The answer always seems to be... embrace the fear. Welcome it. I had anxiety and panic attacks for a few years. It was terrible. I would fight it, hang on for dear life. Many times it felt like I was hanging on by a thread. But fighting and resisting fed it. When I finally learnt to just let go, embrace the fear... it just evaporated.

@stevedawson6979

2 жыл бұрын

May I suggest the video of Mr Spira, “Become interested in the experience of being aware”. I found it very helpful in my practice .

@NGEternal

2 жыл бұрын

Yea.. what I'm interpreting him to mean is that awareness by its nature accepts the fear. Hence, if you notice that you're not accepting the fear, or "arguing" with it, then that simply means you haven't dropped far enough back. If you drop all the way back, into awareness, this will unavoidably mean that the fear is welcome. Awareness is simply that which knows. No more no less. So of course there's no resistance.

@nicksharma8238

Жыл бұрын

How is the fear and anxiety now?

@flowwhite3192

Жыл бұрын

The moment you really really love fear as joyful energetic sensation inside you, that you would like to experience over and over again like your favorite meal it’s done 🌟 Works for all emotions…they need to be hugged consciously to be integrated as part of the experince of life. Otherwise life will generate more and more corresponding circumstances to give you the opportunity to do this…(and you will fall again and again out of awareness back into ego). 🍀

@gordong2457

9 ай бұрын

@@flowwhite3192that’s really interesting

“Hello fear, my old friend.”

Hearing the exchange of I love you like a breath of fresh air.

@RoYaL3796

2 жыл бұрын

Hearing this brought a huge smile to my face.

This conversation is a gem.

@mnaglik

11 ай бұрын

Second that!

Love the screensaver analogy

The first 60 seconds brought tears of joy to my eyes. That was an all-too-rare human experience that I felt deep inside me. Can't wait to see what the next 13 minutes bring. 😉

@brianswelding

2 жыл бұрын

Me too! When they said I love you, I just felt so much love and totally teared up. Beautiful ❤🙏

i was watching this video having a panic attack. I appreciate the questioner and of course Rupert for this conversation. I saw the fear pure for the first time in my life of having her as a unwanted friend. Its really just the feeling. And the story around it is just a way to distract. It could be everything. And which followed me my whole life and got stronger and stronger is the fear of the fear. Its the ultimative blocking system of survival of fear and the separate self. Much love to you

It seems that the fear of death/the fear of completely losing our sense of a separate self is the root of all fears.

@sng-

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely agree

@noonespecial4171

Жыл бұрын

Yes.

@cavallopazzo340

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I also came to this conclusion recently when reflecting.

Feel that I was led by the hand of God to listen to this on this day. So grateful to you both

Poor guy looked completely baffled at the end.

These kind of talks are very much needed.The real human being is the utmost beauty of existence. To find the goodness of life is what a human being is born for.

“The separate self is not itself an entity, it is the activity of seeking or resisting” thanks.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart 🙏🌞💛🌻🌈

How beautiful 😍. Welcome darkness, my friend.

Brazil lovingly awaits your presence, love you.

THANK YOU for being so pure, I'm crying within a minute and don't actually need to listen to anymore ❤❤

Fear is thought, thought is time. If you really see it then fear is gone

@MasculineIdeal

2 жыл бұрын

lol

My experience with OCD and GAD, i Have what medically is considered OCD, and the first time i ACTUALLY MEDITATED my sense of self completely collapsed and the fear came up like lighting... i was deep deep in the grips of OCD, debilitated out of work.. totally on the brink... since that day i have lived with the feeling of anxiety in my mind and body and since that day my exoerience of life drastically changed.... as my body and mind relaxed i deepened very very deep into awareness... i could feel all my nerves relaxing more and more everyday up into my face where there is still some slight tension and experience low level anxiety and depression... but i remain mindful always and always my mind is deepening into the present moment... If you have an anxiety disorder.... especially on the more debilitating side where it basically runs ur life... the good news is.. you can reach enlighnment/recovery.... the bad news is.... its gonna be quite excruciating for some time.. months.. or if really severe like mine.. years.... its gonna be a bizzare experience and its gonna suck.. however.... if you want to truly free yourself.. its absoultely doable Rupert said something i totally relate to.. he said for some our desires r stronger than r fear and other fear more than desire.... my sense of self and attachment was extremely high prior to my anxiety disorder.. i lived in my world of the future deeply.. constantly fatasizing and chasing the percived future... and then i started getting these what if thoughts... shooting thru my story.. they were spiratic... but over time... they became more and more common and vivid until eventually my mind was all but consumed by them.. what little was left of my sense of self easily fell away and the ugly head of fear, anxiety, and depression was left... such hell i been thru.... BUT also this taught me.. the buddah first noble truth.. life truly is SUFFURING.. however.. it was the buddist monk in that picture in vietnam who burned himseld alive... that picture made me realize i could shed this pain regardless of how painful.. because we are not our experience.. and we can transcend r body and mind ..... hope this all helps anyone who can relate

@FreedomisTruth

2 жыл бұрын

So nice 👍🙏❤️

@jodilynn8559

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much this helps. Peace to you and wishing you the best. The last two sentences really hit home. Thanks again.

