The jump from Rogue to Pokemon: MD, is... huge. Not an attack, but the title made me think there would be more, since you skipped like 2 stages (or more) of Rogue like/dungeon crawler evolutions.

@OlexaYT

7 ай бұрын

For sure, it’s a 25 year jump. I don’t know many classic roguelike games though, it’s not my channels specialty. So I wasn’t gonna attempt to pretend I knew them

@jamespede6149

6 ай бұрын

Oh! I remember some titles! Moria, Hack, and NetHack were some I played personally.. Castle Of The Winds was on everyone's home PC. I see a lot of sources talking up Angband, but I never heard of it, so how big could it have been, really? ;-) There was a dry spell of video games in the late 80s that Nintendo and Sierra barely pulled us out of. A good friend of the family has been trying to tell us about Caves Of Qud for a year or so, but I have no context.

@DogeLlama

6 ай бұрын

Honestly I prefer this, hearing about about YOUR experiences with these games, as opposed you reading a synopsis off of wikipedia about a bunch of games you haven’t played or, is 100% preferred- I’m only like a 1/4 through the video so far and I’m loving it!

@enrymion9681

6 ай бұрын

Technically it's a pretty minor jump since MD games are actually mechanically extremely similar to Rogue in many ways that other traditional roguelikes aren't thanks to Mystery Dungeon games seemingly being inspired by the game Rogue as it was without the awareness of it trying to emulate D&D and falling short of it in various ways like having just a single attribute called Strength instead of tons of them and not having classes or detailed character creation. Personally I think those "failings" make the game better(higher focus on items and monsters instead of your character build) and thus find most Mystery Dungeon style roguelikes quite interesting.

@KimParkkinen

6 ай бұрын

I cannot remember when it released but DungeonCrawl: Stone Soup and NetHack are probably some of the more well known roguelikes in style of the OG game!

This video has such a great concept. I love seeing the progression of the game design. You can really see how these games build on each other when they’re all lined up like

Re: Dicey Dungeon being the first dice-based Roguelite, Tharsis came out a few years earlier in 2016. Not sure if it was the first but it was pretty good itself.

This is a great video, really cool seeing how the genre has shifted and evolved over time. Been absolutely loving all the videos lately :)

Olexa, your content is just insane lately. Keep it up man. I know the Wheel of Isaac is behind you, but I'm so glad it is. This stuff is really innovative, just like the Wheel of Isaac was. I love it.

Isn't the difference between RogueLITE and RogueLIKE that LITE you play over and over again but still have progresa saved in the form of unlockable content. LIKES are the same as Rogue, you die, you reset, nothing gets saved

@OlexaYT

7 ай бұрын

Not really. The proper definition is that roguelikes must be turn based, ascii based, top down dungeoncrawlers. But there’s so many definitions out there that I find it easier to just call anything remotely of the genre, a roguelike

@OlexaYT

7 ай бұрын

This is literally only 1/3 of the community’s definition of what these are. I simply just don’t care to bother and call them all roguelikes. I have not wavered on this opinion in like 3 years. Lol.

@OlexaYT

7 ай бұрын

It also just like, doesn’t matter at all? It’s just a word. 99% of my viewers don’t care and click on anything with roguelike in the title. When I used to use roguelite and cared about this song and dance years ago, everybody instead told me to just use roguelike because the distinctions were too confusing. Fast forward 4 years and the same 20 people yell at me in every video. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ can’t win

@stinklerton

7 ай бұрын

@@nokstella5shut up nerd

@chessnutgaming8908

7 ай бұрын

​@nokstella5 bro. Why are you so adamant on this? Just watch his videos for entertainment or don't say anything if it makes you look stupid. Who tf cares?

