Pete Rose should have his own FLOOR in the Hall of Fame!

@docpj72

7 жыл бұрын

heck yeah-4th floor #4256!

@bakershan3825

6 жыл бұрын

Hell, he can have his own building. Right next to the HOF, just not in it.

@peterk6460

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly, well said

@Master-mu8pl

4 жыл бұрын

bakershan3825 You ‘re too young to even watch him

@hbemele8133

4 жыл бұрын

SuperPat88 you got it ! Great idea my favorite my old mans favorite

Green Bay Packer legend Paul Hornig was caught betting on football..not only was he allowed to keep playing, he was a first ballot HOF inductee..didn't seem to ruin his team, the league, the game or the museum in Canton..

@salvatoresultana4058

2 жыл бұрын

And Alex Karras is also in the Hall of Fame now.

@TheABelGuitar

2 жыл бұрын

Baseball is the most pearl-clutching sport in American history. They took a decade longer than other major sports institute replay review. Teams like the Yankees still have a facial hair policy.. A FACIAL HAIR POLICY! MLB wants to act like it’s still directly after the 1919 “black sox” got caught throwing the series and they have to show that they won’t stand up for it. It’s been 104 years. Pete Rose has 4200+ hits! He could have murdered people after his playing career and he would still deserve a spot in Cooperstown. Also.. skip can go fuck himself. Dude has some of the worst takes of any sportscaster in this country.

@ethanweeter2732

Жыл бұрын

He also was caught betting the day of the Super Bowl too, as in he had been gambling the day of or night before the game even.

@DonWan47

4 ай бұрын

And that’s a different sport and different circumstances. Nice try though.

Stephen Smith I agree with you 100% I never heard no one put it any better your let steroid users drug addicts back in the game and they forgive everyone but they won't forgive mr. Rose one of the greatest baseball players ever to play the game and I hope one day he does get inducted

@paleo704

6 жыл бұрын

tone tone yep

@MarkSmithhhh

3 жыл бұрын

Criminal

@ticman1962

3 жыл бұрын

Has any player from the Astro’s been penalized by MLB for cheating to gain advantages to help them out?

@noahhamm2814

3 жыл бұрын

@@ticman1962 Nope and they were more guilty than the coach at the time

@Amick44

2 жыл бұрын

Right on Stephen A! 100%.

"Pete Rose must be banned from baseball for gambling! ... Our sponsor this our is Draft Kings..."

@franklucas7891

4 жыл бұрын

John Deming lol but the Astros can cheat and get away with it !! Wow smh

@timothyhenry5454

4 ай бұрын

Yes Most stadiums now have sport books It unbelievable the hypocrisy I think Pete Rose will eventually get in but it will be posthumously unfortunately & THAT is shameful

The Baseball Hall of Fame will never be legitimate as long as Pete Rose and Joe Jackson are not in it.

@MrSprigg

4 жыл бұрын

Joe Jackson took money from gamblers to purposely lose. Pete Rose bet on his own team to win. These are not the same situation.

@hawgslayers29

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrSprigg joe Jackson hit over .300 that series

@MrSprigg

3 жыл бұрын

@@hawgslayers29 So what? He was talented enough to do that even when he was deliberately not playing at his best. That makes what he did even worse.

@hawgslayers29

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrSprigg you serious right now ? Nobody trying to throw a game is gonna hit .375 in a series . I promise you that

@MrSprigg

3 жыл бұрын

@@hawgslayers29 Joe Jackson was paid $5000 to throw that series. His performance was very good, but this is a guy who hit over .400 more than once. Whether he did his best or not is irrelevant; he took money from gamblers to lose on purpose.

Reason 9595 why I hate Skip Bayless

@alexcorona

6 жыл бұрын

caleb reichenbach he thinks Pete is the only person who did it, tons of famous coaches did as well. Still do, just don't get caught.

@vaitautu2624

3 жыл бұрын

Pete Rose is a Hall of Famer.

Theres no denying how he earned his nickname, dude was one of the most competitive athletes ever. He couldn't cheat his way to 4256 hits, dude is legit. Put him in the damn HOF!