@fouad4172

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you 🙏🏻

@rhondapelletier2141

2 жыл бұрын

This is SOOOOOOOOO MY LIFE😥

@monstersaint

2 жыл бұрын

You are my hero.

This is a wonderful way to face fear and explains how we are not a separate self with experiential knowledge.🙏🏼

@javiervillarreal5269

2 жыл бұрын

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wonderful - just, wonderful. Very good

Beautiful..."It's not your bottom line." Go to the sense of being, the feeling/ perception of I am.

What a lovely pair of blokes 🙏

"There is no separate self in the absence of seeking and resisting."

I’m from Brazil too!!! Thank you, Rupert! Obrigada, Theo!!! I knew you were from Brazil ☺️🙏🏻🙏🏻.

I have panic attacks each day and everyday I think this is the day my heart gives in, still though musn’t grumble

Thank you much with a SMILE! ❤

This is very helpful. Thank you 🙏 It goes a bit further than the why are you so afraid of the fear video which I have listened to multiple times. Bring it closer. What you resist persists. Ding!! The scary monster has no teeth 🙂

I love how he says if there's an attitude at all. This is assuming the person he's talking to has space, room to choose. Some people don't have opportunities like this. Growth never stops.

Thant was a terrific exchange. Thank you. I am heartened XX

Thanks Rupert for your explanation, and thanks Theo for your questions.

It's crazy. Your description is word for word just like mine about my own fear. Same primal fear, same intact fragrance since childhood but different objects all along life with the same "falling for it" trap. I love Rupert's answer which I feel echoes Thich Nhaht Hahn's. Surround the fear with mindfulness tenderly, like you would hold a baby in your arms. And what Yongei Mynigiur Rinpoche says about his own panic attacks, the funny story of how he pretended at first to welcome it with the background wish to get rid of it. How it finally went away when he finally totally accepted it. Thank you for sharing this exchange.

Rupert thanks for this! "There is no separate Self...it is the activity..." thanks for this understanding, and practice.❤

Fear is the screen saver. An automatic habit. Shine the brightness of awareness upon it. There is no screen without awareness. There is only awareness. Thank you dear Brazilian journeyer for your candid sharing of our universal yet unawakened experience. Thank you Rupert for your clear pointings. Much peace & awareness to all 💫😉💫

Yes. Thank you. Sending love and light

Douglas Hardings method of looking in has helped me"see"...a "place"... Christian calls the foot of the cross... Buddhist the ground of being 💖...my ego minds seems to constantly come of with "justified" reasons to hold back...if one doesn't"fly"it'll come up with a more "justifiable one...what a trickster... cunning baffling and powerful...but evaporated in presence 💖💖💖

Thank you from me in Melbourne too, Rupert As the questioner says, I love Rupert too: he has given me so very much. Such generosity, such goodness!

Authentic question, Very authentic answer!. Thank you Rupert!

Wonderful questions ❤

After having eaten of the fruit of the tree of good & evil in the mythological story of Adam (man) and Eve, Adam’s first words to God who asked him how he knew he was naked, was: “I heard you …and I was afraid”. Indeed, it seems to be the primary response of a separate consciousness.

@grahamthomas9319

2 жыл бұрын

Are you Lds?

It’s the desktop image/wallpaper I think more than the screensaver

False self, desiring self or egoic self is not an entity but an activity...a habit ! Wowwwww Thats such a sudden clash of lightening making things so clear and peaceful :) Thank you so much Rupert, love you :)

@anastrawberry8047

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, but my ego self is so angry to hear that...

So much love and clarity. Thank you Rupert again and again❤🙏🏽

Love you Rupert. Keep up the good work. One of our great spiritual leaders because he speaks absolute truth. Refreshing encouraging and truly inspirational. ✌️

Rupert and Theo, I can’t tell you how very helpful this is to me. Huge! Also, it brings to mind what A Course In Miracles says happens when we actually start getting somewhere (so to speak): “...the ego turns from suspiciousness to viscousness.” Thanks, gentlemen! 💕

Theo has spoken for me as well (no real separation) and I am so grateful!

