrianism. It was the religion on Persia, bordering Roman Empire. Iraq had a significant Jewish and early Christian population.

This will stand the test of time. A classic. Thank you both.

Bravo for telling lay people about Christianity without the push to convert the viewer. 👍

@tomrhodes1629

Жыл бұрын

Christianity must convert ITSELF to the teachings ("GOOD NEWS") of JC, and divorce itself from the manmade BAD NEWS of "sacrifice for sin." "They worship me in vain, teaching for doctrine the commandments of men." JC (Matthew 15:9) "GOD IS LOVE" and has absolutely no jealousy or wrath, which is of satan. The Bible often mixes GOD's and satan's attributes so that we learn to discern between the two. And absolutely nothing in this world makes sense until you find the "Philosopher's Stone," which is the deepest of truths, and The Meaning of Life, which is the best-kept secret in this entire Universe of limitation: THE PRECISE REASON WHY WE ARE EXPERIENCING IT. This information is revealed in my little online book (The Book of GOD), which can be read in 5 minutes at no cost. Click and ye shall find. Elijah has returned, as prophesied. I communicate only through my sites.

Thank you for addressing this question and for your answer that at the very least there is very certainly a strong discrepancy between the two. This enormously helps me in my need to 'judge' the God of the Bible for my own protection and integrity and well-being and decency and to cast off his unreasonable oppressiveness. It is terrible that we even have this difficult doctrinal reality that needs reconciliation, I am disappointed in God.

Everytime I see a new video, I know I am about to learn something fascinating from Bart.

Thank you, Dr. Ehrman, for your serious and knowledgeable skepticism. I'm not as skeptic as you are, but I value how your job helps me a lot to take positions in regards to the most important subject in my life.

Always great, Learned a lot from this one that I wasnt expecting ! @Bart I do love your audio lectures and audiobooks but really prefer the ones that you read, your enthusiasm is palpable in the reading and adds a great texture that reminds me of a classic Greek theologian performing his theories to an audience, enthralled. Although haven't heard much talk about the Armadillo Grill lately :)

Another superb podcast! Thank you both for taking the time to keep delivering, week after week after week. xx

Love these episodes! Also does Megan come up with these question herself? And if so, they are absolutely brilliant and impressively on topic and discussion provoking!

@stylis666

Жыл бұрын

Yes. She is invested in learning, not in the outcome. That really helps with asking the right questions.

These episodes are essential for curious minds. Thank you both for doing them. Also, please understand that your comment section does not necessarily reflect the majority of your viewers who many times are not likely to post comments. What you do is valuable and resonates with people who have no axes to grind, no preconceived oxen to gore, and who hear what you have to say with wonder and gratitude and intellectual humility.

Great concise explanation of immaculate conception in the Q&A portion... It never quite made sense to me before!

Another excellent podcast! Boy do I wish I'd listened to it when I was a teenager / young adult rather being brainwashed. I thought the Roman Catholics were bad - spoon-feeding through their priests - but the evangelicals are little better with the fiction of "Here's the bible - just read" but you still have their 'ordained' pastors and teachers who tell you how to read it. My dream was to become a Bible translator with Wycliffe (WBT) but now I see how blind I was. The Bible is like part of a 1000 piece jigsaw puzzle - missing all the culture, textual history, redactions (editing) and human bias. Most people end up with a very incomplete and twisted picture. And evangelicals will insist that the by is perfect and self-consist.... But in truth it is far from that. Thank you, Professor Bart Ehrman for opening our eyes to the bigger picture.

@jeffryphillipsburns

Жыл бұрын

I don’t understand comments like these. The “brainwashing” should have been easy to see through without the aid of Biblical scholarship.

@craigfairweather3401

Жыл бұрын

@@jeffryphillipsburns Like most proverbial frogs in gradually boiling water. Most don't jump out?

Paul: Sin is a powerful cosmic force that controls the world. Augustine: Sin is contained in the balls.

@cochetah4339

10 ай бұрын

Evil inclination runs amuck! without attention to the soul and spirit the heart will not change as narcissistic hence postmodernism as today. The reins were there but freedom has boundaries...we choose evil inclination hence judgement...if choose good inclination to direct freewill then you will accept the reward spiritual elevation of soul. Look up: Introduction to the Purpose of Man in the World. NLE Morasha Syllabus. OLAMI Resources.

