Exemplar Playtest Deep Dive - Pathfinder 2e

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The Exemplar may seem INSANELY powerful on paper, but there are quite a few limitation keeping it's abilities in check! Let's see just how strong this class is.
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  • @BloodiedShingle
    @BloodiedShingle10 ай бұрын

    The pitch: A pantheon of upstart godlings traveling to a young world to sculpt its fledgling civilizations in their image. Every character would be a dual-class Exemplar. After the campaign wraps up, have those characters form the basis of a world's pantheon in a game later down the line, using the same setting.

  • @andrewb1123

    @andrewb1123

    10 ай бұрын

    Who are you to know the plot of the campaign I'm currently writing? Although, to be fair, I started writing before the playtest was announced. Apart from all the players being Exemplars, that is almost exactly my plot.

  • @HenshinFanatic
    @HenshinFanatic10 ай бұрын

    "I see what's happening, yeah. You're face to face with greatness and it's strange. You don't even know how you feel, it's adorable! Well it's nice to know that NPCs never change. Open your eyes, let's begin. It's really me, Nahoa, drink it in. I know it's a lot: the hair, the bod. When you're staring at a..."

  • @JustAnotherJames3

    @JustAnotherJames3

    10 ай бұрын

    "...n exemplar! What can I say except 'You're welcome' for slaying those demons! Hey it's okay, okay, you're welcome! I'm just an ordinary adventurer!"

  • @oneringtorulethemagicarp7199
    @oneringtorulethemagicarp719910 ай бұрын

    God I hope they don't nerf the healing too much, I *love* the idea of having a genuine drain tank in the system, it's one of the very few character concepts I've been missing for this system. plus having a spark of divinity inside you with the domain of sheer percervierence giving you essentially a healing factor is just dope

  • @spectrum3448

    @spectrum3448

    10 ай бұрын

    Also it's so cool in-game since it's almost like fast healing. You can even ask to roll Demoralize as an enemy rips your skin and you look calmly at their eyes as your skin heals instantly.

  • @oneringtorulethemagicarp7199

    @oneringtorulethemagicarp7199

    10 ай бұрын

    Exactly! in fact I'm actually running a character right now who is this with a battle mystery oracle dedication to get their fast healing so that even if I'm unconcious my healing factor marches on :p @@spectrum3448

  • @justinchandler-holtz7206
    @justinchandler-holtz720610 ай бұрын

    You’re going to need that infinite healing if you’re playing strength exemplar. Low dex and light armor only, time to heal through crits.

  • @theslayer5978

    @theslayer5978

    9 ай бұрын

    And it's infinite...champion MUST use focus spells, other classes must use spell slots and this BS gets free healing which is beyond broken.

  • @FirstLast-wk3kc

    @FirstLast-wk3kc

    8 ай бұрын

    ​@@theslayer5978well, not anymore...

  • @amelialonelyfart8848

    @amelialonelyfart8848

    3 ай бұрын

    I feel like it's not too hard to get other armor profs at least, Armor Profiency feat + Sentinel archetype gives scaling heavy armor prof.

  • @shrimpisdelicious
    @shrimpisdelicious10 ай бұрын

    It feels like there's a lot of support in this class for a throwing weapon build, which just sounds fun.

  • @elementalguy2

    @elementalguy2

    10 ай бұрын

    Can't make a demigod class without the capacity to build a Thor analogue.

  • @austentreinen3127

    @austentreinen3127

    10 ай бұрын

    But you can't PUNCH GOD, which is a real travesty

  • @anzol4523

    @anzol4523

    10 ай бұрын

    @@austentreinen3127 brawling weapons. normally they're a bit weak due to 1d4 damage, but they're also simple and this class raises simple damage. a bit roundabout for sure but punching with a god's might IS possible with the class without losing a lot of power

  • @shrimpisdelicious

    @shrimpisdelicious

    10 ай бұрын

    @@anzol4523 There's something visceral about taking out the Brass Knuckles that have been passed down your family line for generations so that you can break a demon lord's nose.

  • @richardsuplee8137

    @richardsuplee8137

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@elementalguy2also Achilles with the spear and a lot of other Greek heroes

  • @bouncin13
    @bouncin1310 ай бұрын

    This is the class for playing a demigod! Wait didn't we already have fighters?

  • @EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE737

    @EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE737

    10 ай бұрын

    Compare all the ikons thing to 2+ to hit and level one fighter feats and medium/heavy armor proficiency and you'll know who's the true god of pathfinder

  • @jerekheadrick3379

    @jerekheadrick3379

    10 ай бұрын

    You say that as a joke but genuinely think this class should've just been an archetype as all martial characters are ment to be godlike at high levels anyway

  • @ankitk236

    @ankitk236

    10 ай бұрын

    Fighter is the true God of combat, exemplar is rookie demigod at best

  • @TheDimir

    @TheDimir

    9 ай бұрын

    ​@@jerekheadrick3379Casting earthquake by sheer power of you enraged ass is kinda godlike.

  • @AlexHogue_Robo-Researcher
    @AlexHogue_Robo-Researcher10 ай бұрын

    Pro tip: feet soaking in ice water don't make any noise while filming!