The time jump between Rogue and Pokemon Mystery Dungeon hurt me :( less of a trip through roguelike history and more of a trip through modern roguelikes you like lol

@OlexaYT

6 ай бұрын

It’s more the most influential roguelites over the last 20 years more or less. With a sprinkling of the history at the beginning

@sanny8716

3 ай бұрын

Exactly what I thought as soon as I looked at chapters Could've been interesting to see how we got here, but alas

@cleverman383

2 ай бұрын

Yeah it's clearly made by someone who doesn't respect the actual history of roguelikes

@The_snicker

2 ай бұрын

​@@cleverman383dude it is supposed to be an evolution of the most impactful roguelikes over the years

@cleverman383

2 ай бұрын

@@The_snicker ignoring everything from before it got mainstream success is ridiculous, you're ignoring the entire foundation of the genre just because it started out niche and only got mainstream appeal recently

I hope Ben is able to complete revita 2.0 now that the Publishers was like "Ok... maybe you can push 2.0. Maybe..." Here's hoping they let him.. Edit 47:47 Him hugging that Super Secret wall and not noticing XD He does shoot it but after everything died. Edit 2: 54:30 Super Secret only has the particles on the wall, as you can see in my previous edit. If you shoot the SS Wall, sounds like you're hurting an enemy. There's no music XD

@m5giora

7 ай бұрын

I had only heard that Ben had cancelled all plans for 2.0, but you're saying there is hope?!

@misticalinteractive

7 ай бұрын

@@m5giora Ben never wanted to cancel 2.0, so...yes, they decided to try making 2.0 at least for PC for now, then Switch, other consoles and then Opera GX. It's not 100% possible, but 2.0 is definitely more possible now.

@KitoBallard

7 ай бұрын

@@misticalinteractiveThanks. Seems my reply was eatten up as I also linked to the tweet and KZread (or Olexa) was like "Nah" and deleted it. But yeah. Here's hoping they at least let the PC crew get 2.0

@misticalinteractive

7 ай бұрын

@@KitoBallard Indeed. I hope it will be a huge success, maybe it will come at least for Switch if they will be able to proceed making the game for all problems outside of PC, otherwise PC only is fine.

@MakimKii

7 ай бұрын

Ooh thats a "good" news. Last thing I saw was that 2.0 was just cancelled. I hope ben will release it on pc! I love that game so much

I have to say this was such a wonderful idea traversing the history of roguelikes with such a fun mechanic. Absolute banger video thank you for creating it!

Olexa this video has superb editing. Really enjoyed it, keep up the good work

this is actually crazy dude, huge props

Absolutely love the videos where you play multiple roguelikes! I love the unique idea for this one.

This is honestly such a cool video. I’m not exactly a usual channel watcher, but this is exceptional and deserves a subscription ^^

What a great idea. You missed a couple things between 1980 and 2005. Games like Nethack (or ADOM) are important to what roguelikes have evolved from. And some sai that Diablo was the first realtime roguelike.

@isitanos

6 ай бұрын

ARPGs are definitely the first wave of roguelites. Diablo was extremely similar to classic roguelikes, besides the real-time aspect.

@Hybban

6 ай бұрын

@@isitanos and I forgot one of the most fundamental game to the current form of rogues: Microprrose version of Magic the Gathering. Roguelike landcrawler dungeoncrawler RPG deckbuilder (for the adventure mode). Still can't believe Hasbro hasn't tried to revive that game.

Man I don't even want to know how much time it took you to edit this all together. Just amazing work, great job.

i love this series man for me as a new rougelike gamer finding games is fairly easy thanks to you cant wait for another episode from this series keep up the work (new fav youtuber on YT just saying)

This is an epic concept, and a great job presenting it.

If anyone had a Sega, then Fatal Labyrinth might have been your first Roguelike.

Ya love to see it man. Such an amazing genre. Great list of games here to showcase. Cheers!

52:00 *chooses an item that decreases negative results from taking dmg while not being able TO TAKE DAMMAGE* I can't lmao

This is such a cool idea! Thanks for making this video

What a fun idea for a video. Keep up the amazing work =)

The amount of references in this video reminds me of Northernlion! Keep up the amazing work; excellent video!