It's so sad to have such interesting conversations filled with comments from theists who ignore everything said to revert to making unfounded faith-based arguments or pick and choose unrelated verses completely out of their original writer's context to defend whatever random part of their theology has been developed entirely by misinterpreting texts. You guys are so weird.

@nutyyyy

8 ай бұрын

Or people who come with a massive dissertation on how everything is a giant conspiracy or taken from some other story or tradition (which absolutely there are influences from all sorts of ancient traditions), but it often comes across like ancient aliens or UFO nuts. It's a real shame. Most of them don't seem to pay any attention to the content of the video at all.

"No loaves and fishes for the people until they get jobs" -Jesus

@user-gk9lg5sp4y

Жыл бұрын

Republican Jesus

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

health care? who's your insurer?

@jonathancampbell586

8 ай бұрын

Really?!

Awesome episode!!

Thankyou Dr Ehrman, and Megan. On 'Love': if we examine how the 1st century Bible writers probably understood it we can see more consistency perhaps. The love that 1 John and ‘John’ is writing about, that is required for salvation according to that author’s system, is primarily a transactional love: of doing things, not necessarily an emotional love in the mind: of feeling things. It is like the author is saying in 1John 4:19 “He did something for us first, that is why we are doing something for Him now”. The author is apparently NOT saying “He felt a warm feeling towards us first, that is why we feel a warm feeling towards Him”. This is an ongoing relationship of helping and serving like the “reciprocal love” between a patron and client. The Great Patron does a great kindness, which he did not have to do, or he offers a kindness of assistance that the person chooses to accept, then that person becomes a client, who is expected to praise and be loyal and of some service to the patron. The NT writers, and some OT writers, use an analogy with family love to show the unusual extent of the obligations of God’s servants/children and of the promised care by their God/Father. But it is questionable whether the writers are expecting/demanding the kind of internal affectionate responses of the mind that close family members often have, when those writers speak of ‘love’. When the scripture speaks of loving God with all their mind, it is obeying God with all the thoughts not feeling an inner glow of affection. On love between believers, they are again speaking of ACTIONS that are like the actions of close family members or very close friends. In practice, after the action might come the feeling and the feeling help sustain the action. - Dr. G. Craig Fairweather.

I think Bart would look good with blue hair.

@PT-kk8dp

Жыл бұрын

@ChatGPT Yellow hair like Bart Simpson. Sadly you would get the Ukrainian flag

Thank you, I have read the damn book and can't figure out why Christians think their god is all about love. I don't think these people actually even read the book

@asynchronicity

Жыл бұрын

It’s reminiscent of the “love” of a father figure who is controlling, cruel, narcissistic, and of course supremely emotionally unavailable.

@Jaryism

11 ай бұрын

No offense, if you don't think a God that is willing to engage with his creation providing moral laws to get them closer to "the good", and even come into our little MineCraft universe "in the flesh" to die for our sins, if that isn't a God who cares let's see you do it... live a selfless, perfect life helping the poor and sick, and die in self-sacrifice for the greater good of people. Btw the fact that you refer to the Bible as just some "book" is a giveaway you have no idea the overall emphasis of the creation, the fall/paradise lost, to the restored covenant with a select ppl to be the lantern of the world, divided kingdom and promised redemption, death & resurrection, pentecost, and paradise found and new creation in Revelation. There's a promised salvation that although we might suffer in this life.. salvation will await us in the end if we stay true to his word. What hope do you have from an atheist/Materialist world view? You suffer... you die, this is your only life and it isn't fair, but that's it. Again, there's at least hope from the Christian worldview, if God doesn't exist there's no purpose to anything and nothing waiting for you when you become dirt just oblivion. But again, if that's all there is to our conscious experience and reality so be it, good luck.

Salaam to you and your families❤️ Love from South Africa 🇿🇦

Can’t wait for the book 📖 😊

I'm guessing that those Old Testament passages where God commands and blesses that His favorite people take the land from the heathens (and even at times exterminate them) were very encouraging to the devout Christians who followed that example with the indigenous peoples from the Americas.

Much like Spinal Tap, Revelation is God's wrath turned up to 11. 😁

@kencreten7308

Жыл бұрын

haha! But... this goes to 11.

@pappapiccolino9572

Жыл бұрын

@@kencreten7308 Yes, there's a good reason it is such a well known, well loved and really classic scene.

The similarities between Gaza and Jericho seem clear.

Can’t wait to buy his books

loved this episode. Bart really lays out what Jesus taught about loving your neighbor. Not just believing that Jesus is divine.Thanks guys.

