I have to say that these 'entry level' Girard-Perregaux pieces are very tasteful and, I really enjoyed the entry level discussion on one maker throughout the entire length of the video. As always thank you for your time and effort Bill :)

@watchartsci

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Kenneth! Thanks man! Kindest regards, Bill

as always consistently good content....thank you Bill

@watchartsci

5 жыл бұрын

Hey Ambar, thanks man! Kindest regards, Bill

Dear Bill: G-P does indeed offer some interesting opportunities. I have been attracted to various iterations of the Laureato chronograph which has had some very interesting design cues, particular with regard to the elaborate and stunning textured finish of the dials. I am in Berlin with my wife and our foray of yesterday to the Kurfürstendamm retail district highlighted a trend in watch retailing whose significance for watch buyers had not struck me before: namely, the ascendancy of the one brand boutique. The ability to go into a watch dealer carrying several brands of watches where you can cross-shop is clearly endangered. Yesterday, Wempe the old line European retailer, was the only place where it was easy to cross-shop several watch brands covering a broad horological range in one emporium. The fabulous Ka De We department store housed several mostly one line (Omega, Bulgari, Rolex) boutiques and which I assumed were leased to concessionaires. This is not a big issue to someone living in proximity to megaretailers like Betteridge or Tourneau but what about those of us who either live in the fly over states or the near fly over states? I live in Phoenix in a metropolitan area of 4.5 million people. Locally, I only have access to a handful of ADs with extensive multi brand inventories and truly knowledgeable sales staffs: Oliver Smith and Hyde Park. There is another multi brand AD but they are waning. With George Reid at Oliver Smith Andy Paul Riggs at Hyde Park, both serious watch professionals, you get a caliber of horological advice and guidance across many brands which represents the very best of the AD experience. The single line boutique experience is very different. The staff at a single line boutique can sell you any watch that you want so long as it comes from their single line: a variant of Henry Ford’s adage coined in the Model T and Model A days, “You can have any color Ford you want as long as it is black.” The positive aspect of single line boutiques is a very broad display of all of the offerings of the brand. The disappointing thing about single line boutiques for me is that they seem to be more about the retail and less about the watches. I went into the Cartier boutique in a huge Scottsdale, Arizona, shopping mall to see the new square Santos in rose gold. The sales woman was very happy to let me try this $20,000 watch on my wrist. When I asked her what the frequency of the movement was, it became apparent that she had no horological knowledge and only the most cursory training. This experience has been duplicated in other single line boutiques. I thought it was an American thing but I can now attest that it is both an American thing and a German thing. Fancy premises and the ability to provide a customer with five types of mineral water or even a flute of champagne is no substitute for horological expertise. Single line boutiques are great for watch manufacturers and participants in the distribution chain but they do not work as well for consumers. Best regards, Howard

@watchartsci

5 жыл бұрын

Howard, what you saw in Berlin and elsewhere is becoming the norm. Just last week, Audemars Piguet announced they're opening more AP boutiques, and by 2022, the only place you'll be able to get a new-new AP is from one of their boutiques. However, all of the brands will need outlets for their un-sold and unpopular models as well as the older models of their current ones. I suppose they could have "discount" cases in their boutiques for their older models, but that has its own set of problems. They might be like automobile dealerships where they have an "end-of-the-model-year" sale but then there's pressure to create a lot of new models every year. While their bean-counters are figuring things from the seller's perspective, I wonder how they're factoring in the buyer's. The single largest group of luxury watch-buyers is the Rolex one. Some are so tethered to the brand that it's the only one they buy, but they're only able to do so by depending on selling their current model for a different or newer one. (I don't know; I don't own a Rolex.) Other brands may have the same dilemma, and from my experience with the Vacheron Constantin boutique in NYC, they won't take trade-ins of their own brands. When I went to get a new Overseas, the VC clerk told me that they didn't take trade-ins; so I went elsewhere and never did get the new Overseas. Later, though, when I bought my wife a new Bovet, the dealer in Florida (on-line) was happy to take my Overseas as a trade-in. As for the 'expertise' of the people selling watches, whether it's their own brand or several different ones, has no interest in telling me the truth about any shortcomings in their product. So, I spend a lot of time finding out about a brand from as many different sources as possible. In short, we're on our own and the more we know and can learn, the better the deals we'll get. Cheers, Bill

Another great video Bill. I was unfamiliar with this brand until now. They do have some really nice looking watches.

