As a kid in Yorkshire growing up in Thatchers Britain was horrendous to me, Blair n Brown was a breath of fresh air . 14 years of this shower of @$$holes I cannot begin to compare the differences.

@brianferguson7840

5 күн бұрын

Under the Blair/Brown government. Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 1960s. Introduction of the national minimum wage. Increased police numbers by 14,000 Cut overall crime by 32%. Record levels of literacy and numeracy not reached since. Doubled funding for every pupil in England. Wrote off 100% of debt owed by poorest countries. Increased NHS staff by 85,000 more nurses and 32,000 more doctors. Devolved power to Scottish Parliament and Welsh assembly. Introduced statutary paternity leave of two weeks. Record number of students in higher education. In Labour's last year of government, gave 828 million pounds of gift aid to charities (this exceeds the total amount given by the Conservatives in their entire period in office) Raised child benefit by 26%. Delivered 2,200 'Sure Start' children's centers. Introduced the Equality and Human Rights Commission. Pensioner's winter fuel payments of £200 or £300. The only European government on course to achieve Kyoto targets (at that time). 26,000 new teachers . All full time workers given the right to 24 days payed holiday. A million pensioners and 600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty. Introduced child tax credits. Introduced civil partnerships. Over 1 million social housing homes brought up to standard. Inpatient waiting lists down by over 500,000 since 1997 (NHS waiting lists have never dropped under Conservative administration Provided the cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since before the industrial revolution. Free TV licences for the over 75s. Banned Fox hunting, Fur farming and cosmetic testing on animals. Free on demand breast screening for women 50 - 60 Free bus travel for the over 60s. Labour's New Deal helped nearly 1.8 million people into work. Free Eye tests for the over 60s. Number of apprenticeships more than doubled. Free entry to national museums and galleries. Overseas aid budget doubled. Heart disease deaths down by 150,000. And cancer deaths by 50,000. Long term youth unemployment cut by 75%.

@andrewtomlinson5237

4 күн бұрын

@@brianferguson7840 Don't forget "Building Schools for the Future" a programme that would have had every school in the country brought up to code by either rennovation or rebuilding. The Tories got rid of that within a month of entering office, and now people are shocked when schools are falling down. It was cut to fund... a massive Tax cut.

Thinking about the young man who is 17 and will spend his formative years under a Labour Govt, I’m 73 and the relief of being able to spend my final years under a Labour Govt is so deep it’s tactile. Peace of mind in later years is so vital to mental health.

@woodencreatures

4 күн бұрын

I was thinking the same thing myself

@brendaparsons2026

4 күн бұрын

I feel exactly the same.

I lived through Thatcher's Britain in the NW of England, and went to a "bog-standard" comprehensive school. I could never vote Tory because I remember what she did and the pain she caused. Oh, and then I did a maths degree at Oxford, which I suppose makes me one of "Oxbridge elite", and my opinion worthless. Yay! One of the main things I did learn at Oxford was to get rid of my inbuilt bias against public school students. I tailored it to just those who were complete ####s - like the Bullingdon club...

@ProsecutorZekrom

5 күн бұрын

The Bullingdon club were a right bunch of maniacs. Good thing none of them ever got into positions of power or anything

@geonsilberlicht4632

5 күн бұрын

Sir, not to denigrate your experiences; but stubbornly sticking to voting/not voting for one party for reasons that lie decades ago is the opposite of wise, as a matter of fact, it is the very reason that so many people do vote tory - they always have. Political parties can and do change. In the US, the democrats were the ones who tried to deny black people the vote, now it is the other way around, full 180 turn between those parties. Always use your vote to stop / bring about the worst / best result you can anticipate from what you see right now. I don't imagine that I will see the day that the tories become a force for good, but it could theoretically happen. Hell, they don't even need to be a force for good to be the optimal choice in first past the post. If ever the likely winner of a seat is some far-left equivalent to Nigel Farage who would sabotage Labour in the same way Farage sapotaged the tories AND in that same seat the tactical vote was the Tory candidate, you SHOULD vote tory to prevent that. I am not suggesting that this or any scenario where the Tories are the right choice is likely, but if it ever does happen, don't let consistency pressure keep you from voting for the optimal result.

@angussoutter7824

5 күн бұрын

Unfortunately the worthless people who got paid degrees never outshine those who work their socks of for it, and history shows that those who are the brightest usually do the most good

@angussoutter7824

5 күн бұрын

@@geonsilberlicht4632political parties only ever change through pressure the UK is mostly a centrist country falling either side of left or right which is mostly the happy ground, it’s only when the lurch full blown left or right that people get peeved

@CloudhoundCoUk

4 күн бұрын

Well done for getting to Oxford. Your journey must have been a significant challenge.

Your analysis is the best available anywhere. I was reluctant to vote tactically because I had done so all my life without success. I gave it one more chance and the Lib Dems won. Although it hasn't affected the overall result, I am so glad to have a progressive MP.

@ptodd1306

5 күн бұрын

Well done! You helped send the Tories packing! 🎉

@bereal6590

4 күн бұрын

Well done Gary and thank you for being a part of change ✌✊

Our labour MP won against our long, long standing Con MP by just 600 votes. I do have to thank Reform voters for a large portion of their 8000 votes that made our new Labour MP possible. 😁

@scottyfive4319

5 күн бұрын

When you have to rely on a split vote like that you are on a sticky wicket, next time say no Reform or no Tory????