  • @commenter1430
    @commenter143010 ай бұрын

    Thief of moonlight is more userful in the fact that dazzling a creature gives concealment, which can then be used to hide and attack an enemy off guard

  • @onlynormalperson
    @onlynormalperson10 ай бұрын

    I wanna use this class to make a pastiche of Zagreus from Hades, probably using a fighter archetype.

  • @amiablereaper

    @amiablereaper

    10 ай бұрын

    I might do that as well at some point Maybe Duskwalker or Tiefling to represent the Cthonic heritage Although the way I play Zagreus I'd try and force a gunslinger archetype lmao Rail for life!

  • @aformofmatter8913
    @aformofmatter891310 ай бұрын

    Loving the idea of playing irl legends using this class Dm asks you to introduce your character & you go "Hi, I'm John Henry, & I'll die with this hammer in my hand"

  • @FireBowProductions
    @FireBowProductions10 ай бұрын

    Based on the wording of Thief of Moonlight, the Immanence could trigger on a Reactive Strike if the enemy has one. It just says "attack roll".

  • @LoredanSunstrider
    @LoredanSunstrider10 ай бұрын

    if I understood correctly, in the same manual they're releasing the Exemplar they'll also introduce Mythic Rules. If this paves the way for Wotr 2e I will buy my GM a lifetime supply of pizza to ask him if he would allow me to recreate a Paladin of Shizuru I had made for Wotr 1e as an Exemplar in 2e.

  • @LeviathanTamer31

    @LeviathanTamer31

    10 ай бұрын

    Winter 2024! Excitement!

  • @Shadow-bk1im

    @Shadow-bk1im

    10 ай бұрын

    Can you clarify what mythic rules are and when they are coming. Secondly what is Wotr?

  • @LeviathanTamer31

    @LeviathanTamer31

    10 ай бұрын

    @@Shadow-bk1im Sure thing! So, Mythic was a set of supplementary rules to Pathfinder 1st Edition. The idea behind them was that you through some method gained access to Mythic Power, which is a vague term meant to imply a Greater Power of some variety. Be it a spark of divinity, a powerful blessing of the gods, the weight of your destiny becoming so great that it spills over into reality, etc etc etc Whatever it was, it gave you access to the Mythic Paths, a secondary class system that leveled purely off of milestone achievements. These Mythic Paths largely served to enhance your current abilities rather than add onto them directly. Hence the name of the paths themselves in 1e. Archmage, Champion, Guardian, Hierophant, Trickster, and Marshal. However the way that they enhanced your abilities brought your abilities far above what should be capable for your level, for example by Level 5, my Gunslinger Champion could land hits that did triple digit damage, something that would normally place her at Lvl 10+. The Mythic Rules for Pathfinder 2e are coming sometime during Winter 2024. As for WotR, it stands for *Wrath of the Righteous* a video game created by Owlcat Studios that lets you play as a Mythic Hero.

  • @Shadow-bk1im

    @Shadow-bk1im

    10 ай бұрын

    @@LeviathanTamer31 Oh yeah I did play through most of Wrath of the Righteous. Also for the Mythic rules would that allow you to fight some of the cr 30 creatures like gods that exist in pathfinder 2e. Because currently I don't see how you could fight them even at max level.

  • @LeviathanTamer31

    @LeviathanTamer31

    10 ай бұрын

    @@Shadow-bk1im With my Gunslinger, I could hit 2.4k on a Crit if I dumped nearly half my mythic points into a single shot. My average damage was 600. I'm certain that the 2e rules will be more balanced. But presumably we're aiming for something similar that would allow Lvl 20 players to fight CR 30 monsters.

  • @tmac2744
    @tmac274410 ай бұрын

    I am a bit more enthused about Sea's Claim than Nonat1s is. If you stay within 60 feet of your squishy players you suddenly become a great defense for them against melee enemies that get close. For more fun, you can reposition the enemy squishies in front of you, the fighter and rogue on your team to really mess with them. Additionally, nowhere in the the text does it state that the enemy has to be repositioned to a safe spot, meaning that you can also reposition them into environmental hazards. Fighting a bunch of enemies on a bridge over lava? If they aren't immune to the damage, drop them over the sides. Admittedly, it isn't going to be as effective against things with high Fort saves, but if you can take out the enemy ranged attackers, who usually have lower Fort, you can make the overall combat FAR easier. The big thing to remember about the Transcend abilities is that they can only be used ONCE PER ROUND, and that your spark then immediately shifts to a different Ikon. A useful exploit when an immanence isn't useful is to use the Transcend ability, which is almost always useful, and then have the spark switched to an Ikon with a more useful Immanence. This places it above the Shift Immanence action in action economy, unless it is a two action Transcend and you NEED that extra action. As an example: You are fighting a golem and you have your body Ikon Gaze Sharp as Steel imbued. Ranged defense is not your biggest priority, doing damage is. Use the Transcend - A Moment Unending to get a Reactive Strike and switch the spark to your war hammer with the weapon Ikon Titan's Breaker and get immediate access to its immanence which can be used with that Reactive Strike to hit the golem if it makes a triggering action. If it is actually one of those clockwork entities sanctified with Holy, Vow of Mortal Defiance would not go wrong here either. Just a few of my observations.

