“Turn to the terror and say: I m this open loving space of awareness in which you appear. You can rage all you like and you can stay for as long as you wish. You can be as intense as you like. You are completely welcome within me”- Rupert Spira ❤❤

@samm7166

9 ай бұрын

An incredible quote

@mtmind6560

9 ай бұрын

Wow.

@mikelisteral7863

9 ай бұрын

terror is just another word for fear

@cd-sq8bi

9 ай бұрын

I don't know if he has experienced this but if you know this terror and fear... Its the Most difficult Thing to accept because you have the impression of dying... Alone and abandonend. How can you embrace that?

@ho5286

9 ай бұрын

​@cd-sq8bi You Can, Welcome it, Accept it....flow.....

I agree with Rupert. But there is an other way. I had excactly this terror on my second very intense mushroom trip 30 years ago, too. It was so chaotic, so threatening, so overwhelming, so huge, that I was shure I would die or become insane forever, if I would give into it. So I (ego- identification) resisted and it was the worst experience one can imagine. It felt like an eternal fight against getting lost in a totally crazy realm without time and space. (means for eternity) This would have been very traumatic for me too, but fortunately (🙏🙏🙏) at some point the "I" was defeated, "I" hadn't the power to fight anymore. "It" said: "Ok, whatever will follow... death, insanity,... it's ok. I give up and let (myself) go. Instantly there was pure light, bliss, love, there was only this cristall clear pure consciousness... that I can only describe as God. A bit later it felt "This is home!" It was so immense but so familiar at he same time, and more true that everything else. That's why I am soo grateful for the mushrooms, pushing ego off the cliff. It wouldn't have had the courage to jump itself. Since then I understand what is meant with the saying: "You'll never fall deeper as into God's hand." It dissolved a lot of doubt and fear. So I'd recommend: TRUST, and take all your courage and when it happens again, let (yourself) go. Something unimaginable beautiful waits to reveal itself. Your body won't die, even if it totally feels this way.

@squamish4244

6 ай бұрын

You had chemical help, however. Rupert's problem, a chronic one with neo-Advaita teachers, is that his teachings are woefully inadequate in providing powerful enough tools for nearly everyone to get anywhere. The success rate for your kind of experience is like 1% with traditional methods. People bust their asses for 40 years in meditation and never get the results you got on one mushroom trip. And you have to be careful with psychedelics. My life fell apart after a terrifying trip 17 years ago, and letting go into the terror was massively complicated by an underlying psychiatric disorder. And here I am, all these years later, after multiple crashes and self-sabotage - which OCD does very well - and I am still struggling so fiercely with my 4th bout with existential terror and despair that I can barely eat and sleep. I would commit suicide if I thought that was a way out. My mind will not budge no matter how extreme the terror and how much I practice surrender. It just won't.

@sandrag8656

6 ай бұрын

​@@squamish4244 thank you very much for sharing your experiences. ❤ I totally agree. Not many gets these "results" by beeing on the traditional path (meditating etc.). because it's possible that ego identifiction claim every experience to be it's experience. It is not easy, maybe impossible, to totally let go of ego identification by willpower. And yes, psychedelics are NOT for everyone. There is danger too. With some conditions you should NOT take them. Ir's also important to be well prepared, (set & setting). And finally it depends how your mind interprets this (like every) experience afterwords. Even ego dissolution can be used by ego-structures to sustain or severely trouble itself. My comment was no recommendation for using psychedelics, allthough there is a huge potential. I feel with you and your struggle. That's very hard.... My prayers for helpful experiences insights and revelations. 🙏 Think inner child "work" can be helpful, too. Think one important thing is, not believing everything the mind tells.and to get comfortsble with not knowing. "Simply" trust. Because there are so many ways to get lost in concptions... Sending lots of love and hugs. ❤🫂

@sandrag8656

6 ай бұрын

​​@@squamish4244 Ruperts teachings don't help anyone to get anywhrere. That's litterally true. Because is's ego which want to get somewhere or away from something. Even to is's higher self or away from itself... Ruperts words are for those who are ready to drop beyond ego. (wrong words, but I lack better ones) Like psychedelics it's not for everyone. Or at least not yet... For some it might be neccesary to adress (heal) trauma and inner child first? If you are on this awakening path, I'd recommend watching videos and listening to audios of Adyashanti. He won't help to get over anxiety, but he is very clear, not strictly nondual, also includes the psyche and adresses struggeles on a more relatable way.

