When Liz said "I've had a lot of imaginary conversations with you." I could relate SO MUCH! LOL 😂

For me watching excellent consultation happen is the great power of this episode. Imagine what the world can achieve with this capacity of speaking well, listening and learning to move forward.

@WeAreManEnough

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing and being apart of this community

Thank you so much for this conversation!!❤ I really learned a lot and got moved to tears (man here btw). Loved the moment of resonance and learning with Richard, that this was able to happen is a sign of the high quality of your conversations and also of Richard's great personality. And loved that Richard shared so personal stuff, it really means a lot to see men share stuff like that.

@WeAreManEnough

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for sharing and being vulnerable with the community

Indifferent attitudes concerning the struggles of Boys and Men is a serious challenge for the twenty first century. Does anyone in the United States Government care about the struggles of Boys and Men ? Concerning being lonely, death of despair and other issues.

WOW! Liz, that's a very important distinction that you are making. I'm grateful for the insight!

@mreyesgranda

8 күн бұрын

I would argue, though, that instances can be found of male gendre inequality in the sense she understand it.

What a beautiful conversation. I have been searching for a podcast that can explore issues around masculinity, gender and race in a nuanced and open way. I think I have found what I was looking for! I feel really touched by the conversation, and the way you all explored with humility and compassion these potentially heated topics. Thank you so much. That inequality moment was very cool to witness. Maybe disparity is another option.

I live in the Philippines where women have been treated well for several generations. Yet when American men speak about us, they call us a matriarchy and use it as a dirty word against us. I'm glad to see at least a serious conversation getting started. I think an angle that is missing is that America is completely youth oriented and treat elderly so bad that boys literally dream of being teens forever. Compared to my country of the Philippines where becoming a mother and father is to bring honor to yourself and family. Motherhood and fatherhood are elevated in the Philippines and becoming older brings more respect. It's the opposite culture of America.

@WeAreManEnough

4 ай бұрын

Thank you. Glad you're here with us.

I think it was a very good insight from Liz about the term inequality and gap. We have to be sensitive about language if we want people to work together. Just like Richard does not like the term toxic masculinity, even though we don't imply that masculinity is toxic just like when we talk about toxic food we don't imply that food itself is toxic, we have to be mindful about language in contexts because people do interpret them in a certain way. It allowed me to be much more open minded about what Richard was talking about following that discussion so that was great.

Awesome conversation and huge distinction of what is conveyed by words we use. Thank you!❤🙏

@minabotieso6944

Жыл бұрын

Not allowing men to be the victim of inequality is not true and it’s not reasonable. It’s bigger than the word inequality. Nobody accepts that men are the victim gap, disadvantage or anything. We aren’t aloud to talk about men’s issues. They couldn’t explain the Men’s side of the struggles because we aren’t allowed to talk about it

This was a powerful conversation. ❤ Thank you for sharing it with us.

Great point Liz, the language can be interpreted as divisive, thus furthering men v women thinking. 32:21

@WeAreManEnough

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching!

I come back to many of your conversations. This is one of them. Appreciate it soo much

Wonderfull conversation. So many nuances to be considered on the subject gendre inequality.

Wow, i so appreciated his data and i have felt, even here in Canada, where we do have paternal leave, where teaching is a well paid profession, that its pretty tough to grow up a boy. I loved what was said about ways to get status in a modern world. Thank you so much!!!

Liz! What a great point about the need we have of having more men in the teaching profession. I am a teacher and I wish every day we have more male teachers in our school. I teacher in the public school system in Baltimore City btw and I know that if we have more men in our schools teaching our beautiful boys things will be better❤

@minabotieso6944

Жыл бұрын

It’s the most mindless and basic point. It’s more thoughtful and useful to discuss well why don’t men go into teaching and CARE fields? It accomplishes nothing to just say into the void that we need more men teachers.

God I love that crossword part. It really resonates. Nothing is quite like your child just wanting to hang out, well after they've "grown up".

