F1 2024 - Should You Buy It?

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F1 2024 is here, and though it’s not "bad" in and of itself, I'm sure Codemasters have done much work under the hood. Unfortunately, the end result is that the game feels to the player as if it has arbitrary handling changes, with the rest of the game effectively being a copy and paste from the previous year's release. The end result is that it’s honestly not worth the £50-£70 RRP and is probably only worth getting if you don't have last year's version, got it on some game pass/EA Play system for free, or are a super-dedicated F1 fan who has to have everything F1 regardless of what it is.
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  • @GamerMuscleVideos
    @GamerMuscleVideosАй бұрын

    Honestly don't see why someone needs this game over 2023 and why a £50-£70 game drives worse than games from over 15 years ago. Why no mouse curser ? Why weard default settings ? Why so bland ?

  • @grimlocked2524

    @grimlocked2524

    Ай бұрын

    EA, no way.

  • @911rsr19

    @911rsr19

    Ай бұрын

    that is weard

  • @mintcocobrown

    @mintcocobrown

    Ай бұрын

    I thought F1 2018 was acceptable. I have ignored all of the later releases. The solution is a rival f1 game that has a better handling.

  • @tdhitchins

    @tdhitchins

    Ай бұрын

    Love how you say it’s unrealistic whilst Norris, a current f1 driver says it’s more realistic

  • @GamerMuscleVideos

    @GamerMuscleVideos

    Ай бұрын

    @@tdhitchins More realistic than what ? - Aspects of more grip and easy to catch slides are more realistic sure, but the physics in the f1 games are miles of AC/AMS1 .

  • @NielsHeusinkveld
    @NielsHeusinkveldАй бұрын

    The most worrying thing, with sims in general, is how random the changes feel. Handling goes this way, that way, definitely got it right this year, very different the year after.. Try this car, those cars are bad, this car is great now, tire model 423 fixes everything, wait no, it is exactly the same.. Bit like a rudderless ship this hobby!

  • @GamerMuscleVideos

    @GamerMuscleVideos

    Ай бұрын

    Every year it's a game changing update that's more realistic , here is some word salad about how complicated the physics are and how a real driver gave feedback and thus you need to buy the game again. Every year it's largely the same thing and handles worse than pc games from ,15+ years ago developed by 3 man teams 😆

  • @WildStyle

    @WildStyle

    Ай бұрын

    This is the reason, why I sometimes struggle to justify having a sim rig. It's all fun driving around AC, having a good time! For me, if FFB is not right, I just don't feel it in me to play with a wheel. Like Forza Motorsport for example, FFB so bad, I just use a controller. -.-

  • @Salutifer0us
    @Salutifer0usАй бұрын

    Short answer: No Long answer: No, you shouldn't

  • @NuScorpii
    @NuScorpiiАй бұрын

    There should be one F1 game with all the seasons as paid DLC. Selling each season as a new game where the game engine has hardly changed is a scam.

  • @OutLanderUSN

    @OutLanderUSN

    Ай бұрын

    This is how it should be with all sports games. But people keep buying them, so EA and 2k are going to keep dropping them as full releases every year.

  • @LilTiddyTwista

    @LilTiddyTwista

    Ай бұрын

    lol, they would simply charge 50 to 70 bucks for the DLC in that case. The issue are dumb consumers who buy every turd, regardless of the price. And also streamers, youtubers and influencers who help the companies to hype up their steamy turds. If no one bought these yearly iterations that barely improve and in many ways also move backwards, they would stop producing this garbage. The same is true for many other AAA games. But here we are: people buy these games, so it's a solid, low-effort business for greedy companies.

  • @Edwins1984
    @Edwins1984Ай бұрын

    If someone told me this gameplay is from F1 2022, i would believe him... the EA effect is strong with this one

  • @martsum398

    @martsum398

    Ай бұрын

    21-20-19-18 weren't at all similar without EA? Codemasters...

  • @Edwins1984

    @Edwins1984

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@martsum398 I agree with you to a certain degree, F1 games from Codemasters where always a yearly iteration but there were some improvements. Now it feels completely flat... Didn't play this 2024 edition so i could be wrong (so correct me i i'm wrong!)

