It was funny to witness Martin Osterdahl wearing noise-canceling headphones, anticipating booing and employing a 'safety measure' due to the emotional nature of the situation. Regarding the incident involving Joost and the employee, while the details remain unclear, I trust AVROTROS. AVROTROS had highlighted safety measures, EBU for sure has anticipated the consequences but they didn't care to respect their artist's safety

@xydoit2024

13 күн бұрын

Or workers or journalists.

Eurovision need huge repairs and changes

@MrKnowItAll2024

16 күн бұрын

Yea. Like kicking out the biased judges and letting only the audience at home decide. 🤍🎗🩵

@puppsilol4775

16 күн бұрын

Hopp 🇨🇭

@elaychscrazyworld4173

16 күн бұрын

It needs clear game planning for all kinds of scenarios

@robbert89rl

15 күн бұрын

​@@MrKnowItAll2024No, as long as people are allowed to vote 20 times and producers manipulate the startpositions we should have neutralizing measures. And let's not forget people at home tend to favour circus acts, which keeps away serious artists.

@tobiashero

15 күн бұрын

yes don't let any country at war to compete to gain pity votes :D

I couldn’t even understand what Österdahl said. 😅 I don’t feel sorry for him because the EBU handled the whole situation with Israel and Joost so poorly.

There was lots of booing for Osterdull on TV on Saturday, particularly when he read out the Netherlands' jury results.

@MultiSky7

16 күн бұрын

They've let people hear that booing to give you a sense of democracy. Don't worry, that booing won't hurt him.

@ar50000

16 күн бұрын

@@MultiSky7 To go is good.

@Irgoe

16 күн бұрын

@@MultiSky7 he's probably going to be fired so yeah I think it will

@user-bt5mk3fe9s

14 күн бұрын

​@@MultiSky7they couldn't hide it, because he was too close to the public.

Martins boos were obviously mainly about Joost.... because he didn't get booed in the semis as I recall

@Solsortemor

9 күн бұрын

True. I was in the arena monday night and wednesday night. It was after the Joost Klein thing for sure.

Portugal was under a dictatorship for more than 40 years, and the terrible memory of censorship remains to this day. It's understandable that this is a sensitive issue for RTP because the freedom of expression for which we fight so hard must be protected. In all situations, at all events, in all media.

@LiorTamir

15 күн бұрын

Thank you for this information and perspective! I didn't know that!

@lisbondiaries9212

15 күн бұрын

Acordo! Agree! We were actually in a dictatorship for 48 years, including the military dictatorship. My parents were born in Portugal and all of my family is from Portugal. I have lived here for several years. We must never forget what our people have been through. Threats to democracy and freedom of expression still exist.

@triola3983

12 күн бұрын

Eden Golan wasn't allowed to wear anything symbolizing the hostages, even though it's a humanitarian issue and not political, so why should Portugal be an exception?

@TheTeresafs

12 күн бұрын

@@triola3983 My comment was about the Portuguese broadcastar (RTP) position on the anti-booing system, which was discussed in this video.

@triola3983

12 күн бұрын

@@TheTeresafs I understand, I am explaining the position of the EBU here. They wanted to avoid controversies (even though they didn't succeed).

Jendrik from Germany says exactly the same. The Anti booing system doesn't protect the artist, they hear the booing in the arena. He felt very disappointed about this manipulation. Every human beeing has to have the rights to show the real feelings.....

@Wiwibloggs

16 күн бұрын

This is very interesting insight. Thank you!

@Eva-S-L

16 күн бұрын

Amen! This doesn't protect the artist!

@MultiSky7

16 күн бұрын

Yup, that's called perception management. A mean to manipulate and distort reality, influencing you to form opinions opposite from what they really are. In concrete case, making you think that acceptance of Eden (i.e. Isr ..l) among people is much much higher than it is, while making these who protests looney tunes fringe minority.

@HelloKitty-we3ht

16 күн бұрын

It would make people sympathize with Eden Golan even more and she would have won the public vote.

@duderRechthat

16 күн бұрын

It does protect the artists reputation tho. When established music artists participate and end up getting booed Infront of the whole ESC audience, its not a good look.

I think the EBU had this response coming for a while, and Joost Klein's DQ triggered it. It's been an entire season of the EBU avoiding responsibility, ignoring concerns, restricting the freedom of expression, distorting reality, and treating contestants unequally. Having one of the public favorites disqualified only hours before the final - for reasons that are questionable at best - was the final straw.

@itsgoodiewoodie

16 күн бұрын

Joost broke rules. Nothing to do with EBU. Israel deserved to be in Eurovision, they have done absolutely nothing wrong.