Amazingly insightful as always 👏

This is such a beautiful dance of bouncing off of concepts, perspectives and language, semantics, oh waw you all delivered it so well and it was well received.

This is such an awesome guest, so honest and vulnurable especially at the end thanks. Richard.

@WeAreManEnough

4 ай бұрын

Thank you. Glad you're here with us.

So glad for this channel. As a mother of two teen boys, I am looking for more ways to support them to be men.

@aquarius-woman5364

Жыл бұрын

Is their father involved?

@consciouspreconception334

Жыл бұрын

@@aquarius-woman5364 Yes, he is. He is a good role model. But unfortunately, there are a lot of unhealthy role models, too (TIkTok, hip hoppers and Andrew Tate) that they and their peers are influenced by. Lots of confusion about what it means to be a man these days.

I have learned that death of despair among men needs to be addressed truthfully because indifferent is more dangerous than hate. September 11, 2001 occurred via indifference.

Best episode ever ❤❤

“Inequality” as a mathematical term vs “inequality” as a signifier for oppression One is raw data. The other is causal, pointing to injustice, and to systematized, enacted hate. And these become instantly interchangeable in the public dialogue, IN BOTH DIRECTIONS. To say “inequality” while pointing out a difference in the number of this group versus that group gets used to argue there is no more numerical inequality, and gets used to argue that there is hate and oppression towards whichever group is in the ‘less than’ spot, even if that group has historically never been there before. Even if numbers are equal, though, equal representation does not equal equality; does not indicate that the cards are no longer stacked; that the parity isn’t fragile; or that getting to and from work and home is any less fraught for the group that’s kicking their way “up” to “equal”.

People should be allowed to be their authentic selves, no matter how masc or fem. Lots of girls are not all that fem, and visa versa. They should be allowed to be ourselves without being policed to be something other than what they naturally are as individuals

@WeAreManEnough

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for sharing this perspective

@stinkystu1

Жыл бұрын

The problem is that women are policing themselves, and they have government policing men. Women are the source of all of this.

Curious to know the next level on Hispanic/Latino college attendance: did they not WANT to farther away? Or did they FEEL pressured to not go far away? Or were they TOLD they were NOT ALLOWED to go far away and then just SAID they did not want to?

Male confusion about employment goals is really hurtful this issue needs to be addressed truthfully . Otherwise this will get worse rather than better as time moves forward. ❤❤❤❤❤ How much more confusion needs to go on in connection to five to twenty years ?

@WeAreManEnough

6 ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing

Adding to Jamey's point. Think of how much better things would be if we thought about and chose our words when speaking.

@jutsu1

5 ай бұрын

😂 socialist?

Zero sum thinking is absolutely a problem

Indifference concerning the struggles of Boys and Men is a serious issue of concern Indifference will grow and become worse . -Philippians 4:4-9,13

This was so good.

There are some who said that the struggles of Boys and Men are not real . What can you say to deal with indifference truthfully ?

@WeAreManEnough

4 ай бұрын

Great question. Data can help to expand the thinking of people in that place. Richard provides some amazing stats and evidence, as do Scott Galloway and others. That still leaves it in an impersonal space that is easy to deflect, though, so if you can see a way to call them in with something more personal, like a question about boys and men in their own lives, that can be a helpful way to start getting them to think differently.

@EricMHowardII-yh1rn

3 ай бұрын

The Good News there are some women who care about the struggles of Boys and Men : 1. Dads 2.Husbands 3. Sons 4. Brothers Women. Moms 1. Wives. 2. Daughters 3. Sisters 4. Social Wall : Building a wall of indifference is not helpful between men and women. The same principle applies to boys and girls. Zero sum gain is the burning match that stirs up the attitude of indifference.