I feel near-death experiences are a very good antidote to the fear of all fears - the fear of not existing. For they show we continue to exist, we are eternal, connected to each other and part of something greater. So, there is really nothing to fear, as so many NDErs reassure us.

@anastrawberry8047

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, but you keep existing as part of something greater but your separate self is lost, so if that’s the case it’s normal that our ego doesn’t want to lose that, right?

Wow, I fell into that hole. His anxious, somewhat pressured speech showed me my own anxiety. I went out and then went back in to listen. I pushed past the fear to find the screen and be more aware. The separate self is tricky. The moments of awareness are changing into something richer. Rupert says this is a good sign when we can observe the SS when it moves in. It feels like a set back but he shows us the growth. Thanks to you both for the dialogue.

Beautiful! This man is a earthly treasure. ♥️

This has been my "obstacle" too for a long time. And while I was listening to this, I felt this fear and panic slowly coming up but I couldn't fully let it in. But I have to say I feel some kind of sweetness I wasn't aware of before. But I also believe our character development and readiness to let go of the sense of separation are linked. I've done a lot of positive changes and I've strong desires to change my habits to better align with the truth, but there's still a lot to do. So it wouldn't even make sense from that point of view to be fully ready yet.

@anastrawberry8047

2 жыл бұрын

hello! it happen the same thing to me while I was listening to this. In a way I think is it normal that our ego self has the fear of losing its sense of a separate self existence...it’s like fighting against nature! If we have an ego in this dualistic world, is normal that the poor guy feels threatened when you meditate and become ONE with All that is.

What is helping me through these crazy times is kundalini yoga. Guided meditation with a great teacher in the comfort of my livingroom - cool! I'm told, the presence of fear is a sure sign that you are trusting in your own strength. Knowing that "The Ego Mind is the greatest "Con - Artist" of All! Keep this in mind 🙏❤✨

This is so incredibly helpful, thank you so much for answering my own burning question that never seems to resolves itself. This is exactly what happened to me when I studied A Course in Miracles and what continues to happen when I go deep into any spiritual practice - this same existential crisis which keeps tripping me up in such grave fear and madness that I have not been able to get beyond it. But to understand that this a bottom line of the separate self that need only be courageously welcomed and faced I feel there is hope for me in getting to the other side of it into peace. Much appreciated for this conversation so succinctly and deeply expressed ❤️

@tommisaaristo7105

2 жыл бұрын

I like how you said "fear and madness" because every time I also "get close" and start seeing the unwavering background of our experience, I get the feeling of horror of doom and quickly contract back and my mind starts going absolutely crazy.

I appreciate the statement that seeking and resisting are verbs which describe the action of the separate self. The separate self is not a thing, but rather by definition, the action of resisting and seeking. I continue to learn that acceptance is as a function of welcoming, not rejecting fear. And in that way the "scariness of fear" (fear itself?) and the anxiety/depression that comes by habit is dissipated. . Thank-you Robert, for myself and for the people I help!

Thank you so much dear Rupert 🙏🌞😃🌻🥰

Absolutely fascinating stuff! I think I've just found out something about myself and my anxiety concerns. Thank you Rupert!

Gj, bravo! I enjoyed this conversation, ty Rupert!

We have the illusion that we are separate individually in this earth, but actually we are one because we are deeply merged in the Field of All. This field is the one that brings things that emerge in our experiences because of our potencial.

So GOOD. Thanks Mr. Spira!

So so wonderful. The Seperate Self is not an Entity but the Very Activity of Seeking and Resisting. Fear is the very root of the Seperate Self. 🙏🙏

When I hear humans talk about these experiences it makes me think of Tillich's Courage to Be. And then I wonder what would have happen if Tillich got to meet a chat with Swami Vivekananda and how this could have advanced the level of consciousness of the west by generations. Of course these are just silly thoughts and everything is just as it needs to be. Love you guys!

Ah, such a sweet beginning of the conversation! I have so much respect and love for Rupert and spend more time with him/his teachings than any other person for almost a decade now.

Thank you so much to both of you. I rarely comment but this was very moving. Your candid conversation helps so much. I have fear that turns to anxiety. Have done some internal work and realized I have always had it as have had trauma from a very young age. I believe I had my first spiritual awakening 2012? And possibly a dark night In 2020, specifically the end of 2020. The fear and anxiety have become so loud, uncomfortable and frightening that I’ve had no other choice but to listen and heal. Now I know the fear has all been a gift for me to heal. Thank you RUPERT. You have become a loving support through my healing, process. I know now I am never alone….❤

@DilbagSingh-ox8li

2 жыл бұрын

Ah, god bless you, my warrior, love you jodi.