@haydencloud3619

7 жыл бұрын

Sai B exactly. Put him in as a player not a manager. He is one of the most talented players ever he deserves in. He made bets as a manager not a player. How come PED users get in? Using PED is cheating, Rose didn't cheat for his stats. And I know this is another sport but OJ is in the NFL Hall of Fame. We all pretty much know he murdered 2 people. But he stays??

@dantebernardini428

4 жыл бұрын

If you watched him over his entire career, especially toward the end, alot of that "Charlie Hustle was for show. I've seem him head diving into 2nd or 3rd base alot even when the throw wasn't going to those bases. Crowd loved it though.

@hennylo68

3 жыл бұрын

@@haydencloud3619 OJ was acquitted so that means he was innocent. Plus he was voted in the HOF before the so called murders. And betting as a manager is worse than betting as a player. As a manager you can control the outcome of the game since you're the one making decisions. As a player you just control you.

@TheABelGuitar

2 жыл бұрын

@@hennylo68 “OJ was acquitted so that means he was innocent” Lmfao no.. it doesn’t. It means he was not found guilty of the charges against him.. The prosecution shot for the moon with first degree murder charges, which require proof of premeditation. Clark and Darden mounted one of the most horrific prosecutions of all time. Just because he was found not guilty of the charges against him does not mean he did not kill those people… anyone with half a brain knows he killed them.. and the only reason he was found not guilty was because Marcia Clark and Chris Darden went for gold with the charges. They also were absolutely dreadful at jury selection and Marcia Clark might be the most disillusioned prosecution lawyer I have ever seen in my life with how she expected African American jury members to come to a guilty verdict directly following the Rodney king incident. She might be the worst person at reading a room in the history of people.. and my god.. the absolute idiocy of Darden suggesting OJ try the glove on.. Anyone.. ANYONE with half a brain cell in OJ’s seat would make damn sure it looked like the glove didn’t fit. The only reason he was acquitted was because the prosecution was possibly the worst in US history.

@ethanweeter2732

Жыл бұрын

@@haydencloud3619He was a player manager, but he was never going to make it a manager. I think the lifetime ban should mean until they due and after they become eligible to be reinstated. Joe Jackson and tigers should be eligible 100 years later, they can decide not to put them in based on their playing careers before the 1919 WS.

I am 55 years old, a Baseball (Mets) Fan since 1969, Rose was the Best Hitter I ever saw, but, a SOB of the field, he should be in the Baseball Hall of Fame as a Player. Scott :-)

Pete rose did everything with his natural skill unlike the large percentage of athletes doing PEDs, and he can't get credit for what he achieved with raw talent. We forgive the ones who put their bodies in harm to hit the ball farther and throw faster...

@HoboJoe1416

5 жыл бұрын

Volkz337 Amen, brother! How the steroid criminals aren’t stoned when they are within a hundred yards of a baseball park is beyond me. They’ve tainted the statistical fabric of the game.

@robertwhiteside1905

3 жыл бұрын

Joe Jackson was a great player in. his day and would have been in the Hall of Fame had he not been convicted for gambling. Rose did the same thing and that's the way it goes. Can't allowed him in..

@MarkSmithhhh

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, and he was fucking incredible...gimme a God damn break

@TheABelGuitar

2 жыл бұрын

@@HoboJoe1416 as bad as this sounds.. the home run battle between McGuire and Sosa followed by Bonds setting the all time record is what revived baseball. I wish It wouldn’t have taken PED’s to get there, but it’s true nonetheless. Baseball was dying, and the sudden spark of home run records kept it alive.

@TheABelGuitar

2 жыл бұрын

Pete Rose could have murdered a few people after he retired and still been a first ballot unanimous hall of fame’r. Baseball hierarchy is almost nothing but pearl-clutching purists who won’t be alive to see the 2040 season.