  • @steel5315
    @steel531510 ай бұрын

    Damn I literally couldnt even hear the fan once you turned it on. You could have had it on the whole time and I would have had no idea lmao.

  • @364dragonrider
    @364dragonrider10 ай бұрын

    I like how there is a reoccuring mechanical motif where Exemplars’ abilities just happen with no save, it reflects their whole thing of divine authority.

  • @andrewgavrilov7273
    @andrewgavrilov727310 ай бұрын

    1. Light Armor is not a problem. The character could start with Str 18 and Dex 16 to get baseline AC right away. Or, it's better to start with Dex 14, suffer with AC 1 point lower than baseline till level 5 and get all the good then. It doesn't decrease survivability and you don't have to be Dex-based 2. Gleaming Blade is like Double Slice, but unlike Double Slice you could use it with 2-handed sword

  • @nickjackson2660
    @nickjackson266010 ай бұрын

    I kind of wish they only got simple weapons, not for any mechanical reasons but the flavor of being a monster with a club or a sling or something seems very on theme to me

  • @trevorksanders
    @trevorksanders10 ай бұрын

    Reap the Field with Investigator dedication with Stratagem on the second target. It is no longer a gamble, just have to start next to the first target for action econ.

  • @lucbergeron5478

    @lucbergeron5478

    10 ай бұрын

    Devise on Mook A, Reap the Field first strike on Mook B, move to finish RtF on Mook A. Seems to check out to me

  • @keonprs5800

    @keonprs5800

    10 ай бұрын

    thanks fore the character idea

  • @TheVampireking330
    @TheVampireking33010 ай бұрын

    yea, i made a vampire exemplar with a scythe that has drink your enemies on it with the scar body one. healing is pretty damn nutty. Fun though.

  • @Norman_Noone

    @Norman_Noone

    10 ай бұрын

    The vampire is an undead, and the Drink ability has Healing and Vitality, so it would heal you 0 HPs

  • @TheVampireking330

    @TheVampireking330

    10 ай бұрын

    @norman_noone7600 aww man, I missed that. That blows hard.

  • @JustAnotherJames3

    @JustAnotherJames3

    10 ай бұрын

    ​​@@TheVampireking330I know, I absolutely hate that it has the positive trait on it... Like, the extremely vampiric ability... can't work on vampires...

  • @TheVampireking330

    @TheVampireking330

    10 ай бұрын

    @@JustAnotherJames3 that's what I'm saying. It's very vampirism flavored.

  • @Motleydoll123

    @Motleydoll123

    10 ай бұрын

    I wonder if the gm might still allow or overlook it because it's a cool idea and fits the theme.

  • @lithrandil290
    @lithrandil29010 ай бұрын

    This class has so many mythology references. Diarmuid, Atlas, etc. I'm salty about Sunwrecker though ^^ If it was for ranged weapons it could be a reference to Hyouji (legendary chinese hero who shot down nine suns)

  • @runedoom

    @runedoom

    10 ай бұрын

    There's not one but two references to my boy -Irish heracles- Cú Chulainn, with both Gaebulg's thorns and warp spasms as feats.

  • @lithrandil290

    @lithrandil290

    10 ай бұрын

    @@runedoom yep only listed in two because there are so many ^^

  • @exomancer3632

    @exomancer3632

    10 ай бұрын

    Sunwrecker feels like it is pretty directly Maui pulling the sun with his hook.

  • @tmac2744

    @tmac2744

    10 ай бұрын

    ones that jumped out at me were: Maui (whom I would bet good money the Iconic is based upon) - Humble Strikes, Brave, Born of the Bones of the Earth, Thief of Moonlight, Gaze Sharp as Steel, Noble Branch, Victor's Wreath, Vow of Mortal Defiance, Leap the Falls, Hurl at the Horizon, Dominion Signifier, Compliant Gold, Destined Victory, Strike Rivers Seize Winds, A Place Beyond Mortality Cú Chulainn - Brave, Peerless Under Heaven, The Last Ruler, Eye Catching Spot, Noble Branch, Vow of Mortal Defiance, Leap the Falls, Hurl at the Horizon, Reactive Strike, Warped by Rage, Destined Victory A mix of Myth and MCU in these: Thor - Brave, Whose Cry is Thunder, The Last Ruler, Scar of the Survivor, Titan's Breaker, Skybearer's Belt, Vow of Mortal Defiance, Only the Worthy, Dominion Signifier, Journey of the Sky Chariot, Warped by Rage, Destined Victory Loki - Cunning, Peerless Under Heaven, Thief of Moonlight, Eye Catching Spot, Gleaming Blade, Twin Stars, Thorns of Mortality, Through the Needle's Eye, Mated Birds in Paired Flight, Infinite Blades Celestial Arrow How about the Iliad and the Odyssey: Helen of Troy - Eye Catching Spot (what do YOU think sparked the whole thing?) Achilles - Peerless Under Heaven, Victor's Wreath, Skin of Horn, Vow of Mortal Defiance, Destined Victory Paris - Thief of Moonlight (how he took Helen), Fated Shot, Vow of Mortal Defiance, Thorns of Mortality, Eternity Incinerating Blaze Odysseus - Cunning, The Last Ruler, Victor's Wreath, Through the Needles Eye Those were just a few I noticed.