@Filbertfriend

4 ай бұрын

The thing that reminds me of Northernlion is that he basically talks like Northernlion lol. "We take those" "He's insane" "Search me". Clearly he is inspired by him, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Just thought it was interesting.

I love Crypt of the Necrodancer so much! I'm glad you played at least some of it.

'Roguelike' in the title should have been 'Roguelite,' they're extremely different genres, and only 3 roguelikes actually appeared in this video (Rogue, Pokemon: Mystery Dungeon, Crypt of the Necrodancer). this is especially considering roguelikes are inherently a genre where avoiding hits is practically impossible, with the combat being turn-based instead of real-time. for future reference, a roguelike is a game that, as the name implies, is LIKE the game ROGUE. while rogueLITES only harbor a couple minor features from the genre (random generation, permadeath), rogueLIKES are games that are extremely similar to the game Rogue. to elaborate, this includes essential features such as: having turn-based combat, being locked to a tile-based grid, and being non-modal (as in, any action can be taken at any time). i would highly recommend playing roguelikes, as they are a very unique genre with gaming experiences you won't find anywhere else, especially in the modern day. such as: NetHack (Brutal, unforgiving, the gold standard for the Roguelike genre) Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup, colloquially known as dcss (Another amazing standard-setting entry in the genre, simple to get into yet still as heinously difficult to conquer as ever) Tales of Maj'Eyal, otherwise known as TOME Ancient Domains of Mystery, also known as ADOM DoomRL (Very simple to get into yet still remaining traditional, would highly recommend this as a starting point for people new to the genre) Caves of Qud, or CoQ (My favorite roguelike of all time, extremely fun and full of depth -- with a wonderful tileset that is simultaneously terminal-based while also being highly legible and non-offensive to the eyes, would also highly recommend this one) Jupiter Hell (A modern take on the genre by the developer of DoomRL, the most abstracted roguelike I've ever seen, its smooth 3D graphics will make you forget you're even playing a traditional roguelike) i'm probably forgetting something important here, but whatever

@OlexaYT

7 ай бұрын

Yes, but as a society, most people don’t know what a roguelite is and most people think all roguelites are roguelikes so for SEO in my titles, roguelike is better for views. I actually put a poll on Twitter yesterday for if people know the difference between roguelikes and roguelites and around 55% have no clue. So as a creator, to optimize my SEO, I have to use roguelike. Sorry if that’s frustrating to you.

@guidedexplosiveprojectileg9943

5 ай бұрын

Cataclysm all the way

35:17 that was comedy gold lol. In fairness I totally thought you would get orb slots too. Great video

Mandatory "Magic Survival was the game that inspired Vampire Survivors but was a mobile android only game so it was much less popular", but I do think they're both really fun games.

really cool concept and nice commentary too

What a great video idea, absolutely love your roguelike summary. Also, I _think_ the chickens in gungeon appeared because of the magic bullets.

Oh, first Internet Historian and now Tyler delivers with a well made documentary. Is it X-Mas? Great content, entertaining, fascinating. Thank you very much! May your hands begin to glow red and your weapon vorpalize ... **g**

I'd love to see more of the games with a "everytime I lose or die the game changes" series as well. It helps games where you either can't get hit or where hits are expected to shine more.

Hearing the FTL music in the beginning brought peace to my soul

@OlexaYT

2 ай бұрын

It’s just the best

rogue to pokemon was a pretty big jump

This dude is basically SouthernLion

@Filbertfriend

4 ай бұрын

LMAO. We take those.

Cool video idea! Keep going!😊

Great to see mystery dungeon on here, it was my very first roguelike (i bought it by accident because i thought it was a regular pokemon game) But i instantly fell in love with the gameplay loop

@byarkie

7 ай бұрын

I did the exact same thing as a kid! Made this game all the more special in the long run

Watching you play Revita again hit me right in the feels

@OlexaYT

7 ай бұрын

I know we’ll be back when 2.0 drops copium

@speedincooper

7 ай бұрын

@@OlexaYT Ah sweet! I thought Ben had abandoned all hope of releasing that?