@2music4

11 күн бұрын

So was he really physically abusive towards the woman or not? Because, no one in their right mind and at least minimal amount of humanity should support woman abuser!!! Not now, not ever!!! It doesen't even matter where she is from. That's 100% irrelevant in the context of abuse!... OR was the Israeli delagation member/s violent towards Joost in bigger proportion in comparison to Joost's reaction and the EBU distorted the reality? Evidence, people!!! We need clear physical evidence out in the public not any biased overtly emotional outbursts of reaction with no legit non-biased witnesses nor evidence, because both scenarios are horrible! Only the first one is horrible for Joost.

Booing can even be hidden, but it's a different thing to pump cheering noises, it's not a comedy show.

I watched youtube online and booing definitely came through for Israel singer performance but also every time Israel got points from jury and when Israel's jury announced their results. But definitely the one that came through the loudest on youtube online was for Martin and honestly i thought it was because Netherlands disqualification essentially because he was announcing Dutch jury points. I agree with both Dutch and Portugese ponts on booing. It was definetly weird to hear it on Eurovision, but hiding problems is never the key to the solution is it ?

@elaychscrazyworld4173

16 күн бұрын

It was way louder and more United with Martin. With Hurricane (I heard some but not that many) it seemed that booers and cheerers were having a pingpong (choice of words intended and timely), and it made the contest scarier and more feral.

Either they were not ready for Martin to get booed like that or the anti-booing technology works best when the primary output of sound is very loud, such as musical performance. That being said, he got booed a lot worse when he presented the jury points from the Netherlands; you could barely hear him there.

People didn't even boo because of the song... If you're going to boo a contestant just because of the country they're from, maybe do everyone a favor and "boycott" the event

It's a shame that Nemo's win was overshadowed by everything else.

@meropale

16 күн бұрын

Not only Nemo, but also all of the other artists.

@Musimakeup

16 күн бұрын

Totally agree

@chezannelavieendouceur

16 күн бұрын

@@meropale that is the one reason i was still watching, there was so much talent on that stage, one of the stronger years when it comes to artists and song, that is what made it all even harder...

@jozef1

16 күн бұрын

Nemo came 5th. No one cares about this queer agenda and anti Israel political votes. This Jury VS public differences was wild. The winner is Croatia

@sonechkosvite

14 күн бұрын

Because Joost is a real winnaar not Nemo.

Didn't we also have this in 2015 and Russia? I don't recall as many complaints then, though I did complain for the same reasons at set out here. I want to hear crowd reactions, good or bad. Let's remember too that Golan had practiced performing while being booed. If she was prepared for it, we should hear it.

@missn7887

16 күн бұрын

Yes! It was equally awful. The performer was in tears in the green room.

@GoodMusicManiac999

15 күн бұрын

But it was done by a country that allegedly everyone loves! (Don't really know how can someone love present-day russia though)

@missn7887

15 күн бұрын

@@GoodMusicManiac999 Noone does but people can sympathize when an individual becomes the scapegoat for decisions that their governent make. I do not support what neither Russia, Israel or Hamas have done. I just do not like bullying

@stephenmuckle4185

13 күн бұрын

​@@missn7887But in the case of Russia, Polina Gagarina is one of the staunchest and most vocal supporters of the war in Ukraine. In fact her views are apparently so extreme that even some of Russia's biggest propaganda outlets are distancing themselves from her.

In 2015, no one interfered with Russia’s performance. They booed only when the jury gave 12 points. Conchita Wurst sat with Gagarina and protected her. Russia was 5th on the jury's list, its no low. Basically there are a lot of questions.

@paulskyekahawaty6133

13 күн бұрын

Russia was even Conchita's favourite that year.

What did Eden Golan ever do wrong to be booed ????

@lisbondiaries9212

15 күн бұрын

Geez…please go educate yourself. It isn’t about her personally! These singers aren’t there representing themselves . They are there to represent their countries!

@jimw859

14 күн бұрын

I'm sorry but let's remember that the song Israel sent had to have its lyrics rewritten twice before they were considered acceptable by the EBU and she was quite happy to sing the original lyrics if they had been allowed. There's a clever narrative being put out there that Eden was some poor innocent young girl caught up in something political that she didn't understand. It's complete rubbish.

@tomatoesarefruit3878

13 күн бұрын

​@@lisbondiaries9212Did they also boo Gagarina in 2015? Russia took Crimeea by force and didn't receive backlashvat Eurovision. Israel responded to an attack.

@flexparachute

11 күн бұрын

@@tomatoesarefruit3878 yes they did boo Gagarina. They also booed the Tolmachevy sisters back in 2014. The Tomlachevy sisters won the Junior Eurovision which makes them Eurovision royalty and they were still booed just because they represented Russia. It was shameful to watch.

@bangtan8565

11 күн бұрын

​@@lisbondiaries9212so they went against the rules and decide to protest, protests aren't allowed during the event, they will be censored, so what is the problem now?

Im glad they did cover it, I wanted to hear the song from home as I wasn’t able to buy tickets this year

I didn't understand, are you against booing, or just against censoring booing?

Aren't they also, in a normal year, checking that the televote are ready? Than that would mean that the second "You're good to go" from Martin Österdahl was cut from the program...

