A great video Darren, nice comparison. Sorry that I stood in the way so stupidly in parts😅. Take care and ride on🤙

Such a hard topic to cover but you did it well mate, motors are such an important factor on these bikes. After trying a good few, it was the Dyname motor on my Rocky that won me over 👍🏻 Good video

@TrailTrackerSwitzerland

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Christian. This one actually took quite a lot planning and some help from Christoph, so it's nice to hear that it worked out well. I have to say I definitely preferred the Bosch to the Shimano.

Enjoyed that. Hopefully getting an eeb next year and it'll be coming with the Shimano motor. It's the only motor I've ever ridden with and I enjoyed it. It seems like it has plenty of competition!

@TrailTrackerSwitzerland

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Jamie. The differences really aren’t huge any more, so I’m sure you’ll love the new eeb. You’ll find it opens up new possibilities for routes that you’d never thought of before.

Nice video 🙂 I'm not into eMTB (so far anyway) so quite surprised the motor can make such a difference! Also, nice team work with Chris 🙂

@TrailTrackerSwitzerland

2 жыл бұрын

Don’t knock it til you’ve tried it 😜 it’s always great to go out filming with Christoph!

@JayRidesTrails

2 жыл бұрын

@@TrailTrackerSwitzerland oh im sure i will try it at some point!

First of al: thanks for all the videos you upload...I really enjoy watching them! Regarding to this video....I was wondering which of the two motors has the most drag?

@TrailTrackerSwitzerland

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for all the support. This was an aspect I unfortunately didn’t test, so I can’t really make a comparison.

Great comparison it’s good to know that there isn’t much in it I’m on the ep8 now it would be good if it had something like MTB mode as an option,for me the frame suspension and geometry and battery is the my main priority when choosing an E-bike

@TrailTrackerSwitzerland

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Gav. I’m looking forward to seeing what you decide to get next.

Thanks for the comparison, riding a Bosch powered bike and looking into a Shimano powered one ... I really love the way Bosch motor deliver power and the way I can use the different levels of assistance. Not that happy with the Eco level, looks a bit "empty" on climbs unless you keep high cadence for a prolonged interval, but both Tour and E-Mtb are top class. Hard choice

@TrailTrackerSwitzerland

Жыл бұрын

No worries. Glad you found it interesting. The one thing that would make me think twice about a Shimano motor are the reliability issues that I’ve heard about from various sources.

I ordered a bike with the new Bosch Performance Line CX motor with the smart system, can't wait. That's why I'm watching all these videos I guess.

@TrailTrackerSwitzerland

2 жыл бұрын

The motor on my bike has been solid throughout 2 years of heavy use, so I’m sure you’ll be very happy 😎

The bikes have differences, but st general i prefer the Shimano one, great vídeo my friend. Greetings from Argentina 😀😀😀👍🙋🏽‍♂️

@TrailTrackerSwitzerland

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Sergio. Thanks for watching. Thankfully there is a choice in terms of motor. It’s what keeps the manufacturers pushing to improve their products, which can only be good for riders.

Do you know what's better than BOTH those motors?!? My legs.... They don't call me "Legs of Fury" for nothing!! Hahaha Nice review/comparison Darren. More bro-science that actual science, but that's exactly what we need to know. How numbers on bits of paper translate to real world trails...

@TrailTrackerSwitzerland

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like an idea for a new pseudo scientific test. Legs of fury vs Bosch.

@TrailTales

2 жыл бұрын

@@TrailTrackerSwitzerland Pity the sound of me sobbing in pain is louder than the gentle Wirrrrrrrr of the Bosch. So if we exclude the "noise test" and replace it with a "which one can drink more beer" test... I'm in! :D

@JayRidesTrails

2 жыл бұрын

Haha this is gold. Sounds like you have a new video idea guys 😆

From my experience in a shop I would say Bosch’s warranty and after care is better but we get dramatically more gen4 Bosch motors dying at very low mileage compared to shimanos ep8.

@TrailTrackerSwitzerland

5 ай бұрын

Interesting. Thanks for sharing. I can confirm that the Bosch after sales service is really good. I got a big discount on a new motor when mine died after over 3 years of heavy use.

Good review. I had Bosch and then went to ep8. But im going back to Bosch i prefer the way it performs . Simple

@TrailTrackerSwitzerland

Жыл бұрын

Right on. For the moment, I'm staying on the Bosch side of the fence as well.

@diymasterTM

11 ай бұрын

I need to choose between Husqvarna/shimano vs Cube bosch... After every video or comment, I am more for bosch.

@TrailTrackerSwitzerland

10 ай бұрын

@@diymasterTM My personal experience and those of people I know clearly speak for Bosch over Shimano. How long that remain the case though is open. It’s hard to believe that a company like Shimano won’t be able to sort their act out and make the necessary improvements.

@danieltosic6213

Ай бұрын

​@@TrailTrackerSwitzerlandEhat you think syncdrive pro yamaha or bosh for power?

