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@vvsandgaming4648

Жыл бұрын

could the weapon implement be an unarmed strike?

@keycriticism

9 ай бұрын

I was WAY too late on this Kickstarter. Too bad I just started PF2E!

Implements empowerment is 2 damage per damage dice so you might be missing out on even more damage

@rayvalkren1950

Жыл бұрын

And now NoNat1s mind has been blown again! :)

@yuven437

Жыл бұрын

Came here for this

@cptncutleg

Жыл бұрын

2d4+4 at level 1 is no joke

@maxisses2709

Жыл бұрын

1-handed weapons are normally 2 dmg less on average, see longsword (1d8=4,5 dmg) and greatsword (1d12=6,5 dmg). thaumature can only use 1 handed weapons and no shields, so this is to help them stay "on curve" with others. they will deal the same damage as fighters with 2h weapons, but less than barbarians.

Unarmed strikes too as well as ranged attacks! Drawing your weapon takes an action and you don't need to draw your teeth

@tirenthfox9550

Жыл бұрын

I'm working on a kitsune with Foxfire. I was giggling maniacly when I realized the damage boosts would apply.

@tylerjohnfrederick

2 ай бұрын

Vishkanya not having bite that’s already envenomed is a hard pill to swallow.. especially since they don’t even start with bite!

Obviously a Thaumaturge with the juggler archetype then. Juggling throwing knives and your implements. Now I need to see this made.

I love the Marshal archetype with the Thaumaturge. You buff your friends and debuff your enemies

Yo!!! This dude is a vampire!!! Anybody else peep them fangs?

Showing some appreciation for the "throwing the pdf out of the window" joke. Good stuff.

Another good thing I would suggest is to look at Charisma based skill feats/actions. It is a charisma based class and using lets say regalia can net you the highest bonus the game for stuff like diplomacy, and intimidation. That means demoralize, bon mot, evangelize can all be amazing options(and great alternatives to using a ranged weapon. I would also say while it is good to pick a well rounded group of implements. It is also perfectly okay to not use all 3. I have a lantern implement as my third implement and I only use it during exploiration. My other two implements are regalia and Wand. Wand I only pull out as my wand ranged option(since I am strength based). Which leaves Regalia my paragon implement to always be active alongside my weapon stacking even more free damage for myself and my allies. ( I also have champion reaction from a dedication which means I can use that instead of a reactive implement) At the end of the day pick what implements fit the character the most, but keep in mind with how they might interact with each other.

To help you guys: 1: Always have ranged weapon at ready, Shortbow is ok 2:Dont forget extra damage from your Implement's Empowerment, 3: Always choose second implement Wisely. 4: Mortal Weakness works on every enemy of the same type. 5: Choose a good Archtye for you : ) !!! Like Sentinel for Armor, Blessed one for Lay of hands for healing and much others ^^ !!!

Complexity? We're running a Double Class+Free Archetype campaign and I'm taking Thaumaturge/Ranger.

oh hey, great timing! i'm playing a Thaumaturge for a one-shot tomorrow

@bobradely8071

Жыл бұрын

Good luck on your game

I already took tip #1 and #5 into consideration when making my level 4 Regalia Thaumaturge with Rogue Archetype and Quick Draw. Can't/don't want to get close this turn? Draw and yeet a javelin covered in Thaumaturge BS Sauce. This also lets me draw my rapier and Strike in a single action too. Very useful for this class imo.

Champion is one of the best archetypes for the Thaumaturge. Skills + Heavy Armor in the dedication, L4 for lay on hands (chalice implement replica), L6 for Champion Reaction (amulet implement replica), L8 for blade ally for free returning rune on your chakram so you can don't lose 1D6 damage rune at L8 since a weapon rune slot is held by the returning rune. Solid for a trident, chakram, or tamchal chakram switch hitter build.

Thaum was the first class I was going to play for my first campaign since it looks like wild fun and I'm usually a forever DM, but honestly, I've changed my mind because of how complex the class is. I'll keep it for another campaign in a few years.

Just did my first session as a level 4 mirror thaumaturge with free archetyping rogue twice. It was pretty amazing to just immediately flank by myself to get the sneak attack damage off for even more damage. Didn’t miss anything with starknifes for ranged, got a squad of living baby necromancer things with weakness to fire for that mortal weakness. Going to take the recommendation to snag the weapon implement when I can for the lovely reaction. I’d definitely recommend going into a race with a flaw so you can boost con/charisma/strength as much as possible. I went higher dex as well for AC and archetype and you def need it. Using agile/finesse so I can get good hits off with my high dex since empower+weakness makes up for my lower strength. The free recall knowledge feat helps a ton though. Had a magus with tons of different damage type cantrips and with my exploit vulnerability we honed in quickly on the weakness so he can start triggering their weakness off devastating spell strike with produce flame. Heck of a session tbh