  • @GoblinLord

    @GoblinLord

    10 ай бұрын

    I didn't even realize it doesn't work for Hou Yi, I'm stricken with grief

  • @amiablereaper
    @amiablereaper10 ай бұрын

    Thoughts I'm having rn "A cunning exemplar with a d10 2 handed Battle Lute sounds hilarious" "Ooh Mournful is actually something I'd love to build a character around, storywise" "I wonder if I could talk a gm into letting me use lethal Juggling Clubs so I can make Gamzee Markara"

  • @The.Keene.Edge.
    @The.Keene.Edge.10 ай бұрын

    Something I figure I should point out is that if you read the rules for Spark Transcendence it specifies a frequency of 1/round. So regardless of how many actions a Transcendence action takes you can Spark Transcendence only once per round. The healing abilities can still be really good though. Very well done video otherwise.

  • @lizagna3299
    @lizagna329910 ай бұрын

    Letting a player run a character with this play test, I fear for my safety :3

  • @blueperry5409
    @blueperry540910 ай бұрын

    Thinking of an Android Exemplar linked to Casandalee

  • @wingedwolf9660
    @wingedwolf966010 ай бұрын

    Complete the heroes journey is hilarious. You, as the teacher of heroes, fulfill all the old master stereotypes by making yourself substantially likelier to die so that the “new” heroes can rise and avenge your death😂

  • @lordgeneralmilitantdeezy7550

    @lordgeneralmilitantdeezy7550

    10 ай бұрын

    Master of Apprentices be like

  • @sercoachshowsoffpathfinder3313
    @sercoachshowsoffpathfinder331310 ай бұрын

    Just started the gatewalkers campaign with one of these.

  • @Revanaught
    @Revanaught10 ай бұрын

    It is wild to me just how much this class's concept lines up perfectly with the first character concept I ever had with my first 5e group.

  • @xylemicarious
    @xylemicarious10 ай бұрын

    Reap the Field vs boss with minions! Wait until you hit the boss, then go crit on the minion lol

  • @Motleydoll123

    @Motleydoll123

    10 ай бұрын

    Yeah. Exemplar looks like they will play in this absolutely bonkers style of performing ridiculously awesome feats of badass nonsense, maybe slightly undercut by moments of embarrassment when things don't go to plan. Like imagine reap the field attack missing as you go for the Mook. The boss laughs at the failure while you try desperately hard to salvage the situation and still look cool.

  • @aspen2007
    @aspen200710 ай бұрын

    IVE BEEN SO EXCITED FOR THIS CLASS! I’ve already made a PC for this playtest, a seamster imbued with a divine need for perfection! Since they’re a seamster, they use shears, which are improved since they’re simple weapons, and use that awesome Twin Star feat to have dual shears.

  • @mythicodm
    @mythicodm10 ай бұрын

    Not sure if you have noise cancelation VST, but that may help you stay cool. Also, mirroring your camera so all the books are written the "correct" way may be an option. It is very distracting. ;-) Love your vids though!

  • @sakurawillows8364
    @sakurawillows836410 ай бұрын

    that water splash effect is a LOT like one of the abilities in PF1 kineticist, which was an Air AoE burst centered on yourself. And it hit EVERYTHING in that burst. You. Your allies. Your enemies. THE EQUIPMENT OF EVERYONE, RISKING BREAKING IT It was SO bad, that *every tier list* would outright go "never take this. NEVER"

  • @kiilgore806
    @kiilgore80610 ай бұрын

    The Exemplar seems interesting. I think what would be really fun, and a way to avoid the 'divine spark main character syndrome' that could be possible with certain players.... is a party of just exemplars. also, the initial mishear/misread that I had for the skybearer's belt woulda been fun/funny. I misheard and quickly misread it as the other way around. so your allies but not you being able to use those actions on two sizes larger than you. Now THAT'D be fun. Especially if ally was playing a tiny lineage, and you were playing a lineage that got perma-enlarged. tiny little doll/sprite wrestling down a titanic-sized (in comparison) dragon.

  • @GoblinLord
    @GoblinLord10 ай бұрын

    "The divine peach flavor is divine" the irony of this while he's reading the class explicitly using Sun Wukong as an inspiration is hilarious

  • @dummy_vicc2976
    @dummy_vicc297610 ай бұрын

    i feel like someone could really abuse this class if they dedicated themselves to it, but tbh that could be said of a lot of other classes too, and the flavour of this class is so good

  • @lordgeneralmilitantdeezy7550
    @lordgeneralmilitantdeezy755010 ай бұрын

    This is essentially a demigod, I know what he said but I call cap because this one is built for demigod characters. This whole thing can be used to build trickster demigods, royal demigods, barbarian hero demigods. This is the demigod class.

  • @Fuckin78
    @Fuckin7810 ай бұрын

    Not sure if anyone has mentioned this but the earthbreaker combined with the titan's breaker can really break down some walls due to razing adding even more damage against objects

  • @elcrestdrakenia9437
    @elcrestdrakenia943710 ай бұрын

    I like the flavor of Exemplar for the most part but the epithets are a bit to specific, especially the weapon and worn epithets. Not really any of the weapon epithets fit a character I think would do really well with the ikon mechanic of the Exemplar. Hopefully they add more.