Many say Michael Jordan was allegedly betting on basketball in the 90's. During his first retirement press conference he stated, "Five years down the road, if the urge comes back, if the Bulls will have me, if David Stern lets me back in the league, I may come back." Why would he say if David Stern will have him back? It sounds like he was forced out, and to save face he retired quietly. He was under investigation for gambling prior to his retirement. In fact, the day he retired the investigation stopped. Some give that as a reason he left basketball the first time. If Michael Jordan had bet on basketball like Pete Rose bet on baseball, than there is no reason Pete Rose is not in the hall of fame today...

@ethanweeter2732

Жыл бұрын

It is a well known fact that he was told to retire to avoid a scandal. Not sure I can blame Stern if he told him lay low for two years to let the gambling not get out in the open.

*Betting on any sport that you participate in is reason to ban anyone...PERIOD...end of story....maintaining "'Credibility" is necessary for any sport.*

This is the most articulate well thought out argument put forth by Steven A. I agree 100% put Pete in the HOF! & put Skip in a hole.

@Amick44

2 жыл бұрын

I have to agree. BTW, any other such accomplished athlete in ANY sport ever been shunned like Pete? A sport he help popularize for an era!

I usually agree with Skip but in this case he’s totally out of his mind. Steven A Smith is 100% correct. It’s infuriating and maddening that Pete Rose isn’t in the HOF. I’ve met Pete and he’s a really cool guy and very gracious and generous.

Very well said Stephen A. I really admire his ability to find the central points of something with so much shit around it and illustrate what is most important. A rare gift.

With respect to the greats of the game, the Hall of Fame doesn't matter anymore. Rose shouldn't have gambled while still in the league obviously, but he didn't throw ballgames , and that makes a difference.

Pete rose is in the hall of fame. He has multiple jerseys, bats, balls, and helmets encased in Cooperstown

2,165 Doubles? The record is 792 by Tris Speaker.

@jtreedSpeedKillz7

5 жыл бұрын

Billy Causgrove you’re right!! Rose is 2nd all time though with 746 I have no idea why it says 2,165

Pete knew the penalty, and did it anyway. Banned. Joe Jackson didn't gamble but was associated with known gamblers. Banned

"Don't ever take a fence down until you know the reason why it was put up" - Kenesaw Mountain Landis...OK, it was GK Chesterton, but, if you understand the existential crisis that resulted in baseball gamblers being banned from the sport, you'll understand why Pete Rose can't be in the HOF.

@HoboJoe1416

5 жыл бұрын

zipadeed00dah There is a difference. Those banned by Landis and those previous were banned for throwing the games, therefore undermining the public trust in the games’ outcomes. None of Pete’s bets affected the outcome of games or were to throw games. Maybe you need a better understanding of that historical crisis?

@Master-mu8pl

4 жыл бұрын

zipadeed00dah Oh how wrong you are

OMG i cannot believe I agree with Stephen Smith!

@bill1usmc

5 жыл бұрын

Seriously weird... like kissing a first cousin weird... 😂🤣😂🤣

@authenticnitro6894

4 жыл бұрын

Tornado Of Souls me too he was right on

This is the reason why I do not watch anything with Skip Bayless!

Pete is the man and baseball puts his bat and other memorabilia in the hall of fame and not him shame on MLB

Stephen A. makes a great argument balancing the facts with fairness and historical context...and then Skip goes and argues points that Stephen A. didn't even dispute - trying to represent those facts as his rebuttal. Stephen A. wins running away.

@Amick44

2 жыл бұрын

Yes and it goes back to Stephen's point about forgiveness in society AND sports. That Pete has gotten none. By those that have the final say.

As I watch MLB Network and see the sports betting odds scrolling across the bottom of the screen, see and hear the MLB broadcast personalities promoting fantasy sports betting on air, and see sports gambling companies as major sponsors of MLB; it's time to reinstate Pete Rose and "Shoeless" Joe Jackson and induct them into the Hall of Fame. If MLB is going to actively and blatantly encourage people to bet money on MLB games by promoting sports gambling in an invasive manner, what Pete and Joe did doesn't matter anymore.