@VesiustheBoneCruncher

5 күн бұрын

This is my major concern. I watched all night. The number of seats where Reform enabled a Labour or Lib Dem victory is … staggering. I am incredibly concerned about the next election. Much still depends on what the Tories do in terms of leadership, but I don’t think they’re capable of putting up anything sane.

@jimbob-robob

5 күн бұрын

​@@VesiustheBoneCruncher Tories lasted 14 years and 4 million voted RefUK... I don't think sane matters anymore...

@ptodd1306

5 күн бұрын

🎉

@bereal6590

4 күн бұрын

Farage is manipulating this purposefully because he wants the uk to move further and further right. He learnt well from putin

You've played a blinder through the toughest of times for Us & for that, I can't thank you enough..Will you please take some time out for yourself & get yourself well....💜

The Worker's Party antics in Jess Phillips' seat was absolutely disgusting. Got nothing but love for Jess, doesn't matter that it was a tight win, there's no excuse for the behaviour that those thugs displayed.

@deehaytch8442

5 күн бұрын

she is horrible

@alisonwilson9749

4 күн бұрын

@@deehaytch8442 Why?

@deehaytch8442

4 күн бұрын

@@alisonwilson9749 just seems angry trying to play a victim while delivering nothing for her constituents.

@nickjones9867

4 күн бұрын

If she sees a political advantage, instead of doing her job and help in winning an election, she’ll “stab [you] in the front” She’s a piece of work. No excuse for her treatment though. Workers party can fuck right off into oblivion for that.

Brilliant Phil, lots to think about.

Farage may have become MP but I doubt whether he will put in the work to deliver for his constituents. He’s all about grandstanding and getting his name in the headlines

@snipelite94

5 күн бұрын

On GBNews and QT more than actually working for his constituents, I reckon

@Ladynipchick2

5 күн бұрын

Can't believe he'll be able to resist going to Trump land in September.

@nigelhopkinson6614

5 күн бұрын

I would put Money on Far rage disappearing come October November

@DellaWilliams-vo3ez

5 күн бұрын

When I think of him (when not barfing) I imagine a rat in a humane trap. Scurrying about making a lot of noise but hugely ineffective.

@Hession0Drasha

4 күн бұрын

Because his party are blaming immigration for everything, he'll probably use that as an excuse, as to why the bins stop getting collected. "The immigrants are throwing away too much trash" or something like that.

My 70 (a hairdresser and still working although ckains she cannot afford to retire) neighbour now says all politicans are the same. Four years ago she was in love with tetchy Rishi.

@bereal6590

4 күн бұрын

They're so stupid. I think it's some kind of mental problem to protect them from the unfairness of life and how better they could have had it. My mother's friends in her 80's said she wouldn't vote labour "because they'll let them all in", my mother agrees with her. Unfortunately I blew my stack! The same idiots that gave us brexit and Boris! Tying us all to this now vile isle. I would like to live abroad later on, no chance of that now. I needed medical tests in France, now no chance. Some boomers really didn't give a Fk about their kids and grandkids

Have a look at Torsten Bell, new Labour MP who ran an excellent economics thinktank and has spent YEARS working out why the UK is poorer than it should be AND what we could do about it. He said hes fed up of drawing the charts now, and wants to move them

Do you think Farage will turn up to many PMQ when he realises that he won’t get to do many questions

@tomsheppard378

5 күн бұрын

@@sharronfurlong7760 he will be leading the opposition

@markoconnell2458

5 күн бұрын

Farage will be dreaming about his Maiden speech in the HOC

@DavisJ-ln6fw

5 күн бұрын

@@tomsheppard378 No he won't he will make a great deal of noise on GB news and will totally fade into the background within 5 months in the HOC when people realize he has nothing to say but the same tired lines. The man has no solutions he just wants to complain about the problems because that's all he's ever done. The HOC needs builders not bitchers.

@benedictcowell6547

5 күн бұрын

I want to take his opportunity to correct a misapprehension under which the people of Clacton appear to be labouring It was not, repeat not the thesis of Galileo That the Sun took a detour from its usual course down the alimentary canal of Nigel Farage to emerge bloody but unbowed in his underpants, nor that when he donned the same underpants it caused an eclipse of the Sun.. I make this point dispassionately because, a critic, as I am, of the Inquisition in the Seventeenth Century even so they were not as credulous as critics would argue, and that even in Seventeenth Century Italy reason had asserted itself sufficiently as not to believe in absurdity, I cannot say the same for the people of Clacton who seem to cherish that afore said illusion and that the Sun manifested itself at Mr Farage's sarth end

@DavisJ-ln6fw

5 күн бұрын

@@markoconnell2458 No he will bluster a bunch of bullshit and quickly fade into irrelevance Nigel Farage is an agent of chaos and a provocateur who has no clue how to actually do anything constructive his who whole thing will be empty disruption which will quickly grow tiresome to even the conservatives the man no staying power or substance when he actually has to contribute to solution to a problem rather than simply bitch about it.

