£40,000 Patek Philippe vs £10,000 Girard Perregaux | Watchfinder & Co.
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You don’t have to ask around too much to discover that Patek Philippe’s 5170 is considered one of, if not the best chronographs ever made. It’s slick, it’s slim, it’s executed to perfection-but it also costs some £40,000. Just how close can you get for a quarter of the price?
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These stories are so soothing, sometimes I listen to them when I am in bed and ready for sleep.
@hasanbasrisen973
4 жыл бұрын
Almost every day
So I get home to finally having bought a Cartier Tank, and this guy uploads a video to make me feel poor again.
@likeris2
4 жыл бұрын
:D
@domokun938
4 жыл бұрын
Yep. Feeling poor in a speedy.
@jcktimeless9277
4 жыл бұрын
Timothy Ng Us Speedy owners are actually quite rich because there’s no other watch like a Speedy 😉
@barfymann362
4 жыл бұрын
@navidski Thank you so much, dear friend.
@FFL3001
4 жыл бұрын
Cartier Tanks are great watches and perfectly beautiful regardless of what Patek makes.
The back of the Patek is incredible but I still prefer the Girard Perregaux overall. GP make some really beautiful watches.
Girard Perregaux used to make modules and (just like Jaeger LeCoultre), entire movements for Patek Philippe. And as you have mentioned, Patek Philippe (not that long ago), used ebauches and complete movements made by Lemania, not dissimilar from Onega Speedmaster cal.1863.. They took Lemania movement apart, scalloped few bits, polished the gears to death, so that no one else, can ever service the movement ... and stamped it with PP logo.. So as in everything? You need to compare apples with apples and automatic movement with automatic movement. No doubt, Girard Perregaux do make fine manual wind movements in bi-compass configuration as well. It is just that in your case, Watchfinder has none of them in stock. It could be, because owners of GP watches .... don't want to part with them. One would hope, that for Girard Perregaux (makers of 3 bridges), being part of French luxury group Kering, will give them funding, needed to expand their range and to improve quality. Otherwise? Great review. Keep up the good work.
Hold my German beer. - A. Lange.
@bighands69
4 жыл бұрын
Nice but not as nice.
@paintballplayer700
4 жыл бұрын
The Datograph is basically cheating in any watch movement contest.
@misteratoz
3 жыл бұрын
And why not throw the double and triple split just as an extra middle finger the Patek at less then the cost of their rattrapante?
@finnandrei5745
3 жыл бұрын
Hold my sushi. - Grand Seiko
Guys, this video is so well filmed. The shots, the light, the macro shots. You totally nailed it! And the narration just makes it perfect 👌🏻 Keep the class
The dirt on the Patek's chrono seconds hand is really distracting :( You can see it without being zoomed in too. :(
@speelmeneer6404
4 жыл бұрын
The GP has dirt on a hand as well. 5:12 look at the hour hand.
@thegamingbegginers5777
4 жыл бұрын
they sell second hand or used watches maybe it has been repaired
@mihai-valentinracolta9803
4 жыл бұрын
1:42? that is dirt?
@mihai-valentinracolta9803
4 жыл бұрын
That dirt make me think if i would be taking my watches to service...
@gmshadowtraders
4 жыл бұрын
Looked like somebody puked or shitted all over it. Swiss made is really starting to become a joke
Yessss a new video always makes my day! Thanks for the videos, keep me coming!
Love those comparison videos. Helps to acknowledge and appreciate the details and get a better understanding of quality.
Thank you for accompanying us for another great year in 2019! Happy holidays to the whole team!
I still can’t believe how consistently amazing these videos are. Amazing in every regard!
The PP would not have originally left the factory with those imperfections.
@WorldsWorstFishing
4 жыл бұрын
Indeed..used pieces serviced by a third party watchmaker such as WF are going to show evidence of such servicing..send it back to PP for service and it will still be virtually flawless, their servicing procedure is top notch as expected.
@cy4624
4 жыл бұрын
Not necessarily. New Pateks under macro has shown blemished hands . Many have left the factory that way and maybe attributable to individual hand finish slipping inspection.
@modmod392
4 жыл бұрын
Nothing is perfect...but in 30 years of experience I have never seen such obvious QC issues as shown here from the factory.