@Aliali-vc3pk

3 ай бұрын

Where is the proof that you crucified God is divine 😅

Excellent, informative video.

great again

Love you both!

I was stunned by your welcomedly blunt summary at 29min-32:30 of the video confirming my own emerging impression of the horrific discrepancy in the 'love/retribution' qualities of the God of the Old Testament and Jesus and also those same qualities of the Jesus of the 4 Gospels and the Jesus of the book of Revelation. Like you I solemnly shook my head at the onerous task I now face in deciding whether Jesus and the God of the Old Testament are worthy of my continued worship. Thank you so much for your honest and accurate scholarliness in this critical matter.

@dawnemile7499

5 ай бұрын

Bart is too biased against the Book of Revelation to give an objective survey of it. For example, Jesus said "Narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading to life and few are the ones entering in, whereas broad and spacious is the road leading to destruction and many are the ones on it.". So the destruction in Revelation has been spoken about before. Yet Bart still holds on to his modern American paradigm that everyone can be forgiven.

@bloodgrss

2 ай бұрын

No, he says no such thing. He is actually very concise about this bloodthirsty book

Totally agree. Makes no sense. An Omnibenevolent being shouldn’t just love all people but all beings.

@ThetennisDr

6 ай бұрын

Hitler? And all the murder rs??? Think!

@nylaway7170

6 ай бұрын

@@ThetennisDr Yes. BY DEFINITION.

Fascinating discussion, thank you! Megan asked good questions, as always. Bart is very eloquent in clarifying how Jesus's morality (as portrayed in the synoptic gospels) is very different than what you see in Revelation. I also appreciated the discussion near the end of how Jesus didn't believe in a traditional hell.

It is understood that the immaculate conception of Mary was necessary to prevent original sin from Jesus. What I didn't realize, was that God performed a miracle for Anna to prevent the sin from passing on to Mary. This begs the question, why go through all the effort to perform the miracle on Jesus's grandmother and not hold out the miracle for Mary?

@jacuz169

8 ай бұрын

The"virgin" and the "virgin birth" notions as presented in the Infancy Narratives are fictitious, and are theological devices used by the authors.

Though Revelation was contested and was touch and go for awhile if it would make it in...The fact is it did. And many early church leaders/fathers thought Revelation fit just fine with the rest of the Bible and the rest of the NT. You can see this type of violence foreshadowed at times in the NT and by Jesus himself in verses like Matt 10:14-15. Other examples were discussed in the comments of the previous video. And for one of the most extensive scholarly works ever done on violence in the NT see: The Bad Jesus the ethics of NT ethics by Dr. Hector Avalos.

@TheDanEdwards

Жыл бұрын

".The fact is it did" - not for all churches.

@Arven8

Жыл бұрын

Good point, though I do think Bart is right that the Jesus of Revelation is a lot harsher and meaner than the Jesus of the synoptics. Imo, Jesus of the synoptics was *mostly* about love and helping the unfortunate, with a dash of terror (e.g., God will destroy you if you don't straighten up), an occasional cult-leader-like statement (e.g., the one about hating your family), and some bad advice, whereas the Jesus of Revelation is mostly Big Bad Jesus, come to kick your ass.

Dr Bart my name sake u got so much wealth of knowledge.

3:55 Surprised he didn't use that as an opportunity to say a little about apophatic vs. cataphatic theology, which addresses that very issue.

I understand that the majority of the bishops deciding on which books to include in the Bible did want Revelation included. Could you comment on this.

@busyb8676

Жыл бұрын

Correction on my reply .The majority of the bishops did not want Revelations included.

@nutyyyy

8 ай бұрын

​@@busyb8676It's kinda baffling that it was included at all. Seeing as it's referring to Rome and it's big issues with it's portrayal of god and Jesus.

Megan, beautiful shirt!

Great 👍

Thanks to Bart at 17:30, I now have Cake’s lyrics, “sheep go to heaven, goats go to Hell” in my head.