I was 17 when Labour last won from opposition. Things did get better

@brianferguson7840

5 күн бұрын

Under the Blair/Brown government. Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 1960s. Introduction of the national minimum wage. Increased police numbers by 14,000 Cut overall crime by 32%. Record levels of literacy and numeracy not reached since. Doubled funding for every pupil in England. Wrote off 100% of debt owed by poorest countries. Increased NHS staff by 85,000 more nurses and 32,000 more doctors. Devolved power to Scottish Parliament and Welsh assembly. Introduced statutary paternity leave of two weeks. Record number of students in higher education. In Labour's last year of government, gave 828 million pounds of gift aid to charities (this exceeds the total amount given by the Conservatives in their entire period in office) Raised child benefit by 26%. Delivered 2,200 'Sure Start' children's centers. Introduced the Equality and Human Rights Commission. Pensioner's winter fuel payments of £200 or £300. The only European government on course to achieve Kyoto targets (at that time). 26,000 new teachers . All full time workers given the right to 24 days payed holiday. A million pensioners and 600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty. Introduced child tax credits. Introduced civil partnerships. Over 1 million social housing homes brought up to standard. Inpatient waiting lists down by over 500,000 since 1997 (NHS waiting lists have never dropped under Conservative administration Provided the cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since before the industrial revolution. Free TV licences for the over 75s. Banned Fox hunting, Fur farming and cosmetic testing on animals. Free on demand breast screening for women 50 - 60 Free bus travel for the over 60s. Labour's New Deal helped nearly 1.8 million people into work. Free Eye tests for the over 60s. Number of apprenticeships more than doubled. Free entry to national museums and galleries. Overseas aid budget doubled. Heart disease deaths down by 150,000. And cancer deaths by 50,000. Long term youth unemployment cut by 75%.

@deehaytch8442

5 күн бұрын

they got better until they didnt, then it went to total shit, then the Tories had to mop up, then things got better, then it went to shit again, now Keir is presented as the messiah and will bring joy to our lives. almost like some cycle we cant break

@deehaytch8442

5 күн бұрын

@@brianferguson7840 all lies

@MiningForPies

5 күн бұрын

@@deehaytch8442 the economic crash was over in 2010. Had the conservatives continued with Labours economic policy, we would not have had austerity and our economy would have grown.

@deehaytch8442

4 күн бұрын

@@MiningForPies well thats another if. That policy did not work for any other country in the world...so safe to assume it would not for Labour

I took my nose-peg and voted Labour However, I was almost tempted by other parties There was even a socialist party, by gum After a few thoughts, I stuck to the plan and voted for the non-Cons party that polled the highest

The reason in 2019 I didn't vote Corbyn was Labour was too far left. Labour has moved nearer the Centre! Tobias Ellwood said today that the Tories need to move more to the Centre rather than chase the Refuk plc - a neo-fascist business! I support PR. I hoped that Lib Dems would be 2nd. Refuk is a xenophobic racist business. NOT a Party! The media gives too much air time for Farage and Refuk plc. Never vote for Refuk!

@mementomori7825

5 күн бұрын

Don't get it, labour is supposed to be a left wing party. Not Tory light.

@scottyfive4319

5 күн бұрын

Sorry Liebour have moved well right of centre as it was in Thatcher's day. They are further to the right than Thatcher and further right than Blair.

@snipelite94

5 күн бұрын

Starmer was found to be actually LESS popular than Corbyn at election time. People were voting to get the tories out. That's it.

@scottyfive4319

5 күн бұрын

@@mementomori7825 They are far more than Tory light, they are well into the blue. As the Tories are well into the Dark Dark blue.

@richardh8082

5 күн бұрын

@@scottyfive4319 You again? WHY the fk are you here? Bot? Russian? Chinese? (or just stupid). Far left cannot get into power, and far-right must not! If anyone has to take the center I'd rather it was Labour - you need to think before posting crap

Starmer et al at least seem somewhat honest. The kind of folks that don't go into politics solely to enrich themselves. I have *tentative* hope.

In terms of whether Lab get another term. Listen. Hope for the best, plan for the worst. I am staggered by the amount of seats where Reform spiked the Tory vote and enabled a Lab/LibDem candidate, even in seats where there was clear tactical voting between LibDems and Labs. Hope that the Tories go right. That will provide room for LibDem expansion. A second term government nearly never gets back with an increased majority. The likelihood is that no matter how well Labour performs in government, they will do less well in the election next time. We need PR. We have to get this done. There is a progressive majority.

Hi Phil, I wonder what your thoughts are about two directors of a limited company and three of their ‘employees’ sitting in Parliament? Surely they now need to actually form a political party?

@MiningForPies

5 күн бұрын

I hate Farage, but nothing in the parliamentary rules bans in. It’s no more against the rules than having a whip telling someone how to vote (actually illegal)

I really enjoyed that, absolutely love all those numbers put to good use!

Good on you Phil and LABOUR. From a LABOR voter aged 85 and a LABOR voter since I was 18. Melbourne Australia. Your work has made all British lives better, and you've been it over the long haul. A Pilot. p.s. When I work in the garden, I am doing "labour''.p.p.s. The Liberals in Australia are a far right wing party.

@deehaytch8442

5 күн бұрын

Labour are socialists, to be far right you need to be a socialist first, then nationalist.

Thank you for your breakdowns and explanations

People reacted to the polls. As it became obvious Farage had split the right, many on the left realised that gave them the freedom to vote green without risking a Tory victory. As Tory support went down , so did labour support. The gap remained around 20%.

