Examining difficult topics of Polish - Ukrainian relations | War, Bandera, Volyn etc
There are many pain points between Ukraine in Poland from the historical perspective. For example: Volyn, Bandera, Lviv uprising etc. But now both countries are closer and friendlier than never before. So let's try to understand why Poland helps Ukraine so much during the war with Russia.
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thank you for treating the conversation with such honesty but also delicacy. Very real.
I am heartened that Poland and Ukraine are looking forward to a cooperative era. While it is important to come to terms with fractious episodes from the past, to let it devolve into stacking up all the instances of animosity over the centuries benefits only russian interests. Ukraine and Poland are a coalition of the future; it is russia that is stuck in the past. 🇺🇦 🇵🇱 💙 🤍 💛❤️
I love the way you give depth to the history of the entire region. I saw a very graphic Polish movie on this topic called Wolyn or Hatred (2016).
During centuries Polish, Lithuanian and Ukrainian nation were one. Together we were stronger and better. That's why we need to remember our past, but never let it foreshadow brighter future we can shape
@realmanjamal
4 ай бұрын
then why tf do they hate us
@evgen84
2 ай бұрын
Ukrainians love to forget their history.
great really interesting video Orest,but the background music is a bit too loud to be honest,next time please give the dialog top priority
We have a lot of Ukraine refugees in Canada and man do we love them. They are filling in massive labour gaps in towns that have had vacant positions for 10+ years. Companies in Canada are asking Ukrainians to call their friends and families back home to see if they want to come work for their company too. 🤣 it's quite interesting, but we recognize it's beyond heartbreaking that they've had to come here in the first place because some sociopath invaded their country. And frankly, what role our governments had in this 2022 invasion when they failed to stop Putin in 2014. So it's hard all around, but we love Ukrainians. 😍
@DeniseSyrett
Жыл бұрын
I wish Americans would realize that we could have lots of Ukrainians here as well, but we’re in this political situation where people can’t talk about immigration with any rationality. Thank you Canada!❤
What a great conversation. The young people of Poland and Ukraine just want to get on with living peacefully. Yet you all know that you have to acknowledge the pain of the past. This is the first of your videos that I have watched. Thank you🇺🇸🇺🇦🇵🇱
Understand and acknowledge the past but be friends now, old battles are best remembered in football matches now. Real contemporary battles with Russia sadly exist and will take a lot of skill and perseverance to resolve to an equitable situation. I wish for a day, when Poland, Ukraine and Russia can all be mutually respecting democratic nations living in peace.
This is very interesting and educational to an American. America is such a young country,, compared to Ukraine, Poland and European countries. It is quite eye-opening to an American!!! I enjoy the conversational way Orest uses in his videos very much. He and his wife, Marta, and Orests' Dad are all so personable and very enjoyable!!! Thankyou so much for these videos and for all you are doing for Ukraine!!! Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦!!!
Unfortunately you didn't mention operation "Vistula". As a Pole, I was flabbergasted when last year I found out what happened in 1947 in my country. We never learned about it in history classes, despite Polish government condemned the Vistula operation in 1990.
@zuborest
2 ай бұрын
All four of my grandparents were deported due to operation “Vistula”.
A very informative good natured discussion. "I have no dog in this fight" -> this maybe a direct translation form Polish to English. More or less the equivalent idiomatic translation is "I have no horse at the this race."
Interesting conversation, shame it was ruined by the background music? Why why why....
Nice. But I'd say it's important to add to all of this comversation the importance of the work of Giedroyć and th "Kultura" paper. Their work helped a lot and paved the way to the recent polish - ukrainin reconcilation. Anyways I can only say that I hope the ties between us will only get stronger.
Thank you Orest for this informative interview. I learned a lot as usual. It’s unfortunate that Bohdan Khmelnytsky made a bad choice regarding the Pereiaslav Agreement of 1654. I moved from New Mexico (same size as Poland) to Oklahoma (same size as Belarus) which is adjacent to Texas (same size as Ukraine). This three state cluster is oddly reminiscent of Poland, Belarus, Ukraine. The right half of the Texas flag is identical to the Polish flag. I didn’t know how Poles feel about my namesake and personal hero Stepan Bandera. That’s too bad. 😟 I’m sorry to hear this. Слава Збройним Силам України Слава Україні. Героям Слава. 🇺🇦
Agree what was said at the end. Young people from Ukraine are strongly helping our economy. As Poles We are eldering nation and we wish more educated young people from Ukraine here.