@garylake1497

2 ай бұрын

You cannot expect to treat psychological or emotional/existential difficulties with the hit-n-miss scatter gun approach of necking psychedelic drugs. Mind bending chemicals administered to a fragile vulnerable mind does not bode well for a favourable outcome, and even the experience is, by chance, enjoyable, it still can only be seen for what it is ; a drug induced hallucinatory experience. You haven’t seen God.

@davidkim2005

Ай бұрын

Beautifully put sandrag. I had a similar experience 3 nights ago sober, though I did not surrender. I woke up in the middle of the night, to very anxious energy. There was energy flowing throughout my body and it seemed to radiate from my chest. Whenever I focused on this chest area, the energy seemed to get bigger. It literally felt like if I gave into it, I was going to disappear. I was panicking. I kept fighting it. I thought about what would happen if this never goes away, scared I would go insane. Eventually it calmed down because I kept distracting myself lol. Looking back I was I had the courage to surrender to it, but man that existential terror is no joke.

Sounds like depersonalization too, which can be literal hell on earth. One day at a time - glad to see she looks like she's in a better place.

It's almost like decribing a big, big bully experience. A monster nightmare. Core would experience of the child? Much love and compassion to the lady.

Yes, dont fight it. This is common in spiritual awakening, and our natural animal fight or flight says run away so I dont die. But what is at risk of dying is what we want to let go of anyway

@1rocknroy

9 ай бұрын

Without laboring through the video I believe this is the point.

@odeholon4590

9 ай бұрын

Easier said than done.... body has its algorithms

@TheJooberjones

9 ай бұрын

@@odeholon4590 yes takes some time and practice and repeated failure to override the programming, but the brain is malleable

@odeholon4590

9 ай бұрын

@@TheJooberjones it is. I got myself into bodily malfunction called gen anxiety disorder, thinking about the void, the true nature if things etc.. gradual process tgat took a few years naturally. Of course there was no choice but let it happen. I now watch many satsangs with a smile. I once also wanted to gain something.... whereas it is abiut losing everything on the most intimate level. Yes, i still know my name and ssn, however there are periods of total depersonaluzation.... it is hard to explain

I think that since samadhi is like going back to our newborn mind, when we can't distinguish inside from outside, that dread is a replaying of the experience of an unresponsive mother as infants. That's why it's so visceral and unclear. You rediscover in the deepest way that noone will "see" you.

Oh my goodness, listening to this brought up so much emotion in my self❤️ Extreme Fear and terror have been companions of mine most of my life, especially in regard to my body…In contrast to this I have experienced the same amount of Extreme courage and confidence in other areas …. Letting go of the body can indeed bring extreme terror , but once faced and allowed to B, Another space arises that completely supports that surrender….. Making Room for what’s occurring,brings about instant relief and Awareness 🙏🏻…. I have been in this circumstance many times and this segment truly reminds me of how far I have come and how possible IAm🙏🏻…. Stay and surrender and feel /Be the Transformation as only you can🙏🏻❤️🌟🙏🏻👏

Had many such experiences she described, but eventually, with massive relaxation, it was possible to be the space where all was OK, despite the intensity...

Thank you to this woman and thank you, Rupert, I have been there to....thought it was over mow, but today I got so overwhealmed by both physical and psychlogical pain...Dont know what to do with myself...cant be in my appartement, get claustrofobic and going out in nature I have to go back and hvide away😢

@mikelisteral7863

9 ай бұрын

nature doesnt exist, everything is just consciousness

@andrewmc147

9 ай бұрын

Are you feeling better today Anabelle? ❤️

@annabellacrewe8858

9 ай бұрын

@@andrewmc147 Thank, well, the big storm is here in DK now and a bit dangerous to be in nature, and I am lonely., so rather low... but rehearse in the present moment, it helps me not to overthink ! Thank You for your consearn !🙏

I think I know this woman's experience. It's truly difficult to explain this. For me, it's the idea that I am somehow tearing myself apart in a type of metaphysical way. It's almost a peeling away of selfhood feeling. And for me, the terror comes from the idea that no one outside of me can save me from it.