Turnout played almost as big a part as tactical voting. Over the last two years, I've knocked on far more doors in my constituency, Chelsea and Fulham, and knew that many Tories simply weren't going to vote. Johnson, Truss, and Sunak were all seen as incompetent. Turnout was 12% down from 2019.

@alisonwilson9749

4 күн бұрын

Thanks for all your hard work!

I think our biggest problem now is Boris and farage picking away to try to make Starmer fail it matters not if you don't want labour in it's a fact and if it doesn't work then we all suffer so we should unite behind him obviously some of the ambitions are a little optimistic but the end result is what we all need to work well

@ADifferentBias

5 күн бұрын

They have no power to make Starmer fail. Starmer didn't win on a platform of personality politics like they did (for obvious reasons). He won on a platform of delivering. Neither Johnson nor Farage can stop him delivering, it's in his hands.

I really hate the media they say nothing about FPTP when the Tories are smashing it in elections but now they change their tune when it suits. They totally ignore the fact many voters were voting tactically they're like a big bunch of Tory crybabies. It's so disrespectful to all those who went out and voted on Thursday.

@jimstirling7223

4 күн бұрын

No matter which party wins a massive majority of seats on a small share of the vote FPTP is a deeply flawed and undemocratic system. Phil has mentioned FPTP many times when the Tories were the beneficiaries . Given it is only the Tories and Labour who benefit most from this despite calls from their members in support of PR I will be shocked if Labour does anything about . Labour got slightly over 1/3 the share of the vote, yet got approaching 2/3rds of the seats. Much as I despise their politics reform still managed to get 14.3% of the vote yet only got only 5 seats when proportionately they would have had 90+. Though for me it beggars belief between them the Tories and reform received 1.2 million votes more than Labour with 38% of the vote vs Labours 33.7% .

Given it was only 60% turnout, I can't help wondering how many exhausted Labour voters just stayed at home believing their party had it sewn up. Which they did. But still...

Thatcher was a Monetarist disaster capitalist, modelling her policies on Milton Friedman's Chicago School of Economics and closely copying their first big experiment, Chile. See Jewish Canadian anti-Zionist journalist Naomi Klein's brilliant book on the subject "Disaster Capitalism". She deliberately ignored Bank of England advice not to raise interest rates, raising them massively. Allied to the second oil crisis, sparked by the Iranian Revolution, and North Sea oil coming on stream, this resulted in a devastating 40% loss of competitiveness in one year, which massively exacerbated the effects of a global recession.

@alisonwilson9749

4 күн бұрын

Friedman was an idiot. I was studying economics back then and it was clear at the time that his basic assumptions were wrong, not surprising his conclusions were nonsense.

Labour didn't get vote efficiency because they were smart campaigners, they got it because their opponents were fragmented. In Liz Truss' constituency for example, the votes for her, Labour and Reform were close. She even faced an ex-Conservative independent. Labour could not possibly have won had there not been these two other candidates. Furthermore, Labour did not target this seat in the election.

@ianworley8169

5 күн бұрын

Nonsense. My family live in that constituency and like many, many others, chose to vote Labour tactically as the Party most likely to oust Truss.

@nickd4310

4 күн бұрын

That is strategic voting, not vote efficiency. It is not the same thing as vote efficiency, which means allocating resources to marginal constituencies. As I pointed out, Labour did not target this constituency, i.e., they did not send extra resources there. incidentally, strategic voting also increased Labour's vote, because it was the party most likely to beat the Tories in most constituencies.

Wonderful presentation, one point i feel everybody is missing, i have spoken to quite a few people who said this, i not voting, reason photo ID, they also feel their voting intentions are being monitored.. they didn't have the correct information

@elizabethsproule5227

5 күн бұрын

Idiots. We have had ID in Northern Ireland for years now. It's not a problem.

Phil - will you look at the Swiss deal with the EU and is this deal in the main suitavle for the UK ?

@frankoneill5675

5 күн бұрын

It might be suitable for the UK, but it isn't suitable for the EU.

In the parliamentary constituency where I live labour did take the seat. But the Labour vote only grew to 18940 from 16552 in 2019. In 2019 the Tory got 29,000 thankfully 11355 switched to Reform UK in 2024. I cannot help but find it depressing that so many voters switched to a party campaigning for Thatcherism on Steroids after the hell of 14 years of Tory rule. This is sadly the pattern of so many seats. The risk is they will switch back in 2029

@brockit79

5 күн бұрын

Labour must pull it out of the bag over the next 5 years.

@nxu5107

5 күн бұрын

Reform helped Labour win this election. If Tories get to occupy the middle ground and Labour fail to appease the disgruntled, then they face another annihilation, thanks to the stupidity of some sections of voting British public.

@vb1816

5 күн бұрын

I have to believe that most people who voted reform were sending a message to tories, not expecting reform to get in. Media was all saying it would be a labour landslide, meaning some people didn't bother turning up as it was a foregone conclusion.

@scottyfive4319

5 күн бұрын

True in Scotland as well Liebour only gained about 80K votes it is thought mostly from Tories, although some SNP voters will have switched. The SNP lost because their vote did not turn up, not because Labour persuaded them to vote for them. They may have the seats and the majority but if they do not do very positive things in Scotland they very well may be toast at the next Holyrood election. Starmer has 18 months to make a BIG difference the status Quo just will not work.