  • @tunfisktun
    @tunfisktun10 ай бұрын

    i think it might be the coolest class of them all.

  • @zenvariety9383
    @zenvariety938310 ай бұрын

    Exemplar sounds like a good class for characters to have as an archetype.

  • @lovelaven6491
    @lovelaven649110 ай бұрын

    Nice rundown, would be a fun class to give a try. And I like the haircut, it really suits you.

  • @keve5534
    @keve553410 ай бұрын

    The water one is great for caster heavy parties as you can pull enemies into field effects and away from allies forcing a move

  • @SemkOld
    @SemkOld10 ай бұрын

    I love how he’s telling people that Kineticist deep dive will be out when it’s out, yet he’s somehow had enough time and attention to script a deep dive for Animist and Exemplar.

  • @HenshinFanatic

    @HenshinFanatic

    10 ай бұрын

    To be fair, these are just playtest versions.

  • @TheNaturalnuke

    @TheNaturalnuke

    10 ай бұрын

    There’s a lot going on with Kineticist tbf

  • @SemkOld

    @SemkOld

    10 ай бұрын

    @@HenshinFanatic Why would that matter? The play test has more content than the Kineticist class when looking at it as a whole. I’d understand if the Kineticist script clocks in at 1.15.00, but let’s be honest, it’s gonna be 45.00 max.

  • @Animenite97

    @Animenite97

    10 ай бұрын

    he also said that he wanted to do more with it than just reading the class in a video. It would be like this, according to Nonat.

  • @austin80112
    @austin8011210 ай бұрын

    Definitely doing a dual-weapon air repeater exemplar with guns themed after storms with them being called thunder and lightning.

  • @allenbroussard1451

    @allenbroussard1451

    10 ай бұрын

    you only get a single weapon ikon, but yeah, air repeater is usable with this class.

  • @austin80112

    @austin80112

    10 ай бұрын

    @@allenbroussard1451 Nah, there's a feat that lets you turn your single weapon into two. It specifies that they gave the same powers, etc but that they have to be the same weapon type.

  • @OnlyShadowkin
    @OnlyShadowkin6 күн бұрын

    I am playing one now, and it is nuts. I Did also take the Champion Arch feat which gives you heavy armor right away at level 2. So I am pretty sure I am about to be OP. I have been loving it. I play with the Scar the Bangles and the Barrow edge, and switching from one to the other is super easy and fun. when I get to dazzle for no save it's going to be a good time. We also have a we also have a commander and a kineticist so our auras are over lapping frequently. I have been having a good time.

  • @Grom_the_Paunch
    @Grom_the_Paunch10 ай бұрын

    Will tell you tomorrow when I playtest it. Sounds fun, we'll see if it's game breaking in current format.

  • @mercraus
    @mercraus10 ай бұрын

    I appreciate you bringing us quality content while living on the surface of the sun! 😅

  • @Quinini76
    @Quinini7610 ай бұрын

    Thanks to you, Editor-sama

  • @ivebeengrillin9748
    @ivebeengrillin974810 ай бұрын

    This dude goes hard. I want to make a campaign where the party gets to team up with an NPC of this class

  • @nonperson3045
    @nonperson304510 ай бұрын

    Real quick: the goal with Gaze Sharp As Steel is that you'd have the Body Ikon against a ranged foe, and once you got within melee of that ranged foe, you'd transcend to your Weapon Ikon, forcing them to Step or incur Reactive Strikes. It's synergistic in the sense that it is procedural. Basically, Gaze is for fighting AGAINST a ranged target - the bonus to Perception helps with Seek checks to break a foe's Hidden condition.

  • @EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE737
    @EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE73710 ай бұрын

    LET'S GOOOOO FINALLY A CLASS WHO CAN MAKE SICKLES VIABLE

  • @CrownlessStudios
    @CrownlessStudios10 ай бұрын

    One Moment till Glory seems like it would also allow a new saving throw on things like critically failed Feeblemind or Dominate, which is crazy good.

  • @Xararion
    @Xararion10 ай бұрын

    Honestly: exemplar is a class that just by itself sold me the idea of playing PF2 because it just seemed so interesting and fun that I want to try that. I like playing technical dps characters with lot of flair, and that the class seems like it has. I also prefer light armour characters.

  • @numberxx4861
    @numberxx486110 ай бұрын

    Something I want to point out, both the Examplar and the Animist are to be introduced in the book introducing the Mythic ruleset and we don't know how those rules will interact with the classes, or how much more challenging Mythic tier encounters will be. Personaly, as good as these classes are, they currently don't quite feel 'Mythic' to me yet. Now the Duel-Class rule set as standard, combinded with taking the Examplar or Animist might change that. Or maybe I'm not great at judging class power, who knows?

  • @exomancer3632
    @exomancer363210 ай бұрын

    Peerless Under Heaven has a lot of problems. 1. It doesn't get the skill feat/bonus effect. If you want to say you get more variety with damage type the option to choose damage type only applies to 3 abilities, all of which are level 15 or higher. I guess you do get more variety if you use a versatile weapon, but only in that case. 2. Critical Specialization is weaker than the other immanences. 3. Reap the Field is mathematically worse than just attacking twice. Nothing in the text clearly suggests that the two attacks do anything other than their normal damage. Transcending for a half action that hurts your accuracy is a bad idea. Easily fixed by making it actually double or nothing (something like combining the attacks' damage and sound it to both targets, or even saying that if one crits and both hit they both crit).