All around excellent advice, and very timely. Just recently started playing in my first PF2 campaign as a Thaumaturge, only two sessions in. 1) I did take a dagger for throwing just in case but the chakram is a great suggestion, only looked at finesse weapons since I'm focusing more on dex, but thrown still uses dex to attack so chakram's perfect since I'm not planning on meleeing with it anyway. 2-3) Foundry thankfully makes Empowerment automatic (that checkbox is probably gonna be always on), and going for Mirror+Tome so the action economy is checked out as well. 4) Multiple enemy types hasn't really come up yet, since the only fight with multiple enemies of the same type had me missing all my attacks anyway. Probably wouldn't have remembered though, definitely will in the future thanks to this. 5) I was already planning on taking an archetype feat at 4th, since Diverse Lore and Scroll Thaumaturgy are the only feats I really want from the 1-4 selection (we have free archetype and I'm getting Psychic, so I can get both a Psychic feat and basic spellcasting at 4th, and could even get another archetype at 6th). Considering I tend to spend hours upon hours just reading rules and buildcrafting, I'm not surprised that I was already handling most of these, but this video was such a banger. Making this a series would probably not be unreasonable, while most classes are way simpler than Thaumaturge, each class still has stuff you can mess up.

Thank you for the reminder about Archetypes. I was starting to headscratch about what my soon-to-be-2 Thaumaturge was going to take, but your reminder does give me some thoughts.

I'm playing my first character as a Thaumaturge and I can proudly say I didn't make any of these, I considered archetypes but my build was better spent taking other lower level feats, namely scroll Thaumaturgy at 2nd level Edit: I also saved time by getting natural weapons as an amurrun (Catfolk)

@OkamiG15

Жыл бұрын

Props for using the actual name! Seeing different races get actual names they call each other is one of the big things that got my foot in the door for 2e.

I love this type of video!! I would love to see more of this top 5 mistakes series

Great to see Impr0phet get a shoutout here. I was in a game of his and he honestly ran it in a really fun way and was really cool!

Love this format! Also love that you brought up thrown weapons, I hadn’t really considered it as a ranged option as a new player. Two questions: after maxing out charisma, what would be the ability recommendation (or any other recommendation) to be able to 1, switch between melee and ranged? 2, Multiclass into alchemist

@unusualfrog779

4 ай бұрын

Get a ranged weapon with a shifting rune that shifts to a melee weapon, then pick weapon implement so you can benefit from implement bonuses on both melee and ranged

This is kind of a funny coincidence since I am starting Crown of the Kobold King this Saturday with my new Thaumaturge. I really like the advice, although I do not necessarily follow all of it. I don't carry a ranged weapon. I'd rather just charge in to get my strength bonus to damage sooner, plus I enjoy characters that are not ready for every situation, especially at low lvls. And depending on how quickly enemies die you could end up using exploit weakness every turn or every other turn. Also I am super excited for the Thaumaturge feats, I lean heavy into scrolls and talismans and while I love dipping into archetypes, I just didn't really feel that desire while building my Thaumaturge. Too many fun feats you cant get anywhere else.

I'm not sure why my mind went here but I instantly went to look up Backpack Ballista stats for a possible ranged option. It's 1+ hands; my sadness is immeasurable.

In PFS, I remade my old Occultist into a Thaumaturge. Athum focuses mostly on Weapon and Armor (Amulet?) implements.... but his main feature is that he is also a Living Monolith. On one side, it's not quite as cool (and broken) as it was in 1st edition, but the theme is still fun, and it definitely plays on Nonat's idea of delving into Archetypes.

just started playing a thaumaturge for the kingmaker ap. I started with amulet and im planning on getting chalice at 5th, combined they have more damage mitigation than a 6th level stone skin(stone skin gives 10 dr at 6th level while chalice at 5th level gives 4 temp hp and amulet reaction gives 7 dr), at least when fighting the target of your exploit vulnerability

I know I am very late to the party, but I have also noticed the possiblity of having long range as a Thaumaturge and came up with a rather interesting build: -Use either the Breaching Pike or the Asp Coil (or a Gnome Flickmace if you can get the proficiency) -Get the Fighter Dedication and get the Lunge Feat -Become Enlarged, be it through a friendly buff or through an Ancestry With that I created a Thaumaturge can do all their Manipulate actions, while still using their melee weapon with 20 foot range with the Enlarge, but even 15 feet without it is pretty solid.