@SheilaBloom.

5 күн бұрын

@@vb1816 Yes, of course, Reform voters were sending a message to the Tories & it was that they were not Tory enough. Also, in terms of the media people like to vote for the winner it encourages them to vote

There are 5 years - 3.2m votes went missing. Labour has to deliver or they could be out in 2029. The big question is whether Labour can make a big enough difference to bring back the "stay at homes" and get them to vote for "please carry on"

The best thing the Tories could do is take the post war consensus out of the bin Thatcher threw it in, read up on it and adopt it - or at least parts of it. You can't be a Conservative if the only thing you're bothered about conserving is the position of the party at the top of the heap and the income stream of your donors.

Thank you.

Sorry, I don't have time to watch the whole hour, but have you considered people felt comfortable that they didn't HAVE to vote labour to still get a labour majority. People felt comfortable based on the endless news cycle saying that "Labour are guaranteed to win" so they felt they could vote more inline with their actual values for Lib Debs (offering a promise of ceasefire calls) or Greens or Reform even (plenty of lefties do want to send a message the immigration needs to be put under control). If the news was saying it's a knifeedge, you'd have seen higher turnout and less fractional voting. Then the news media has the cheek to act surprised of a low turnout and low vote share.

What is the age profile of Reform? Is it similar to the Tories? Will they all die soon?

@Ladynipchick2

5 күн бұрын

I'd like to know this too.

@mickreaddin4979

5 күн бұрын

Many of the Tory core voters/membership switched to Reform(plc), so the answer to your final question is ... yes.

@alundavies1016

2 күн бұрын

@@mickreaddin4979I’ll just wait a bit then.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend 😂😂😱

If Labour can get on top of the boats,shorten waiting lifrs,improve housing .do something on child poverty there will be less ammunition for reform

@deehaytch8442

5 күн бұрын

exactly, fix the shit that is wrong, I voted reform, though I tend to vote for disrupters (or nob heads)

@jimstirling7223

4 күн бұрын

@@deehaytch8442 Or lying racists

Phil doesn’t eat his greens.. 😂

Labour regained my constituency thanks to the reform party taking thousands of votes from the tories and coming second

Ah well. Looks like my part of the North West has finally gotten a Labour MP. We've had to put up with Sir Graham Brady for the last 14 years. Probably longer as I can't remember the last time we had a labour MP.

It was an incredible ‘get the vote out mission’ by Labour in my constituency, which has turned from Tory to Labour possibly for the first time in history, but at least as far back as I can find on Wikipedia (2nd world war).

I am 72 years old and apart from Wilson never experienced socialism. Blair was a huge disappointment I hope Starmer is better.

Hello there, I was looking at Nigel Farage's seat of Clacton, even allowing for the fact that the boundaries of 2019 and 2024 are different, the percentage of votes for the Conservatives in 2019 was about 71%, and the combined Conservative + ReformUK in 2024 was also about 71%, however, of the latter 71%, ReformUK got roughly 65%, with the remaining 35% going to the Conservatives.So roughly one third of rusted on Tory voters Clacton decided against Farage . The Conservative candidate was once a local councillor, a well known Community Arts advocate, and has held Clacton for two elections, and has lived locally all his life. Nigel, on the other hand, is not a local, is unlikely to become a local, and therefore it is likely that, if he runs a good PR campaign between now and the next election, may well retake the seat for the Conservatives. Farage has a lot more to loose than the local Conservatives in Clacton, is in that particular seat, I think the Conservatives can re-enrgise and win back that particular seat. Time will tell.One thing that will not change is Farage remaining a grifter, and empty vessel who makes a lot of noise.

Oh dear Phil, The Tories were voted out, but nobody really wants Labour. It won't last. 😢

A while back I said on a comments section that Oxfordshire could lose all its Tory MPs, and it has! Just over the way in Berkshire BoJo’s old seat of Henley ( remember the boat photo-bombing by the LDs?), voted them out too! Shame he didn’t have the balls to stand.

Stop the Tories were wrong in Hinckley and Bosworth. They advocated Labour! Final Result: Tory: 17,000 Lib Dem: 11,500 Labour: 8,500

Silly question but now that Liz Truss, Simon Clarke, Moggie & Ranil Jayawardena have all lost their seats, has the Pop Con wing of the Tory party officially shirked off its mortal coil?

@alisonwilson9749

4 күн бұрын

renamed the 'not so popular now, are we?' party.

A fillet steak, long live the bourgeoisie 😂😂😂😂😂

Single Transferable Vote system in Australia

When you think of it, in a way, the Tories benefited from a form of tactical voting. Many non-Tory voters tactically gave Johnson their vote to get their “oven ready deal” without realizing the oven was broken beyond repair.

It would be interesting to question 2019 tory voters who didn't vote at all.

@PassiveAgressive319

5 күн бұрын

Disillusioned voters. I’m going to give Starmer a chance. So far I like what I’m hearing

Labour only got 5% more votes than the SNP in Scotland but picked up nearly all the seats.

@ADifferentBias

4 күн бұрын

In 2019, the SNP were kings of the efficient vote - way better than the Tories. This year, it's Labour (with only a slightly better seat efficiency than the SNP got in 2019). If people don't like this, and I certainly don't, then make electoral reform a priority.