Even the fan média for the last few years.. Who misses the good old days in lisbon when susan and the Australian journalist used to draw the artists stagings ❤

@Wiwibloggs

16 күн бұрын

🥹❤️👋

I think booing can even add to a performance. What comes to mind for me is Iceland's 2006 entry "Congratulations", where the singer, Sylvia Night, was playing a very rude, stuck up and self centered character and it was very much an intentional part of the act to get a rise out of people who aren't in on the joke.

@irondasgr

10 күн бұрын

That didn't go very well at all. An Icelandic friend once told me that there was such an upheaval against her that for a long time there were people outside her house - nowhere near the arena in Greece, in Iceland! - waiting for her to come out. She got into serious trouble for quite an amount of time over a joke people didn't manage to comprehend.

so... you won't condemn the hatred and the booing, but actually, you condemn the EBU for trying to contredict them... you keep saying this year's ESC was a mess. should'nt you be happy there are some efforts being made to make it more positive and inclusive?

Well, if somebody goes into the performance *intending* to boo, it’s not a *reaction* to the song - if anything, it’s a prejudice against it.

Eurovision is supposed to be apolitical, and the audience is supposed to respect the participants and not to hinder them from performing their songs. If the audience boos one of the singers - this is a disturbance and a fundamental unfairness towards the competing singer and the competition itself. Therefore the EBU was absolutely right. The claim that they increased the applause for the Israeli contestant is your invention.

@Eva-mp7xg

15 күн бұрын

In such an apolitical event, should contestants glorify their national army while it's busy killing people? Should a contestant say they want to join said army?

@missn7887

13 күн бұрын

@@Eva-mp7xg She said that she will do that. She has to actually. Military traning is mandatory for both men and women in Israel. Shorter service for women than men.

@Eva-mp7xg

13 күн бұрын

@@missn7887 That's okay, but she didn't have to be vocal about it. At least not during the contest. Next time please leave your political baggage at home when going to a peaceful music contest, or if you cannot, then just please stay away.

@missn7887

13 күн бұрын

@@Eva-mp7xg Yes everyone should do that, including the audience.

The crowd decided to boo Israel as a political statement and not the performer because of who she is. It didn’t matter to the audience who the singer was or what the song was, so this wasn’t relevant for the Eurovision show, which did not involve politics. Besides that, I think that if the people at home were hearing more booing, it was creating the opposite effect and Israel was ranked even higher - so it was fair competition because of it

@igorsteinberg3533

11 күн бұрын

I agree. If the audience is booing a song because they don't like it or they don't like the artist it is one thing, but if the audience is booing a song because of the country it represents, measures need to be taken as this is absolutely unfair to be biased towards a person simply because of the passport they are carrying. The huge success of Israel in the televote was a combination of a truly good song the viewers genuinely liked, and the protests against the idiots who have decided to ruin the contest with their booing.

I want to give them the benefit of the doubt: They edited the booing because they wanted that the people in front of their televisions can listen to the song and decide based on the song's quality, plus because this booing was political and not against the singer's voice, so in a way, the booing was irrelevant (I just try to think with the head of the EBU).

@lisbondiaries9212

15 күн бұрын

Benefit of doubt? LOL. No, this was purely political, just like their suspension of Russia was political . They want to say they aren’t political. Eurovision has always been political and uniting…it can be and is both.

@horridwilting640

14 күн бұрын

​​@@lisbondiaries9212the suspension of russia is not political at all. If you included russia, can you stage a show (if ever they win) in a worldwide sanctioned country and fly artists over there and endanger their careers and lives? Guess not... 🤷🤷🤷

@lisbondiaries9212

14 күн бұрын

@@horridwilting640 It was completely political. What are you talking about???? The suspension had nothing to do with safety. Please educate yourself before making a comment regarding a topic you are obviously ill-informed about. EBU claimed it was because Russia broadcasting wasn’t following certain rules…nothing to do with safety. If it was about safety, why was Ukraine allowed to participate and win???? Wouldn’t have they been unsafe to put artists in a war zone?!?! So, what did they do? Have the contest in another country the following year! They could have done the same for Russia if they won: however, that wasn’t even the issue! By your own logic, how ISraEL participate then??? Are they not in a war, and it is unsafe there? It is a country being investigated by the ICJ. You are so wrong!! Stop it with this foolish rhetoric.

@horridwilting640

14 күн бұрын

@@lisbondiaries9212 you are the uneducated. Travel to and from russia is currently mostly banned worlwide and couple that with freezed financial sanctions imposed on them and safety issues that they have. If you so want to travel to russia and stage the eurovision there then do so yourself and stop insisting on every decision of the ebu to be political. What a shallow minded you are. 🤷🤷🤷

It was the very right decision with anti-booing. The crowd in the arena wasn't judging the song but their attitude towards the country and its politics. For the average tv viewer that crowd noise would have negatively impacted the reception of the song, especially since that booing didn't apply to the way she sang it or to the song. It was only political reaction from the public which shouldn't be the case at a music competition.