  • @foxcloak
    @foxcloak10 ай бұрын

    I can't speak to much to balance but I have a have few 1e characters who my gm has advised that if we were going to switch to 2e, this would be one of their better fits. Cleric/Paladin, Monk/Druid and Brawler/Samurai for the three 1e characters that might fit. I just love these folk hero inspired characters, I'm currently building a Exemplar with free archetype Gunslinger for their west marches 2e game and I'm extremely excited.

  • @aaronthomas3258
    @aaronthomas325810 ай бұрын

    Gaze Sharp As Steel: I think the idea is for the Exemplar to fight in melee and (hopefully) avoid ranged attacks beyond the melee. Transcend it when there's no longer a ranged threat, and get reactive strike. Could also be for approaching and locking down ranged foes.

  • @jonday2594
    @jonday25948 ай бұрын

    Great video nonat🎉

  • @judgedredd2039
    @judgedredd20398 ай бұрын

    I like it, I wonder what its archetype will look like.

  • @TheLibGamer
    @TheLibGamer10 ай бұрын

    I couldn't hear the fan when it was on 1 at the end... so don't suffer that much for us. Have it on 1 (at least) for future recordings if you feel you need it

  • @williamlaidlow4631
    @williamlaidlow463110 ай бұрын

    Hey I love your work!

  • @Nonat1s

    @Nonat1s

    10 ай бұрын

    Hey I love this comment!

  • @nathanmitchell9695
    @nathanmitchell969510 ай бұрын

    To answer the final question about whether they've done this well, I would say yes...except that the Champion archetype would be kinda broken on them. That's not a problem with the class, that's a problem with the Champion archetype.

  • @richardsuplee8137
    @richardsuplee813710 ай бұрын

    This is great. I do worry about this hijacking the story but thats a session 0 discussion and i feel like tbe rare status worksnon that. I'm new to pf2e (thanks for the help of your videos btw) but this seems flashy but reasonable. The fact that you need to switch from your ikons makes a lot of your abilities inconsistent. You can dona lot of what other classes do but not all the time

  • @Soofkin
    @Soofkin10 ай бұрын

    I take it back pokke village theme is great for this videos

  • @Citadel97501
    @Citadel9750110 ай бұрын

    I love the ideas of this class, and I think this one is just more fun than the other martials which I find boring.

  • @johanhalvarsson2148
    @johanhalvarsson214810 ай бұрын

    19:02 "If you miss, if you roll that nat one". Yeah, I've only played half a campaign but so far the number to beat seems to be around 13 to hit something.

  • @WillisMacvalin
    @WillisMacvalin10 ай бұрын

    Love the video!. The music is really good in this vid, can anyone tell me what the track is called and where it's from?

  • @KnicKnac
    @KnicKnac10 ай бұрын

    I remember the class name in 3.5, but I think it was focused more on skills wnd majing you a monster at skill checks

  • @PaulDominguez
    @PaulDominguezАй бұрын

    Looks fun. Hope it becomes official

  • @GryphonDes
    @GryphonDes9 ай бұрын

    Living the Moana fantasy ! Too damned FUN!

  • @ryanveltman4128
    @ryanveltman412810 ай бұрын

    You say Gaze as Sharp as Steel is really good for a ranged character, but nothing really in the Ikon shows that its specifically for a ranged character. I think you misunderstood the +2 ac bonus AGAINST ranged attacks. The Reactive Strike is still good because you're probably taking this on a melee based character

  • @KefkeWren
    @KefkeWren10 ай бұрын

    Honestly, I couldn't even hear his fan over my fan.

  • @christhiancosta1844
    @christhiancosta184410 ай бұрын

    Wound the world seems a reference to Sarenrae :v That said damage wise it's seems so low, like, sure 60ft line and prone but I don't think the DC is going to be very great and 2d6 kinda take the flashiness away from this

  • @allenbroussard1451

    @allenbroussard1451

    10 ай бұрын

    its 60 ft line. You can hit 12 guys with it potentially.

  • @christhiancosta1844

    @christhiancosta1844

    10 ай бұрын

    @@allenbroussard1451 I still stand by what I said let's ignore the low low probability that you're facing that many foes at once AND they for some reason get into a conga line - chances are most will make the save because you're only trained and 2d6/2 is poor even if the feature is mechanically sound in some situations it still fails to be cool and enticing for poor resolution

  • @allenbroussard1451

    @allenbroussard1451

    10 ай бұрын

    @@christhiancosta1844 The class is in playtesting to address these issues. I noticed myself that exemplar does not scale very well past mid levels compared to other classes but it is a bit overloaded at low level.

  • @kevingross4141
    @kevingross414110 ай бұрын

    NFW! Those aren't coming anywhere near my campaign.

  • @Schdt
    @Schdt10 ай бұрын

    Sounds fun and bonkers

  • @mistaree8394
    @mistaree839410 ай бұрын

    Off the top of my head, I have....concerns. I am a firm believer in actual experience though. We shall see.