I recently played as a Thaumaturge in a Halloween zombie survival one-shot. I really "exploited" how Thaumaturge triggers weaknesses on enemies of the same type by archetyping into Gunslinger to get access to a Blunderbuss. Splash damage from the scatter trait activates weaknesses, so I had a 10 foot burst shotgun 😎

Came for more tips on playing a Thaumaturge, stayed for the epic Persona music in the background. Easily one of the best game series ever.

Ah cool! I've seen some of Improphet's stuff an some Discords(though I haven't been on any Discords in a while) and some of it is on Wanderer's Guide(hoping it stays there still)

Hypothetically if you take say the alchemist archetype and you exploit weakness. How does that interact with splash and persistent damage from your bombs?

Thanks for this video! It'll be really useful for thauming some turge.

I solo GM my games with two dual class characters and playing a Leshy for the first time as my Thaumaturge Cleric sidekick in Kingmaker. I did not hesitate taking Seedpod, which functions as infinite throwing daggers. While the damage is low, Exploit Vulnerability makes up for that.

4:45 this is a non issue if you chose the mirror implement. Action 1 draw weapon Action 2 exploit weakness Action 3 mirror implement reflection attack

In regards to point one, how does the Piercing Wind stack up as an option? It can be fired 1 handed, and has a slashing weapon attached. I'm GMing my first pathfinder game this weekend, and I was planning on having a Thaumaturge as something of a guide for my players to start off with, and was wondering if this would be viable (not too worried about optimal, but thought it'd be a nice bit of flavour).

@justmonica9253

Жыл бұрын

A little late, but the piercing wind, similar to the jezail, requires the hand not used to be free. So it doesn't work I think.

For a weapon for Thamy, you could always get a pistol with either a bayonet or reinforced stock attached. Then you get both a range and melee weapon, you don't risk AoO when swaping, as you get runes the attached part also benefits, and the attatched part also can benifit from implement's empowerment as well, aaand unlIke gunblades, you don't have to spend a action to swap to use either bayonet or gun modes. Only thing you spend is taking the feat to realod with your implement hand which for a lv1 flexible choice, I'd say is pretty good. I've made a Thamy with this and it's been rather nice so far for the campaign I'm in ^^

Lol, "my book is a pdf so that would've been expensive" is one of my favorite jokes.

I found a wonderful item that gives my Thaumaturge an always ready ranged weapons and so many options. Check out the Gauntlet Bow. It's got the following traits: Capacity 4, Free Hand, Crossbow, Parry. It's Damage is only a d4 but I think the ability to always have a free hand and get a +1 bonus circumstance to AC as a single action is a wonderful trade off. It works great to close in the gap and once I'm in melee I can buff my AC a little.

This will hopefully helpful for my upcoming Thaumaturge in Abomination Vaults. We play with Free Archetype. My plan is to go with Acrobat and Scroll Trickster Archetype.

Please do mistakes videos like this but for general things like spells and stuff, also do one for wizard

#5 was a big one for me, I was just building a Lv. 11 Semi-Multiclassed Thaumaturge/Rogue (Custom rule, somewhere between archetypes and multiclassing), and the example used here wasnt where I did it, as I thought Esoteric Warden was pretty good, but at Lv. 8, I didnt particularly like any of the feats, so what do we do when we dont like any class feats? Cosmos mystery oracle time, baby.

Thaumaturge made my awesome investigator build pretty much obsolete

I have not made these mistakes because I have yet to play Pathfinder. Check mate

Something you reminded me is that there is a thaumaturge feat that is the same as a archetype dedication feat. That being Thaumaturgic Ritualist and the Ritualist Dedication. They're the same and thus Thaumaturgic Ritualist is arguably worse IMO

I would love to see your take on some of the 'Frontier of Magic' features 3rd-party

Speaking of archetypes, Duelist archetype thaumaturge with duelists challenge for an additional bonus to damage and dueling parry to offset the lower ac values is kinda nutty in my experience Currently level 8 in my campaign so I have 2d8+STR+4+2+ exploit vulnerability, and its hilarious

oh yeah, 0 mistakes baby, and the first class i pick in pathfinder 2e is a thaumaturge with the duelist archetype for the quick draw.

about mistake 5: free archetype is a good option to add to it

I spend a lot of time on Pathbuilder today trying to figure out how to build gunslinging dhampir Thaumaturge (nooo, it's totally original and not just Hellsings Alucard) but maybe I should just build a Barbarian first

Tiefling Kobold Thaumaturge with a Cultist background (they were in charge of studying the Esoterica to actually summon the creatures)

I was running a hand crossbow thaumaturge and my DM allowed the free archetype variant so I picked up ranger and its crossbow ace feat and was doing 2d8+6+exploit vulnerability every turn at level 6

I didn't play PF2e yet and Thamaturge is my second option on my list of classes I want to play (first is sorcerer)

Every character I build from now on is going to have at least one chakram on them at all times.