@OlexaYT

7 ай бұрын

There’s a chance it releases for PC

@Skenjin

7 ай бұрын

​@@OlexaYTHere's to hoping.

This is truly the most rogue-like video format ever.

Love these vids

One of the games I discovered was a roguelike was Elona. I was looking for free games back in college, and stumbled upon a hard as nails RPG with all sorts of weird things like mana storms that caused mutations, and classes like Pianist and Farmer, which I was not expecting in an RPG. This was around the late 2000s, but I rediscovered the game recently and hope to get more into it (I sucked back then haha).

crypt of the necrodancer is so stressful to watch lol

I too hope Revita will actually release 2.0 some day. T.T

This video is AWESOME.

Finally a each time I get hit video again

You sir, are overqualified. I love it.

"I never played Pokemon Mystery Dungeon when it came out, I was like 6" Dude that's the target audience

The FTL OST hit me deep brother… Respect!

I'm absolutely fell in love with roguelikes, probably my first roguelike it's isaac, but i long time play this type of genr even without knowing this is an separate game genre xD What a discovery for me after i realize it. Have 500+ hours only in dead cells and never get bored. Also a great video, instant like

Damn, that FTL music got me nostalgic af

We really jumped from Rogue to Mystery Dungeon straight into Spelunky 💀💀 not even Nethack or Angband

You losing to fall damage in Risk of Rain 2 made laugh to hard... especially after dodging all those fireballs and lasers

This reminds me of my first roguelike, Soul Knight. It was similar to Nuclear Throne and Gungeon, but goddamn it was a fun introduction to the genre.

Very clever video idea

Hit me with nostalgia when Binding of Isaac came up. Got it on steam, got hundreds of hours in it, even completed the Wrath of the Lamb, and loved the game, still do, tho now more time has been put into Binding of Isaac Repentence

Beautiful idea

There's a not very well known roguelike that I'd really love for you to spotlight some time called Wally and the Fantastic Predators! It's fast-paced and absolutely overflowing with cute charm!

It feels like you skipped a really big and important part of history. Toe Jam and Earl is a roguelike too. And the original Mystery Dungeon game was actually a Dragon Quest spinoff on the Super Famicom.

@OlexaYT

7 ай бұрын

Probably, but it’s not my area of specialty or channel’s focus so unfortunately I had to skip em

Olexa, have you heard of Caves of Qud? I looked on your channel but saw now videos of it. Or ToME for that matter.

@OlexaYT

7 ай бұрын

Haven’t played no. Maybe some time

"Choker? I hardly know her!"

the one game i was missing is BPM: Bullets per minute. a rithym- Egoshooter- Roughlike heavily inspired by binding of isaac. while being a very fast paced egoshooter it stilll is a fully fledged roughlike

@OlexaYT

7 ай бұрын

I’d argue that Crypt of the Necrodancer was the inspiration for BPM

@sonofabunn5482

7 ай бұрын

@@OlexaYT Probably both. the thing bringing me to Isaac is the whole system with the keys, giving floors random curses and... idk... the vibe? i know, it sounds stupid, but i played all of those 3 games for longer than i probably should have, and BPM feels to me kinda like somone trying to make Isaac into a ego-shooter, that loved te concept of Necrodancer... kinda... or something like that. its hard to describe. but still, loved your vid. keep up the awesomeness

Tyler taking an item that makes hits less detrimental while doing a challenge where he can’t take hits is so on brnad

@GameTimeWhy

7 ай бұрын

While saying he doesn't need items like that.

As for Vampire Survivors I feel it has a stong connection to Crimsonland shooter, that i played so much back then...

37:00 try Slice and Dice, It's an amazing dice roguelike, which is surprisingly themost complex roguelike I've ever played. (I would say even more complex then Noita, yes, it's that complex)

@OlexaYT

18 күн бұрын

(I have a whole series on my channel)

How could you not include Commander Keen? Probably the most influential Rogue like ever? Every game after that in the Genre is basically the same with different stories and graphics. It's also in the top 10 of the hardest games ever. I played this as a kid and got thru most of the levels and remember my dad coming in at one point (was his pc) and being aghast at how far I got because he never made it this far. It's one of the hardest games I've ever played and I enjoy the challenge and 'finished' most games in the genre a couple of times till it got old.