This was great but I have a few things I want to say: 1) Why does Liz think that the term "Gender inequality" means oppression and "not allowed" when in actual sense it means not equal. I’m having a hard time understand why the word oppression has to be attached to the words gender inequality. 2) You did not speak about society has a whole. Like what’s happening on social media and the degrading of males. Recently in the women’s March on women’s day there were women holding signs "kill all men" in the Netherlands. Why are we not touching on that? I’m 19 and it’s affecting me a lot mentally so why not touch down on things that actually matter? Not saying that the school equality stuff doesn’t matter but it’s not really the main focus. 3) I love Richard but it really felt like you guys boxed him in on the information he can present. I know how much that guy is capable off and this felt like it didn’t get anywhere. You guys just started diving in with no foundation. I don’t even know what the topic was because one minute we talking about women’s equality then we diving into the past and bringing out racism and slavery which does matter but how does it matter today. Why can’t we deal with the issues at hand. 4) There’s so much to talk about, how men get shamed for height, did you know there’s actually a height filter for men on dating apps. How is that gonna make them feel. Men are literally going to surgeries to extend their height so they could feel acceptable and wanted! 5) The core elements of what drives male suicide rates is never talked about. Look at how they brainwashing boys in the UK from having their own opinions on Tate for example. Literally gathered a budget just to make boys think a certain way then feed the homeless!!! Also while we here why are there so less male shelters to help men. Why are there more men on the streets than women? People want to ban Andrew Tate btw he’s free from prison and on house arrest but that shows how not serious the situation is and the lack of evidence presented. To many he’s the father that nobody had, and for most he’s sparking a fuse that nobody is lighting! I don’t know guys there is just so much and I’m 19 and I’ve only been on social media recently but I’ve seen so much I could write so many books on this. You guys really need to unpack more so there’s more awareness for problems men are facing or else we gonna get nowhere.

Critics of Richard V Reeves do not see nor care about the struggles of Boys and Men. Indifference is the keyword that is setting the American society on fire. Some men are more sensitive towards attitudes of we do not care. A repubic if American society can keep it together.

Is there a reason Hispanic college kids don't want to be far from home? Do they not feel safe? Do they not have as many resources if things go wrong?

@sarimkh

10 ай бұрын

I think a large proponent has to be family values, it's common in hispanic, south asian, east asian cultures. At least from anecdotal observation, I don't see a lot of white friends and their families being too concerned with this.

@numoonmystic7864

10 ай бұрын

It's a detriment to "white" families to disconnect so much, but, my concern is do Hispanic kids feel safe being far from home. Anyhoo. No need to over analyze.

@Botyoutubeaccount

7 ай бұрын

⁠@@numoonmystic7864from someone who went to an extremely diverse High school white families don’t really disconnect (especially if there is wealth). Hispanics and East and southern Asians are extremely group oriented ppl. Hispanics tend to stick with their families and if that is not an option they tend to stick of those of similar race for comfort and backing in scenarios

Or now more women with college degrees and suddenly they mean nothing to employers. What is that? How do these things happen across an entire society?

@dragonbeardable

5 ай бұрын

Suddenly? Maybe because degrees have been getting more and more accessible over time. There have been cheap online colleges now for years.

Lol, I'll NEVER be a "feminist." Will always mean misandrist to me, ESPECIALLY in the modern era. And I find it hilarious that even his WIFE said he wasn't masculine enough lol. Yeah, when even Richard's wife is saying that, I'll stick to being masculine. Not like it really matters because I've lost ALL interest in society at this point lol.

@reesebeebe6609

Жыл бұрын

Just curious, why do you think that being a feminist means not being masculine?

@HonkHonkler

Жыл бұрын

@@reesebeebe6609 Yes because you're actively against your own interests since feminism is ACTIVELY anti-man, but to each their own I guess. Nothing matters anyways.

@marcod5027

Жыл бұрын

This is the zero-sum thinking Christopher speaks about when he makes the case for treating mens issues seriously. Precisely because all humans should be able to live a worthy life, where they are useful for their communities.

@Googleistheantichrist

5 ай бұрын

@@marcod5027no one will ever treat men’s issues respectfully or even seriously. If it’s a woman’s problem, it’s men’s fault. If it’s a man’s problem, it’s mens fault. It’s been a zero sum game for over 60 years

@dragonbeardable

5 ай бұрын

​@@reesebeebe6609becuase feminism has zero positivity towards cis masc men. Zero positive reinforcement for good men.