He is wrong . I undeestand that bandera fight for ukraine but this is more complication banderas people were killed polish people in sadistic way bandera people they did not fight with AK they killed children and eldery few polish viliges gone . I understand that poles did similar but everything need to be counted proper . People needs have cementary . Yes we live with german good now but in germanu nobody say that hitler was ok and build for him monuments . We must to understand that if we dont explain everything russia always will play between us . Poles help you bevouse we also have experience of war but nobody in poland will agreed to forget about Wolyn never . You can see Russian killed a lot of Ukraine people and upu will remember about it .
@pawegoawski1718
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@user-li3gh7ex2e
10 ай бұрын
We need to leave it in the past, but we never forget what Poland did to Ukrainian people and the same Polish about UPA, but for Ukrainians UPA is a symbol of strong nation who fought for freedom even without weapons. Bandera definitely is not as Hitler. Hitler killed nations and invaded other countrie. Bandera fought in Ukraine and for Ukraine. We will never stop calling them heros for many reasons, but at the same time we will never justify their actions in Volyn. This is tragedy and genocide for both of Ukrainians and Polish.
👋👋 Hi Orest... From the Mountians of western North Carolina USA
Great topic. Please lower the volume of the background music.
I'm American so what I think is moot but would be nice if there could be a Polish-Ukrainian commonwealth that would be a dangerous partnership for Russia
One of my best friends is from Poland, I'm Ukrainian Canadian and we get along great.
Way I see it, all this stuff is not really relevant anymore. The world has changed. There are new conflicts and enemies now. It is in Europe's best interest to unite, not be divided over the past.
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Good video, am glad you can discuss these things openly. But one thing i think you have misunderstood is the Polish desire to regain the west of ukraine. As an outsider looking at the actions of the Polish Government every thing the Polish govt has done is consistent with the plan to retake Galicia. Why would Poland want western Ukraine? Answer is it enables Poland to challenge Germany as the primary EU power. Especially now that Germany is weak. Already the Polish military is stronger than the German military.
I don't think that Ukraine was so close to P-L commonwealth. Closer was Belarus also by language and genetically we are more similar with Belorussian's than with Ukrainians. But now there is war in Ukraine so of course we all have to talk about Ukraine like they aren't the most corrupted country in Europe, like their government people don't buy houses with 1000 000' of $ or€ in Switzerland, like weapons we all give them not landing somewhere in the middle east. Genocide in Wolynia and that they never aknowledge it is the best example how little they care about good relations with Poland. And the fact that the bodies of people from Wolynia and other villages are still in some fields. It's showing that also with our government there is something wrong that we are not demanding to let us take and bury them with the dignity they deserve. The thing is I don't think we should help Ukraine now like we did without any conditions. We should be the ones that are demanding, they are not in a position to demand anything.
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interesting. ukraine has such considerations related to hungary and romania as well
Say what you want Orest but Marta is ours so you better get moving and come to Canada, As of yesterday over 900 thousand Ukrainians have applied to come to Canada and by mid year it will be over a million. I can assure you that they are getting a warm welcome and we are busy getting folks settled with homes jobs education you name it. Take it from me A Canadian Ukrainian and we would love to have you. SLAVA UKRAINE!!!
Slava Ukrajini from Belgrade hope you heard for few thousand rockets from Zastava to Ukraine, 🇷🇺 are angry but we will not ever forget that Ukrainian 3rd army liberated Belgrade in ww2 and that we are originally like our neighbors all from Ukraine originally, in time when Moscow was still just forest. Love to Ukraine be brave and on the western EU path for all of us. I heard you speaking Ukrainian it's beautiful language. It's much more similar to our language, then Russian ❤🇷🇸🇺🇦🇲🇰🇲🇪🇭🇷🇸🇮🇧🇦❤
Great example of tolerance! I hope that one day, Russians find the strength to forgive Ukrainians for the atrocities they committed in Donbass, in the same way the Polish totally drew a line on their 200’000 ancestors who were butchered by the Banderites