Rhodesia was independent country(not de iure but de facto)

@ggpp4898

5 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately only in the eyes of South Africa and Portugal.....

@lindelwamhlonishwa1446

4 жыл бұрын

@@ggpp4898 ✊

@dod6031

3 жыл бұрын

In the same way that Transnistria & Northern Cyprus are countries, barely anyone recognised them.

@oriettoberti2501

3 жыл бұрын

@@ggpp4898 Portugal... until 1975. But Rhodesia was the paradise in Africa.

@alejandrosotomartin9720

3 жыл бұрын

@@ggpp4898 Participating in the 1972 Olimpic Games. That´s what i call an independent recognized country.

F.W.DeKlerk you insisted wisely on checks and balances to prevent the abuse of power. However you call Ian Smith an extremist he insisted of the rule of law and order provided by the white minority. This is NOT to say the white minority was inherently superior but merely that their society was objectively detribalized before they settled. Additionally their society predominantly came from a Protestant background with its clear understanding of the benefit of the Separation of Powers. They confronted utterly tribal societies as Bantu speakers moved south from mid-northwest Africa. This is NOT to say the white's response in the 1948 election was appropriate but merely that African tribal groupings inevitably faced massive social upheaval in a more compressed timeframe than 2000+ years of European history, especially noting the impact of the Roman Empire. Things such as this whites in Africa implicitly knew and were thus afraid of so-called majority rule because they feared the persistence of African tribal structures interfering with the efficient governance of the nation states established by colonial rule. Again this is not to say white rule was inherently superior but that civil society begins where tribalism ends.

@goodafy

4 жыл бұрын

@Ricardo, your write up sounds intellectual until you realise that the African countries are NOT organic countries created by agreement between local people like the 1707 treaty for creation of United kingdom or the 1648 declaration of independent Netherlands by local Dutch warriors from Spain. African countries were created in a conference in Berlin by one Bismarck, partitioned as it pleased Europeans colonialists no African rep what so ever. What you call tribes is actually nations, yes nations, some are as small as Luxembourg or Estonia in Europe or Nauru or Tahiti in the Pacific. Some are big like the Zulu nation the Kiswahi, the Hausa nation, Ashanti nation, Igbo nation, Matabele and many more. Many of these nations are bigger than England in land mass & population. Berlin conference cut the Hausa nation into 6 countries 52% in Nigeria; 20% in Niger; 5% in Benin; 7% in Togo; 3% in Tchad; 6% in Burkina Faso population estimates. Your fellow Hausa brothers same culture, language, mannerisms but different country, but a Matabele and Xhosa different in every cultural sense but same country. That's the dilemma Africans are confronting. Hausas should actually be one country. Same for kiswahili some Kenya, others in Tanzania, Uganda, Somalia and so on. Kiswahili should be one country like Germany or France with unique language, food, clothing and so on. I agree that was an era of conquest, this era now is about correcting conquest that makes no sense. Otherwise Hitler's conquest will be justified too. If you cut part of France, add a little Spain to it, and part of eastern Germany then bring a Spanish ruler called the country EUROPIA. there will be conflicts and affiliation to national roots, which you call tribalism. It happened in Yugoslavia before the country fell apart. Berlin conference raped the African continent no though. Just like you have, Scottish tribe, Spanish tribe, English tribe same way you have Matabele tribe, Kiswahili tribe, nothing wrong with that. If Tutsi had their country and Hutus had their country, 1994 genocide may not have happened. There have not being an inter country conflict in Africa yet, except when white South Africans invaded Angola in 1976, and Tanzania soldiers chased away Idi Adim without hurting the people in 1979. Countries like South Africa, Congo DRC, Nigeria, Sudan etc are mere creation of colonization. Africans are actually managing a chaos created by Berlin conference. I am sure you know that Scottish tribe and English tribe don't necessarily agree always, latter wants Brexit while former wants to stay in EU. Ofcourse Africans intellectuals can do better than they currently doing no doubt.

@lindelwamhlonishwa1446

4 жыл бұрын

@ACEONE true black have broken many academic records in one of the highest world rated universities and black perform more than whites statistical proven were don't need people who use old propaganda to make racist remarks which 💯 percent are you talking about

@carolmiller760

2 жыл бұрын

Happy my Man..you have your African Government. Please... please... I am so tired of repeating myself.