@watchartsci

5 жыл бұрын

Hi BB! They have some great deals ... especially in the pre-owned market. Cheers, Bill

I bought my beautiful gold GP from a "junk shop jeweller" in Toronto in '79. Recently valued at £800.oo. The best $30.oo I ever spent! JA

@watchartsci

Жыл бұрын

Jcangelluk, back in '79, gold was about $30/oz ... Not a bad investment at all. Take care, Bill

I've seen gold versions of the 1966 selling for as little as $6,000 on eBay. Used, of course. That seems like a steal for a solid gold watch with a really nice in-house movement in it.

@watchartsci

3 жыл бұрын

I agree DrK. If a collector needs money quickly, he/she may have to take a beating on the gold in certain watches. If it's unpopular; so much the more so. One reason I keep most of my watches and won't buy any that I won't wear! Take care and stay safe, Bill 😷

A Rolex certified watchmaker told me it's the second finest movement made.

@watchartsci

2 жыл бұрын

Kenneth, I like Girard-Perregaux, and at least some watchmakers hold it in high esteem. Take care, Bill

Hello sir! I happen to like the Vintage 1945 model a lot among the entry level watches you mention. After a quick search, I found out the price is really good for such a pretty watch. It may become my first Girard-Perregaux watch in the future. Best, Thanh

@watchartsci

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Thanh Lai, that's my favorite Girard-Perregaux as well. Another one you may like that they don't make anymore is the Richeville. It's a tonneau shape and you can find manual wind versions as well. Cheers, Bill

@ThanhLai5

5 жыл бұрын

WatchArtSci Hello sir! The Richeville model you mentioned look very interesting. I'll pay more attention to them to see if I can find a good deal for one.

Thanks for the video Bill. GP was my first mechanical watch. I purchase it based on it history, and bang for buck. A Calatrava type 33mm, 18K from 1962.

@watchartsci

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Donald, my pleasure. Two of my favorite watches have had GP movements, but as yet I have not had the fortune of owning one myself. That will come in time I hope! Cheers, Bill

Hi Bill, I do like like your channel because is different than others. Can you tell me please how good are GP movements are? I mean accuracy and service intervals.

@watchartsci

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Slawek! I've had watches with GP movements-a Vacheron Constantin Overseas and a Harry Winston Premiere Bi-retrograde. Both have been pretty good for accuracy, and the Harry Winston, which was pretty much a pure Girard-Perregaux movment, has proven excellent as far as accuracy is concerned. However, check with some others who have actually owned Girard-Perregauxs of the models you're interested in. As far as I know though, they're good solid watch movements. Kindest regards, Bill

Hey Bill Nice to see you again .. I love this brand, it doesn't have the marketing power of other high end brands but its seems very high quality watch .. In other hand I would like to see you interviewing jean claude biver the ex LVHM CEO and other horlogerie masters someday. I am sure it will be great horology interviews. Cheers

@watchartsci

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Amin! I'm planning on interviewing as many watchmakers as I can next month at the WatchTime show in New York! I'm glad to hear you'd like to hear from them. Kindest regards, Bill

Hi Bill, Great topic, i think that GP makes really good solid watches, movements, materials and design, I own a vintage GP Gyromatic.I think their current MSRP is overpriced in comparison to how they are marketed and their pre-owned market is very discounted so good deals could be found (Bad value retention). I think their resale price would be even lower afterwards. I think they will have to reinvent themselves to find their footing again. They are missing exposure to the masses, as a lot of people don't even know that GP exists, and a lot more don't know how good GP movements are. Best, Abdul

@watchartsci

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Abdul, you know what I think about price retention...collector's best friend! GP has won the Aiguille d'Or (plus 4 more GPHG prizes) , and I'm not sure what else they can do and stay within the parameters of the kinds of watches they make. It's a difficult brand to get a handle on. Cheers, Bill

You said Vacheron instead of F.P Journe at wrist check Bill :). Great video btw. Loved GP 1945

@watchartsci

5 жыл бұрын

Barış Palabıyık, I did! That's what I get for wearing 2 watches! I'm surprised that I didn't get the model wrong too! Cheers, Bill

Thanks Bill. One GP I like is the ww.tc world time, esp the financial world time version for personal and professional reasons. Possibly in the future. Their vintage alarm watches are somewhat unique and interesting as well. Date and Moonphase is nice.