In revelation 2:6 Christ is said to hate the ACTIONS of the nicolatians not the people themselves

According to the general consensus of scholarship (even critical Christian scholars), YHWH was originally incorporated into the Canaanite pantheon as a son of the Canaanite high god El before inheriting the top spot in the pantheon and El's wife Athirat (Asherah) before religious reforms. If you want to see if El is fictional, just read his mythology in the Ugaritic/Canaanite texts. "I should add here that it is very clear from the grammar that the noun nachalah in v. 9 should be translated “inheritance.” *Yahweh receives Israel as his “inheritance” (nachalah), just as the other sons of El received their nations as their inheritance (nachal, v. 8).* With this verb, especially in the Hiphil, the object is always what is being given as an inheritance. Thus, Israel is given to Yahweh as his inheritance. ((Here I’m indebted to Dan McClellan.)) It would make no sense for Elyon to give himself an inheritance. Moreover, as I’ve argued elsewhere, it is not just the Gentile nations that are divided up according to the number of the sons of El. It is all of humankind, i.e., “the sons of Adam.” This clearly includes Israel. And the sons of Adam are not divided up according to the number of the sons of El, plus one (i.e., plus Elyon). They are divided up, according to the text, solely according to the number of the sons of El. *Thus, that Yahweh receives Israel as his inheritance makes Yahweh one of the sons of El mentioned in v. 8. Any other construal of the text would constitute its rewriting."* *"The Most Heiser: Yahweh and Elyon in Psalm 82 and Deuteronomy 32 - Religion at the Margins"* based on the *majority scholarly consensus.* (Written by Thom Stark who is a Christian) *"Michael Heiser: A Unique Species? - Religion at the Margins"* (A second response to Michael Heiser) *"Excerpt from “Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan” by John Day - Lehi's Library."* *"The Table of Nations: The Geography of the World in Genesis 10 - TheTorah.com"* (Excluding the short narrative on Nimrod (vv. 8-12), which appears to be a later addition, Genesis 10 contains *70* names of nations or cities, a number that was symbolic of totality. Similarly, the descendants of Jacob were *70* in number (Gen 46:37; Exod 1:5), *as were the sons of the supreme Canaanite god El, with whom YHWH became equated.)* *"Mark Smith: Yahweh as El’s Son & Yahweh’s Ascendency - Lehi's Library"* (Mark Smith is a Catholic) *"02 | December | 2009 | Daniel O. McClellan - Psalm 82"* (Daniel McClellan is a Mormon) *"Elohim | Daniel O. McClellan"* (Refer to the article "Angels and Demons (and Michael Heiser)") *"God's Wife Edited Out of the Bible - Almost."* (Pay attention to whose wife Asherah (Athirat) is in the Ugaritic/Canaanite texts and how she became the wife of YHWH/Yahweh) *"Yahweh's Divorce from the Goddess Asherah in the Garden of Eden - Mythology Matters."* *"Married Deities: Asherah and Yahweh in Early Israelite Religion - Yahweh Elohim."* *"Asherah, God's Wife in Ancient Israel. Part IV - theyellowdart"* *"The Gates of Ishtar - El, was the original god of the bible."* *"The Gates of Ishtar - Anath in the Elephantine Papyri"* (It appears in addition to Asherah (Athirat) being the consort of Yahweh it also appears some Israelites also viewed the Canaanite goddess Anat(h) as Yahweh's consort) *"Canaanite Religion - New World Encyclopedia"* (Refer to the section "Relationship to Biblical Religion") *"The Syncretization of Yahweh and El : reddit/AcademicBiblical"* (For a good summary of all of the above articles) Watch Professor Christine Hayes who lectures on the Hebrew Bible at Yale University. Watch lecture 2 from 40:40 to 41:50 minutes, lecture 7 from 30:00 minutes onwards, lecture 8 from 12:00 to 17:30 minutes and lecture 12 from 27:40 minutes onwards. Watch *"Pagan Origins of Judaism"* by Sigalius Myricantur and read the description in the video to see the scholarship the video is based on. Watch *"How Monotheism Evolved"* by Sigalius Myricantur and watch up to at least 21:40. Watch *"Atheism - A History of God (The Polytheistic Origins of Christianity and Judaism)"* (By a former theist) Watch *"The Origins of Yahweh"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica.

@steveclark4018

Жыл бұрын

Excellent. I've read John Day's book, Mark Smith, Listened to Christine Hayes, etc also Hector Avalos...you've done a great job compiling these sources. “I conclude, therefore, that El and Yahweh were originally distinct deities that became amalgamated.” John Day “El Shaddai was worshipped as a God even we might say before they even know about Yahweh” Mark Smith Mark Smith: kzread.info/dash/bejne/nGt70rKBqbqqnKg.html

@epicofatrahasis3775

Жыл бұрын

@Steve Clark Thank you for that. And thank you for providing the link to Mark Smith. I'll check it out.