@abbeyndlovu1638

10 ай бұрын

I salute FW De Klerk for reading the writing on the wall. Sanctions, International Pressure towards the black majority rule rendered the country ungovernable. Wisdom pointed towards checks and balances, institutions, like chapter 9 and other elements to control and manage the edge or temptation of abuse of power by the new democratic government. The ANC government with its huge support could change the Constitution and create anarchy. Thanks to Nelson Mandela and the majority of the leadership, it was an option that they would not consider. Nelson Mandela and FW De Klerk deserve the Nobel Prize for Peace.

the hypocrisy is off the scale

@JaguarAir007

Жыл бұрын

I think the scale needs adjusting, its way too small.

There was a white South African that worked for me in the mid 80s. He felt that De Klerk was a traitor who sold out his people. He was in the SA air force and worked on Mirage jets.

@colinm2056

3 жыл бұрын

@Lil Rob Nope.

@SymphonyBrahms

Жыл бұрын

Because he opposed apartheid? Only a fascist would support apartheid.

How can you tell that this guy is controlled opposition?

@SymphonyBrahms

Жыл бұрын

He is the former Prime Minister of South Africa.

While ancient Rhodesia was a major exporter of agricultural products, 80% of the food needed today is imported. The brutal eviction of white farmers - Appaling crimes even on white Children- and their staff by the arsonist gangs activated by the Mugabe regime led to the displacement and misery of tens of thousands of agricultural workers

@hpa021

Жыл бұрын

There's nothing ancient about Rhodesia

@jackholman5008

10 ай бұрын

Wheat,tobacco and maize production are record highs right now,the process was bad but what do you expect from rebels but they will succeed with time just like the whites did Also Rhodesia used the Blacks as labour/a resource not as citizens

they misspelled Rhodesia in the title, SMH

@bigal640

5 жыл бұрын

@@mitchelld.4350 you obviously have no knowledge on Rhodesia. Plus it's not named after there biggest exploiter, because it's not called 'Robert Mugabe'?

@bigal640

5 жыл бұрын

@@mitchelld.4350 smith was good, very good

@FreedomLovingLoyalistOfficial

4 жыл бұрын

WOW :)

@benlonghurst7777

3 жыл бұрын

@@FreedomLovingLoyalistOfficial lmao I swear I see you in the comments of half the videos I watch

@FreedomLovingLoyalistOfficial

3 жыл бұрын

@@benlonghurst7777 lol

F.W. De Klerk was the Gorbachev of South Africa.

@Jarmint

Жыл бұрын

That is an interesting analogy, actually. Both had very good and noble intentions, but in the end, other people ruined their work and turned their countries into crapholes.

@priehowell8825

Жыл бұрын

He is a judas

All he wanted was to maintain standards

@lidaplunt4753

3 жыл бұрын

Standards of oppressing black people with systematic oppression.black people are awake now.

@Jarmint

Жыл бұрын

@@lidaplunt4753 What do you think Zimbabwe would be like today if the Europeans hadn't arrived? No Harare (nobody even lived there before Europeans set up Fort Salisbury) No Bulawayo No Masvingo (Fort Victoria) Because of European healthcare and Europeans forcing you to stop tribal infighting, the black population skyrocketed. Without European intervention, there would only be around 500,000 people in Zimbabwe today. Let's not pretend that Europeans give Zimbabwe the blueprints for a modern nation, which Mugabe foolishly decided to ignore. Black people are awake, yes, awake to the mess that Mugabe and ZANU-PF have caused.

@lidaplunt4753

Жыл бұрын

@@Jarmint what is the point of having Harare infrastructure and technology when we oppressed when only a handful of people actually own things in Africa.sytematic racism is designed to keep black people mentally and financially enslaved.The fact that you think having stuff you can't benefit own or use is an advantage just proves that your way of thinking is limited.

@Jarmint

Жыл бұрын

@@lidaplunt4753 If black people did not develop or benefit whatsoever from the development of the land after Europeans came in, Zimbabwe wouldn't exist; it would devolve back into several tribes that don't have writing systems warring each other, and there would only be 500,000 people there instead of 14 million. Get some sense.

