This reminds me of a conversation i had with a work mate who's visiting from Australia. He mentioned he had a Holden V8 WB ute back home and was thinking about putting a 355 stroker kit in it. At the time i said a LS/460le would probably be easier and cheaper and yield better results. But one thing i wasn't thinking about is the purity factor and the fact the cars are just as much emotion as function. Also being a proud Australian he wants to represent the local product. In all those respects a LS would be wrong. So now I get it.

@BarnesysBuilds

22 күн бұрын

Yes the LS is definitely a more economical option and the “bang for your buck” factor is very good but it is about the old Holden engines in these old Utes. The sound is just different in the Holden cast iron block, different firing order, combined with the nostalgia and it’s really the only way to go to honour the true origins of the Holden H series Utes. Specifically the old WB

Tony really is the guru when it comes to the iron lion. I live in Adelaide and have the pleasure of seeing his reputation go national as soon as the big players start rubbing shoulders. That bloke lives and breathes his product.

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

He certainly had a good reputation, looking forward to getting it fired up in the Ute.

Great video 👍 glad you guys got it sorted.

Engine sounds great👌👌

glad it worked out in the end great stuff looking forward to the next one

Good work Tony and Con 👍

Wow. Great you had the pros onboard. Saved yourself a world of pain👍

what a nightmare glad you perservereed and the guys were great.

Good result in the end..and these things can happen to the best of us ,and test everyone involved.The customer was so patient, so kudos. Its also important to stick by your engine builder through the rough times.

Nothing like watching such safe hands with those pros problem solving and resolving with all their experience. That was really good information to pass on. Great episode!

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Peter 👍

Gday, it’s bloody awesome to see guys willing to go that extra mile to make sure the jobs done right, just found your channel and liking what I see already, Cheers

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Thanks mate🤙

That is one of the neatest engine shops I’ve seen. A lot of knowledge between those boys by the looks. Good to get it done properly the first time! this motor looks mint., clean as. Great watch Barnsey. Been watching since you started this Ute. Good to see some new vids cheers mate

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, Yeah it's a nice engine, nice power and can't wait to get it in the ute. thanks for sticking with the build!

Great episode Barnesy, i had a tear in my eye watching the engine failures and the effort you went through with Tony and Con. I'm glad you went to this extent with the engine or this would be a shed nightmare and possibly a destroyed motor. The HP is great for what it is and i'm sure it'll be fun to drive. Take care mate, look forward to the next episode.

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, it certainly was a stressful few days, hopefully it's solid now going into the future. Looking forward to getting it in the ute next. 👍

That's the first video of yours I have seen. Good to see TK with the 355". I'll keep an eye out for more of your videos from now on. 🇳🇿

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Cheers mate👍

Had a feeling to get it all sorted by the pros, so glad you did..Some things you need years of experience and ace troubleshooting skills...Onwards Barnsey..

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it was the right move, cheers mate

I somehow missed this episode, but wow. What a testing last few months. All the machining is done in my engine including the heads, but only got the bottom end assembled so far. But I'll be getting it dyno tuned after watching this. What a ride.

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it was a wild ride, thought a few times I had done my dosh! Worth getting a dyno for sure

Bad luck to start with, Barnesy, you got a win in the end.

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Yeah came good in the end, I am happy it's a old school solidly build engine now. Cheers

Props to you for sticking by your engine builder and not flying off the handle trying to point the finger. You had an expert on the case in TK, and I'd say that lifter failed due to the original seized cam bearing. Fantastic case for why you use an engine dyno. I'm a firm believer, and my 383 will definitely go on one in the hunt for 700hp.

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it defintely cemented my belief in the Dyno process, sure if you have an old standard thong slapper rebuild you could get away with it in your shed, but once you start chasing those HP'S as you would be fuly aware things need to be dialled. Nice work on the channel as well, enjoy the content.

@alonzahanks1182

4 ай бұрын

@@BarnesysBuilds Crane anti pump up Lifters work realy good . 65000 miles on 144 Blown engine and have 0 concave on bottom of lifters. All race miles and still Brand new comp Supercharger 400 pound Valve Springs 0 valve float .