I agree with sas here, if their gonna give others a pass they should give Pete one for a lot of reasons. If they came down hard on everyone then I would be ok with Pete staying away but that isn’t the case

Smith is saying some of the 1919 Black Sox are in the HOF. Absolutely not true. One of the greatest hitters in the history of the game was among that group. Joe Jackson had a career B.A. of .356; third highest career average all-time. He's STILL on the suspended list and will remain there forever. And we're at 97 years and counting. There were two White Sox players who were NOT involved in the gambling plot who are in the HOF; Ray Schalk and Eddie Collins. That must be who Smith is citing.

@sld67869801

7 жыл бұрын

If Pete gets in then Shoeless Joe and others should get in as well.

@buckfan1969

7 жыл бұрын

Did you read what I wrote above? None of the 8 indicted for gambling is in the HOF, but two Sox players from the 1919 team ARE in the HOF: Eddie Collins and Ray Schalk. Look it up.

@dantebernardini428

4 жыл бұрын

Youre right and that says alot for Skip Bayless, too, because he didn't call him out on it. I don't think either one of them knows baseball very well, at least the history of it.

pete rose should be in the hall period

I think Stephen A is incorrect. Not only aren 't ANY of the players from the Black Sox scandal that were involved, eight of them, in the Hall of Fame, but some of the players that didn't even take money, but just knew about it and didnt alert the club, were also thrown out of baseball. Joe Jackson, who did take money, but if you look at his stats, he certainly didn't seem to throw the world series, also was thrown out. I really think that the only thing that has kept Pete Rose out of the HOF is his own arrogance.

I can think of 4256 reasons why Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame.

Pete Rose threw so many games that he owns most the best stats of all time.

NO Fn way!!! He violated the first commandment of Baseball. Never Forgive never Forget.

@T0mat0_S0up

3 жыл бұрын

Shut up and look at the stats dickhead

Pete Rose did his thing as a player, pre-gambling. I understand if you don't put Rose in the HOF as a manager, but he deserves to be there as a player.

@bakershan3825

6 жыл бұрын

Daniel Toma except he's addmited to gambling while playing, too.

@ethanweeter2732

Жыл бұрын

@@bakershan3825I believe while a player manager, but gambling alone is not bad, it is betting on baseball that gets you the lifetime ban.

Stephen A. was mentioning two members of the 1919 Chicago White Sox who are in the Hall of Fame: he must have been referring to Eddie Collins and Ray Schalk. Those guys though weren't among the 8 banned from baseball for throwing games.

@ethanweeter2732

Жыл бұрын

And there is evidence based on play alone that Joe Jackson might not have thrown the games. Now he took money, though I believe he did return the money, so if he never threw games and returned the money, I think he deserves to be reinstated.

Pete Rose is a Hall Of Famer #14 CHARLIE HUSTLE ⚾️⚾️⚾️

Skip Bayless is the least talented sports analyst that ever lived.

Charlie Hustle greatest hitter I ever saw says this die hard Yankee fan ! Hope he returns he paid his dues

"Brother been servin' 26 years and countin' 😂😂😂

Steven A. is wrong 8 of the 1919 "Black Sox" players were banned for LIFE to include Shoeless Joe Jackson who has a career .356 lifetime batting avg. (3rd highest ever) if you wont let the 3rd highest life time batting average in the HoF almost 100 years after the incident then Pete Rose cannot ever be let in.

@joshfreeman1197

7 жыл бұрын

Matthew Tacha the difference is, the "Black Socks" cheated, Pete never did

Pete Rose should be in the hall of fame period.. Big Papi tested positive and he's in the hall of fame

Why does shortani making $700M who got caught betting and Pete Rose is banned - shameful

As much of a Rose fan as I am I'm torn because I kind of agree with Skip you cannot jeopardize the very game itself or baseball could end up just like horse racing with it's notorious race fixing. As a baseball fan if i thought games were being manipulated I would quit watching as well as a lot of other fans.

@ryanreyes3246

5 жыл бұрын

Get your head out your ass

@ethanweeter2732

Жыл бұрын

You mean boxing?

Steven A always has such sharp points

Pete Rose is not in the hall because of his attitude and that should not keep him out of the building. Pete had a illness like many other humans including athletes. He brought allot to the game. I believe in my heart that if Bart Giamatti was still alive behind close doors he would regret that decision and would want Pete in the hall. He deserves to be in the hall.