@MS-dp2qg

Жыл бұрын

​@Jarmint what would have happen to Europe if Moores would haven't invaded the iberique and ruled it for over 800 years. You would have vanished due to black plague and the rest of you going back to live in the cave. check the most visited monument in spain who has builded them.

So Mr De Klerk, I wonder what your views about the abuse of power are now, and how is that working out for all south africans and more importantly, the economy and future for the South Africa at present?

@user-ez05ob0WqQ

Жыл бұрын

he died in 2021, too late

@JaguarAir007

Жыл бұрын

And to the detriment of South Africa, i hope the doos rots in hell, but then I think, he'll be amongst his kind anyway.

@SymphonyBrahms

Жыл бұрын

The important thing is that he opposed apartheid and supported Nelson Mandela. For those things he is to be praised.

Is there a video of Ian Smiths address to Oxford Union?

@SymphonyBrahms

Жыл бұрын

I don't believe that he ever addressed the Oxford Union.

@ahtes2458

Жыл бұрын

I’ve been looking for it too.

there where many times that Ian Smith came to an agreement in negotiations during and before the bush war but they where accepted at first and rejected later in the bush war there was during the first negotiations a plan/treaty put forward that the Rhodesian gov and British gov agreed on and all terrorist/rebels accepted(for it gave what they sought) only Mugabe would not agree

De Klerk to South Africa is like Gorbachev to the USSR

De Klerk the TRAITOR

@ManJay3220

4 жыл бұрын

Lies

@lindelwamhlonishwa1446

4 жыл бұрын

You speaking shit bro

@VBN59Z

4 жыл бұрын

@@lindelwamhlonishwa1446 south africa is a complete failed state

@FreedomLovingLoyalistOfficial

4 жыл бұрын

F.W. De Klerk was the Gorbachev of South Africa.

@SymphonyBrahms

Жыл бұрын

De Klerk the hero of South Africa.

He says 'I'm not an expert on Rhodesia' - well he should be given his political career!

@SymphonyBrahms

Жыл бұрын

He is the former Prime Minister of South Africa, not Rhodesia.

History repeats!

you should be ashame of yourself.

@nickyfrederickthusi6676

4 жыл бұрын

😂

@SymphonyBrahms

Жыл бұрын

He should be proud of himself. De Klerk was a great man.

Zimbabwe would have been down the tubes no matter what. Anyway

@SymphonyBrahms

Жыл бұрын

Rhodesia went down the tubes. Anyway.

Mugabe was the real hardliner...

@luv2scrap741

Жыл бұрын

He was a corrupt and greedy terrorist leader who got power of a beautiful country with the support of the rest of the world.

@gerritkruger4014

Жыл бұрын

id say both were, but De Klerk is right in the sense than a deal could've been struck when ZANU and ZAPO weren't really in a position to dictate terms. Ian Smith was in many regards a hardliner with inflexible policies that contrary to what people believe, were often in direct opposition with western values.

He haven't learn anything since then.

Those checks and balances haven’t worked out too well now, have they?

look who talking now

de klerk you betrayed all the people of South Africa and you still refuse to accept your 30 pieces of silver for that betrayal.

@brianjohnson1172

2 жыл бұрын

Im glad he did. Thanks you De Klerk

@SymphonyBrahms

Жыл бұрын

He was a great man.

@luv2scrap741

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't accept more than 30 pieces of silver.

@SymphonyBrahms

Жыл бұрын

@@luv2scrap741 He didn't receive money for his position. He received the satisfaction of doing the right thing.

@michaal105

11 ай бұрын

How dare you link De Klerk ending apartheid to Judas betraying Jesus Christ. That's shameful.

Independence ruined Zimbabwe

@SymphonyBrahms

Жыл бұрын

Racism ruined Rhodesia.

@waswe4204

Жыл бұрын

@@SymphonyBrahms Read my response above idiot you know nothing. Zero . Zilch.

@Wolf-hh4rv

9 ай бұрын

@@SymphonyBrahmsno it didn’t, every black Zimbabwean I meet that was alive at that time tell me how much better their lives were in Rhodesia.

You did give away too much and you will answer for this to a higher power. The Constitution though was a master stroke save for BEE.

Rhodesië*

@SymphonyBrahms

Жыл бұрын

Francesie. Englandese. Spainese. What a fun game!