Gr8 vid, next level stuff. It’s scary stuff having an engine built, you’d expect it to be fine from the get go. Can you imagine if you just took delivery of it straight up, then fitted it expecting it to be right as reins as you’d spent your hard earned, only for it to failed on you.

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it's something I didn't think about really, you expect it to happen if you tried it yourself. Sign of the times with parts. Got there in the end that's the wmain objective. Cheers

Great video mate and top marks to Tony and Con for their great work. I guess you can't name the manufacturer of the cam bearings on this platform but its something that the engine building world should be aware of. I've been watching your build since the start and I've enjoyed every step. Now for the heart transplant and gearbox.

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Troy, unfortunately I can't for insurance reasons name the brands however happy to answer on a PM in Instagram if you so wish. We swapped to Dura Bond bearings which are fine. Thanks for sticking we the build as well appreciate the help along the way.

@walkinshawkiwi

Жыл бұрын

There really is only two brands dura bond and

Good to see NO keyboard warriors bagging the builders. I had a clevo years ago that i freshened and changed from Auto to top loader. never had a TL before and didnt know about the starter motor spacer... anyhow after a short run in, it came to the same sounding screaching, gut wrenching sound yours did the first time cos it rips the starter gear past the flywheel gear and then seizes up the str mtr. A wise man once said, we learn from our mistakes... so just a couple of tips from my lessons that cost me dearly in my early years 1. never use thread tape near methanol 2. always lube your convertor snout with vass 3. ALWAYS earth ignitons to the engine, not just to chassis 4. Brand new name brand parts can perform sexual abuse too.

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Cheers for the tips mate👍

My god, what a roller coaster that would have been for you.

Hell of a ride mate but it’s looking amazing , great to see it installed , the end of the tunnel is getting closer, you’ll need a new project once completed the Ute

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Certainly was, yeah it will be the goods once in, I do have the HZ ready to go...

Wow I feel better now just had same lifter problem on a 400 Cleveland engine , lasted 4 minutes . Never had a problem in 40 years !! Lifters we’re soft as butter

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Sorry to hear mate, 4 minutes is disgraceful, I don't know how they can live with themselves churning out crappy components like that.

You poor bloke mate ! Disgusting that new parts let u down ! Glad to see you get through it ! Sounds awesome and 460 hp is really good for a 350 cu motor that is street driven .

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Yeah cheers mate, it is very bad that manufacturers think it's ok to send out parts like that. Hopefully with all the talk going on about people having similar engine issues around the world something will change. Fingers crossed

Seems to be close to winter time in that area. We’re feeling the pains of parts failures here in the US as everyone is probably aware of. I have a home based engine machine shop and it’s grown painful to even try and find parts right now. Still hopes for a better day. Hope you all the best with this project. Thanks for sharing your experiences and you humble nature. It is sure appreciated.

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Yes nice and cold, it's actually heading out of winter into spring now. I was unaware of this parts issue but certainly am now! I'm glad it's sorted and I just hope there is nothing else in there that will break as well.

@hughobrien4139

Жыл бұрын

I am impressed with your engine builders morale during these adverse times. He hung in there and made corrections and fixes with a great attitude. We’re seeing plenty of flat cams even we broken correct as this job was.

Wow what a ride, hope the new clutch packs and bands for the th350 are of quality.

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Good point might pay to mention that to Paul Rogers

On ya Tony & Con

Awesome video mate! Very interesting and what an eye opener. You have converted me, I was going to go the LS route like everyone else but I’m definitely going to go with the 308 / 355 combo. You have been a big inspiration for me to finally pull my finger out and get working on my WB after 20 years of her sitting there, So thank you very much mate! Can’t wait for the next t episode legend.