@rey_s90
4 жыл бұрын
World's Worst Fishing not true, I had a new calatrava which had imperfections, patek services it and in doing so did more damage, I was shocked.
@juleswild9498
3 жыл бұрын
@@rey_s90 PP are known to cut corners more and more. I'd kick them out of the trinity and put an independent brand into it instead.
People complain as though they actually spent their money. I'm just blown away by the beauty of the craftsmanship.
@quadZ_z
3 жыл бұрын
It's a funny thing that the high-end watchmaking community sets up expectations of absolute *perfection*. Generally speaking, I'm a firm believer in the concept of "perfectly imperfect". Part of the beauty in life is that true perfection is unattainable. Tattoos, for example: even with prefect execution by the artist, tattoos are bound to fade over time, to distort as your skin ages. This will surely bother many people, and those people won't get tattoos; I find peace accepting that "prefect" neither achievable, nor necessary to achieve beauty or satisfaction. I suppose luxury watchmakers aren't unique in aiming for utter perfection- Rolls Royce comes to mind. Pour enough time and money into something, and you'll get damn near close enough. (procrastination-fueled rant over, back to studying for me!)
I really prefer the GP's dial and its Arabic numerals over the PP... but that stained hour hand at 05:11??
@gstung
4 жыл бұрын
looks like a reflection to me
@rogerbk08
4 жыл бұрын
@@gstung nopes... you can see it when the seconds hand glides over it that it isn't a reflection, sadly... But as some have pointed out, it's a used watch, so...
@antoinedelagedeluget3386
4 жыл бұрын
stain for sure on the GP and rust or stain on the patek at 1:42...
@hambone988ubet
4 жыл бұрын
Seems like two spots on the PP?
@rembrandx
4 жыл бұрын
There's a small scratch on the GP's crystal as well, plus various other bits of dirt in other places.
A second PP in as many Watchfinder videos that has a rough looking underside to the seconds hand when reflected in the hour hand (1:43)...this one also has a blemish on the top of the seconds hand too. Not acceptable on a watch at £10k, let alone £40k.
@thegamingbegginers5777
4 жыл бұрын
they sell second hand or used watches maybe it has been repaired
@Zoltan1251
4 жыл бұрын
my eyeballs almost fell out.... FFS, this is outrageous!!!... im as far from watch snob as i can be, but if i was going to pay 40k and saw this i would be furious.... you are literally paying premium for these details and they missed it????,
@animarku570
4 жыл бұрын
02:10
@jamess8175
4 жыл бұрын
Goodness! This is not acceptable by any means at any price! Was that an original PP second hand or an aftermarket one? You call that a Patek Philippe? Or is it a replica?
@shaneh2289
4 жыл бұрын
James Peters that blemish on top of the second hand is actually pretty visible
It’s no secret that your presentations are always stellar. In this video the PP movement has me drooling again. A pricey work of art impossible to own.
For a quarter less, the GP even gives you a date😂
i'd love it if you upgraded to 4k!
For once a disappointing review: this comparison makes no sense. The correct GP to compare the Patek with should have obviously been the caliber GP 3800-0001 fully integrated manually wound chrono with column-wheel and 40 mm case. The back is as beautiful as the Patek's and it also features the jumping minutes at the front... That was the matchup I was waiting & hoping for!
@thomasdawe1837
4 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Automatic is clearly a practical choice. Manual for beauty.
@SimulatorWhiz
4 жыл бұрын
Nobody cares
@thesnackbandit
4 жыл бұрын
Rezwan So what exactly are you doing here?
@kaspermj
3 жыл бұрын
thesnackbandit It’s actually a fair comment. Nobody cares about what GP can create. Sad but true.
@NoShame86
3 жыл бұрын
Likewise, a Patek Philippe 5070 will make a fairer comparison to this Girard Perregaux 1966 Chronograph.
Love watching your channel, details are superb
Great video as usual. While I agree with the direct comparison of two chronographs, I think this particular choronograph under represents Girard's true ability to properly decorate it movements. I know that was not the purpose of the video but there is a striking difference between this chrono and Girard's higher end offerings.
@marcn8750
Жыл бұрын
Agree
Always fascinating. I am interested in Junghans watches. Have you ever reviewed one of their models?