@mikelisteral7863

9 ай бұрын

more illusions of the mind. just keep surrendering deeper, go beyond the mind

In another episode, he made this allegory. Imagine you have lots of neighbours and one in particular is very nasty and e easily triggers negative feelings. You wish he doesn't show up at your door. If he does, you would pretend not to be at home. That is resisting, and this will cause you suffering because that neighbour will keep coming. Imagine, instead, to welcome him, let him in, offer him some tea. You are open. No doors are locked. He will come in, less and less frequently and will leave much earlier than usual. In due course he won't appear at your doorstep any more.

@wandamackenzie144

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for posting 🙂

@FunkleGaff

9 ай бұрын

Hold on..... Why would the neighbour keep coming back to my door if I hide each time ? And if I let them in, give them tea, biscuits, warmth n generosity, they might come more often and eat my biscuits while I am forced to keep buying more tea and milk ! A few seconds of ignoring the door Vs potentially long regular visits from a nasty triggering neighbour that is costing me time and money in a climate where cost of living is stripping us bare. Terrible analogy Peace and love 🙏

@maxzagor6446

9 ай бұрын

@FunkleGaff the tea is not what he came for. He meant to trigger your anger and bother you. If you keep hiding he is affecting you, he won and he will keep bothering forever. The point is you should welcome him. He won't touch your tea nor your biscuits. But you should offer them to him.

@FunkleGaff

9 ай бұрын

@@maxzagor6446 well if this is the case.... The approach seems viable. 😁 God bless to all, including annoying visitors.

Had something like this happen when I was about 14 years old - long before I'd ever heard of non duality or oneness or true self - contemplating space, I felt like a vast void opened up for a split second and I felt an intense terror, as if I was about to be annihilated, and I drew back quickly - didn't recongnise what was happening, but I think I understand this now.

@menroflkuk

9 ай бұрын

The EXACT same thing happened to me!

@jackelinebadu9580

9 ай бұрын

Ça se passé à moi aussi

Very good. Courage is calling fear's bluff. If you allow fear to be as it is without defending against it, you will see for yourself that you can't be hurt by it

@Servant_of_1111

9 ай бұрын

🙏🙏🙏

@mikelisteral7863

9 ай бұрын

fear is a signal that the false identity in the mind is under threat by another part of the mind in other words: your insane

Thank you Rupert. Your teachings have helped change my life.

This is a gem, this video. Thank you.

What could also be helpful is Rumi's poem "The Guesthouse".

Deeply moved by this. What an incredibly bold and brave answer. Also the responses here in this thread reinforce the compassion and wisdom Rupert is pointing to. Thank you Rupert, and thanks to all the posters in this thread.❤

Very beautiful! Great guidance Rupert! Thanks for sharing.

Thank you Rupert! "Me" is so small. Spirit/I am/awareness is so huge!! And safe and loving. These feelings are like the little old man behind the curtain of "The Great Oz". Pull the curtain and see what's really there.

@mikelisteral7863

9 ай бұрын

the curtain is a layer of your mind you havent seen yet

Existential fear doesn’t just dissolve by opening your arms and telling it to do what it wants. He clearly has never been in its grip

Stooooooop resisting! You can't budge when you're in a complete state of resistance! Its a much lower vibrational state then where you want to BE! Nope is written all over this gentle sweet woman, but once she can start to say maybe, yes, definitely, I AM, things will begin to shift BIG!🥰👍

@mikelisteral7863

9 ай бұрын

resistance is the mind resisting another part of itself

@cattailer1077

9 ай бұрын

@@mikelisteral7863 👍🥰

This brought tears ❤

He’s right, in eastern mysticism, they suggest that you much die to be born, and I think that’s where she was at in her experience. I think she was holding on when she should’ve just let go and trust that she’ll be OK. Anyone who has had an intense psychedelic experience, has probably been to that point, and in my own experience of letting go, what transpired on the other side was nothing less than a miracle. My isolation as an individual was met with the unity of all, an “all is one and one is all,” experience. In other words, the experience was the true experience of God. Letting go is terrifying, but if you want to experience the eternal, letting go is essential.

losing the body is the best thing ever... i cant wait to go and leave all behind..💥 what is here in this realm that can give you happiness/ only the space in which you float and what you are, is eternal Bliss. I had several death experiences it made me yearn for leaving this earth, body and mind forever. 🔥Beyond that space is the real you, waiting for you //// 🙏🙏🙏💎💎💎actually only mind exists but we experience it as real... which is our illusion. we will wake up.