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, yeah good decision. I also found out that they do sound different to an LS as the firing order is different in the old Holden 308 so it makes the note different and notably better on my opinion. Thanks for watching and good luck with the 355👍

@simonjosegirbau

Жыл бұрын

I 110% with you about the sound! Something satisfying about hearing that angry old school sound! Thanks heaps mate. You’re doing an amazing job and the car is turning into such a beautiful rig!

@TorqHub

Жыл бұрын

Good to hear you've seen the light Simon. Long live the iron lion!

@jacksmiththeboss

Жыл бұрын

An LS would be a much better choice.

@simonjosegirbau

Жыл бұрын

@@jacksmiththeboss yeah for sure, If you want to be like every other man and his dog! 110% mate!

all the good reasons to dyno an engine for sure.I built a run stand to break in the engines before going to the dyno. on changing valve springs with the moroso tool like that once the spring is pulled down remove the handle frpm the tool because I had tool tool release and the handle hit me in the eye with the rubber grip. my eye is ok severe pain for a week. just saying. Cheers

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Yes for sure, all a learning process for myself.

They’re like surgeons. Certainly know where my next engine is being rebuilt and dyno’ed

@paullang1961

Жыл бұрын

yeah nah

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Yeah they were fantastic all things considered.

Thanks heaps for sharing mate.. really feel for you! rollercoaster indeed, it really shouldn't be that bad though ... can legal action be taken against the manufacturer? bearings and lifters have a job, a very important one.. if they can't do that then there has to be some sort of class action and/or compensation for the damaged caused .. the lifters especially are becoming notorious for it .. Makes me immensely glad i sucked it up and am going roller, though that is no complete guarantee either. Great power figure in the end, 280 is a decent cam and it looks like you're peaking under 6k which is very nice

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, yes insurance claim will be underway from Tony hence why I couldn't mention any brands. It is a heavily unregulated industry however so hard to know if anything will be done, the best way to try and make change is getting videos like this out there and people will push back on the parts they use. Word gets around quickly so they will see a drop in sales eventually and will be forced to change for the better, or move aside. I guess I went with Tony's advise on the CAM choice, roller does sound the goods but he assured me at this HP level a flat tappet CAM is more reliable. Go figure, I have a lot to learn with engines so have to go with advise sometimes. Yeah 280 is a good street CAM I reckon

@rommel3740

Жыл бұрын

When you have an outcome could you mention what brands wer used mate I think a lot of people would like to know for future builds. Great video mate all the best 👌🏻👍🏻

It will take 10,000 kms for the motor to loosen up properly, should get more than that out of it then. The carby looks suspiciously like a Holley. Otherwise, what a bugger of a run. I rebuilt my 253 20 years ago thank goodness and it goes like a champion. Jeff

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Yeah the brawler carbys are pretty good, not sure of the design inspo however. Yeah I won't be flogging this engine but as long as it's reliable and makes good responsive power I will be happy. The Torque converter will be crucial in that delivery with the auto. Cheers

@borismcfinnigan3430

Жыл бұрын

Design inspo? They are literally made by Holley, they are a Holley.

Uncle Tony's Garage has been banging on about this for a while.It's through almost all engine parts now.

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Will check it out👍

@marcgucciardo1942

Жыл бұрын

Yes Utg and a few other guys I follow are having the same issues. In fact a friend of mine wiped out a cam the other day.

Fantastic episode Barnesy. So glad that you got the dyno done. I wasn't going to get it done but will definitely get it done now! Its such a shame that the world is so dependent on China for manufacturing complete JUNK!! Con and Tony were fantastic with the work they did to help you get your engine set up!!

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, yes definitely glad I got it done, saved a potential huge headache. Hopefully it's all good going forward now once it's in and running. Yeah I would suggest it's worth it for sure.

Gotta love holdens🤣

first it was the change in oil formulas now it's china crappy manufacturing, good call to dyno before the install. sorry to see you go through that but man, you kept your cool, listened to the expert and persevered! great video, hopefully others will learn from it. cheers from California!

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, yeah sign of the times or just bad luck, I guess we will never really know but definitely something to watch out for these days. Cheers

Good vlog - shame you had the engine probs but at least it's all working now. 455bhp. That's a bit tasty.