@Purwapada

Жыл бұрын

interesting!

Man, his explanation about how natural sin became a thing left me amazed. The development of ideas that we have inherited can be so interesting and insane.

@a5cent

Жыл бұрын

Question everything. Tradition and inheritance have always been terrible reasons to accept anything as truthful.

If Mary was born without a sin nature, then what was even the point of Jesus' birth? As one without sin, Mary could have been the atonement. The resurrection is not the atonement for sin, but the death. Instead of Jesus God could have just talked through a prophet and Mary could have died for our sins. The prophet could have even performed the resurrection. What is even the point of Jesus if there is someone else with no sin?

@jeffryphillipsburns

Жыл бұрын

But Mary was a woman and Christianity is paternalistic. In any case, Mary’s Immaculate Conception was retroactive. First there was this preacher who was crucified. Only afterward were the circumstances of his birth constructed (narratively).

@Kainis80

Жыл бұрын

@@jeffryphillipsburns the whole story of Jesus was "constructed narratively" to pacify the jews in Rome after Titus went :scorched earth" across the Levant.

Great episode! interestingly there is a distinction between 'spirit' (ruach) and 'individual soul' (nephesh). So maybe the nephesh is related to plato's world of perfect forms, and the spirit is the breath of god? (like atman being a part of the universal spirit/brahman in hinduism, (amazingly is related to the word 'atmosphere' in english - which again relates to breath)

@craigfairweather3401

Жыл бұрын

Dr James Tabor has an excellent video on KZread on "Five concepts" in which he explains "nephesh chayim", translated in the King James version as "living soul", as "breather that lives", a term uses for other animals too, beside 'Adam' , and hence not implying any eternal spirit at all. Identical presentation to Dr Ehrman.

@Purwapada

Жыл бұрын

@@craigfairweather3401 oh interesting

The most interesting thing about the Battle of Jericho, and Joshua as a whole, is that archaeologically, it never happened. The authors looked around the cities where they lived sometime in the first millennium BC, saw ruins in various places, and wrote legends weaving those ruins into their ancestors' origin story. The assorted atrocities were entirely invented, basically to "glorify" how powerful their religion was.

@craigfairweather3401

Жыл бұрын

The most vicious laws in Leviticus and some in Deuteronomy are believed to have been invented and added just after the Exile to give the priests more terror power. Priests filled a vacuums of power as the aristocracy had been decimated by the Babylonian Exile or refused to leave Babylonia and the Governors under the Persians, apart from the (eunuch) Nehemiah, were politically weak.

Hola puede ser que se traduzca al español? Gracias

We'll never know.

Oh! This Revelation sounds like ''Main Kampf''

Very useful insights. All fit into place. Bible is a minefield.

Yeah, in talking about salvation most of these denominations seem only interested in John of the four gospels.

I'm a Theist and by no means an expert in either the Old or New Testaments, but I recall in my youth the first time I read the Apocalypse, after having read the Gospel of John, how nightmarish it was. It seemed to me to be a psychotic document originating not from Truth but from the darkness of the human psyche and I couldn't see, nor could ever quite believe since, that it was written by the same John who wrote the Gospel. Only in the unlikely (and perhaps completely implausible) event that John experienced some sort of mental breakdown. I tend to disfavour apocalyptic- judgment second coming ideas/scenarios in favour of ideas, such as those of Teilhard de Chardin, where mankind is edging towards some sort of "Omega Point" fulfillment and attainment of God in the distant future. This is the sense I have (but I could be wrong and if a second coming should occur in my lifetime I'll probably be shaking in my boots like a good many others : ) ). Although I somehow doubt it, it would be interesting to know if any ancient documents canonical or otherwise contain any inkling that could be interpreted along de Chardin's ideas.

I just wanna know, is Megan Mod Victorian or Mod Steampunk, or is there a different thing now that I don't know about?

@jackfrosterton4135

Жыл бұрын

Youre asking the Big Questions

@stylis666

Жыл бұрын

Megan is victorian steampunk today and I love it! And it makes me super happy someone noticed it and commented about it, so thank you! 💜

Yes

When Jesus says that a person that says it is Corban to his father or mother, he has cursed his father or mother. This is a death penalty offense, as Jesus himself does points out. So in the gospels Jesus teaches that there are commandments that if disobeyed can result in death under the law of which Jesus approves. Paul says if a person refuses to take care of poor members of his family he has denied the faith and is worse than an infidel. The difference is that in the gospels God's purpose is that men repent. In the book of Revelation, the judgment is God's final judgment. There is no repentance. We are not God and we all have not been given individual judgment over other men. We are simply given to be an example to the world of belief in God.