What amazing advice

LOVE THIS! ❤ SO HELPFUL! Allowing anything to appear......and disappear......staying open......not resisting...... just not identifying with what appears......knowing ourselves as the Self.....Vast, like the sky, any/all weather can appear

Great question, and as ever Rupert expertly guides us through with the wisdom of non duality

Whatever you resist persists. Whatever you resist owns you. Are you having an experience or is the experience having you? Instead, turn towards it with open arms. Everything wants to be loved.

I really like that he almost doesent charge money for the subscription which has so much content , also yt content is much and free

I really connect with this question and the reply given. Thank you!

The fact that it was happening within her IS proof that she can handle it…She is already doing so. A beautiful, raw and honest exchange between you both 🙏❤️

I experience what this woman describes and have always thought it to be a progression of my anxiety disorder! Never have thought it to be some aspect of awakening. At this very point in time I am experiencing periodic intestinal upsets that I cannot destinguish from a standard panic attack, that have actually led to an embarassing situation while on the road during my work (ended that day abruptly). I feel my ego is finding ever more devisive ways to make me shrivel up into a ball of fear. But to reiterate this womans descriptive words gave me chills of recognition. You don't know wether to scream, jump out of a window, or just simply tear yourself outa your bodily sense of existence. No one ever understands.

So beautiful💖

Thank you! 💜🦋💜

Wonderful

Beautiful

Thank you. Awesome 🌊

Amazing❤❤❤❤❤❤

Beautiful....a wonderful tender reminder.

Merci 🙏 Gratidão 🙏

Thank you.

Brilliant ❤

Nice 😊.

O divine one, how do you know what lesson I need when I need it? Thank you for your love!

Thank you 🙏 I’ll try. It seems very likely to work! You’re always so wise. This answer will help a lot of similar situations!

Turn towards the terror and say to it ”Thank you, I love you."

Or as K used to say "stay with it". The ego has to affirm itself within the chaos but not as foreign body.

That was real good. We just got to do it! 🎉

I've had exactly the same experiences since i was thirteen. In my late twenties i red books from Eckhart Tolle and Adyashanti and understood what those experiences were about. Around those times i had an awakening experience during meditation and it ended with such fear of death that every muscle on my body was trembling from terror and my heart was beating faster than i ever thought possible. I thought to myself "next time this comes, i'll just let it happen" but I haven't been able to do that.

@helvete_ingres4717

9 ай бұрын

that's what i've done every time. I mean some idea I have in my mind that being awakened is so great and so blissful or w/e can't be motivation enough to take that leap. I think the suffering on one side has to become greater than the fear of crossing to the other - and b/c most of us seek comfort and play strategies of staving off suffering until death, never really make the transition. Also for some reason I seem to have these peaking experiences in public and it sounds silly but there's inhibition related to the idea that who knows what I might do 'on the other side', I might strip naked and go crazy and later when I 'come back' be ashamed in front of the other bipedal apes or something lmao

@oolala53

9 ай бұрын

That’s so interesting. Apparently, Ramana Maharshi had an extremely intense experience around death, and that was the door to his liberation. I’ve never had anything like that happen during meditation, but I did take several ayahuasca trips, none of which seem to spark the experiences other people were talking about. I did have a few seconds of vision that I was observing and dark jungle and a jungle cat, maybe a black panther, was leaping into a clearing. It came to me that I was in the clearing, and the cat was pouncing on me. A knee-jerk reaction came up and the thought That I didn’t want that! division vanished. I prayed so hard for some kind of breakthrough, but it seems there is some thing in me. That’s in the way. I just keep trying to respect it because I don’t seem to be able to uproot it on my own.