@TrailTrackerSwitzerland

Ай бұрын

@@danieltosic6213 Unfortunately, I’ve never had the chance to ride either of those motors.

Hi thanks for the video. Did you notice a difference in range?

@TrailTrackerSwitzerland

Жыл бұрын

Thanks. I didn’t test the range because it wouldn’t have been a great comparison between a 3 year old battery and a brand new one.

@topheavy7616

Жыл бұрын

@@TrailTrackerSwitzerland Fair enough. i’ve seen a YT video where a huge difference was reported by the tester between the EP8 and the Bosch gen4. Would love to see another test to confirm this. It would rule out an EP8 for me if this were the case.

Hello Friend! good video and thanks for sharing. greetings #ivan_mtb

@TrailTrackerSwitzerland

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for visiting. I'm glad you liked it 👍

Is the battery range any less for the boche vs the ep8 since it has more power?

@TrailTrackerSwitzerland

Жыл бұрын

Sorry I didn’t test the range.

I like my EP8 😜

@TrailTrackerSwitzerland

2 жыл бұрын

I couldn’t see any good reason to dislike either.

Omg I've owned an ep8 for a year and I didn't know about pressing the button in walk mode.

@TrailTrackerSwitzerland

Жыл бұрын

😀 I know that feeling, I'm still finding new functions on my Kiox display!!!

In my opinion the Bosch will help you when you are struggling to pedal but once you get momentum it feels like is holding you back. The contrary applies for shimano. I prefer the shimano if you are fitter specially climbing.

@TrailTrackerSwitzerland

Жыл бұрын

The only time I felt either motor was holding me back was when I hit the assistance speed limit. Did you feel this in all the modes? It'd be interesting to see if playing around with the assistance characteristics of the 2 motors makes this effect more or less pronounced.

@anonymousone6075

Жыл бұрын

then your probably pedalling under 60 cadence.. as soon as you go above 60 anf towards 80-90 the motor literally pulls you along but the power tapering off above 14.5mph in the UK sucks... rather hit a wall at 15.5 than have the tapering

do not buy a bike with any shimano motor they have anti tamper sensors inside of them and if you open the motor up to service it then it will be software bricked as soon as the motor gets power again. these things are droping like flys after warranty ends shimano will not fix the motors so only option is a new one at £900 if you fit it yourself. like apple shimano are anti right to repair i have had my bosch bike now for 8 years and did 10s thousands of miles on it with a dongle and all it needs is a set of new bearings and be good as new. my m8 runs the ebike motor centere and fixes about 30 motors a week but shimano are black listed as non serviceable. out of all the motors the yamaha ones are the best as can get most parts and even the controllers as dont use fkn can bus encryption so the batts can be recelled but needs a programming chip as uses uart programming so can be cracked.

@TrailTrackerSwitzerland

2 жыл бұрын

Nice to get the inside line - thanks for sharing 👍

@soundwave6769

2 жыл бұрын

@@TrailTrackerSwitzerland if peter wont service it then no one can as he got stang for thousands as had to have all the bearings custom made min order is 1000 units x buy 10 and yeah you get the idea of costs involved.

@megane230f1

2 жыл бұрын

recently had an e8000 go just after 3000 miles, the bike hasnt been hammered and im not heavy at 72kg, I was told by an e bike motor specialist to throw it in the bin rather than get it looked at as i had said thee e010 error code was coming up, speed torque sensor cant be fixed 899 quid for a new motor ive been quoted, wouldnt advise anyone to get an ebike with a shimano motor as the reliability is rubbish clocking up 3000 miles whilst bosch are doing 20k and not missing a beat plus they can be fixed

Title Bosch ep8?etc

@TrailTrackerSwitzerland

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for pointing that out. That’s what happens when you do things I a rush. All sorted now.

J'ai le Cilo cxf'07 mais avec le moteur Bosch...

@TrailTrackerSwitzerland

Жыл бұрын

That is definitely the way I would go!!!

I wouldn't touch a shimano motor with a barge pole.

@TrailTrackerSwitzerland

2 жыл бұрын

Ha ha. It seems like motors divide opinion just like ebike vs non ebike.

@MTBScotland

2 жыл бұрын

@@TrailTrackerSwitzerland from experiences that I've seen online Shimano doesn't have the best reputation. When I get a bike it will be with a bosch motor. better reliability and customer support when things do go wrong.

@TrailTrackerSwitzerland

2 жыл бұрын

I was speaking to a dealer about this other day and he was previously of the same opinion, but says that Shimano have been getting better. Only time will tell if the long term reliability is up to scratch though.

Bottom line, Bosch if your old and weak, Shimano when you want to feel how cycling once felt.

@TrailTrackerSwitzerland

Жыл бұрын

Or you could just go fully rigid and forgo a motor all together for the full experience.

J' ai le Bosch , prenez le Shimano,Bosch traite ses clients comme de la merde

@TrailTrackerSwitzerland

2 ай бұрын

That sucks when you receive bad customer service. I had bad service with a Brose motor problem a few years back, and it really put me off the brand.