@Kainis80

Жыл бұрын

it is man's nature to judge his surroundings, which include other people. Christ absolutely judged others and christians are literally calling themselves "christ-like", so it is also for them to judge others just as others are judging them ("they will know you by your fruits"). That is part of that "being an example". One cannot argue that only God can judge yet claim to follow that god, without judging themselves.

Revelation had already started seeming to me to be related to Yahweh of the OT. Evangelicals commonly say things like "with all the chaos today, where are we in the book of Revelation?". Can't quite understand Revelation...

what a waste of time to try and "decode" revelation - after 2000+ years you would think people would be smart enough to give up.

@russellmiles2861

Жыл бұрын

because it is convient ideology of state control and power over women.

@nickmansfield1

Жыл бұрын

It's been largely decoded already, not by the likes of B. Ehrman though. The Protestant Reformation decoded the major aspects on Rome although it was Matthew Poole who published the best explanation for the 7 kings (5 in John's time). Much of the rest is largely explained and has even taken place in recent times. As I stated to another person on here who has not studied with great diligence: So Isa.47 and Rev.18 with their references to the pharmakaia and the prominent ones, and the push to a singular international digital currency to restrict your ability to buy or sell in Rev.13, these have no basis in reality to you? Nor does the defeat of the Vandals, the final Arian horn, giving rise to the Dark Ages; Isa.60, Dan.7, Rev.13, 17, being the sign to the Protestant Reformation herald any relevance to you? What about the one-eyed False Shepherd whom the Satanists worship, Zech.11, 2Thess.2, Rev.13, 16, 19-20, are you unaware that Agenda 2030 is all about the preparations for his advent? Or King David's curse upon Israel, Ps.89, 137, 2Sam.23, when he predicted the destruction of the 1st & 2nd Temples, and the death of The-Messiah? Let alone the signs of old rediscovered by the late Ron Wyatt from Turkey to the Red Sea.

@510tuber

9 ай бұрын

@@nickmansfield1 You're not very bright, huh?

@nickmansfield1

9 ай бұрын

@@510tuber Wow! That was your 5 seconds of fame. What a legacy.

Recently, some scholars have proposed that the growth of ‘christian’ groups in the Roman Empire in spite of its Jewish cultural foreignness and persecution and prejudice was because initiates and members experienced ‘acts’ associated with caring from, effectively, strangers across class, gender, status, wealth and ethnic divides. Real feelings of mutual affection might then develop between individuals. I wonder if the relatively slow growth of some ‘Christian’ denominations in so many places is partly through congregations having less experience of an overriding emphasis on ‘acts of caring’, in fact massive failures to act in ways like those who care. Also, many modern governments have increasingly legislated a more ‘caring’ society facilitating more professional services, compared to any other period in history. When ‘John’ writes that “God is love” the context shows it is NOT a generalized emotional love towards everyone in the world, in every age and place regardless, of what they are doing. The overriding ethos of the Christian-communities-that-John-approves-of is supposed to be an ethos of doing things for people as if they were close family members. This is an ethos he says they learned from Jesus as a revelation what God is like towards them, the believers. To the author God loves “the world” (John 3:15-17) primarily in the sense of doing something that is theoretically available to “all” people (ethnic groups, classes, positions, genders), provision of ‘the gospel’ tied up with His son’s life and death. It does not entail loving care, to the author, unless they become 'believers', in the congregation, in his view. The author thinks that “punishing” opponents of believers, as in Revelation, is an aspect of God’s love (help) for the believers.

Your hair is a miracle. Dig it! Informative as always!

I think about Sumerian maybe every year or so... not that I know a lick of it.

Reminds me of a comedy skit I used to fantasy cast with some theater friends for fun. The premise was Jesus smoking weed in God's basement like That 70's show but with famous dead historical figures as his friends like Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure. The rest of the cast was pretty fluid but God was set as John Malchovich and Robin Williams as the voices of God you only ever hear yelling down the basement stairs. John for Fire and Brimstone God, Robin for lovey happy God and Jesus making Jokes about his Dad's bipolar disorder.

Her glasses frames are EPIC!! where are they from?