  • @arturkushukov1815
    @arturkushukov181510 ай бұрын

    I'm having some difficulty finding a decent archetype for my fire/earth kineticist. Exemplar might be it.

  • @irwingbrasil
    @irwingbrasil10 ай бұрын

    Judment from clear skies (lightning transcend) let you throw an melee weapon that isn't a thrown weapon? It says your first range or 30ft, if range is 0...

  • @Failypso
    @Failypso10 ай бұрын

    About using your 'super power' every turn: Can't you just transfer the power to the weapon Ikon, use the special ability (moving it back to where it came from) and rinse & repeat that every round? Sure, that uses two actions in total, but since you're using a special attack that is probably worth moren than just attacking twice. In my mind, this is would let you do massive damage every turn, and help you ending your turn with utility or defensive passive to boot. Or (assuming you start with your weapon ikon active: Use the attack, and in the 2nd action activate the weapon icon again to be ready for next turn). I'm not seeing the downside there, assuming the attack is strong enough. And that still leaves you an action to do that second attack if you need it. What am I missing?

  • @allenbroussard1451

    @allenbroussard1451

    10 ай бұрын

    Its an action tax for more consistant damage but lower total damage. You can do it if thats what your going for yes. Just like thaumaturge and intensify vunerability.

  • @L1ghtning
    @L1ghtning10 ай бұрын

    While Reap the Field is very flavorful it is actually really bad. The only benefit over just using two actions to attack twice is the half Stride and that the second attack doesn't have an increased MAP yet. Which yes having a second attack without an increase in MAP is nice other feats you can get through multiclass archetypes are just as good or better, but also Reap has the drawback of causing the first attack to deal no damage if the second misses and both attacks have to be at different enemies. On top of all this is the fact that it is also a Transcend ability. Would be okay, but not great, if you didn't have to hit on the second attack for the first attack to deal damage.

  • @Motleydoll123

    @Motleydoll123

    10 ай бұрын

    Maybe the way to modify reap the field to be better is to make it more than 2 targets. Like maybe you have it scale to more possible targets with level, each success feeding into the next gamble until you chose to stop,run out of targets or luck runs out. That could really make reap the field something special when all goes your way. High level max success reap the fields turning armies of mooks into wheat before your blade.

  • @Atrianpaul
    @Atrianpaul10 ай бұрын

    as titan's braker affect items... if a foe try to shield block you an attack that mean that they lose 2 point for the spirit damage and x point of health because the weapon damage?.... that pasive is a shield braker

  • @allenbroussard1451

    @allenbroussard1451

    10 ай бұрын

    the spirit damage ignores hardness, but the rest of your damage doesnt. Wont really be affected by shield block unless they block all your damage (and you then still hit for 2).

  • @Atrianpaul

    @Atrianpaul

    10 ай бұрын

    @@allenbroussard1451 what I mean is that shield get 2-8 damaga plus what the rest of the weapon damage is left after hardness per hit you block.... at low levels not many shield will survive the 2 blow... some even the first (buckler has 6/3 HP/BT and you already inflict 2. wooden shield is 10/5 and steel shield is 20/10 the last one can posibly take 3 hit)

  • @fmaho3139
    @fmaho313910 ай бұрын

    Might be a weird question... But what is that background music? It sounds super familiar...

  • @kaiper9982
    @kaiper998210 ай бұрын

    Doctor.

  • @SimonClarkstone
    @SimonClarkstone10 ай бұрын

    18:06 Does this have the Bag of Rats problem? I don't know Pathfinder well enough to tell.

  • @LeviathanTamer31

    @LeviathanTamer31

    10 ай бұрын

    Theoretically, yes. You can trigger it on any successful Strike. However due to the action economy and the fact that this can only be used once every few rounds, it's much more difficult to set up some kind of target for a Strike.

  • @kiilgore806

    @kiilgore806

    10 ай бұрын

    Pathfinder newb here too, (beginner box first time planned for tomorrow actually! :D) but... I don't think so... for multiple reasons. 1. it specifies foe. creatures in your captivity, in such a contained state to not be a threat I doubt could be considred foes. 2... action economy. strike takes an action, the trancendence thing takes an action. I believe taking out the bag of rats would take an action, that you'd need to do first, because trancendence specifies previous action was a successful strike that's all 3 of your actions, leaving it to only work with 1handed weapons. (as I saw on foundry changing a 2handed weapon's grip takes an action) 3, what benefit do you get? the first strike has to hit. the second strike against the rat has to hit... for no benefit; crits are doubled damage, so normal strike would be normal damage, while the critical strike would be the critical damage; not crit damage to both. and then the reverse (rat first then foe)... you'd need to be close enough to stride-strike in the first place, since it only gives you half. So..... one fringe case where 'bag of rats' problem would be applicable I GUESS. foe you're targeting is a stride and a half away from you. ally dropped a considered-foe rat one stride away. you stride towards rat. (1) you attack rat (2) use trancendence. (3) to stride half and strike. but guess what? you could just stride twice then strike for the same effect and no risk of missing the rat. (if even possible to miss at that level; nat 1 total would need to be a crit to be impossible to miss I believe, since nat 1s and 20s make them one degree worse/better respecively ) So unless there's some other 'on strike' effect you need or something like that to necessitate an extra strike, then this feature probably doesn't have the bag of rats problem. even then, it'd be the 'on strike' feature that'd be facing the bag of rats problem more than this.