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Cheers, yes hopefully it's all good long term and is reliable now.

Hey mate. I had the same problem with the same camshaft.

The lifters con had were cold chilled lifters and being old stock are proper metalurgy not the soft crap we get now .

Had same problem with a lifter failure within half hour of run time. Did the correct procedure of run in but after that have been hearing of alot of story's exactly the same.

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

How did you fix it and how's it running now?

@cozgarage2680

Жыл бұрын

@@BarnesysBuilds changed brand of cam and lifters. It's good now done about 2500km. Also had Tony build me a 355 solid flat tappet engine for another customers build which hadn't skipped a beat either. Done 3500km now

The world of bad parts it's insane when I was building cars in drag racing didn't have any of these problems this is ridiculous modern technology should not have problems have a great day

Lifters have been the largest problem in this mess sorry to see you had the problem

I built a 355 mild comp cam 10.5 comp rollers valve job mild port 445hp

That's why a roller cam is always a better decision these days

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Well I went with the engine builders advice and he reckons solid flat tappet cams at this HP range are actually more reliable than small hydraulic rollers given the components are like they are meant to be. At the end of the day Tony has built a thousand flat tappet CAM engines and has a great reputation for building solid reliable good horsepower engines.

Oh jesus, i was thinking about rebuilding my 253, i think i will leave it and put up with the 1 noisy lifter on start up.

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

You will be right if you can find old new stock parts.

Unlucky mate glad the problems were caught early im guess it was a crane cam and lifters that you were using? Also when you get the motor back in the car run a bottle of the crane cam zinic additive with your oil it will help the flat tappet solid cam last longer 😀

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Yeah was a bad run of luck but still got the end result so can't complain at the end of the day. I can't mention brand names unfortunately for insurance reasons here but happy to let you know via PM in Instagram.

@Steve-po6eb

Жыл бұрын

No worries mate, the Ute's going to be a handful once done! Nothing beats the sound of a mean 355!

Enjoyed the Episode! In addition to Chicommie parts, I’d be very concerned about the possibility there’s might be a restriction the oil feed to the camshaft area, since both of your issues were cam related. Do you have a way to monitor the pressure at the cam bearing area. My old chevy has a plug where I can. Speaking to your 458HP, we have an American trick, which works every time for that extra few horsepower we’re striving for. Two good coats of CHEVY ENGINE ORANGE will have that Holden over 460!

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

The block had oil mods to open up the common restriction areas plus mods to the oil pump to make it stronger. As you saw the engine wasn't even up to revs and the CAM bearings seized so it's definitely faulty manufacturing, incorrect steel finish, not hard enough. And yes red paint always adds extra HP😂

I feel your pain. Well done persisting and showing the failures in all their glory. I take it ACL bearings and NASON lifters are not on the future shopping list?

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Cheers, yes certainly not, although I'm sure they aren't alone either.

Mate, that was heart breaking to watch - but you really dug deep and pulled thru 💪 Just my 2 cents - not a bad thing to stick a couple of neodymium magnets in the oil pan before the pickup - last ditch effort to stop swarf taking a second lap of the motor ! 🙏👍

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Thanks mate yeah good idea will do that for sure, I will drop the oil again as well before she fires again in the ute just to make sure.

@beauchamp1763

Жыл бұрын

What oil are you using?

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

@@beauchamp1763 not sure as yet, probably Nulon brand as that's the local brand I have access to. Tony used 20W 60 on the break-in plus zinc additive.

Bloody hell, I'm lucky I built my engine just before the pandemic began, just missed out on all this dodgy parts mayhem, thank god. Good power and torque figures though mate, be interesting to see what it makes at the rear compared.

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Definitely! Yeah hoping with an accurate stall quality torque converter a lot of that power can be transferred to the wheels.