@VeggieManUK

16 күн бұрын

The icing on the cake for this though was the counter voice to the loud minority, the worlds public loved the Israeli song and the public vote showed it.

@JakobVision95

16 күн бұрын

@@VeggieManUK And yet still lost to Croatia in the televote despite an insanely extensive and desperate voting campaign.

@LeafHuntress

16 күн бұрын

@@VeggieManUK because of the insane amount of ads & the bought votes & the SM campaign where certain people that never watched ESC in their lives proudly declared to have voted multiple times when they hadn't even heard the song. why was is necessary to open up the voting lines before the contest even began?

@meslud

16 күн бұрын

@@LeafHuntress sure, 40% of the Italian televotes where bought... Not even the Napolitans at San Remo this year accomplished that.

@LeafHuntress

15 күн бұрын

@@meslud I never said that. You clearly have a problem with reading, go back, read ALL of it, read it properly & THEN respond.

So where do we draw the line regarding "not distorting reality" - Applying to this logic shouldn't Russia and Belarus be able to return as members of EBU since their populations and local artists shouldn't be blamed for Putins actions? - Participating in the contest the audience might show their affection towards their performances but we should show reality as it is, right?

@flexparachute

11 күн бұрын

I think that Russia and Belarus should come back to the contest. Having them OUT and Israel and Ukraine IN the contest brings double standards (by the massive population who don't know the details) about Eurovision and I have a feeling that the Eurovision next year will suffer from less viewership.

I also remember hearing booing whenever Israel gets points from the Juries. And when Greece gives 12 points to Cyprus and Cyprus gives 12 points to Greece in the past. My question is why are they just complaining now since this anti booing have been going on since 2015. And to the Netherlands and Portugal delegation, what happens if their acts get booed - are they ok if the EBU doesn't use that anti-booing sound?

You were so good last year. This year we saw which kind of people are you and its sad

@HelderSnot

13 күн бұрын

"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?"

The BBC have used it when I went to the recording of 60 years of Eurovision event in London hosted by Graham Norton. Russia was heavily booed but on the broadcast there was no booing whatsoever. I guess I’m on the fence, as if there was more booing heard there could be sympathy votes, and that’s not what I feel is the correct way to vote at a song contest. You could hear the boos this year and Israel did get sympathy votes for sure, some not even political but for the fact the singer had to deal with that sort of negativity and it’s represented in the votes, Israel had the biggest difference in jury and televotes in Eurovision history.

@LeafHuntress

16 күн бұрын

because of the insane amount of ads & the bought votes & the SM campaign where certain people that never watched ESC in their lives proudly declared to have voted multiple times when they hadn't even heard the song. why was is necessary to open up the voting lines before the contest even began?

@RedCubUK

16 күн бұрын

I’m almost certain that the insane amount of booing happening for Eden from the rehearsal and semi-final, captured from people’s cellphones, caused more people to vote for Eden out of sympathy.

I actually believe that all the boycotting and basically bullying of Israel did exactly the opposite - people had sympathy with Eden and wanted to support her even more. If we break it down, this is a SONG contest. Israels song and singer were beautiful so they deserved their result from an artistic point of view. The whole politics behind it are another thing of course. But I thought it was really unfair to bully the artist and I didn’t like how some artists acted disrespectful and childish against Eden. If you wanna be mad, be mad about the EBU allowing them to compete.

You coul'dn be more wrong... the booing was not because the song was bad... it was because it was israel... and that was absolutly wrong thing to do.

Totally agree with comments saying its a Shame the controversy and negativity overshadowed what Will probably remain the best year ever in terms of song and show quality...

@Benji30

15 күн бұрын

2019 and 2021 were better.

@robbert89rl

15 күн бұрын

​@@Benji30 And 2023 was too. It's not that swedish productions are holy productions. Imho others surpassed them.

@Benji30

15 күн бұрын

@@robbert89rl I honestly didn't like the production of UK, and Italy. But that's a matter of opinion I guess.

This year to me ...horror in every sence.😮😮😮😮😮😮

If they showed the booing I bet she would get even more votes.

@anka6356

16 күн бұрын

It was rigged.

Martin clearly booed at re removal of the Dutch act.

I found it slightly funny that they went straight to Petra and Malin doing the televoting sequence without getting the ‘good to go’ from Martin.

@flexparachute

11 күн бұрын

There were also less interviews in the green room this year. Strange...

People knew they boo the song because of antisemitism. We heard the boos. People pay 200 euro to boo a contests for her ethnicity. For her country. The EBU should not let them go into the venue at all. This was not because of the song.