@watchartsci

5 жыл бұрын

Wow David, the WW TC is a great buy! I found one for $4,000 new! (www.chrono24.com/girardperregaux/world-time-chronograph-mens-watch-43mm-49805-21-651-fk6a-wwtc--id8917268.htm ) That's a lot of watch for the money! Cheers, Bill

Where can I go to get a gold - white, yellow or pick - Perregaux men's wrist watch with a leather band? At an inexpensive price in great condition?

@watchartsci

3 жыл бұрын

How's this Lawrence? delraywatch.com/girard-perregaux-vintage-1945-moonphase-on-special/ Tell Federico that I said to give you a great price. Take care and be safe, Bill 😷

Bill, I'm a fan of GP. I have my eyes on a Laureato. They market their 38mm Laureato as a woman's watch. I prefer to keep my case size between 36-40mm. I'm on the fence about owning one larger than 40mm. Your thoughts?

@watchartsci

5 жыл бұрын

Hi RP ... the Laureato 38mm steel (and a bunch of others...) are all men's versions. (See www.girard-perregaux.com/en/laureato/laureato-38-mm-81005-11-131-bb6a ) I've got a 6-1/2 inch wrist and I favor between 38-42 with 39 & 40 my most preferred. However, I do have some 42mm, and my Patek Philippe Calatrava is only about 32mm; so I have a range. A new Laureato 38mm is about $9,500k (list) and I found a new Laureato in 38mm for $7,500 (www.chrono24.com/girardperregaux/laureato--id8449140.htm ). It's a great under-the-radar brand. My only reservation about the Laureato is that some claim that the shape is a tad too much like the Royal Oak. Kindest regards, Bill

From the information I gathered from GP, these entry level watches' movement is machine finished, not hand finished. Only their higher end pieces are hand finished.

@watchartsci

5 жыл бұрын

Hi James! Great to hear from you. That sounds about right with GP watches, but I still think they are a bit underrated. Cheers, Bill

I like GP and think that it is an under rated little known brand. They have made some nice vintage pieces as well.

@watchartsci

5 жыл бұрын

Hi John, I would agree with you 100% Cheers, Bill

Hi Bill, I am checking out the GP chrono 7000 from the 90s, runs on a valjoux 7750 I believe, thoughts on that one? I like GP because it is a good entry point to high horology, this second hand market is very soft, they don’t have a good marketing team I believe, thanks and cheers!

@watchartsci

4 жыл бұрын

If possible De Tiempo, see if you can find an in-house GP chrono...if they have one. On a GP with a 7750, it ought to be a very soft market. Take care, Bill

@cuestion-de-tiempo

4 жыл бұрын

WatchArtSci Bill this is what I found out about that movement: Not much left over from the ETA 2892: A genuine winding mechanism with bigger barrel gives more power reserve, and a modified base plate leaves space for a heavier rotor, to increase winding efficiency. They also bumped it to 41 jewels, which to me is like they got a base movement to have it heavily modified, but I wonder why? If you are going to make so many changes, might as well developed it all in house - cost saving ? Time saving? Thanks, atte: Danny

Fantastico el vídeo!!!! Likeeeee 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍🙋‍♂️🇪🇸

@watchartsci

5 жыл бұрын

Hey Jaime! Thanks man! Kindest regards, Bill

The vintage 94 is beautiful watch

@watchartsci

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, that GP is a beaut. Thanks Marshall Kindest regards, Bill!

gp 2280-781 movement is really an ETA 2892-A2 with a chronograph module then Girard Perregaux Richeville Ref. 2750 has ETA so Vintage 1945 might be more GP movement, high horology

@watchartsci

Ай бұрын

Hey Erwin, thanks for the info man! Take care, Bill

@enginu.3996

Ай бұрын

@@watchartsci I'm learning from you :) I wasn't sure so I wrote it to learn from you. You are the expert.

Car-die-yee! 😂

@watchartsci

2 жыл бұрын

Jorne...what?

Dear Bill, Watching this 3 years later and now prices for GPs have increased tremendously. Their laureatos are almost always sold out and very little discount.

@watchartsci

2 жыл бұрын

Yes Mark, they certainly have taken off compared to just a few years ago. Take care, Bill

Girard Perregaux is an important brand. Excellent quality. I would think of it as in the level of jaeger lecoultre. Anyhow, I don’t know why their watches don’t hold up value as well as others below them.