@mikelisteral7863

9 ай бұрын

instincts keep the body alive. the mind is not needed for it

Ha ha! I bet everyone who is drawn to Mr. Rupert is familiar with various forms of existential terror! Wouldn't that be called "The Fear of God" in classical, monastic types of articulation? I like so much how he is able to remind us of our selves... articulating it in such a clear and contemporary manner in terms of "just awareness" and then the awareness of "thoughts, feelings, sensations and perceptions" as just other objects of awareness that produce that false egoic sense of a self...

@mkdy218

9 ай бұрын

Just an observation , but starting any reply with "Ha ha !" is never going to endear anybody . You silly sausage.

@nsbd90now

9 ай бұрын

@@mkdy218 Well, that was rather negative and hurtful. Given that I'm a cheeky monkey and not a silly sausage! lol!

@brianlittrell797

9 ай бұрын

You can only speak for yourself. You can't speak for everybody . You silly sausage.@@mkdy218

You can accept the fact that luck and entropy destroy the Law of Karma and at least that will let you discard your shame which will make the pains more bearable.

The lady expressed an element of cptsd i experience around humans

Wow

🙏🙏🙏

There is no separation between you and the terror. You are the terror. If you see that truth, oneness emerges. To say that you are the open space is to maintain the illusion of separation. There is no you. No self. No terror.

@joajoajb

9 ай бұрын

That's a much more honest way of understanding. Ignorance and dishonesty are at the root of all these religious, non-duality and new age spirituality movements. All these illusory self deceiving ideologies and beliefs have their roots in the old religious doctrines with a slight makeover in words and labels. Some ideas are easier to market and sell. Most of dogmatic ideas really have nothing to do with Reality or Existence as It really Is in Itself.

@mikelisteral7863

9 ай бұрын

"terror" is fear which is a painful vibration energy in and of consciousness. its the mind fighting itself

❤

The lady next to her is so over the mind/body drama of existential terror, she's napping peacefully 😂😅

Surrender yourself in the midst of this great terror, and the Kingdom of Heaven will open for you. In Zen Buddhism they call it SATORI. Rupert's advice is pointing to this. It is what happened to Sri Ramana Maharshi.

The last words.. I will try ! Sipra guru forget to add the punch line. ,Don't try Just UNDERSTAND ⚡🙏

You can never describe the real experience at that moment. So ask what you want. Asking is your old strategy of the mind. Not touching anything -which connects with your soul. You stay in the matrix. Ramana : Be quiet

@marekgaramond4198

9 ай бұрын

Very real.

🙏🙏🙏🌀🌌💫💞

Michelle:: It sounds like you are a person subject to panic attacks. If that is the case, you should seek medical attention. Also, the thoughts and feelings you describe evidence an intense existential depression. Actually, Rupert Spira is, in a way, giving you good advice with respect to the latter. We all need to embrace, and thus normalize, our fear of future non-existence. Once that knowledge (Grace is knowing that death and non-existence are normal and not to be feared.) is a part of us, that is fully accepted, we can then focus on the joy and meaning of being alive. There is no spirit world of separate consciousness involved here. It's just basic human psychology.

@jimosborne2

9 ай бұрын

Seek medical attention? I disagree if you’re suggesting she should see a psychiatrist and be placed on medication. Which is all medical doctors really do. Of course if you mean professionals like psychologists or trained therapists, by all means. This is my opinion and others are of course free to do as they see fit.

@liammeates6231

9 ай бұрын

Do you believe consciousness doesnt survive physical death? Just wasn't sure what you meant by non existence

@billmactiernan6304

9 ай бұрын

@@liammeates6231 That's exactly what I mean. The consciousness of the individual is a manifestation of the individual human brain. The development of what we call the conscious experience can be fully explained by the 3.5 billion years of life' evolution in the planet earth. There is no spirit world, there is no underlying eternal consciousness and those that propose the existence of such have the burden of proof. Sophism does not suffice.

Why are these people always so depressed lol this path is so light when you don't take it seriously. If you take this seriously you should take a long break