For me it was amazing how she did that performance with al that people screaming. My votes were for her ❤️💪

@keke1962

15 күн бұрын

Had they left the booing heard by television viewers, Israel would have had even more sympathy votes by the televoters. I was scandalised by the bullying and bashing of Eden Golan, my votes went for her, plus I thought the song was beautiful and deserved to win

The booing was political and the EBU disqualifyed the Israeli song because of political reasons... The crwod didn't react on the performance but it was political.

12 votes to Netherlands and Portugal. They can start their own contest, we’ll go to that ✨

It only works to some extent - you could still hear the booing on TV. Could hardly hear Eden Golan's outro over the jeers.

The EBU should not create an environment for booing. They made some very bad decisions this year.

The EBU added the applause track, so that we viewers don’t feel disappointed by the people who get/can afford to attend in person.

I was there in the arena in 2006 when there was a huge wave of booing against that joke of a song that was the Lithuanian one "We are the winners" and a second one equally as strong against Silvia Night. Trust me when a certain gathering of people transforms itself into a mob the last words that come to mind are democracy, freedom, respect etc. It was a wild thing to watch and perceive. Mobs should be confronted directly and effectively.

They weren't booing her phenomenal talent or her performance - they were booing her country. I'm glad she nearly won the popular vote, which is truly a hopeful sign.

Apparently in 2015, WWE bought anti booing technology from the EBU to silence the booing directed at Roman Reigns at the time.

As I’m into audio engineering, all this talk has brought up the question of what does it really mean when speaking of ”anti-booing tech”. With other artists, is the cheering and clapping really only coming in through the singer’s microphone? I think there could be ”audience mics” to capture and boost the feeling in the arena. I don’t know, I haven’t done big shows, but probably, the cheers are really loud and can be heard even as the performers are leaving. If its that case, ”anti-booing” would just mean turning down the ”audience channel”. Also gotta keep in mind that microphones don’t actually convey what human ears hear, and in a different place. So Isreal broadcast would never be as loud booing, as a video recorded or heard in the crowd, even without any anti-booing. But if its just bleed from the singing mic anyway, yes maybe they could have used specialised software that tries to get the booing sound out (its not easy). Inserting clapping and cheers, if there’s plausible evidence for it, is just inexcusable.

What's with the low volume on this video?

@Wiwibloggs

15 күн бұрын

If you toggle the volume on the KZread video it’ll get much louder.

@steffvalmont6828

15 күн бұрын

@@Wiwibloggs nope

@jimw859

14 күн бұрын

Its probably the EBU again! 😂

👏👏👏

Loving the Rock The Boat merch.

The thing is, after the performance number 6, I just couldn't believe in the audience reaction anymore. Like, did they really sang "soy más zorra todavía" back, or was it CGI? Is the applause for Nemo real or is it CGI? This ruined my experience even further.

@flexparachute

11 күн бұрын

I had the same problem. And I started to ask myself was it done in previous years too without us knowing about it.

I dont mind østerdagl was booked though ...

Fair point, good discussion Too compare, didn't FIFA do the same in Qatar World Cup?

There were also some songs where it was impossible to tell if the audience were singing/clapping along. If the EBU allow added clapping, broadcasters should ask they add as much as possible for their act and turn up the audience singing along. I also agree with the fact that booing can cause sympathy, if an act is emotional after performing then we should understand why that is. They should feed in audience noise equally for each act.

I take more issue with pre-recorded vocals. It's not covid times anymore. The least they can do is to show a graphic 'pre-recorded backing vocals' or better still go back to singing live. What we have now is one step away from lip-synching

@flexparachute

11 күн бұрын

Completely agree. The pre-recorded vocals need to go. Now we have pre-recorded backing vocals with autotune in them (used in the Greek performance) which kinda destroys the purpose of a "live" performance.

@Debanize

11 күн бұрын

SOLID POINT

I think they decided to reduce the booing noise in order to make the people at home be able to hear the song

Maybe Osterdahl didn’t expect the public booing, a bit naive

Is Freddy single? Asking for a friend 😅❤

I guess we are just inftont of big changes in EBU... And i hope we are also infront of changes in Wiwi, which is clear for me by getting Freddy more involved. That makes me happy.

There was some booing at the UK entry in 1984 in Luxembourg..🇱🇺..apparently a reaction to England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 football fans who had allegedly caused damage in Luxembourg City at a football match just before Eurovision that year.... I was in Malmö this year, thought it was a great show and ,for once, my favourite won! 🙂🇨🇭

Absolutely agree with AVROTROS and RTP's stand-point. I'm sorry to say but I think Martin Osterdahl's position is completely untenable. I respect that this competition is between broadcasters and not governments but, when it comes to politics, there's a line that should never be crossed - Russia crossed that line in 2022 and Israel crossed that line prior to this year's contest. When those lines are crossed, action has to be taken so that they don't have the luxury to participate in the contest. Eurovision is about love and coming together with people from across the continent. It's extremely sad that this wasn't the case this year. Prior to next year's contest, we need to see an overhaul in the organisation of the contest at EBU level otherwise we'll see a repeat of this next year when beautiful souls are begging for anyone but Israel to win.