  • @mintcocobrown
    @mintcocobrownАй бұрын

    Someone needs to bring out an F1 racing game that would compete with the yearly standard offerings. The rival game would have generic formula cars, realistic force back, and fictional circuits. Name it Downforce Champions!

  • @tidygreendye
    @tidygreendyeАй бұрын

    I agree that I disagree with what Gamer Muscle agrees that he disagrees with.

  • @doOf3r
    @doOf3rАй бұрын

    Mouse Cursor DLC Only 9.99.

  • @torchbearer3784
    @torchbearer3784Ай бұрын

    It is 2024 and AC/Automobilista 1 needs to be mentioned when it comes to good physics. Madness.

  • @Gizfreek

    @Gizfreek

    Ай бұрын

    let's hope AC2/Evo can take over the torch

  • @DAGATHire

    @DAGATHire

    Ай бұрын

    well its made for consoles and controllers mate. what you expect?

  • @chadrizla496
    @chadrizla496Ай бұрын

    The price point is what gets me. Absolutely not paying that kind of money for it.

  • @Esubalol
    @EsubalolАй бұрын

    it's EA. the answer is no. remember what they did to dirt rally.

  • @xRockee

    @xRockee

    Ай бұрын

    whats wrong with ea wrc? its leagues better than DR2

  • @DiariesOfABadDriver

    @DiariesOfABadDriver

    Ай бұрын

    @@xRockee I really hate how people oversimplify these arguments when it's so nuanced. There's elements of EA WRC that are strong but there's also elements that are massively lacking and objectively worse than DiRT Rally 2. I play WRC regularly but pretending that's it's just better in every way is silly.

  • @seattletyler

    @seattletyler

    Ай бұрын

    @@DiariesOfABadDriverexcept that it’s better in every way

  • @DiariesOfABadDriver

    @DiariesOfABadDriver

    Ай бұрын

    @@seattletyler *citation needed

  • @joshualayfield2294

    @joshualayfield2294

    Ай бұрын

    You're BUGGING and clearly haven't played WRC since the patches. It's driving model is incredible.

  • @FilNenna
    @FilNennaАй бұрын

    If they released a game with full historic seasons (cars and tracks), I would weep.

  • @MatheusHenrique-jf6ry
    @MatheusHenrique-jf6ryАй бұрын

    Help me Assetto Corsa Evo, you're my only hope

  • @RodrigoCosta-sj3co

    @RodrigoCosta-sj3co

    Ай бұрын

    There is also iracing

  • @joshualayfield2294

    @joshualayfield2294

    Ай бұрын

    ​@RodrigoCosta-sj3co for 15 a car 15 a track and 20 a month for 2000s graphics. I love iRacing but it doesn't hold a candle to AC or ACC to me.

  • @RodrigoCosta-sj3co

    @RodrigoCosta-sj3co

    Ай бұрын

    @@joshualayfield2294 the online game of ac or acc works well?

  • @hmp01

    @hmp01

    Ай бұрын

    @@RodrigoCosta-sj3co iracing is liturally scamming you just like these games. if they only charged monthly I can understand and accept, but paying monthly and having to buy every car and every track separately might be some of the most predatory stuff I ever seen

  • @test868
    @test868Ай бұрын

    I did a quick calculation and I reckon £70 would get GM about a week’s worth of tea bags. For the rest of us, that’s a year’s supply.

  • @eetuli85
    @eetuli85Ай бұрын

    EA WRC didn't support Moza at launch, had to manually add the input devices into a config file. It feels deliberate tbh, it was a five minute fix so there's no reason why it wasn't done by the devs

  • @Space-O-2001
    @Space-O-2001Ай бұрын

    Not really into F1 as a whole but my god AMS2 in VR is a rush ( prefer the 1990s cars mind)

  • @razgriz8856
    @razgriz8856Ай бұрын

    I agree to disagree with the disagreement of the agreement made by a very agreeable GamerMuscle

  • @OldschoolRacer73
    @OldschoolRacer73Ай бұрын

    Stick with F1 2020 or buy the 30 Dollar BetterHandling DLC ✌🏻

  • @tdurb0
    @tdurb0Ай бұрын

    Regarding EA/MS/Codies etc and their controller settings, there seems to be an issue with Steam running in the background. Quitting Steam seems to solve this problem. God knows how and why this has started happening, but that’s what works for me

  • @gaspermedved5803
    @gaspermedved5803Ай бұрын

    even the way it looks on video it's super weird looking like it's got infinite grip on turn in or something. so ac when?