@OlexaYT

5 ай бұрын

Never heard of it

Little Noah needs a spot on this list ‎( ,,･ิω･ิ,, ) It has its really own amazing spin on Roguelike being Very Hard/+/++/+++ along with a unique combat system of using these little spirits called Liliputs to reorder and chain attacks in orders to play differently and even has a Hell Mode which is essentially a No Hit mode, Bosh Rush, etc. Cygames did an amazing job on the game.

Vampire survivors is on so many things my car center console has it on there.

I would have wished you'd also cover Lufia 2's rogulelike mode (which would have fit inbetween rogue and mystery dungeon), I loved that game growing up and it was my introduction to rougelike-y stuff. (though I guess it being turn based RPG combat would have meant it would have ended as soon as any battle starts)

Risk of Rain 2 is my favorite roguelike of all time. I have clocked over 980 hours.

theres a minesweeper roguelike called demoncrawl, you should check it out, its my fav one

@OlexaYT

7 ай бұрын

Yup we’ve played a lotttt of it on the channel

Here are some games that I think should make the list, as someone who just got started in the genre, to be fair. Into the Breach is revolutionary not just to Roguelikes but to tactical RPGs. You can actually beat it in your first try if you stop for a second and decipher the language of the game from the start. Hades is a revolutionary game because it brings an actually really good story that makes sense and gives a good excuse to the procedural generation of the dungeons, not to mention doing a lot for meta progression. I would say Astral Ascent should be mentioned but I haven't played it myself just yet

You jumped from the 80s to the 2000s? You forgot about ToeJam and Earl and Fatal Labyrith then I guess.

@OlexaYT

7 ай бұрын

Unfortunately my channel really doesn’t specialize in traditional roguelikes

Yessss I love these types of videos from you! I do want to shout out the mobile game Magic Survival, which as far as I'm aware, it the origin of the bullet heaven genre. Having played it years before Vamp Survivors came out, it's never sat right with me that Vamp became the de facto father of the genre. It's so cool that after all these years, devs are still finding ways to revolutionize this genre

"Choke her? I hardly know 'er! ....that one has interesting implications I'm going to ignore at this time." -wheeze-

More like this please.

Great episode... howeeeever. Where's Noita my dude? As far as games pushing the genre forward that's a hard one to skip on. Maybe number 2 of this series is on the horizon? Possibly throw some Returnal in there as well?

@OlexaYT

7 ай бұрын

Don’t really even consider noita a roguelike if I’m honest. It’s much more of an adventure game than a roguelike

@kinnectar820

7 ай бұрын

Whaaaaat? Them's strong words. It's got levels, upgrades, and a win condition, with permadeath. If Spelunky is a Roguelike surely Noita is. If they add a bunch of additional content on the sides to expand the gameplay potential, well that's just one hell of a bonus isn't it? @@OlexaYT

@OlexaYT

7 ай бұрын

I hear you, definitely a roguelike, I just think it plays very differently from one. It’s a very very different game than spelunky

@kinnectar820

7 ай бұрын

@@OlexaYT Yes, it is very different from most every other game, I'd say that's what makes it significant in the history of Roguelikes. Just like Nuclear Throne, Slay the Spire, Risk of Rain, and even Vampire Survivors all broke the mold of what could be considered a roguelike when compared with Rogue, Noita does the same by adding several brand new elements of simulation, the "wand building" mechanic, and yes the ability to break out of the core linear roguelike progression and explore the world. It does make me think that there is a branching of the subgenre here, something like "open world roguelikes" maybe? Games lake Caves of Qud, KeepRL, even maybe Terraria would go in there, though they lack the emphasis on the win-condition and periodic "rewards for beating the level" that Noita maintains. Rogulikes are a spectrum, lol!