@DelphinsShed

Жыл бұрын

@@BarnesysBuilds should see at least 380rwhp and depending what diff gears you're doing, traction is a thing of the past, mine is pretty mild, essentially the same as your setup but with a torque power high rise dual plane manifold and a 286 hyd ft cam(for now), and it lights up 1st and 2nd on just part throttle alone in a VS sedan. so with your setup, it'll be a handful in a ute. good fun.

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

@@DelphinsShed 😂 fuck yeah, it's going to be a handful for sure then in the ute. I have a 3.36 ratio diff as well

Shit mate that was stressful, I’m getting a 308 built at the moment hopefully I don’t have those issues

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Just check your bearings and lifters online to see if they have changed manufacturing recently

I don't fit flat tappet cams anymore to performance engines have had failures with them also go to a roller mate make sure the lifters are rotating if you have to go flat tappet done a 308 2 weeks ago and one lobe wasn't rotating so I sent the cam back and got another one all rotated on it same lifters the problem is in the cam grind should have a 2 th taper very nice engine makes good power

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Swapped from crane to COMP cam in the end. Made good power in the end. Hopefully stable from here on in. Cheers

You should eventually go with a torque power high rise single plane manifold for your combo I have the high rise dual plane on my 308 and it beats the hell of the old edelbrock performer

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Want to keep it all under the bonnet that's why I chose the single plane low rise manifold. 458 HP is more than enough for the old ute. That redline manifold is great

I bet the supplier won't compromise a $ comp not fair for Tony or any engine rebuilder but looks like it hammer pritty good in the ute 👍

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I didn't mention names so Tony can get reimbursement. Yeah should be awesome once dropped in. Can't wait

Go the old soft block not bad at all 450 hp

Was talking to tony about this the other week, as much as this should of never of happened, it happened at the rite place with the rite people around it t get it sorted

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Yeah agreed 👍

I'll bet yoou're glad you didn't try this yourself mate. You made the right call.

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely, 110% made the right call

glad you got it sorted barnsey but i'd be concerned where all that metal went when ever i've had issues like that i stripped the engine and cleaned it 🤔🤐🤨

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I know, I guess at the end of the day you have to place your faith in the engine builder and dyno guy and if they said it was cleaned out then I believe it was cleaned out. It was flushed twice so anything that was left over would be insignificant.

Wow..im also in the process of having a 355 built.15 months in and the last part just arrived.hopefully i dont have these issues on the dyno.u mentioned single plane manifold.im going dual to fit under bonnet.what fuel pump are u using?mechanical or electric

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

I didn't think a dual plane would fit under? Maybe I got that wrong with single plane. Makes great power either way. You might make 470hp with a bigger manifold but i am the same I want it under the bonnet. I will go an electric fuel pump. Probably a Holley blue or there abouts

Shame about the audio. Otherwise great . I remember the 355's in Street Machine mag in the early mid 90's. Awesome donk

What a roller coaster of a vid. Lucky the guys could reserect your engine. well done to them! 👏🏻 What size cam did you end up going in it?

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

It was a great effort. Went with a 280 CAM the whole way through just changed from crane to COMP in the end.

great video mate. What brand cam did you end up using? what are the specs?

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, it's running a COMP 280 solid CAM with slightly larger valves at 2.02

Hard luck mate. Too many failures of late with flat tappet lifter setups. Hydro roller is the go these days.

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Yeah everyone says hydro rollers now but surely once upon a time flat tappet cams worked fine. I guess we will see!

They farked up installing the bearing, all my years as an engine reconditioner, never has a cam bearing farmed up, it was only ever due to the bad fitting and poor sizing when fitted . And I have done a lot of Holden 5 litre engines including race units. You was fed some b.s

@busarob1969

Жыл бұрын

A decent engine builder would have used acl bearings . No issues!

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

@@busarob1969 well that's the ironic thing right there...

You have to look on the bright side Barnesy... You can now tell everyone you've done a 13 second run when they ask how fast your motor is. As gutted as you must be its better to happen now than later. Good luck with the rest of the build mate!