  • @benwilliams5760
    @benwilliams5760Ай бұрын

    I mean...the trees look nice.

  • @johnbush8254
    @johnbush8254Ай бұрын

    I bought the game last Friday played 5 gruelling days on my team career mode. Then some glitch it wouldn't proceed to the next race it was stuck. Tried restarting the PS5 but to no avail. I took the game back to the store got a refund. I will wait a few months see if most of the bugs have been fixed. However i doubt it

  • @a.vandervelden
    @a.vanderveldenАй бұрын

    My favourite rambling tuber ❤

  • @jimmymiddleton1307
    @jimmymiddleton1307Ай бұрын

    The problem (amongst other things) with these games is that it's just the same crap and a new year. About the only thing that changes is the lineup and sometimes a really mild livery change. They've had so many years to improve the whole way the game plays, and they're just seemingly sitting on their hands. I'd love to see iRacing get some licencing and do it properly. Anyway, just my 2c.

  • @GamerMuscleVideos

    @GamerMuscleVideos

    Ай бұрын

    Ironically iracing has a really messed up tire model so it's probably not a good example.

  • @csabazombori9862
    @csabazombori9862Ай бұрын

    I think from ac few euros and rss and vrc are going to be way more realistic

  • @WOojerVest3andQuest3onMe
    @WOojerVest3andQuest3onMeАй бұрын

    This game looks so good. I was thinking about buying it. But, ended up not getting it. I did pick up a Formula 1 VR racing game and VR Stock Car racer bundle for $4 maybe, I will get my fix in these…🤗😉👌

  • @neblolthecarnerd
    @neblolthecarnerdАй бұрын

    What I don't understand is how wildly different the handling seems to be from the previous games and why on earth they decided to change it. I haven't tried it myself but the clips ive seen going around from people like opmeer look ridiculous.

  • @jackmakackov7077
    @jackmakackov7077Ай бұрын

    I hate how these games give you button numbers to navigate the menus. I have no clue what button 27 is on my maclaren rim

  • @GamerMuscleVideos

    @GamerMuscleVideos

    Ай бұрын

    Press button 323 to disarm the nuke

  • @zack2396tube
    @zack2396tubeАй бұрын

    I FEEL I ALREADY OWN THIS GAME

  • @dirtydogsanddiesel
    @dirtydogsanddieselАй бұрын

    I cancelled the preorder a few weeks ago. I'm glad i did now. as for goldeneye, that would be about £155 today adjusting for inflation. Thank god they aren't changing that, well not yet anyway

  • @GamerMuscleVideos

    @GamerMuscleVideos

    Ай бұрын

    Well in the 90s 18-35 yr olds had more disposable income , rent housing and food was cheaper and you also physically owned the game so you could sell it after buying it with N64 games holding there value quite well. So I don't think you can just use today's basic inflation to come to 155 for the price of the game 😛

  • @dathyr1
    @dathyr1Ай бұрын

    Maybe not right now at 70 dollars on STEAM. I have F1-22 and F1-23 because they now have VR implementation and bought them both on sale. When F1-24 goes on a deep dive sale price on STEAM, I may also get this game - probably when F1-25 comes out. I am not a F1 fanboy, so I am not buying these F1 games for the career modes. I select a car, a track, and go race or do time trials. And pretty sure this game will also have VR. Take care.

  • @test868
    @test868Ай бұрын

    I’ll stick to driving the RSS F1 cars in AC if I want to drive an F1 car, or (dare I mention it) iRacing…..I wonder what the console experience is like.

  • @Eskoxo
    @EskoxoАй бұрын

    It's just the same people doing the same game every year with minimum effort they can get away with it.

  • @onetripwonders
    @onetripwondersАй бұрын

    I call it a gateway sim. People get into sim racing because of F1, by far the most popular motorsport, and naturally get the F1 game. If you like it and explore more, you'll find much better experiences with almost any other simulator.

  • @DiariesOfABadDriver
    @DiariesOfABadDriverАй бұрын

    Honestly, "It's Formula 1" is all I need to know.