Becomes an absolute no contest once you look at the movements, PP is breathtaking!! (Might actually print an image of that movement for my wall... 🤷🏾♂️😍)
@cy4624
4 жыл бұрын
Take a look at ALS for movement finisishing. Another level
If a banana with a tape can be 250 k why not Patek 😂 Anyway the back of the Patek is breathtaking
@tonp2917
4 жыл бұрын
The banana with duckttape was only $120000. 😉
@olivercillian
4 жыл бұрын
It's an easy way to launder money. 🤑
@davids9549
4 жыл бұрын
@@tonp2917 Worth every penny to laugh at just how retarded arty people can be
@bighands69
4 жыл бұрын
And the crazy thing about the Banana art duct tape is that the Banana has to be replaced every few days or it becomes a decomposing Banana.
Ugh... that PP seconds hand.... and that GP hours hand. for £40,000 and £10,000, respectively?! What the holy hell?!?!
@denniszhu7957
4 жыл бұрын
Can someone explain to me what's wrong with them? look the same to me
@uga.d4173
4 жыл бұрын
@@denniszhu7957 Watch again and look at the finishing on them.
@Dunkaroos248
4 жыл бұрын
Dennis Zhu there’s some shit like 3/4 of the way down the chrono seconds hand on the PP
@rtbinc2273
4 жыл бұрын
@@Dunkaroos248 Yep. they are both flawed. They both have stains.
@ShiroKage009
4 жыл бұрын
Those watches aren't new. Maybe they've been tarnished during maintenance?
Thiissss is a 40000pound patek philip and today i m going to show you all the quirks and features and then get it on the arm and give it a watchscore - love both channels
For my taste, I prefer GP’s dial layout design.
I like the GP better - love the blue hands. There are stains or marks on the hands of both watches. On the second hand of the PP - bubbling of some kind. There is a stain, like something dripped on it, on the hour hand of the GP.
The Patek is just a work of art not only the front but the back! It is masterfull on the reverse and the work that goes into the movement more than justifies the price!!
GP has always been a personal favorite of mine, but I prefer their skeletonized movements.
Ive always love GP watches. They have so many unique styles and the movement is so smooth.
Great review again I would like to see a buvet grand complication please thanks tony
I can sell all of my volumes of poetry; him talking about watches is all I need!
Would you please make a comparison between Glashütte Original SeaQ Panorama Date and JLC Polaris Date or Memovox? Thank you.
Can you do a video about the omega seamaster 200m prebond a watch that is looked overed.
Great review
why does the Chronograph Seconds Hand look so shoddy on the Patek?
I think that I prefer the uncluttered look of the second "cheaper"watch.
@SimulatorWhiz
4 жыл бұрын
GP is a fantastic brand, just doesn't get recognition
@my2l
4 жыл бұрын
The gp is a shitter
@absk601
4 жыл бұрын
See that’s what differentiates Germans from the rest with the three quarter plate ❤️
Kindly have the tissot white face chronograph chemin des tourelles reviewed. Would it be a good buy? Thank you and God bless! ⌚
Hi there all the way from Singapore. I really love your Videos! Could you do a video about the Laureto Flying Tourbillion. I am looking forward :)
Both superb watches but I prefer the GP. The servicing costs when required can be eye watering as I have just found out !
Yet another excellent and soothing video Watchfinder. I must say the Patek is by far the winner. And that dial is far from plain.
i shall pick a JLC master control chronograph in stainless steel over any of these two! it's around 9000 dollars and has been through 1000 hours master control in house chronometry testing.
@domokun938
4 жыл бұрын
subhasish dey JLC king of movements.
@AnimeVideoEditor
4 жыл бұрын
@@domokun938 the watchmaker of watchmakers!
Many high end brand nowadays using blue screws but no Patek. If finish and prices, bovet h-moser, breguet and GP offer good deal
It's a good day when watchfinder releases a new video.
I found the space taken up by the tachymetre on the GP to be slightly excessive, throwing the appearance of the watch off quite considerably.
Really like the movement of the Patek. Even more than a Lange, the finishing is just so clean.
@piotrs.2389
2 жыл бұрын
Patek luckily doesn't have as many colors as Lange from silver plate to yellowed bridges and ugly blue screws. Patek and Vacheron are both masters of finishing movements.
can you compare the Breitling Duograph to the Patek Split second chronograph
I don't understand how the dials on the PP are 'asymmetrical'. They are the same size and positioned symmetrically, i.e. the same laterally and horizontally relative to the center of the dial.