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Ha yes, nice little spin on it

What a roller coaster ride mate…. Faaarrrkkkk Tony is a great guy and engine builder. I’m sure that 355 will make the Ute haul the mail mate. What brand of replacement cam bearings did you end up fitting please? Were the replacement lifters an EDM style solid lifters? Looking forward to seeing the engine in the Ute 👍🏻🇦🇺

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Yes he is mate, and he stuck with it as well. Bearing replacements were Dura bearings. Yes can't wait to see it in the ute as well. Cheers

@bigal878

Жыл бұрын

Do you mean Dura Bond cam bearings? Thanks

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

@@bigal878 yes that is correct

That sounded like a pissy crank bearing. Fock it, I say runnit !!

He knew the cam bearings are junk….yet chose to use them!?! 😂

@alonzahanks1182

4 ай бұрын

Chinese Who Does That? My buddies Say Cleavite 77s Battle proven over 100 years in Pro Racers. Id be good with Bi metal or expensive moly coated , But Chinese Summit Brand would do .

Are you able to tell us the brand of lifters that were old stock that ended up being used? Looked like Delphi?

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

I did follow up on that for this very reason but I can't bloody remember, may have been eagle

how ya going 🍻

You had the same scenario as me with the cam and lifters. i have a 253 and straight away it rolled a lobe. These cams are cheap metal.

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Yeah seems it is all too common, CAM was good it was the lifters that failed.

Wow a carburetor didn't know they still made them how quaint.

@JosephCowen-ru7up

11 ай бұрын

For max HP a carbie is equal to EFI , why bother with all those wires !?

@bobdillon1138

11 ай бұрын

Because it is infinitely more adjustable and less likely to lean out and cook your engine.

should have taken it to Peter Micheals when in Adelaide, he would have got you over 600hp reliable out of a 355 if he built it i know as he got well over that out of my 355 20 years ago, shit Steve from PM Engines 308 was making over 480hp on a stock crank and b-casting heads with 98 ran 10's in Steve's HK monaro, Con would know their is no one who can build 308's like PM, even Pete's arch nemiss Bob Sherry couldn't beat him, if you walk into his office there is a poster on the wall of a LX Torana wheel standing that was us it made 598hp with stock crank and b-cast heads every record breaking 308's came out of Adelaide, Peter Micheal, Bob sherry, Steve Haddock, Simon Butterworth, Steve Englehard most of them broke national records Simon Butterworth's VL commodore still held the record for A/Street, other guy who Pete helps is Steve Norman and just about every sprint car here in Adelaide and a bunch of Drag Racing guys from Adelaide

I'm wondering how did they actually clean out the engine without total disassembly?

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

I wasn't there for that but I'm they flushed it out twice and assessed it and wouldn't have proceeded if they weren't happy. Oil filter would've done it's job and as it was caught early there was very minimal debris from one lifter.

Looked like there was no lube on that bearing at all, and the chances of doing two engines with two sets of bearings, that are knackered are very high odds

@BarnesysBuilds

10 ай бұрын

Yep, that's the question I guess will never be fully answered.

So it partly seizes up and then change cam bearings without stripping engine down with cleaningvall galleries lets see how long it last this time

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Engine had manifold off, engine was flushed twice and oil filter would grab any particles before any damage was done. It wasn't running for long so nothing was scored. They were happy it was clean and so was I and have no problem with moving forward with it from here. Cheers

Now a damaged cam lifters? I would chasing a new engine builder Dyno tuner.

Wow, that’s harrowing 😩. Glad you got a good result. Who pays for the crap parts failing, not really any ones fault but the manufacturer, very shit situation for everyone. How long till engine builders won’t touch them?

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Yeah will have to be the manufacturer picking up the bill, all the evidence is there clear as day so shouldn't be a problem.

458hp is decent hp for an aspirated v8.. What comp was the engine build mate ?

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

I don't actually know mate🤔 I think he mentioned it in the video at some stage

Oil is a very important thing😂😂😂

What kind of coating is that on the headers

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Just a factory paint which basically just protects the metal from rusting, it's useless long term, just burns off.