@watchartsci

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Lee ... it's been more recently that they've again manufactured their own movements, and watch buyers are just learning about them. As a result, they're some great buys! I think that both Girard-Perregaux and Glashütte Original need some kind of iconic look in at least one of their models. GP comes close with their Vintage 1945. Cheers, Bill

@leestrada1

5 жыл бұрын

I thought they've always done their movements or done most of their movements. I remember the HF models in the 60's which were in-house, of course their Tourbillon, also. So they begin buying ETA's afterwards?

@watchartsci

5 жыл бұрын

All of those Ferrari models in the video are ETA-based movements. Others in the past have been as well. However, that's the past, and while they have a rich and long history, like all watch companies, they've had to struggled during one period or another. All of their currently produced watches are GP manufactured movements. Kindest regards, Bill

@leestrada1

5 жыл бұрын

WatchArtSci Thank’s, Bill.

I can't decide if I like this brand or not.

@watchartsci

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Bill, it's a brand that's flown under the radar. They've won Grand Prix d’Horlogerie de Genève awards, including the Aiguille d'Or (grand prize) in 2013 for their Constant Escapement L.M. - a well-deserved prize. I have a Girard-Perregaux movement ticking in my Harry Winston Premiere Bi-retrograde, and it's doing quite well. Cheers, Bill

@ambarbenazeer8269

5 жыл бұрын

Hello there, Bill... I feel the same way...but the more I uderstand what they have accomplished the closer to liking them I get.....however I find their designs to be not very appealling to me...yes classic styles but not much in terms of getting excitied about yet quality of work is there for the appreciation.

@billcosgrave6232

5 жыл бұрын

Ambar Benazeer I'll need to pay more attention to them.

@ambarbenazeer8269

5 жыл бұрын

Bill Cosgrave LOL!.....happy hunting, just kidding...I'm sure you won't have to look too far.

Girard prints in the middle of the dial "Manufacture Girard Perregaux" in many of the Ferrari watches. BUT Girard 8030 3-hand watch has just ETA 2892 slapped inside. 😮 I almost bought one. Also some Ferrari chronographs have this "Manufacture" in the middle of dial, are they fake Manufacture? 🤔

@watchartsci

Жыл бұрын

Indeed, Matti, you have to be careful. I'm surprised by Girard-Perregaux since they make so many movements of their own. Could simply be cheaper to buy an ETA than make their's. Lots of "big name brads" do the same. Take care, Bill

First!

@watchartsci

5 жыл бұрын

Yes you are, Larry...

the intro is superfluous and annoying. otherwise thumbs up! :-)

@watchartsci

5 жыл бұрын

It's necessary...seeing my face right off the bat without an introduction has proven to be a shock to many leading to heart attacks, strokes and one pregnancy...Otherwise, thanks RG! Cheers, Bill

GP are not an "entry level" brand, period.

@watchartsci

5 жыл бұрын

Mohamed, "Entry Level High Horology" ... not period. Check out watch-rankings.com . They were ranked an entire tier lower than I ranked them. Cheers, Bill

@LY3355

5 жыл бұрын

WatchArtSci why would you believe those “rankings”? It is absurd. Because of the the attributes they choose in ranking them. It discredits your knowledge within the horology community. Best, Larry.

@mohkamaltaha

5 жыл бұрын

@@watchartsci what is the credibility of this so called "watch ranking" ? Is it something officially recognized by any high horology institute or GPHG ? If not please explain to me the logic behind the"ranking" in an educated way so we can all benefit here.

@watchartsci

5 жыл бұрын

Larry, the rankings have been around a long time. In fact, The whole concept of Haute Horlogerie was launched by watch companies to justify high priced watches of supposedly higher quality. What Watch-Rankings.com did was to set up tiers, but it was based largely on price rather than quality, and some very high quality watches of lower prices (e.g., Habring2, Girard-Perregaux) so I was hoping to re-fashion the rankings so that quality rather than price was the guiding element and invited watch collectors to join in refining the rankings. Unfortunately very few did, but I do think that collectors should refine the rankings to reflect our desire to have the best quality watches for what we pay for them. Cheers, Bill

@watchartsci

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Mohamed! If you're looking for an official ranking authority, you'll probably want The Fondation de la Haute Horlogerie. They have a 'White Paper' they created to define 'Fine watchmaking' ( www.hautehorlogerie.org/en/the-foundation/cultural-council/white-paper-on-fine-watchmaking/ ) If you read the full version of that white paper, you'll get an idea of one source of rankings and the justifications. What I think collectors need is a ranking system that is for collectors; the Fondation is more clearly for watch manufacturers. Take a look at the White Paper and let me know your thought. Thanks, Bill