I've probably misunderstood but my tactical vote didn't unseat the Tory up here in Scotland. Curses. Plan B. Hemlock brownies.

Labour should close Food banks by providing a universal basic income. At the very least end zero-hour contracts and introduce a real living wage these actions would disarm many populists and give 3% of the population some dignity. The Trussell Trust, an anti-poverty charity that operates a network of food banks across the UK, reported a 37% increase in the number of three-day emergency food parcels it distributed between 31 March 2022 and 1 April 2023, compared to the year before source Commons Libaray Parliament UK.

Under the Blair/Brown government. Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 1960s. Introduction of the national minimum wage. Increased police numbers by 14,000 Cut overall crime by 32%. Record levels of literacy and numeracy have not been reached since. Doubled funding for every pupil in England. Wrote off 100% of the debt owed by the poorest countries. Increased NHS staff by 85,000 more nurses and 32,000 more doctors. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament and Welsh Assembly. Introduced statutory paternity leave of two weeks. Record number of students in higher education. In Labour's last year of government, gave 828 million pounds of gift aid to charities (this exceeds the total amount given by the Conservatives in their entire period in office) Raised child benefit by 26%. Delivered 2,200 'Sure Start' children's centres. Introduced the Equality and Human Rights Commission. Pensioner's winter fuel payments of £200 or £300. The only European government on course to achieve Kyoto targets (at that time). 26,000 new teachers. All full-time workers are given the right to 24 days paid holiday. A million pensioners and 600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty. Introduced child tax credits. Introduced civil partnerships. Over 1 million social housing homes were brought up to standard. Inpatient waiting lists down by over 500,000 since 1997 (NHS waiting lists have never dropped under Conservative administration Provided the cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since before the Industrial Revolution. Free TV licences for those over 75. Banned Fox hunting, Fur farming and cosmetic testing on animals. Free on-demand breast screening for women 50 - 60 Free bus travel for the over 60s. Labour's New Deal helped nearly 1.8 million people to work. Free Eye tests for those over 60. Number of apprenticeships more than doubled. Free entry to national museums and galleries. The overseas aid budget doubled. Heart disease deaths are down by 150,000. And cancer deaths by 50,000. Long-term youth unemployment cut by 75%.

As for those that bang on about the share of the vote Peston, Mason and Kuenssberg your darling Boris was elected with less than 24% of the vote share and only delivered an 80 seat majority. 🤔

Does reform actually being in parliament make them a party now or are still a ltd company

Phil, a reoffending metric would not get Tory support. The reason they are repeat offenders.

FPTP is probably excellent for horse racing - but useless as an electoral system. Here PR is better and much more democratic.

I see Beanus in the thumbnail?

What rubbish. The prisons re overcrowded because of the weightless sentences handed out. We all see it in local papers anger a judges for handing out months for sentences where we expect years. To reduce the prison population we need to make the fear of getting caught far exceed the value of the crime. Triple sentencing periods and watch the minor crime rate drop.

Public Schools should be required to have at least 50% pupils from deprived backgrounds. The fee would be the same as the state comprehensive school receives. Elton was set up by Henry VII for the poor. They were expected to go to Cambridge another institution set up by Henry VII. This would upset the Tories and Tory client media. This could be presented as levelling up. However, external monitoring would be required as bullying of state school pupils may become a serious issue.

This guy tried is best to make Labour share of the vote look good

If UK had proportional representation the election would have a very different result.

@alisonwilson9749

4 күн бұрын

It's also impossible to say in what way, as many people would have voted differently.

We had constituencies redrawn on the principle that as far as possible a vote should be worth the same in each constituency only to get a ridiculous result that flies in the face of that ideal due to first past the post! Never been a fan of proportional representation because of increased scope for backstairs deals and loss of constituency link but things have to change after this!

@elizabethsproule5227

5 күн бұрын

I see you only want that when the result isn't favourable to you.

@russellbradley454

5 күн бұрын

The size of a Constituency would not be affected by PR it would mean the numbers of votes would be split proportionally according to preference vote system use. The change in consituency size is due to population numbers in different areas change over years and change in population.

@redemptivepete

5 күн бұрын

​@@elizabethsproule5227 The result suited me! I'm no Tory!!!

Why didn’t you include SNP when tallying the left vote?

Vote efficiency is basically doing the sums for "imagine we had PR" - though we are looking at the difference between a fair allocation (ie PR equal votes per seat) and what we got. FPTP is so complex and Labour did so well with their targetting. Under PR Labour would have only got 212 seats and there would have needed to be a minority government. They still beat the Tories but the coalition of progressives beat the coalition of reactionaries. The Labour win is unstable and relies on Reform splitting the Tory vote. I believe the fact Reform didnt stand down was Farages audition for a hostile takeover of the Tories.

Could we now maybe change the background image to something a bit less anxiety inducing now the tories have been booted from power

@alisonwilson9749

4 күн бұрын

Something sunny would be nice. Did you see the Jonathan Pie one with the cartoon tweety bird on his shoulder? I loved it. Especially when the sun came out and all the colours got brighter....