Uysisse Jardin, we have one from the 70s what can you tell us about the brand?
(Not enough stressed the difference between automatic/manual winding, it seems)
Simply gorgeous time pieces
Please review the Vacheron Constantin Phidias Chronograph, its a great watch, especially in gold
Not planning to buy either of these two beautiful timepieces, but, in relative terms, it’s like having a Sinn and an IWC pilot watches on the table. The latter gets deserved higher brand recognition and commands a higher price, the former is a better deal for those who know.
What about a look at various Flieger watches, like from Fortis, Stowa, Laco and IWC?
I haven't seen you review or compare a Jacobs & Co. Watch.
>For the designers As a designer, Patek's dial typography is just not up to the level and is the main reason i dislike the brand. Terrible whitespace management, weird font selection, low readability. That serif on the outside is awfully kerned, uneven. The enormous gap in "15" seems a result of automatic settings and lack of manual adjustments. Chronometer markings would be much more readable if the font was less vertically proportioned, now it's one giant mess of numbers. The "2" in the subdials has a closed loop on top because the ink merged at that size (to the naked eye that would look even worse). This is the area where Lange always wins and Patek is bad unfittingly for its otherwise strong attention to detail. GP is far more pleasing to look at in these regards.
@AbstractMan23
4 жыл бұрын
Stasys Čhepulis yep I was also going to comment on the horrendous 15 kerning pair... the typography just looks so wrong and careless. Embarrassing at this high level. The two fonts they used are just jarring and awkward. Check out at 2:06 how bad the MA kerning pair is, as well as how distorted the letters are due to such thickly applied ink. The counterform on the A has almost completely filled in!
@AbstractMan23
4 жыл бұрын
Stasys Čhepulis check out the huge unkerned space between L Y on most Rolex dials. Your eyes will hurt! 😝
I would love to see a video dedicated to POINTtec brands, Junkers, Zeppelin and Iron Annie if I am not mistaken.
Would love to see a video on the omega Railmaster 😁
Please make a video of the Tudor Heritage Advisor
Is that a see-through sapphire back on the PP or the case back is off?
@TimWrite
4 жыл бұрын
TheGlasspix see-through sapphire back
Doesn't the PP have that Swiss Seal of Excellence?? 6:49- I'm not sure but why are the leather straps the other way around?
“If not the best chronograph...”: A. Lange & Sohne Datograph? Please, please, please review a Bovet!!!!
@raduflorin6154
4 жыл бұрын
The best chronograph movement is the Longines 13ZN!
Ironically enough, I just bought a GP Sea-Hawk from the late 30s or early 40s, it’s extremely similar to a Patak Philippe Calatrava 96!! Literally down to the case shaped, dimensions, and Breguet numerals on the dial and sub dial at the six! The GP Seahawk aren’t the most rare, but this version definitely is one of them as it’s almost classier than the more militaristic designed ones.
The blemish on chronograph seconds hand on the PP is super disappointing
@thegamingbegginers5777
4 жыл бұрын
they sell second hand or used watches maybe it has been repaired
@thegamingbegginers5777
4 жыл бұрын
they sell second hand or used watches maybe it has been repaired
@rogerbk08
4 жыл бұрын
I like GP a lot, and in this specific case, I like it more than the PP --but I honestly couldn't see the issues with the PP's hand mentioned in some of the comments, although I saw one in the GP's hour hand at 5:11 (and blemishes at the H and the U at 6:06)
@Zoltan1251
4 жыл бұрын
it really puts PP down really really low in my eyes now.... its ironic they talk about attention to detail and that BLEMISH is screaming at you every time they show seconds hand
Omega and Bulova Moonwatches. I think you may have done this?
"You'd have to be blind not to see the difference in movements" @ 7:42
I would get (my grale) - the Lange 1815 up/down for (a bit more than) half the price of the PP. Or for almost the same price as the GP, VC fiftysix, regardless of the hate on the movement. Or Kudoke 2. Love the high quality and content of this channel. The second best channel out there (2nd to Adrian @Bark and Jack).
1:42 why does the underside of the seconds hand look so horrible?!