The audience around the world was aware through every possible media channel of the harassment, the ignoring, the protests against the Israeli delegation, and even the loud boos. Of all the things that happened, this is what you chose to focus on? Why not dedicate a discussion to your blatant ignoring, to the harassment and protests from the participants themselves towards Eden? The audience is not foolish and ultimately made its (point) opinion very clear, despite the boos which sounded great.

@user-tg8ti5xg2l

16 күн бұрын

Please can you give us some real examples when and how other participants were harassing or protesting towards Eden? Thank you

@nonsensedreamer252

16 күн бұрын

@@user-tg8ti5xg2l Shall we begin? After the second semi-final (in which Eden finished in first place) the representative of Greece pretended to be sleepy, yawning and bored while Eden was being interviewed. The Netherlands representative covered himself as a sign of protest while Eden was being interviewed and when she was asked an inappropriate political question and was told she didn't have to answer it he said "Why not?". The representative of Ireland said she cried when she heard that Eden and Israel had qualified for the final. And that's just 3 examples of them. A bunch of bullies against whom no action will be taken.

@user-tg8ti5xg2l

15 күн бұрын

@@nonsensedreamer252 Harassment is a form of discrimination. It happens when someone experiences unwanted offensive or humiliating comments or behavior. There must be a link between the harassing behavior and that person's protected personal characteristics called prohibited grounds. I can’t see any signs of harassment in your examples.

@chootanf

15 күн бұрын

​​@@nonsensedreamer252you mean when one of Israeli delegations were reported multiple times for harrasing other contestants? yeah think again on who the actual perpetrator was. We know who did what, but seems like the people on the other side of the fence didn't even bother to think about that

@jimw859

14 күн бұрын

What about the constant harassment of a number of artists by the Israeli delegation? And actually harassment of other members of the press?

what is your point? do you want the event to be hateful but authentic..... isn't there an end to your antisemitism?

I absolutely agree with RTPs statement, glad someone pointed that out!

I loved this year's Eurovision. Great songs and performances abounded. A shame about all of the back stage drama. I don't want all the drama to overshadow an otherwise strong year. I don't have an opinion yet about the applause/anti-booing technology.

@Musimakeup

16 күн бұрын

I agree... Best song quality and show quality for à long time...maybe ever....

The booing was for political reasons and Eurovision is not supposed to be political...so why does it matter whether it's there or not?

@ElguirideCalafell-sb1yz

16 күн бұрын

Covering the booing is also a political statement

The booing isn't the problem, the problem lies somewhere else. People didn't booh out of the blue!!

@miriambenson7617

16 күн бұрын

Booing is a problem and it is disrespectful and unfitting for the Eurovision. The problem lies in the lies you believe. People didn’t vote out of the blue (or violet) either!!

@erangabay

15 күн бұрын

Not the spirit. Politics don't belong here, but if you're talking anyway, educate yourself. Study the conflict, come visit, explore then talk

@user-yg7fv3jo8v

15 күн бұрын

The State of Israel is the state of the Jews, always has been and always will be.

@Prafik614

15 күн бұрын

@@erangabay but several right wing politicians who even said never watch or follow ESC, urged people to vote for Israel. How is that not political voting?

@lisbondiaries9212

15 күн бұрын

@@erangabayPolitics does belong there . Music is inherently political! EBU wants to say Russia was removed due to noncompliance with rules…we all know that is not at all true. They were suspended for political reasons. The same rule should apply to all, including ISraEl. We all know the history. You are obviously from there. We aren’t uneducated or misinformed. We all see the truth.

Welllllll... If its disrespect...any kind of disrespect should be cancelled. If booing is disrespect then of course like any other marks of disrespect it should be cancelled and discouraged.. Why would it be différent?

@ft4709

16 күн бұрын

Yeah but that’s not what they’ve done. They didn’t just try to discourage disrespectful behavior or erase booing from the audio track, they faked a positive audience reaction. That’s something else entirely, especially during a song contest. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t support booing during a performance at all. But two wrongs don't make a right. Whilst booing may result in a disadvantage for Israel (even though I think they actually benefited from it), faking applause is just as much, maybe even more, of a disadvantage for every other contestant who doesn’t get their share of artificially boosted audience support.

@Musimakeup

16 күн бұрын

@@ft4709 i have to admit you're right

@horridwilting640

14 күн бұрын

​@@ft4709so what do you think they could have done right in order to cover up that disrespect?

So proud of my broadcaster to speak up. I think much more will follow after the disqualification. They were really NOT happy to be treated this way after actually hosting twice in 2020 and 2021.

Joost deserves a public apology from the EBU and a resignation from Martin Osterdahl. This edition was in shambles thanks to the organizers.

@meslud

16 күн бұрын

Joost deservedly was disqualified, since the police confirmed that what he did is worth prosecuting.