@jodilynn8559

2 жыл бұрын

@@DilbagSingh-ox8li love u too❤

@Mike_Lennox

Жыл бұрын

Have you considered developing your emotional capacity and skills to accurately identify, grow, respond, and encompass the cause of your fear?

Rupert must have alot of old friends. How blessed!

So profound.

Great exchange! Existential Fear, I've spent my whole life running from it....some of it was fun.

Beautiful and very helpful.

really enjoy rupert ... his knowledge his calming effect his perceptions

This was so so helpful. Thank you Theo, thank you Rupert.

Thank you, I felt so many similarities with what Theo was experiencing, including the childhood experience of realising you don't exist. It seems my screen-saver is sadness/despair rather than fear. I am trying to greet it and witness it, but it's a fine line between doing that and indulging it. Rupert if you have any help to give on this point that would be much appreciated.

So beautiful, thank you so much !

Thank You for sharing🙏 i needed to hear this. Timing is always perfect 🥰❤️

Thanks for this video 🙏🏻 Thanks Rupert!

This is gold

Wow!!! This really REALLY resonated with me DEEPLY. I had the same realization couple months back. It’s always a “what if” thought that triggers the worrying but at its core, for me it’s always the same exact fear: “I need to prove my worthiness or prove my salvation.”

this is very helpful ! thank you Rupert : )

OMG. Thank you Rupert. Perfect solution.

This happens to me when i expand. Its lightning fast! I worked it through only just yesterday to being rejected as a child but i could only do this after Ruperts Yoga meditation! Uncanny im just seeing this! Fantastic!

@Spirituallove2000AD

11 ай бұрын

I have been on the run from it for 38 years so now I must trust the source over the panic attack. I need to do more deconditioning yoga meditations of Ruperts before im going to be able to I think hmm?

So timely thank you.

you can't imaging how that helped me, I have been having this problem for the past week in such an intense way, and I didn't know how to deal with it. exactly as the question said. the synchronicity of my question these days, and this video poping in my home page is amazing. thanks to both of you . much of love

Thank you

I have been paying attention and redirecting the waterfall of mindless thoughts! It makes me smile when I caught myself on some sort of swirling around thought of one little thing that has nothing to do with me or with anything worth anything..always delighted to redirect those. If makes any sense…☺️

Very insightful observation Theo, thanks for asking this question.

The mother of all fears, fear of death, turns out to be a complete illusion....but for many, the 'dark night of the soul' has to be gone through, to facilitate that dissolution of apparent separation. Or, allegorically speaking, to 'die before you die', can be a very real crucifixion, before resurrection. Whatever it's labelled as, suffering is unavoidable, and, as with everything arising, this too will pass. 🙏🔥

This is brilliant.

The colluding and substantiating…

When I think about the implications of non duality , I very fast drift into a thinking where I imagine that everything I see and every possible Future will someday happen to me. I mean if I am really eternal and everything is me, I will evetually experience everything possible. But with that in mind I will also experience the most horrible and cruel things and that thought freaks me out sometimes a little bit. Its really frightening.

Excellent. Thankyou🙏

Brilliant.

grata, Rupert e Theo, por trazer o tema do medo para ser iluminado e dissolvido na correta compreensão da sua origem e destino/Grateful, Rupert and Theo, for bringing the theme of fear to be enlightened and dissolved in the correct understanding of its origin and destiny

Thank you Rupert very well explained

I love this so much.

Excellent 😚

Best I've ever heard ❤️. Thank you thank you 😅😅🙏

Thank you 🙏 😢

Very good. Very helpful.

What a lovely sharing! Even a taste of our non dual nature is not enough if we haven't dissloved our fears. Why do we chase enlightenment then?..We'll be sucked right out of the void n back into our bodies. Might as well work on our blockages... and one day, hopefully, we will arrive ! Home.

@zoomby4380

2 жыл бұрын

You are home in Being. (Consciousness) As a flicker of activity on the screen... Peace 🤍🤍🤍

This helps so much thank you!! I love this. I always get stuck in, wait, what am I supposed to tell myself now? and this really helps! Greatly appreciated! ❤

thank you both ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

From my experience, when I reach to that state, I worry about what would happen if I go into the void? Will I cease to exist? How would I be able to function in society if my Ego (personality) dies? Then I start thinking about my financial situation and the fear of being unable to survive if I dissolve my ego right now. I think that's the same fear that he is talking about. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE ADVICES!

Excellent

This reminds me of Byron Katie's turn around: I am looking forward to experiencing this again (for as long as it takes.)