I prefer the Montblanc Pulsograph (that Minerva calibre is gorgeous) to this version of the 5170 (J?). The 5170G, however, is perfect. Would love to see you compare a 5170J with the Vacheron Constantin Cornes de Vache 1955
Sheer class ! Both in design and execution !
Very interesting pieces at different price points for comparison, especially because try to achieve the same complications. If I am spending 5 figures for a mechanical...I want to see the internals no matter what.
Good quality channel for sure.
Initially, the PP doesn't seem to be a good value....but under magnification, it is entirely difficult to find a flaw. very impressive
There’s a tiny stain dot on the at H?
The date window could have been avoided and the dial looks a lot busier in the Gerard perregua
My holy grail Patek, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it
Could you please review a Patek Phillpe 5271p? To me, it remains the most beautiful piece of art ever made.
"Each and every one of the 269 components is elaborately hand finished..." At 3:45 you can see the burs thrown up by the tooth cutters, as they travelled through from the underside to the top, when it was being made; especially on the right hand wheel. I'm not wanting to sound like I'm big name bashing (Patek make some beautiful watches), but it looks like resting on their laurels to not stone off the burs, or the dag on the end of the small seconds hand 2:41. I do enjoy your videos very much :)
My Alpha 'speedmaster' column wheel chrono movement was a big, pleasant surprise when viewed right out of the box. Now I'm even more impressed with it. $170. Delivered. Brand caveat, my Alpha 'explorer' was a waste of money- Erratic accuracy, stuttering second hand, hacks but won't restart without shaking and tapping. Alpha (Hong Kong) says it's running fine as far as they are concerned.
Something is wrong with the second hand on the patek. Even at low mag about 2/3s up the hand is some sort of dirt.
OR or - the £10 iconic Casio f-91w with built in stopwatch alarm calendar and 10+ year power reserve with light up display
2:06 "the quality dosn't diminish even at the extremes". I think it does - SWISS MADE looks poorly printed! The ink is so thickly applied, the letterforms have distorted. This doesn't look sharp at all. And the typesetting is badly done, too. Big uneven space between the M and A in relation to the other letters.
@bighands69
4 жыл бұрын
It is made by hand. If you want a cheap mass produced product that all looks the same then go for it. When looking with the naked eye that watch will look perfect not a zoomed in look.
Absolutely !!
I hate the size of the "12" on the GP. It throws off the symmetry.
Am I the only one that sees an imperfection on the center seconds hand of the Patel?
GP Dial is better, i hate cut off style from PP The back case from PP is better. Merry Christmas
Patek is worth 4x more, but that does not stop the GP from being a very nice watch. Especially the rose gold one with the ruthenium dial. There's also a very nice platinum cased one with a blue dial which imo rivals the Patek 5070P in the looks dep.
The Patek makes a tiny yet odd stall when the seconds hand passes by 12, anybody know why?
@lukew2194
4 жыл бұрын
Rooted Rotor. It's a common problem with lady size Pateks.
@josephm.6453
4 жыл бұрын
I think it's because of the fly back clutch of the chronograph
A.Lange & Sohne Dategraph or Carl F Bucherer Heritage Bicompax ???
I feel the GP is just a more handsome watch.
@light1531
4 жыл бұрын
I have a GP, the dials are fantastic under the loupe, the leaf hands on the sub dials are glorious, enough bang for me....
I have a breitling Super Avenger Chrono. Since December 1st when I reset the date I have gained 26 seconds of time in 20 days. I honestly dont know if that PP can say the same. My watch is also 300M waterproof. I know for a fact the PP isnt. It might not have the name and the pedigree. But for functionality I think my Breitling destroys the PP.
@m2pozad
4 жыл бұрын
Alright then- My Casio AW168 gains 1 second per 3 months. I use it to see if my atomic synched clock has synched after nights that it misses.
Lovely watches. One would be happy to own either of them. I’d pick the Patek if I can afford it.
Whats up with the sound?
Anyone know where you can buy a used Patek like that for 20k? No me neither
Yes it does....... thanks for the vid
The patek just looks right. Their proportions are almost always spot on.
The Patek looks case wise like the laureato when you turn it over XD
A. Lange & Söhne would be my first choice...but if i had to pick between these two, it would be the PP. If I'm going to spend a boatload of money on a timepiece, I want it to be a stunner - both in looks and engineering.