Those lifters look really familiar!! Bet the brand starts with a c!!? :(

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Incorrect, PM me on Instagram if you would like to know brand, can't say on this platform for insurance reasons

It would be great if you tell us which brand of cam bearings and lifters to to watch out for.

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Shoot me a message on Instagram and happy too, just can't on this platform for insurance reasons.

@borismcfinnigan3430

Жыл бұрын

@@BarnesysBuilds Insurance reasons? What is that even supposed to mean?

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

@@borismcfinnigan3430 yeah go figure, that's what I was told. I am not out to shit can brands after one failure of mine. If you want to know PM me.

@borismcfinnigan3430

Жыл бұрын

@@BarnesysBuilds i see it more as helping your fellow car people out but anyhow. You must not be 100 percent it was the parts fault

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

@@borismcfinnigan3430 it wasn't my call it was the engine builder's

Jesus, what brand bearings? I'm building a 304 at the moment and want to check before firing.

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately for insurance reasons i am unable to publicly say what brand bearings. PM me on Instagram if you would like some more info.

@paullang1961

Жыл бұрын

@@BarnesysBuilds lol bullshit

C-h-y-n-a-!-!-!-!

What was the brand of lifters you used originally, i need a new set and a cam

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

As in before the rebuild?

@jimclarke1108

Жыл бұрын

@@BarnesysBuilds The lifters that the cam damaged

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

@@jimclarke1108 Nason lifters

@jimclarke1108

Жыл бұрын

@@BarnesysBuilds I bought that brand of timing chain, not sure if i want to fit it to the engine?

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

@@jimclarke1108 depends if it's old stock, i know a lot of brands have switched to Chinese manufacturing of recent times and apparently during COVID maybe corners were cut. Not sure what to believe but if you can get your hands on new old stock lifters then get those

is crow cams ok for parts

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Yes

Check out the car wizard KZread channel he had 2 cams fail on 2 engines put back together very interesting

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Just watched, very similar stories for sure! Thanks

Are there any Aussie made ones available now?

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

I don't know if there ever have been any Aussie lifters, all American I think.

@Steve-po6eb

Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure crow cams are made in Australia

Gr8 video, all i can say is stop usi g shitty Ryco Oil Filters, absolute crap. If you want your engine to last, only use 'Baldwin' filters. ( the orange/red colored ones ) Best tip i can offer you.... thank me later...lol

@BarnesysBuilds

11 ай бұрын

Wasn't my call, engine builders, I will change it again before start up anyway. Cheers

@DURRIESVISION

11 ай бұрын

@@BarnesysBuilds another good tip is run a Moroso screen filter on your oil filter. Best $50 invested. Everytime you change your filter you can look at the screen and see if there is any metal. Clean the screen and reuse. Moroso Part# 23845. Not everybody knows about them. Maybe your engine builder would.

@DURRIESVISION

11 ай бұрын

@@BarnesysBuilds , also the Baldwin Filter # B9. ( only use the orange - red colored filters )

Dandenong engine centre is the best Barnsey sadly this loss is not good

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

All good in the end but certainly a roller coaster ride!

Mate I feel for you. All that complexity, expense and effort to get 400-500HP. And then a EV comes along and blows you away, with virtually 2 moving parts. Anyway that said I still love V8's.

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

I'm not concerned about being beaten by EV cars mate, it's all about keeping some old school Australian motoring history alive for me, oh and they give you the V8 sound and experience you will never get from an EV vehicle. In my eyes that's worth every cent.

@JosephCowen-ru7up

11 ай бұрын

Really , have you ever seen a lithium phone battery explode taking off a man's hand , now try that by 1000 ! And HP ain't everything , it is not even a real measure of power, I had a 1991 ZZR 600 and it made 100hp at 13500 rpm , my mate has a 9000cc D4 Dozer and it makes 100hp which one is more powerful ?

Nice HP number at less than 6000 rpm. There must be some junk parts being sold these days, so wrong.

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Yeah happy with the HP, will be interesting in the ute.

So save a lot of people the same grief and let us know what bearings you used..???