@callosamiusprometheus7350

16 күн бұрын

​@meslud It wasn't even a crime it was a civil offense (i think that's the correct English term). They let him go home. It wasn't serious. He didn't touch anyone, he made a gesture, already apologised for it. It going to a prosecutor doesn't mean much in Sweden.

@meslud

16 күн бұрын

@@callosamiusprometheus7350 Last news was, that he broke a camera. That would be damage to property, a criminal offense in most European law codes, doesn't mean prison though (criminal offenses are overwhelmingly not punished by prison sentences in Europe); it is violence though. If it is "Ringa skadegörelse", it can be treated as an infraction instead of a felony (I think, that's what you mean with civil offense?), but it's still part of the criminal law, just having a less severe punishment. As I understand it, it's still not clear if it's section 1 or 3, Chapter 12, of the Swedish Penal Code, though. But it clearly was more than just a gesture.

@callosamiusprometheus7350

16 күн бұрын

@@meslud And yet, that isn't what he was reported for. He was reported for "threats," namely a gesture he made towards the camerawoman. Perhaps it startled her and she dropped it, but according to police report there was no physical contact.

@meslud

16 күн бұрын

@@callosamiusprometheus7350 I don't know the police report, so if you know it, please link it. I'm happy to retract then. Whatever the threats where then, I will suspend my judgement until more gets public. But I also know the EBU statement and the swedish press coverage, both of them clearly imply more than just verbal threats, the EBU even going so far as to accuse the dutch TV to misrepresent the story. Also, yes, I'm biased, because I'd really like the EBU to act carefully, and I can't imagine them disqualifying him without some serious incidence, be it physical or "just" a threat (because even threats can be relevant in criminal law).

Booing were political, it is 100% logical that EBU masked it. And btw if the booed werent hiden, israel should have more pity vote

Completely behind the boos FOR MARTIN. Those were deserved. Cannot influence people like this by filtering out boos versus cheers, otherwise its a fix. End of story.

So in a democratic Europe in 2024.... are the EBU terms and conditions above ( legally) than EU or Swedish laws?

@Eva-mp7xg

16 күн бұрын

The rules of the contest can be more restrictive than the laws of the hosting country, for sure. Anyone who participates has to accept the rules of the game.

Im shocked… EBU should leave ESC and some other new company should take over it.

@oliverqueen5883

16 күн бұрын

No, they just need to sack Österdahl and make better decisions going forwards

Every instrumentalist on the Eurovision stage is pretending to play something which they're not really playing. If authenticity is what you're looking for, Eurovision is the wrong show to watch.

Im old enough to remember the first Booing incident in Eurovision way back in 1984 when ,The UK s Belle and the Devotions were booed over an ongoing dispute about fishing quotas between the UK and the rest of Europe! Its really sad that any act should get booed for external issues which are not within their control, but politics has always played a part in Eurovision whether we like it or not, but for an audience to boo to put off a performer is really sad.2024 would have been so much better if Israel had just taken the hit and stepped down for a year, but thats an easy thing to say in retrospect,As for anti booing technology, i think it has its place for the viewers experience......at least they got to hear the song which after all is the point of a song contest.

Damn, how cute is Freddy? ❤

The only thing I could think of was Orwell's 1984...

The problem with knowing that there is a system that's changing the audience sound is that you lose trust in all the performances and not just the ones which it's aimed at. Also think having crowd singing on the actual backing tracks has the same effect. Like many things in life, honesty is a good policy. Osterdahl had the crowd chanting his name last year, how things change!

people might hear tons of enthousiams and support an entry just to go with the flow...kinda unfair

I wonder what stance AVROTROS, & RPT would have if it was their artists being boo'd at in the arena? Would they have taken offence at EBU covering up the boo's?

@Eva-mp7xg

16 күн бұрын

Why would they be booed, that's the first question.

@Marc-is5zz

16 күн бұрын

​@@Eva-mp7xg Im asking what their stance would be if they were to be boo'd.

@Eva-mp7xg

16 күн бұрын

@@Marc-is5zz I'm sure as impartial broadcast companies they wouldn't ask for a cover-up and would take offence if they got one. Just like Martin Österdahl (EBU representative, Swedish guy) had his two big portions of boos, and SVT (the Swedish hosting broadcast company) didn't cover it up at all. Now that I answered your question, it's your turn, why would you think AVROTROS or RPT's representatives would be booed?

@Marc-is5zz

16 күн бұрын

​@@Eva-mp7xg My question is what would their stance be if their artists were boo'd. Im not saying either Netherlands or Portugal are going to be boo'd, my question is if they were boo'd. In the same way if it had been the Swiss, French, Austrian etc etc broadcasters that had objected, I would have questioned if their objections would have been the same if it had been their acts.

@Eva-mp7xg

16 күн бұрын

@@Marc-is5zz I think I've answered your question in my previous comment, but here it is again " I'm sure as impartial broadcast companies they wouldn't ask for a cover-up and would take offence if they got one." Now it's your turn to answer my question, why would you think AVROTROS or RPT's representatives would be booed?