@docpj72

7 жыл бұрын

well said...

14 Charlie Hustle HOF

Sometimes I wonder had the black sox scandal never happened would the league have been as strict? They fined the guy a measly $50,000 ...Here's an idea...Fine him $100,000 and let him in the hall!

The rule is clear and every ballplayer knows it. If you bet on baseball, you are banned for life! No exceptions. No second chances. What is there about that don't people understand?

@michaelterrell2108

3 жыл бұрын

People don’t understand that your actions have consequences. Pete Rose is being punished cause he opened Pandora’s box. MLB made an example out of him. Don’t let him in until he passes away.

If you don't believe other athletes have not gambled on their sport, you're being willfully naive. The arguments against Rose are bogus and outdated. It's like holding Prohibition-era charges against breweries.

Pete For The Hall Of Fame!!

If you are going to put Rose in the hall then how about Joe Jackson?

@3ddiagnosis654

6 жыл бұрын

Peter Luk Shoeless?!

@3ddiagnosis654

6 жыл бұрын

Peter Luk Shoeless?!

@trevorb1498

6 жыл бұрын

Peter Luk I forgot that Pete threw an entire World Series for money, it’s been proven he bet on his team to win. But we’ll let all the dudes who used PED’s to allowed to be voted into the game

@emerald3331

6 жыл бұрын

Joe Jackson played very well during the 1919 World Series.

@grantd7545

5 жыл бұрын

Fartin Barton ???

Let Pete Rose into Hall of Fame. With all the crap going on in the majors last 20 yrs, who cares if this man bet on baseball,

Say it, SAY IT. Pete rose should be a HOF

Thank you Stephen A. for summarizing my argument and pointing out the abject hypocrisy in baseball. Performance-enhancing drugs affected the statistics and the very game. Pete’s betting did not. Halt inductions for one year. Install Pete, Shoeless Joe, and any other worthy Black Sox (If they did it, Comiskey drove them to it). Until then, I doubt I’ll be back in a major league park. Pete’s treatment and the ‘94 Strike still leaves a sour taste.

I don't know. He lied about betting for 15 years, finally "comes clean" but said he never bet against his own team. Who knows?And his bats were corked. That's like PED's for singles hitters.

As a player , what he did as a player. He made Money for baseball in working 25 years 61-86..minor league to the major league. . Getting his team to championships. The guy on the right is a hypocrite in that betting has , is tolerated . There is professional betting . People involved in sports and broadcasting are making money than and today and tomorrow.

Pete should be in the Hall as a BROADCASTER---MOST KNOWLDGEBLE, WITTY, AND ENTERTAINING ANALYST EVER...when he talks baseball, he breaks it down beautifully and he commands respect. He is revered by fellow panelists A-Rod and Frank Thomas, they really respect him when he talks X's and O's

Smith is on point with his take.

Baseball is the greatest sports game ever invented it needs Pete Rose to be in The Hall of Fame. Baseball fan since 1975

Holy shit, I agree with sas for once

@fastfootedone

6 жыл бұрын

I often disagree with Smith, but he laid out a fantastic case for Pete, and one that I completely agree with.

As I grow older I start to realize Stephen A Smith is a philosopher in our modern day sport topics.

His biggest mistake is when he came back to the Reds as a player manager. The moment he bet in a position of power, he also did it as a player because his contract stated his role be 2 positions, an active player & manager. If Rose had just retired as an active player, he doesnt break Ty Cobb's record, but he'd definitely be forgiven for his betting days as manager. But his case today was laid to rest when Lou Piniella took over for him the season after his ban & went wire to wire & won a WS championship in 1990. That was a total indictment on Pete Rose: what did he do wrong with that team that Lou got so right? Keep out!

@ethanweeter2732

Жыл бұрын

Yes, but Pete also built most of the core of that team along with the GM. But Lou also had to manage egos and injuries too.

I agree with Stephen A, put the man in the hall. You cant deny what he gave to MLB...