  • @denesk2794
    @denesk2794Ай бұрын

    You probably shouldn't buy it. But the Steam reviews are very entertaining. Highly recommend. I was actually thinking of picking this up, but I only play F1 before the F1 races (to know the track - so it's more interesting) .... and with these reviews I just stay on 23 ...

  • @tdurb0
    @tdurb0Ай бұрын

    Imola looks nice to be fair. And that’s the best thing I can say

  • @GamerMuscleVideos

    @GamerMuscleVideos

    Ай бұрын

    Yah I like the track graphics , but they are also the same tracks that have been in the game for years and they always looked good , they can just copy and paste.

  • @tdurb0

    @tdurb0

    Ай бұрын

    @@GamerMuscleVideos very true. Three sugars in mine by the way. It’s been a long night

  • @tdurb0

    @tdurb0

    Ай бұрын

    You get Shanghai back I guess. For £50. I mean, I do miss that track, but not fifty quid’s worth of missing it!

  • @Brundlesim
    @BrundlesimАй бұрын

    GEOFF CRAMMOND….get your arse in gear and save the title…..!

  • @bobwindy903
    @bobwindy903Ай бұрын

    I just read the entirety of the license agreement

  • @felipoliveira95

    @felipoliveira95

    Ай бұрын

    I'm afraid you lost your refund window by just reading it.

  • @felipoliveira95

    @felipoliveira95

    Ай бұрын

    I'm afraid you lost your refund window by just reading it.

  • @counterdebate
    @counterdebateАй бұрын

    EA.... Unfortunately It's in the game

  • @with_the_ghosts5729
    @with_the_ghosts572927 күн бұрын

    I agree that I disagree that something or rather agrees to disagree the agreement of disagreeing, or something. I don't know, I wasn't listening

  • @Dartoras
    @DartorasАй бұрын

    fun fact i stopped playing F1 games when i 1st buy a wheel and never come back to it

  • @alanharrington
    @alanharringtonАй бұрын

    I agree to disagree with whatever it was you said 🤣🤣 When it comes to cost, you can pay 70 quid or more for a single plane or map in DCS World, but to be fair their audience is tiny compared to F1 on all the platforms. There's simply no excuse for this price gouging when the potential audience is so large.

  • @GamerMuscleVideos

    @GamerMuscleVideos

    Ай бұрын

    DCS need to start launching the same plane and make there game simcade and still charge full price !

  • @bbtodd
    @bbtodd23 күн бұрын

    I really regret buying F123 now I'm done with this brand, but the only reason you'd buy it is because the weekly online organized races and challenges and those drop off in the old title when the new one comes out. But a lot of people will play this for "free" with xbox game pass.

  • @starfox_wr-45e93
    @starfox_wr-45e93Ай бұрын

    The Pinnacle of -Motorsports- Rants ™

  • @mkotechno3972
    @mkotechno3972Ай бұрын

    F1 games are doing what FIFA has been doing forever, in FIFA they alternate years in which they reduce the game speed (possibly a single config variable) and they claim "is more simulation", then the next year they raise the speed and they claim is "is more dynamic", repeat forever, gives the illusion of changes without changes. In F1 games they do the same, one year they increase the grip and claim "cars are more stable", next year they reduce the grip and claim "it is more simulation", repeat forever, gives the illusion of changes without changes, the cars drive with the same arcade physics nonsense since 2015. And guess which game they are going to start doing the same yearly back and forth? WRC.

  • @benoitparadis602
    @benoitparadis602Ай бұрын

    loved F1 97 ! i will stick whit last years game .

  • @tdurb0
    @tdurb0Ай бұрын

    Thanks for this mate. You’ve just saved me making a hole in my wallet. 👍🏻 Edit: who do you blame? EA or Codemasters or both?

  • @GamerMuscleVideos

    @GamerMuscleVideos

    Ай бұрын

    Just capitalism , if people are happy to spend 50 on a game that's largely the same as last year's then companies will exploit that like the FIFA titles. Just a shame as consumers should really demand more and there will be loads of talented people at codies , the games are just a weird mess of ideas bloat and superficial marketing / contractual tick box ticking.

  • @bernardausterberry9795
    @bernardausterberry9795Ай бұрын

    Truth be told AMS2 offers more in DLC than EA in a new game. How much is a dozen skins worth?

  • @steveworrell
    @steveworrellАй бұрын

    I agree that I disagree...ah whatever you get the point.