@Nonat1s

Жыл бұрын

Rings of death. Fantastic, if a little expensive at level 1.

That was great! I was happy to know I didn't make the first mistake focusing on throwing daggers and then adding a returnable rune on the 2nd lvl But the second one, forgetting to use Implement's Empowerment, OMG I AM SO FUCKING STUPID I DIDN'T SEE THIS BEFORE lol Also I took the Exorcist archetype which gave me the exact vibe I was looking for, HIGHLY recommend the mix, so much fun!

I've never made a mistake with the thaumaturge beca- ah dammit

yes throwing weapons is exactly the way I will go with my thaumaturge in kingmaker, slap the lvl2 feat on it for free talismans (even more if you play with free archetype and go for talisman dabbler) now you use youre free talisman for free potency crystals. Put them on different throwing weapons to have +1 striking attacks on demand for free

Bonus mistake: exploit vulnerability is NOT recall knowledge, so you don't get bonus or penalty thar you get to RK

Quite frankly everyone should have a range option. I've been hitting my head against a wall because my melee focused players won't take the hint that the reason they keep having trouble in combat is vs Ranged enemies.

I play a Thaumaturge and think this is spot on!

3:34 I never made these mistakes because I never played a Thaumaturge... BECAUSE I HAVE NO GROUP TO PLAY 2E with! Gotcha! Hahahaha... hahaha.. ha... hm :c

Isn't there a first level feat that lets you use bows or something like that? O.o

@EdgewoodDirk

Жыл бұрын

Yes. Ammunition Thaumaturgy allows you to reload with the hand holding an implement. A bow has a reload of 0, just like the air repeater. It seems most people believe you can't because you have to hold and loose the arrow; even though the feat mentions "arrows" and that the Thaumaturge is used to doing this odd way of fighting.

@THEdeadlynightshade1646

Жыл бұрын

@@EdgewoodDirk thought so listening at work so couldn't check 😂

Weapon thaumaturge with mindsmith archetype.

Where is the inck to archetypes? I think it did not appear

I've never played Pathfinder before. (Decent 5e experience) Joined a campaign and today with be my first ever game. I'm playing a Thaumaturge, at level 9. How boned am I?

Honestly #1 could be in a list like this for most classes. How many times have you said there's baddies up on a ridge or something and the Barbarian/Fighter/Flurry Ranger/etc shrug and go "guess I'll sit this one out, all I have is my sword"? Even if you have 0 dollars left after starting gear, get a sling. They're free, and sling bullets are 1 copper for 10 shots. Either someone will spot you the cash for some bullets or you can probably convince your gm to let you use some rocks you found. Same thing with making sure you have a bludgeoning weapon. Even if you can't afford a cool warhammer or whatever, grab a club. Again, literally free so there's no reason not to.

I haven't made any of these mistakes because I haven't played Pathfinder before. Checkmate.

Wow so I have been using exploit vulnerability and implements empowerment wrong for months 😅 but at least I have been doing the other things right?

My mistake is that I always mix up Thaumaturge with the Magus... so I am looking for feats they don't have... XD

I am sad I didn't manage to get on today's stream

champion thaum is so solid

Are short spears, javelins, hand axes not thrown weapons? Those all seem like logical choices too for a ranged weapon.

Using path builder fixes all these issues

Chakram can't be used for melee attacks

Ha I play a thaumaturge and haven't made any of these mistakes!....yet. Good video!

I've nev- ...how dare you.

Not making a thaumaturge IS a big mistake 🔥

How about the undead Master archetype picture this long ago there was an ancient evil a massive beast said to swallow kingdom's whole most have forgotten that it even exist yet through your esoteric knowledge you know not only it was real you know its name and carry a fragment allowing you to summon a Phantasm of it though much smaller and weaker as you grow in power too can you channel more of its ungodly power first a skeleton and later some of it's flesh

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Lol @ Thaumaturge feats being weak

Would it be stupid idea to someone make a Free Adventure that went from level 1 to level 5 with satisfying story and then sell chapter 2 which goes from level 5 to level 10 "Well, if you like my Free chapter 1 how about you buy the Chapter 2? 😏

I haven't made any of these mistakes because I haven't played a thaumaturge!

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That is a lot of work for just one CPA’s 4 pages not including spells should the max for any class if you need more is to complicated

Ps lose trze mustach or gain a beard

After looking through dozen of impr0phet homebrew on your discord I'm not really convinced to support this Kickstarter. It's quantity over quality most of the time. But to other people reading this I recommend checking those for yourself.

@theevilargonian9251

Жыл бұрын

Gotta agree, unfortunately - plenty of good ideas, but lots of things clearly needed a few more sets of eyes, especially to catch the little things like language particulars or missing traits.