Sorry Pete, you violated the one rule from which there is no return.

Stephen A. Smith. Have just earned my respect.

I don't think it's relevant if Rose says he gambled, but never against the Reds. For years he maintained that he never gambled period, but eventually admitted to that. It looks like a slippery slope. Upholding the ban serves an important purpose. If they don't uphold the ban and eventually let him in, that sends a message to current players that they can do the same, be reprimanded for a period of time, but it'll ultimately amount to a slap on the wrist and no lasting punishment is worth worrying about.

@Greg1096

Жыл бұрын

A 35yr ban is just a slap on the wrist?

Skip does not want Pete Rose nor Terrell Owens to be (their sport) Hall of Famers based only on non-cheating non-stats issues.

Anybody know rhe name of the name of the background song?

Growing up in the seventies, not one kid did not want to play like Pete. He better go in before he dies. I won't watch the game anymore because of it.

by way there isnt a single 1919 black sox player who was banned in the HOFother who werent banned by Landis are in the Hall, and yes Shoeless Joe Jackson and Pete Rose both belong in the HOF

Many years the HOF considers players who have been on ballots for years and they get in based on sympathy. Stop handing out sympathy awards and put in the greatest hitter ever.

If Barry bonds didn’t get stripped of his most home runs for getting caught for juice.Then he should be in the hall of fame.

Pete Rose is 81 years old, MLB should be in the hall of fame!

Should be in the Hall of Fame it’s not even a question

jordan bet on basketball for the bulls to win same thing a rose

@natalieps2387

4 жыл бұрын

Is that a proven fact ?

He's been in the Hall of Fame since his retirement from playing...haters and those that are jealous can't keep him out

The hypocrisy of Skip Bayless is amazing

@Amick44

2 жыл бұрын

As well as several powers that be in baseball.

Skip your wrong on the one. Pete should be in the Hall of Fame. It;s been 30 years now and he has paid the price for his sins. Let it go and Put Charley Hustle in the Hall.

Michael Jordan bet on pro-sports also..He was told to leave the game of b-ball or he was going to be band/bard from the game..Thats why the 2yrs playing baseball....The penalty and price he paid for his actions...He was allowed back because the controversy blew over...Gambling in this country is out of control every body does it....pete has paid for a lot for it its time to forgive not forget but he should be in the HOF..

Pete is the literal undisputed GOAT in baseball by the numbers. On the field, he has more value than Barry Bonds, Sosa, Ken Griffey JR (who is top 3 all time), even more value on the field than Bryce Harper and Mike Trout at this moment, can hit the ball better than any player I just listed left and right handed, PLAYED AS A PLAYER/MANAGER, and has a host of all time records (Ichiro hit 2000 hits in minor league china ball where 80% of players couldn't lace petes cleats), 0 roids, 0 PED's, all organic, Charlie Hustle us the GOAT of all baseball.

Pete Rose HOF Montreal baseball 154 game schedule

@daveyboy_

6 жыл бұрын

Lance Myers i agree with u on Mtl Baseball ( remember when Pete played for Mtl ) but HOF is out of the question

You can’t gamble on a game where your a coach or a manager… It completely ruins the game. Whether he only bet on his own team to win as he alleges we can never really believe that or know if that’s true… plus it makes more sense to bet against your team… Throwing a game is much easier than winning a game. I hope Pete Rose has a good life and he was a great great player but he should not be in the hall of fame

Oh for fucks sakes he's literally one of the greatest players to ever step foot on a baseball diamond...pretty simple

Put him in the hall of fame for crying out loud!!! It’s been 30 years

@rougedemoncollects5239

3 жыл бұрын

I know right?! Utter Bullshit! Pete Rose is 80 years old...LET HIM IN. He's the all time hits leader damnit so what he gambled on baseball. Willie mays AND yankees Icon Mickey mantle were both banned for life but they were reinstated. Now that's hypocrisy. Come on Manfred reinstate Pete Rose because so far your fucking up the national pastime by NOT letting in an all time great into cooperstown. You should be ashamed of yourself commissioner Manfred. You don't care about baseball history at all. You just care about "oh he's a gambler and a criminal. Well guess what?! Let it go forget the past and live in the Present day.