  • @xuklysc
    @xuklysc10 ай бұрын

    I don't know if nonat is a good seller or the class is a tad OP

  • @jjblu_
    @jjblu_10 ай бұрын

    I feel like they sit with Kineticist in terms of power, no resource abilities that are spell like but weaker then spells

  • @itsmefirefox
    @itsmefirefox10 ай бұрын

    I love this class wish they would go a little stronger because it is rare.

  • @allenbroussard1451

    @allenbroussard1451

    10 ай бұрын

    this is the strongest level 1 class in the game atm, no questions asked. It might fall off at mid level a bit though.

  • @nathanmitchell9695
    @nathanmitchell969510 ай бұрын

    Titan Breaker would be really strong against Shield Block.

  • @thatgrimdude1453
    @thatgrimdude145310 ай бұрын

    Kaladin Stormblessed kinda sounds like a baller exdmplar to build. What feats to take for some gravity-defying shenanigans?

  • @exomancer3632

    @exomancer3632

    10 ай бұрын

    The one that gives you flight perhaps?

  • @leoramirez3356

    @leoramirez3356

    10 ай бұрын

    if you take the soulforger archetype and choose armor, at level 8 you get can flight speed with the right essence, its once per day and only for a minute tho, but it can help to get access to flight before being able to get the rune.

  • @themightyphill1853
    @themightyphill185310 ай бұрын

    this is the earliest ive been in a long time, within the first 300 views lol

  • @Jason-iy9yc
    @Jason-iy9yc10 ай бұрын

    Where is Sinclair's Library

  • @squeakyuniform53
    @squeakyuniform5310 ай бұрын

    Your fan on 1 doesn't carry noise to the mic as far as I could tell at the end of your video.

  • @jamesmachado7357
    @jamesmachado735710 ай бұрын

    Healing 1d8 per 2 levels if too powerful, they are a DPS class. They are not a healer. Pathfinder is a teamwork oriented game, not a "lets all roll up self sustaining charters". You see these even with Battle Medicine that you can also use it once pers day per character. This heal should be something they can do once every 10 minutes similar to Champion Lay hands. It should require a focus as it falls out of the DPS that they are designed for.

  • @itsmefirefox

    @itsmefirefox

    10 ай бұрын

    Again it rare I rather have something cool like this but GM can say no

  • @jamesmachado7357

    @jamesmachado7357

    10 ай бұрын

    So what does that mean to Organize play? What does that mean to people coming into the game system and expecting all class to contribute in a unique way and fairly balanced? The strength of 2e has been its balance, you get this and give up that. In my own games of course I would say no, but I don't want to play organize play with a table full of exemplars because they can do it all in combat.@@itsmefirefox

  • @Moloch_SC

    @Moloch_SC

    10 ай бұрын

    @@jamesmachado7357it’s not really as much of a concern as your making it, exemplar healing is so much lower than something like an oracle or cleric that really it’s more supplemental than anything, it’s more an exchange for lacking medium Armor

  • @amiablereaper

    @amiablereaper

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@Moloch_SCyeah it's just an alternate defense mechanism, and even then it's a pretty iffy one, especially against boss monsters. Higher damage and more crits lead to a lot of burst damage, which has been traditionally the best answer to self healers

  • @allenbroussard1451

    @allenbroussard1451

    10 ай бұрын

    its really not. Has no flat bonus to it and the AC will only be at best upper mid tier if you go all defensive ikons. Its strong if your doing an attrition based dungeon crawl as they will always be full hp, but thats honestly not a big deal for more of pf2e.

  • @ethanj8728
    @ethanj872810 ай бұрын

    Boi using the Monster Hunter music goin on

  • @christhiancosta1844
    @christhiancosta184410 ай бұрын

    I really really don't like it seems so many effects are cooler or some better for ranged than melee

  • @amiablereaper

    @amiablereaper

    10 ай бұрын

    Yeah the whole "light armor" thing also really doesn't incentivize melee either

  • @allenbroussard1451

    @allenbroussard1451

    10 ай бұрын

    The class is very good as a ranged martial that buffs the party yes, but you can also build a very tanky melee with it. if you forgo charisma and focus on the healing abilities, you can get passable AC/damage/health regen all at the same time which makes you good for drawn out combats.

  • @thatoneguy1477
    @thatoneguy147710 ай бұрын

    Icons....ikons...mortal combat...mortal kombat?

  • @mayaaaluna
    @mayaaaluna10 ай бұрын

    Jfc this class is for people who want to play like Tales Of series characters

  • @FornaxusCrucible
    @FornaxusCrucible4 ай бұрын

    I'm of the opinion that ALL trucks outside your window are garbage. Heh.... heh.

  • @nyx234
    @nyx23410 ай бұрын

    Observed.

  • @Animenite97
    @Animenite9710 ай бұрын

    Literally one view when I clicked this video. I am VERY early.

  • @RBloom0566
    @RBloom056610 ай бұрын

    I am truly not loving a whole lot of the revisions they’re cranking out for 2e!

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