@shekina9473

Жыл бұрын

🤣

Pastor Ehrman, in the masjid of Chapel Hill, preaches again on Shabbat. Bart, you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.

But in the synoptics He does say that if you give away your possessions now, you will be rewarded with riches in the Kingdom of God.

@user-gk9lg5sp4y

Жыл бұрын

Amazing how many Preachers seem to not want to risk it

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

he says lots of inconsistent things

Comment section full of theists i see.

When the Elohist uses the title Elohim it means Sons of God (singular God). When the Yahwist uses the title Elohim it means gods/goddesses (plural gods/goddesses).

Bart. It doesn’t say Jesus his people. It says he hates the deeds of the nicolaitabs.

Professor Ehrman - given the different picture of Revelation, do you consider that Christianity would have evolved markedly differently than it had?

@jeffryphillipsburns

Жыл бұрын

“Would have” if what?

They are.

Super irrelevant, but the host has a very interesting look!!! Kudos.

I used to have beliefs similar to the typical evangelical. But I now reject the idea that every word of the bible is the literal word of God. So I dont base too much of my beliefs on individual bible verses, especially since I cant read it in the original language with the original grammar and cultural context it was written. Instead I think its important to step back and look at the story of Jesus life ss a whole. Jesus never condemned the lowly sinner. He called out the teachers of the law for using their power to abuse people. Jesus was clearly on a mission to relieve the Jewish people from religious oppression. And his emphasis on what we needed to change was not so much our lifestyle but instead how we treat others. How we treat others is the only thing that really matters.

@brian.jrmontoya3227

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Whether you believe Jesus to be the son of god, a prophet, or just a simple man. The philosophy of “love thy neighbor” should be a universally agreed upon subject.

@shekina9473

Жыл бұрын

No

@potiphajerenyenje6870

6 ай бұрын

Are you going to start your own religion or church?

@davekingrey1009

6 ай бұрын

@@potiphajerenyenje6870 I dont need to start a religion or church. What I said is the simplest most basic form of Christianity and I'm sure there are some people who already preach it that way. It's just not the mainstream evangelical version that is widely taught across the US.

Its hard to tell, but if I want it to be true, then it is.

The story of the couple that sold their house and was “smited” right in front of Peter. when I first read that in the Bible I pictured Peter as a mafia boss and they were “offed”

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

Oh the shark, babe, has such teeth, dear And it shows them pearly white...

Of course if you take multiple small pieces of literature by different writers and compile it into a bigger book there will be contradictions. Even different Bibles have additional books like the Catholic Bibles. The Ethiopian Bible includes the book of Enoch as canon where angels or watchers come to earth and have sex with human women that birth giants who teach humans to make weapons and war. Read some of the non canon books that didn’t make the Final Cut for even more of wtf myths and legends.

The ethos of Revelation: If your enemy is hungry, give him food to eat; if he is thirsty, give him water to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head, and the Lord will reward you. Proverbs 25:21-22 (also Romans 12:20)

If Christians follow Jesus and Jesus was a Jew, why don't Christians attend synagogues and practice the same religion Jesus did?

@michaelanderson4849

Жыл бұрын

Because, for some reason, the teachings of a dude called Saul of Tarsus is apparently the shit.

@yvonnegordon1952

Жыл бұрын

Jesus is the KING of the Jews, meaning he is as God is in the world; This is what is said of David : He will be as God .As God means, God will completely EXPRESS HIMSELF through this MAN, which is the LAST Adam gathered together again, and this MAN will be the Messiah through the heart (circumcised heart is the Jew): No heart circumcision, no Jew:

@fieldsleeper

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelanderson4849 If you take away Paul's Epistles, all that would be left is Messianic Judaism.

@michaelanderson4849

Жыл бұрын

@@yvonnegordon1952 Naah! According to the jews, Jeezbuz is most certainly not the king. And they ought to know since its their own mythology.

@michaelanderson4849

Жыл бұрын

@@fieldsleeper Not really. There are some serious deviations from ortodox judaism in the gospels.

Mark Wallis explains this confusion better than anyone i have ever heard, period!!!!! That the Yahweh was one of many negative extra terrestrials.

About the Revelation, I don't remember if you mention the greatly different Greek used in the Revelation compared to the Gospels.%

@lionelorji4688

2 ай бұрын

He's mentioned it in previous podcasts. He said that the book of Revelation is written in terrible Greek. Bad grammar, etc.