Technically vampire survivors was a reskin of magic survival. Kinda wish that was ported well to pc so it could have gotten a showcase as it's genuinely pretty good as the true progenitor of the "*** survivor/survival" bullet heaven rogue lites.

@es7992

7 ай бұрын

Finally someone else knows Magic Survival! I think they're both really fun games, but I am a bit irritated every time someone says that Vampire Survivors was the first.

@theapexsurvivor9538

7 ай бұрын

@@es7992 yeah, Vampire iterated on a lot of the mechanics and ideas over time, but I can't help but find Magic Survival more satisfying to dump an hour into.

You were talking about how accessible vampire survivors is to play and then you got the elite chest and I went to click my screen to open it and was like oh sheet Well played

damn mystery dungeon takes me back

The temptation to try Revita after watching this video-

This just overlooked actual roguelikes such as Doom RL and Jupiter Hell.

@OlexaYT

7 ай бұрын

There’s thousands of roguelikes out there. This video cannot cover every single one

@restlessfrager

7 ай бұрын

@@OlexaYT I get that but other than the genre's namesake, there's no mention of the games that are actually in the same category as rogue.

@OlexaYT

7 ай бұрын

Yup, my channel is not a traditional roguelike channel. It’s a generic roguelike channel for the modern overarching definition

What is the game shown at 35 seconds in with a forest on top?

@OlexaYT

7 ай бұрын

Peglin.

The revita glazing is crazy

@OlexaYT

7 ай бұрын

??

Brotato is my favourite rogue

fun fact 1980s rouge is where rougelike as a genre got its namebut the actual first rougelike was made in 1978 called Beneath Apple Manor the first retail rougelike even being that games sequel

I played every roguelites in this video before Risk of rain 2

Alien’s rock and Olexa would be amazing!

I wish brutal orchestra was here... oh well. Great video

@OlexaYT

7 ай бұрын

Great game but not revolutionary in the genre

@octo2539

7 ай бұрын

True

Rogue-thingys are like learning how to cook and every time you make something crappy, you get new ingredients and a better recipe. Eventually you'll be making creme brule

@rogue-like4life

Ай бұрын

Dead Cells is the RL that was the first one and it was perfect with The Bad Seed DLC

I would love ot see you play risk of rain 1 Especially since the remaster/ remake with new characters is coming out in a day or two.

yo early too you should do more but it gets popular each time you get hit like blinding of Isaac to hades to whatever is next

Fantastic video, I'll have to try out Revita as you're given it so much praise! The art style looks great. Not sure what you meant by using health as a currency in Hollow Knight as I don't remember that being a mechanic, however. Can't wait to see more from you!

@OlexaYT

7 ай бұрын

It’s the healing mechanic in hollow knight, not the currency

He did it. He actually touched the flash version of Isaac Oo

"yea i expected it would be rouge, oh wow he didnt instantly get hi- oh nevermin- IS THAT FUCKING MYSTERY DUNGEON"

No Noita is a crime.

@OlexaYT

7 ай бұрын

It’s… not a revolutionary inspirational roguelike. Sorry

Skul: the hero slay is also how i find a reealy underrated good 2d platformer rogue like with interesting mechanics and much content.

@OlexaYT

7 ай бұрын

If you like Skul, you’ll love Space Gladiators or Revita. I wasn’t a huge fan of Skul, found it too repetitive and slow

@draco8897

7 ай бұрын

@@OlexaYT thanks to you 5 minutes roguelike games video, i already bought revita and really like it ^^

I have no Orb Slots and I must scream

For those wondering, magic bullets adds a small chance to turn hit enemies into chickens.

This video illustrated very well for me that, indeed, I cannot play rogue-likes/lites much to save my life haha But I do enjoy watching other people play a game I would otherwise have no possibility of seeing on my own!

It would be nice seeing you play Noita

Im sorry im stuck on the idea you where 6 in 2005!! Suddenly i have so many questions and im afraid of the answer lol

@OlexaYT

7 ай бұрын

I was actually 7. I’m 25.