Vote efficiency.....is there any coincidence that one of the key backroom labour election strategists Morgan McSweeney is from a family in Ireland that was heavily involved with the Irish political party Fine Gael, who have a reputation for having the most vote efficient system in the Irish political world, squeezing the maximum number of seats from their vote share, through very diciplined vote management across constituencies. A feature of a multiparty political ecosystem where Fine Gael were always chasing the historically more popular Fianna Fail political party in a PR system. In the old 2 dominant party FPTP system, vote efficiency didn't matter that much, but if UK politics remains as fractured as seen in this election, expect this approach to matter more even with FPTP.

Dear Phil who likes to talk about politics. I think it is interesting. Almost like Labour and the Lib Dems had an agreement not to compete in certain seats? Not a formal one because that would be hard to push through. This has had a double benefit for Labour. Not only winning their seats but also stopping the tories where the LibDems won.

It is shortsighted to judge political reform by either your own political tendencies, or the current political situation. The political landscape is always shifting. The disaster we have all experienced for the last 14 years is entirely due to our election system. The Conservatives have never actually had a democratic mandate. It was our electoral system that allowed them to behave so frustratingly irresponsibly. So now the coin has flipped. And although only a third of the electorate has voted Labour, we can look forward to five years of unchallengeable domination. Including all the whacky fringe policies that even die hard Labour supporters balk at. So, while it may be true that proportional representation has its' own inherent problems, such as difficulty in achieving unanimously agreed policies. I believe that if we are to have a democracy, let's make it as democratic as possible. If we are to have a dictatorship, let's not pretend it is democratic. Philisophically, a democratic system is supposed to make policy implementation difficult. How that works in practice, is that unless a policy is universally acceptable, it cannot be implemented. Policies that exclusively benefit the super rich, or the bananas of the extreme left wing, simply can not exist. And only that, can acheive any semblance of national unity. Anyone who believes that a party that achieves 33% of the popular vote, can have 66% of governmental control, while a party that achieves 15% of the popular vote can end up with 5 seats, is walking a very dangerous path. Here is the reality of the democratic vote, and how it has been warped by First-Past-The-Post : Labour votes cast : 33.7% = 412 seats. Conservative : 23.7% = 121 seats Reform : 14.3% = 5 seats LibDem : 12.2% = 72 seats Note that by popular vote, the three main opposition parties do not allow a Labour landslide (52% / 33%). However, with FPTP Labour has more than double the combined seats of the main opposition parties (198 seats / 412 seats). Let's put that into clearer perspective. The party that achieved 33% of the popular vote got 412 seats. The parties that achieved 52% of the popular vote got 198 seats. Who can argue that is not undemocratic ... in the extreme. And yet it is exactly that situation that will mean that the governing party will not go anywhere near electoral reform. But will have voiced tacit support when they too were the victims. To ask the current administration to hold a referendum regarding electoral reform, will be about as successful as asking turkeys to vote for Christmas. In conclusion, let's take an impartial view of our voting system, regardless of your politics. Because by implication, next time it could be Labour that achieves the same percentage of the popular vote ... and ends up with 12 seats !

52.7% and 38% of less than 60% of registered voters.

The Tories tore themselves apart so its a non issue.

Welsh communities still haven't recovered from Thatcher. It noticeably got better during the early 2000s but geography prevents a lot of major infrastructure and investment. I am genuinely concerned the older ex-mining communities will be taken in by Reform as it gives them someone to direct their misery and blame

So I saw that disgraced US KZreadr Vaush said this was a terrible result for Labour and it proves that Fromage will likely be PM in 5 years. But his lack of understanding of our political system shines through, also a lack of understanding of Labour's strategy and policy approach. Already we are seeing Labour take a different approach to the Tories on Gaza for example, within days, a lot of people were saying they would be just as bad. This election has been very eye opening, it was looking very depressing from a left-wing perspective for a while, but there is an aspect of 4D chess to it that hasn't been understood by a lot of leftists. Vaush though has sort of outed himself for a while now as a man with a big ego and a lot of confidence that seemingly hides his lack of knowledge in international politics.

i 2019 there were more votes for other parties than the Conservatives but we still went with the decision .Reform should stop complaining what went, went down

Comparing number of votes received between elections doesn’t seem meaningful. Percentage of the vote makes more sense, I would think.

@Phill, question, Couldn't the remaining Con MP's cause labour some big problems if the keep running labour bills out of time? I believe its call fillibusting??? If so, what can labour do about it?

@johncook802

5 күн бұрын

WWE have time limits on debates, and with plus four hundred seats in HoC, Votes for policy will pass easily. Tories are a spent force for next five years, fighting reform.

The only way Starmer is going to have the resources to make a difference is to remove trade barriers with the EU. He says he won't rejoin but may be able to get the same effect by agreeing free movement. Which would also help with immigration. I doubt it will happen, though.

I can't understand the mentality of people. My reasons where I ever(and I wouldn't ever!) To vote tory would be they're liars and conmerchants!!integrity, honour, values and morals are the most important for me in leaders!

In Romsey and Southampton North the terrible callous Tory Nokes still managed to get 39.8% of the vote instead of the predicted 31%, and despite the Lib Dem candidate Cooper getting 35.4% it wasn’t enough. Labour’s share of the vote went down from a predicted 25% to 9% because voters never shifted to Labour: they were not convinced by Starmer’s bland boring offer. But the Tory vote never went away: the 54.2% Nokes won in 2019 was split between the Tories and Reform, with reform getting 11.4%. Only 3% left the far-right loonies, with the Greens benefiting, and the turnout only fell by 5%. Still, the prediction that the Lib Dems were the challengers was correct, with Labour falling by 2% from last time and the Lib Dems rising by 2%. Not much tactically voting there, so amazingly there must be many comfortable voters in Hampshire who are quite happy to stick with the Tories despite their diabolical record, and even happier to vote Reform as a protest vote, and blame immigrants for the state of the country instead of the incompetent Tories.