  • @aarongreen121
    @aarongreen121Ай бұрын

    I've just started playing the video so i might be repeating you..or not. BUT, the game itself with the weekend structure, two player online championships are all AWESOME ideas. Let down completely by wonky physics, grabby brakes that lock up for no reason and sh*te FFB which feels vague and totally canned. They need to employ RSS to sort this out as it's a hot mess. Visuals aren't bad either. 100% no buy for me though.

  • @felipoliveira95
    @felipoliveira95Ай бұрын

    Alternate video title: "I bought the game so you don't have to"

  • @petezzzz
    @petezzzzАй бұрын

    I agree with GamerMuscle that both F1 and Codemasters "F1" suck.

  • @cvtataryn
    @cvtatarynАй бұрын

    I agree to agree to disagree with the notion that this game is agree-able. Agreed.

  • @saxoross
    @saxorossАй бұрын

    Its crazy to me that it costs £60 and STILL has all these micro transactions. For £60, all the cosmetics should be unlockable via in game XP/points that you don't have to pay extra for. But that's EA for you.

  • @Sauron.1
    @Sauron.1Ай бұрын

    I agree that I disagree with what GamerMuscles agrees that he disagrees with

  • @user-bc3qg8ri2m
    @user-bc3qg8ri2mАй бұрын

    I agree that I disagree with what you agreed we all disagree with.

  • @squaddingquads
    @squaddingquadsАй бұрын

    F1 needs a new dev, Codemasters and EA have ruined this

  • @alenx5455
    @alenx5455Ай бұрын

    Its horrible, why can't they make the formulas drive more like asseto corsa??

  • @GamerMuscleVideos

    @GamerMuscleVideos

    Ай бұрын

    Probably the underlying engine. But yah if they are trying to make it more realistic then it's strange they can't get things as good as RF1 , AMS1 , Race Room , AC1 , LFS / stuff from over 15 years ago. Ea can afford to employ a programmer or licence the tech.

  • @steelin666
    @steelin666Ай бұрын

    Mate didn't you skip F1 23? I don't remember any video from you on it, and it actually handles pretty well, the best since 2020.

  • @Werferharfer
    @WerferharferАй бұрын

    I'm a fan of the f1 games from Codemasters, but I'm gonna pass this one.

  • @gjdriessen1
    @gjdriessen1Ай бұрын

    Ai is really the best side of these games

  • @mike87232

    @mike87232

    Ай бұрын

    AI simply going fast is not at all interesting. Rather if the AI is prone to errors and slow at corner exits from time to time would be fun. AI being too perfect doesn't make the game fun.

  • @mike87232
    @mike87232Ай бұрын

    If it is similar to F1 22 then no way am i going for this game. It would be horrible one. Besides, AI being too consistent is not enjoyable in career mode.

  • @J.e.r.o.e.n
    @J.e.r.o.e.nАй бұрын

    No surprises, but thanks anyway 👍

  • @huubvandoremalen
    @huubvandoremalenАй бұрын

    I am looking forward to your handling video. I am not interested in all the extra "game stuff" for the "complete F1 experience", I just like to drive. Of course I can do this in Assetto Corsa and rFactor 2 (terible game but very good driving), but, in all the "racing simulater experience" centres, where you can have some fun with driving against your friends, they don't have AC or rF2, they have EA sports F1 games. I like to be prepared before I make a fool of myself in front of my friends, because I am not used to drive this game.

  • @chaosclg
    @chaosclgАй бұрын

    Enjoying it tbh, handling feels good tracks look nice, i can waste 50 golds on food what difference does it make

  • @lilibordei721
    @lilibordei721Ай бұрын

    Are we still seriously contemplating giving ea money?

  • @eetuli85
    @eetuli85Ай бұрын

    All EA games are copypasta from the previous, rarely anything is actually better. How they manage to sell the same game each year for 70€ is mind boggling

  • @Lubmachine1
    @Lubmachine1Ай бұрын

    I for one am not buying it.. I already have the 2024 season thanks to the modding community with updated liveries and track graphics. Why buy a game that I already have and am reasonably happy with.. EA IT'S 2024 LET US PC USERS USE OUR MICE FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!!