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

As much as I would like to i can't for insurance reasons mate, don't want to void a claim for Tony. PM me on Instagram for any more information

i had the same problem mate in my 351 cleveland not cam bearings but 1 camshaft and 2 sets of lifters hydraulic flat tappet engine was in car had to pull it out 2 times after the second time i was that pissed off diss heartend we could not believe it why we were having so much trouble it was the lifters causing the problem my mechanic said he had never seen anything like this before in all his years with building engines with flat tappet cams he had never had no issues . All the components were brand names made i the USA ? been around for decades the problem today is its a lucky draw you dont really know where its really made nothing is made of quality anymore. So now i am on my second cam and 3rd set of lfters and all is good at the moment lfters still tap a bit when i first start it up cold or hot then it goes away after a few secondsi its like they bleed down a bit and they are ment to be the best anti pump up hydraulic lifters i could get so i just have to live with it and its stil going so thats the main thing but its pretty frustrating when your paying for whats ment to be top quality brand stuff and it fails because it was probally made in china

@grimreaper6112

Жыл бұрын

Couple of guys years ago i new used to love the 351 clevo thrash hell out of them and held together for years no problems must be garbage from China.

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I have heard so many stories in the past 3 days it has confirmed to me that it is 100% a manufacturing change to China with no regulation checks on quality. If they want to save their businesses best they start producing in America again quick smart.

@jasongriffin5994

Жыл бұрын

If I had of known then what I know now I would go roller cam and lifters if I did another one less hassle don't have to change springs to run cam in etc

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

@@jasongriffin5994 yeah, I really have been going with Tony's advice but he reckons a roller CAM at this level HP is overkill and he thinks the flat tappet solid cam option is actually more reliable

@jasongriffin5994

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I know mate that's fair enough tony is a top bloke it seems just after my experience I looked at a roller set-up before we built it and it was 3 times the price of flat tappet but after all the frustration and expense and doing it multiple times it would have been cheaper to go roller

I've seen on other channels that there's a world wide problem with lifters. There just shit quality metal, a cheap out by the suppliers/ manufacturer's. Made in C.... crap. Don't make them like they used too, lucky they had some NOS ones.

@paullang1961

Жыл бұрын

china mate not c....

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I had no idea it was basically a epidemic! We need to seriously get with the program and start producing things here otherwise it's all over

People have been having trouble with bearings dont buy any kings bearings from precision . Kings had seconds and precision bought a bin full and repackaged them. No coating on the bearings and sizes all over the place . Im talking mains and rods . Even the dizzy gear on the cams are not round . Lifters failing fast wiping out lobes . People dumping junk on our shores and saying you built the engine wrong . Lots of people have been killing holden v8 from junk parts that we payed good money for the quality but the quality has gone . Billet Roller cam is the only way to go now with lifters . So many problems are going on with flat tappet cams and lifters .

@BarnesysBuilds

Жыл бұрын

Hopefully with the new Dura Bond bearings, COMP cam and new old stock lifters and it should be solid now. I mean they worked in the past so should be right to work now as long as the parts are the same quality which hopefully now they are. Cheers

@borismcfinnigan3430

11 ай бұрын

This worries me. I just bought King main and B/E bearings for mine.

@noahmira4788

5 ай бұрын

@@borismcfinnigan3430how's the motor going now?

@borismcfinnigan3430

5 ай бұрын

@@noahmira4788 Mate we are in 2024, i only commented 6 months ago, my block is still probably 3 months away from the machinist finishing it LOL..Its been there since June 2023.

The original Holden block and any subsequent build would only be suited for marine application not as the power plant or engine more just the anchor ... hmmmm standard block woe's 🚫 hehe the video of you telling your missus that news 3 days in would have been worth a few views i bet 🤣😅🤣🙃

@JosephCowen-ru7up

11 ай бұрын

Learn to speak English no one understood a word of what you said , we had 3 of us here trying to work it out and no one could , thanks for the laugh !

Did anyone even measure anything in this engine?