Put Pete in the HOF!

Most Major League umpires bet on baseball how else can you explain their absolute blindness from day to day.

he def should be in

@Amick44

2 жыл бұрын

Let's think for a moment for kids, today and tomorrow, who never saw him play, but see his stats. All time hit leader, 2nd in doubles, I know he's high in triples, too. Played all outfield positions and infield, except short. Most 200 hit seasons. 3 time world series champion. You think they're not gonna wonder why this man is NOT in the HOF? And they either look up the reason or an elder family member, friend or co worker tells them. Just curious about their reaction or thoughts.

I agree with Smith. The simple fact is that Rose did not do anything to affect the results of a single game in an unethical manner. Everyone who used performance-enhancing drugs did exactly that. Rose did not cheat, the others all did. That the others should be forgiven and he should not be is a moral travesty. This is not Black Sox because Rose never bet against his own team. The argument was made that Rose should be penalized because he affected how bookies calculated odds? I’m sorry, but it was not Rose’s responsibility to uphold the ethics of oddsmakers, and that that should outweigh upholding the ethics of the game itself is beyond asinine.

The reason baseball is so against gambling is because of the Chicago Black Sox who bet on themselves to lose the world series and purposefully lost the series to win their bets. This act almost killed MLB and MLB had to take drastic steps to ban any form of gambling In the sport of baseball. Now that being said, Pete Rose only bet on baseball when he was a manager and never as a player. This is a tough topic because if you understand the historical origin of gambling in baseball you can understand why this was so serious, but Rose did this after he retired from playing baseball. I think the Hall of Fame should acknowledge his accomplishments as a player but never give him a plague or shrine like other players.

@ethanweeter2732

Жыл бұрын

That was not what killed it almost, wasn’t that when even with Ruth, it was a dead ball era?

Pete rose should be in the hall of fame because of his numbers on the field baseball not letting Pete rose in the hall of fame is as stupid as the NCAA takeing away joe paternoster wins at penn state while he’s still alive then they give paterno all his wins back to him after he died that makes makes no sense to me at all

My fav Baseball player.

In a word, NO. Lifetime ban means LIFETIME BAN. It's the No. 1 rule. When players walk into any clubhouse in any stadium in baseball, they see this rule: "Any player, umpire, or club official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has no duty to perform shall be declared ineligible for one year. Any player, umpire, or club or league official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible."

Steven A "banging the drum" for Pete Rose.

True baseball fans hold Pete Rose in high regard despite the gambling

@DonWan47

4 ай бұрын

No we don’t.

He should not be in the hall of fame. Nothing can be proven as to whether or not he paid off people to play poorly or made decisions as a coach that negatively effected his team just to make some extra money. If he did do these things, then the statistics of baseball and people's careers were changed by his wrongdoings. I do however feel he should not be banned from the MLB, he is a changed man and deserves to be a part of the organization he once represented. What he did as a player and coach should keep him out of the hall of fame, but he deserves forgiveness for what he did. I feel he regrets these decisions and should not be banned from the MLB, he already has it bad enough having one of the greatest careers of all time and not being allowed in the HOF

I think they will let him in after he dies. That's his punishment. Loved watching him and The Big Red Machine as a kid. Pete Rose IS Baseball.