  • @simracingwales4997
    @simracingwales4997Ай бұрын

    Nope not going to give it time of day 😂

  • @simracingwales4997
    @simracingwales4997Ай бұрын

    I havent played one in years now i really dont like f1 . However the fact ive not played one in years this could be fun or would you recommend buying the 2023 version because its cheeper? . I will confess ive not watched the vidio yet but i will go get my second cup of tea and give it a look . Ive been looking for something a bit different racing wise even though i hate modern day F1 for many resons i will say now .... its bloody predictable and lacks competitiveness , ooh too much emphasis on safety and sustainability its motor sport ffs , Current cars sound awful nothing like the 90s v10s it was porn for the ears its a shadow of its former self like my health body and mind . And they wave political views around that blm bolox lewis was so proud to take a knee for ahhh i digress going on a bit of a rant here my self now .... Time for tea !! Thanks for the upload James

  • @neblolthecarnerd

    @neblolthecarnerd

    Ай бұрын

    23 was one of the best in a few years so it would likely be decent if you got it for cheap

  • @starfox_wr-45e93
    @starfox_wr-45e93Ай бұрын

    I disagree to agree with this review

  • @Maartwo
    @MaartwoАй бұрын

    Most people will say that the game sucks and that EA sucks but end up buying it anyways. Talk with your wallets.

  • @SakibLH44
    @SakibLH44Ай бұрын

    You shouldn't. Stop giving this crap company money. They don't care about the game, only profits.

  • @RitualHorse
    @RitualHorseАй бұрын

    EA Quality! 🤣

  • @jdbb3gotskills
    @jdbb3gotskillsАй бұрын

    I knew EA was gonna ruin F1 and Codemasters. They always ruin yearly sports franchises.

  • @ccramit
    @ccramitАй бұрын

    It seems like there are 2 different developers handling the releases. 19, 21, and 23 weren't too bad. 2020 was a copy/paste of 2019. F1 22 was absolute crap. And now F1 24 is absolute crap. And the game has gone downhill since EA took over, which is no surprise.

  • @doubleboy2388
    @doubleboy2388Ай бұрын

    I bought it. And i feel ripped off. Buyer beware!!

  • @kargion
    @kargionАй бұрын

    Majority I have heard say handling is better. Its not a full on sim. You can still enjoy it for what it is.

  • @arseburgers4208
    @arseburgers4208Ай бұрын

    Lol it's EA, I won't even buy code masters new WRC cause it's pushed by those scummers

  • @Rave-agent
    @Rave-agentАй бұрын

    Dull & bland: F1 & Esports defined.

  • @SCoeSimRacing
    @SCoeSimRacingАй бұрын

    Treat it like an iRacing subscription... But... The ai is probably better than most of the drivers... The graphics are slightly better... The handling is on par 😂 But its not a proper sim, its just for fans and its kinda the gateway to driving sims IMO

  • @Arejen03
    @Arejen03Ай бұрын

    Horrible engine sounds

  • @casagrandefeltrin01
    @casagrandefeltrin01Ай бұрын

    this game its so boring to play..every year the same shit.

  • @dawidwolnik628
    @dawidwolnik628Ай бұрын

    no vr, no buy :(

  • @petersen280798
    @petersen280798Ай бұрын

    No - will not buy

  • @Motod94
    @Motod94Ай бұрын

    It's crap

  • @jamesbryant8133
    @jamesbryant8133Ай бұрын

    Oh look a new driving game has come out and i 'shouldnt' play it......colour me surprised

  • @Wyn3e

    @Wyn3e

    Ай бұрын

    It's F1 24 vs 2023 yh it's pretty much a shit price

  • @RodrigoCosta-sj3co
    @RodrigoCosta-sj3coАй бұрын

    F1 24 sucks

  • @zKaltern
    @zKalternАй бұрын

    Review the game. Not your opinion on F1.

  • @kyperactive

    @kyperactive

    Ай бұрын

    What does this mean?

  • @deadmanwalking1930

    @deadmanwalking1930

    Ай бұрын

    ​@kyperactive ignore him, he's am idiot.

  • @911rsr19

    @911rsr19

    Ай бұрын

    ????

  • @Arejen03

    @Arejen03

    Ай бұрын

    The game is shit for 69 euro

  • @dietpeachfanta
    @dietpeachfantaАй бұрын

    I agree that I disagree with what Gamer Muscle agrees that he disagrees with.

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