@alisonwilson9749

4 күн бұрын

A pity more Labour voters didn't vote tactically, and the reform voters didn't also vote to oust the tory if they wanted them 'taught a lesson'.

I want a more left wing government so went Greens

I'd be really interested to see how demographic shifts since the pandemic influenced the outcome, especially in the south where there has been a huge movement of people out of London and into the surrounding areas.

is Labour filling all the top jobs with "corporate" friends and donors?...

@ADifferentBias

5 күн бұрын

One corporate appointment from someone who believes we send too many people to prison and looked after his workers during lockdown. No progressive is anything other than delighted at Timpson's appointment

@deehaytch8442

4 күн бұрын

@@ADifferentBias yeah I know he employs ex-convicts to cut your spare house keys. but... would only a far right reform nutter be slightly confused that this is just another job for a donor? Can I be progressive and not agree with you?

Let's face it if you have right-wing values. You can't afford to put trust at the top of your list 😂😂

Yaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

You want the perp who are dangerous kept in prison to keep the public safe, for the others you need a better way because they'd be released at some point anyway. Drugs is an obvious one and mental health, both can't be felt with differently

The word may be voter efficacy, not efficency

Fat Les reference!!!!!!

Strange though this may sound, Reform should be encouraged. They split the centre-right and right wing vote between themselves and the Tories. In contrast the centre left, and left wing votes have normally gone to Labour, Lib-Dems, Plaid, SNP and Greeens. No wonder the Tories won more elections than Labour. Unfortunately KZread doesn't allow graphics in comments, but imagine a bell-shaped curve showing voters' intentions from left to right. In the past the Tories got all the votes to the right of the centre and those to the left were distributed between 5 different parties. The Tories had no competition for the right wing of the populace, so they won more often than they were due. (As an aside I was appalled to hear Mel Stride on R4 this morning describe them as "The Natural Party of Government." Not once, but twice in the interview. Such unwarranted arrogance needs to be destroyed,) A third right wing party would also help level the playing field in favour of a more democratic distribution of left and right wing wins in elections.

We need to know what Labour are achieving. Max has turned into a 'I don't trust Starmer' channel. His continual back stabbing of Starmer indicates a serious malaise.

@mickreaddin4979

5 күн бұрын

For many months now we have been constantly told by Phil and (tanski, Hughes etc) others that, "Labour will be different when they get power" whenever we ponted out that there was little difference between the two. Now we shall see, won't we? I wonder who will be the first - among those named - to offer excuses when the change bugger all?

You should be an advisor analyst to the labour party, earn some more money. You do a very good job.

what is labours position on weed?

Did anyone notice the Tories got less votes in 2024? And they would have won more seats under proportional representation? So should the Tories start backing PR now? Well, probably yes.

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Farage won't last the full term.

@bav114

5 күн бұрын

God I hope you’re right 🙏🏻

@Ladynipchick2

5 күн бұрын

Suspect you're right.

@Bryan-yx2rt

5 күн бұрын

He'll be over here kissing Trump's behind

Will Rishi quit as an MP as well as leader? I can't see him caring about hanging around in a constituency he never cared about anyway when he wants to be in California. . Could Labour win a by-election there?

Max is so anti Starmer it’s laughable. Today, in a post about Starmer scrapping the Rwanda scheme, he criticised Starmer for saying Rwanda wasn’t a deterrent. In a stretch, he said that suggests Starmer might want to look for other deterrents to asylum seekers. Rather than accepting the plain interpretation of Starmer criticising the policy, searching for hidden meanings..

@GeorgeGeorgeOnly

5 күн бұрын

Exuse me, please, JD. "Max"?

@johnrussell3961

5 күн бұрын

He never liked it when the new home sectary said the smugglers would just smuggle those who failed asylum checks at the start of the safe routes. Safe routes are only for those who pass the asylum checks, not for those who fail.

@davidpryle3935

5 күн бұрын

Max is from the Republic of Ireland and lives in Italy. What he is doing commenting on British politics is beyond me. The only thing I can think of is perhaps he’s making money out of it.

@glyngreen538

5 күн бұрын

I liked some of his anti Tory videos but have also been surprised and disappointed to pick up on his anti Starmer leanings. He also mentioned in a livestream the other day he is convinced Starmer will fail to improve things and we replaced by a different PM within 2 years, which seems like a crazy opinion to me. He is also keen for Corbyn to be let back into the party which would be self destructive.

@davidpryle3935

5 күн бұрын

@@glyngreen538 He is a big James O’Brien fan apparently. Its difficult to know what these type of commentators will do now that the Tories are out. He spends a lot of time commenting on Nigel Farrage. These type of people actually seem to need one another. I suspect its all to do with making money from KZread. I mean what could this Max character really know about a country he’s not from, and never lived in.

"Kemi Badenoch is an engineer"... 😄😄😄🤣😂 Funniest joke of the day.