Good debate - I side with Steven A Smith -

I've seen a lot of players in baseball and football that should have banned them from their sport! Roberto Alomar, spitting in an umpires face, Steve Howe, had countless number of problems with street drugs. Players going into stands to fight fans. Mets player throwing firecrackers at Dodger fans and seriously injuring them. A football player punches and knocks out his girlfriend in an elevator. Another football player runs a dog fighting business. Those are just some of the ones I can think of off the top of my head. All of these athletes never got banned from their sport! They had mentioned about criminals getting their freedom back with less time for punishment! The message I got from the Pete Rose, ban is you can commit any crime but never gamble!!! Tommy Lasorda's message can be tossed in the trash! I grew up in the beach cities of L.A. and was a Dodger fan until I saw a new Dodger that just signed a 325 million dollar contract and took a knee to our nations colors! I haven't seen a game since and didn't even know the Dodgers won the 2020 World Series until days later! I remember when he pulled other starting pitchers out of a game after giving up only a couple of runs and when Fernando Valenzuela pitched, Lasorda kept him in the game until he gave up 8 or more runs and very little chance for the team to come back. I would say that politics is very much a part of sports and I think, Pete Rose, pissed off the wrong politician! If we had a national vote to get Pete Rose, into the HOF, I think it would be surprising to the idiots who wants to keep him out! Pete Rose, earned a spot in the Hall! I'll not watch another game until he's inducted! I haven't eaten any ice cream since 2008. So, that will be a piece of cake!!! Feb. 2022

Stephen A. hurt his argument by asserting that several members of the 1919 Black Sox have been inducted to the HOF. None of them have, even though two of the greatest players of all time, Buck Weaver and Shoeless Joe Jackson, were on that team and constantly petitioned baseball to be reinstated, to no avail. And the evidence shows that Weaver might not have been guilty of anything but sitting in on a couple of meetings of the crooked players, and Jackson appears to have played the Series on the level, as he hit and fielded very well. Nonetheless, at the very least the new commissioner, Kenesaw Mountain Landis, decided they were guilty by association and banned them for life along with the other guys who threw the series, and none of them got anywhere near the Hall. Well, that's not entirely true -- the owner of the White Sox, Charles Comiskey, got in to the Hall, even though it is very clear that he was alerted to what was going on throughout the World Series but was only concerned with covering up the scandal, not reporting it honestly to the commission that ruled baseball at that time. But he was an owner, not a lowly peon in a uniform, so as baseball royalty he got a pass. His getting into the HOF, though, makes about as much sense as Bowie Kuhn getting in. I would love to see Pete Rose in the Hall, as he was one of my favorite players (I saw him get 5 hits in the first game of a doubleheader back in '76, and when he came up a 6th time in extra innings he hit a line drive that was caught with a leap at the centerfield wall. Just a great performance.) Statistically and intrinsically he is far and away one of the greatest players ever. But the rules against gambling had been laid down after Landis took charge, and not only did Pete defy them, he lied over and over and over about it. Comparing his situation with that of steroid users who get reinstated (even multiple times) is really a false analogy: there were no actual rules against steroid use when that era began, and it's very clear that when guys like McGwire, Sosa and Bonds started breaking records the owners and the commissioner were all too happy to turn a blind eye because the ballparks were filling again after the disastrous strike of the mid-90's, and they were delighted that the coffers were overflowing. It was only when the media began investigating, and the records got so absurd, that baseball began to lay down stringent rules against steroid use. Also, as Bonds got closer and closer to breaking Hank Aaron's record the commissioner, Bud Sielig, really started having a change of heart about steroids because Hank Aaron was his favorite player and a close personal friend. But, again, PED's are not like gambling. They shouldn't be part of the game, but they don't entirely threaten the integrity of the game as a player or manager who could possibly be compromised by gamblers or organized crime does.

@allcinionexplainsitall5869

3 жыл бұрын

@Say Hey taking steroids should be viewed more harshly than someone betting on baseball 🤦🏿‍♂️

@dennisholiday1868

3 жыл бұрын

Eddie Collins played second base and the catcher Charles Shauk is in The Hall Of Fame.

At 00:41 that graphic should say 2,165 runs scored, not doubles. And they show it again at 03:40 unbelievable. Where are the fact checkers?

@HoboJoe1416

5 жыл бұрын

jgarrison1309 He had 746 doubles.

Pete Rose, should be in the "Hall Of Fame" Today, the Supreme Court, said that gambling on Sports, is legal!! DO INDUCT PETE ROSE IN THE "HALL OF FAME!" 👍⚾👍⚾👍

@ceciliem1811

6 жыл бұрын

Stephen A. Smith, PREACH, AND TELL THE TRUTH!!! 👍⚾👍

The person in the middle between Stephen A and Skip... "What would you say you do here?"