That's BS. The British wanted to get back in the country. They just used race as an excuse.

@clonecommanderbly7408

4 жыл бұрын

Britain promised Southern Rhodesia that they would be an independent commonwealth like Australia, Canada, New Zealand and South Africa after WW2. They turnes their back on Rhodesia and instead favoured communists. Britain are the traitors of Rhodesia. South Africa then turned their back on Rhodesia in hope of them being more included in the International and African community (which is ironic considering South Africa was way worse to their bIacks than Rhodesia ever was) Than that sell-out De Klerk came into power and sold his people, the same people who faught on that land, died on that land, lived on that land for centuries, built the roads, the schools, the hostipals etc. Now look at South Africa and Rhodesia (Zimbabwe) today. De Klerk was a fool and he couldn't care less about his OWN PEOPLE.

@SymphonyBrahms

Жыл бұрын

The British didn't get back into the country. It became independent as Zimbabwe and the Chinese became their overlords.

@NkanyisoDube-ug2jn

7 ай бұрын

​@@clonecommanderbly7408I wanna ask had the Rhodesians of the past known what would have happened would they have fought the nazis

@clonecommanderbly7408

7 ай бұрын

@@NkanyisoDube-ug2jn they did fight the nazis, the lost significant parts of their male population due to it

Ian Smith said " No majority rule for a thousand years". In other words,he declared civil war.

@ggpp4898

4 жыл бұрын

@ian hall The context of that comment was that just because a peoples in the majority, then they should rule. That is where the 1000 years came in. He did not declare civil War.....the Terrorist War was already 4/5 years old when Smith made the comment. Nkomo et al started it (Mugabe finished it),when they attacked and killed defenceless farmers in Centenary......what was the Rhodesians supposed to do....sit back and watch?

@benlonghurst7777

3 жыл бұрын

Use the whole qoute ffs "...I repeat I believe in blacks and whites working together. If one day it is white and the next day it is black, I believe we have failed and it will be a disaster for Rhodesia."

@Smudgeroon74

2 жыл бұрын

@GGP P Communist infiltration was the enemy in Rhodesia in the 1970's. Where do you think these rebels got their weapons from?

@rooiflitz

2 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/oph_k8tpoZOyccY.html here's the actual quote.

@Jarmint

Жыл бұрын

That is the most quoted out of context comment. He believed in eventual equal cooperation between white and black once the blacks had developed a healthy middle class and had become educated enough. It takes time to build a western country out of nothing, you know! Now Zimbabwe is in ruins - much like the Zimbabwe Ruins, simply because Britain and Mugabe's terrorists got impatient

It’s ZIMBABWE 🇿🇼 not rhodesia

@Jarmint

Жыл бұрын

How is this "Zimbabwe" thing going for you?

@Jarmint

Жыл бұрын

@@SymphonyBrahms modern zimbabwe is nothing to be proud of either. At least Rhodesia had food.

@SymphonyBrahms

Жыл бұрын

Rhodesia is gone and that's a good thing. Racism is nothing to be proud about.

@priehowell8825

Жыл бұрын

It was Rhodesia back then you Muppet

@Wolf-hh4rv

9 ай бұрын

@@SymphonyBrahmswhy not? I am a proud descendant of European settlers and I have seen absolutely nothing from the black people of South Africa that would make me respect them.

Mr.De Klerk you are going to go to heaven - you help your beautiful South Africa where liberty and justice for all. God and the Americans love you. You believe in liberty and equality and like all Afrikaaners the love God first before man.

@priehowell8825

Жыл бұрын

How's South Africa now ? He ain't going to heaven. Heaven has no place for Judas

He had a chance and he mocked every offer!

Traitor

what a great man

That is a good white man an intelligent man. If only Smith was not too selfish whites in Zimba could have lived in peace and success. Black majority in Zimba loved whites.

@Hermann-lz2jb

6 жыл бұрын

Wagner Lourenco if you believe that you truly are an idiot. Look at land reforms of 2000

@Jarmint

Жыл бұрын

Ian Smith was not selfish, but rather cautious.

@tcdrx

Жыл бұрын

No. The revolution was designed and backed by the Soviet Union. It didn't matter what he did, they never wanted a solution anyway. Only power.