Y lo peor no permitir banderas de la eu

Eurofans were a disgrace this year.

EBU will need AI to create a fanbase around the stage, as they killed all joy . The boo-ing is not good, but this yeat explainable. Especially against EBU as many people already questioned the presence off Israel and the disqualification of Joost Klein, allowing certain delegations (israeli for heavens sake!, instead of being greatful and happy to be part of a festival!!) polarizing the whole thing. Martin Östendahl is the responsible (and face) of all this years dramatic decisions. His position cannot be filled by him any longer.

Osterdahl needs to resign and someone like Jon Ola Sand or someone non-Nordic should take over. Bring back live backing vocals and reform the juries. Also stop manipulating results with running order. And investigate corruption in juries and televoting!!!

@huguihugh9803

15 күн бұрын

There is no corruption on televoting.

@robbert89rl

15 күн бұрын

​@@huguihugh9803but there is manipulation on starting order.

@karinabauer9855

15 күн бұрын

Oh really ​@@huguihugh9803

@irondasgr

10 күн бұрын

@@huguihugh9803I doubt that. I voted 3 times for Israel and I got back a message for each one which said that my vote was counted. I voted another one for France then for which I never got an answer.

Allowing booking and accepting bad behaviour from audience and participants, such as the bullies Joost and Barbie Thug among others toward Israeli Eden Golan.... Well, that will be the end of Eurovision. Allow booing and bullies and political manifestations and who will look and engage themselves in the end...

@Cassie_kitten90

16 күн бұрын

Allowing Israel to stay in the competition will end Eurovision, not the booing

@Irgoe

16 күн бұрын

Bambie and Joost are icons, and actual European. Golum is neither an icon or European. She/Israel should not have a platform of 150m people to broadcast propaganda to the world. She's happy to be the face of a genocidal movement. The EBU allowing that is the end of Eurovision.

The juries gave very little,I don't believe the public fairly gave so many points! 2024 was the worst year EVER

@Eva-mp7xg

15 күн бұрын

Keep on dreaming, it wasn't fair rfom the public, it was totally overrated by lots of political votes. In a normal year these type of songs finish much lower in the televote. See Unicorn's 5th place last year.

@horridwilting640

14 күн бұрын

​@@Eva-mp7xgthe unicorn precedes the october attack so i guess much sympathy from the public to israel was built up from that

@Eva-mp7xg

14 күн бұрын

@@horridwilting640 i know. That's exactly my point. Televotes weren't fair, but all those political votes have massively overrated an otherwise 5-10th position song. Musically, it's nowhere near the 2nd best song of this year.

Österdahl should go, now

Ok, are we talking about the audience's reaction to the song or their opinion on Israel's partition on the Eurovision?

ESC should be held in an arab country incl nemo etc. may be there is more booing. if you like it so bad

I'm really glad that the booing was filtered out. It would have ruined my evening. Very sorry that Eden had to face it.

As a viewer, I am glad they blocked out the booing. The people who were booing have no manners and we shouldn't be disrespectful like that to a performer who is on stage doing their job. Also, as we can see from the televote results, the people who booed are only an extreme minority (a vocal, very loud minority!) and do not represent the majority of ESC viewers, so I am glad we didn't have to put up with that noise on our TVs.

Eurovision does not exist in a political vacuum and nor is it an escape from the reality of life. The ESC has done a great deal for the rights and dignity of marginalised groups than any other TV event I can think of. I think it is ridiculous that the booing was masked by the EBU as the broadcast needs to have the integrity to reflect what happens in the arena.

@valerial5837

15 күн бұрын

Very well said

The booing it's your job.

1) I love the studio cut of Austria, but I didn’t like her live vocal, and the choreography didn't say rave to me. Joost's 10 second break was way more rave than the whole 3 minutes. 2) Malta really hampered themselves with that recap clip. 3) I don't understand the appeal of Isreal's song. To me, it was just as dated as the Icelandic entry but without the fun. Both the song itself and the staging. She's just younger and thinner. 4) The sound this year was really off. Lead vocals too low. Backing vocals too high. Too much of the lead vocals on the backing track.

@markus_ch

15 күн бұрын

" I don't understand the appeal of Isreal's song. To me, it was just as dated as the Icelandic entry but without the fun." Well, maybe there was a reason why this song was "without fun"...

Booing? All I listened to was THE SILENT MAJORITY speaking: MORE THAN 300 POINTS FROM THE TELEVOTE!!! 3:08

Ok you two are silly . The bulling wasn’t organic reaction to the artist if was Politically motivated by bunch of pro jihadists. That you can’t see how unfair it was is crazy

AND they removed the part in Baby Lasagna’s performance where audience sings along that “WHOOOOOOOH” part, they removed it in recap, ew.

@missn7887

13 күн бұрын

They did not! It was heard loud and clear.