Really silly how you guys talked during the part about inequality that you were easily able to talk about how and why women and black people faced inequality but you couldn’t explain why men are facing it now. If you are talking about men going to college less then women you should be able to talk about why that is and you guys didn’t.

@Nova_Jan

Күн бұрын

They're dodging it lol.

I think the liberal middle class has ignored too often white working class people and too much of the identity politics of recent years has excluded white working class people.I think this is part of the reason for this backlash against Wokism. I remember in the 80's in the UK that there was a much more common cause and understanding between working class white and black or other 2nd,3rd generation migrant communitties or ethnic minorities.There was this understanding that we had common grievnaces and also that race was an added part of that too. It felt a lot less divided than it does now at least in the UK and also alot less performative than it often seems now where people will be more worried often about using the "right word"or saying what they think is "politically correct"rather than actually taking any action that actually changes things or standing up against racism or sexism in concrete ways. I'm not saying that language does not matter but too often people can "say all the right things"withiout actually doing anything.Performative politics or activism seems to be more popular now than when I grew up.Its only a tiny minority of people who actually go out and get involved whether its protest or some other form of activism but they talk the talk and thats why this "cancel culture" has got so out of control.Often more heat then light without any actual action or being truely informed.Its too much about "being seen"to say and do the "right" thing without actually taking action.

I wonder how many actual conversations of Andrew Tate have y’all actually listen to… he actually is willing to stand out and that’s why young man gravitate to him. He’s willing to be the one persecuted so we can wake up

@chetna3963

Жыл бұрын

He's a misogynist and he said women are a man's property, to his belief in male superiority and power. He went to jail for sex trafficking and rape.

@fatu1738

Жыл бұрын

Well said!

@blackCladLad

Жыл бұрын

Yo that Christ complex you have for a human trafficker is somethin else 🤡

@mannyphr3sh17

Жыл бұрын

@@bboyHogan maybe “persecuted” was reaching, cuse a martyr he’s not I agree, and by waking up I mean us men waking up to the fact that young man gravitate to fate beacuse they don’t have a role model in their life that they can attach their masculinity to, being a man in todays society is almost as looked at as if we are the problem. I definitely don’t mind engaging into a conversation I hope you don’t think I want to disrespect this show by my comments beacuse I’m a listener on podcast I just felt like sometimes we are so afraid of speaking up that when we speak cancel culture comes in and ruins people’s life by simply speaking out.

@cobraprofession

Жыл бұрын

@@bboyHogan Women like it when a man protects and provides for them, that is the masculinity ANDREW TATE promotes. He gives men alternative ways of making money online rather than being trapped in a regular 9 to 5. The Real World (HU) is an educational platform where millionaires teach men and women how to make money in their respective fields of expertise. So how is that a scam? Do you get value from your investment? Is Netflix a scam? Is traditional education a scam?

Also, Tate's free lol.

@upendasana7857

Жыл бұрын

He's under house arrest not free...lol

Wow that 3rd host is dumb asking the simplest question. You host a podcast about men’s issues. You should know how men’s issues are going outside of the US

FFS... Same old, same old talking point excuses. Whatever. I have zero interest in this gynocentric society. You all can figure it out on your own, I'll stick to weed and video games. Also have lost interest in women too lol, so I'm completely and totally atomized and apathetic to the world now.

@sabrinaasgarkhan

Жыл бұрын

If you have lost all interest why are you on here commenting so much? Clearly something is bothering you. Clearly there is something you can work on just like all of us human beings. No need to be so cold. Weed and video games? Have you lived? Have you experienced pain or trauma? Have you actually lost people in your life that meant everything to you? Or just rejection from woman? Life is shitty and horrible. Everyday men and woman, boys and girls are getting abused and trafficked. It’s a business ffs. Like actually think about that for one second. Humans are being trafficked and passed around like cattle. Like they mean nothing. There are people out there that will never know what a video game is. They will never know what weed is. The only thing they know is pain and abuse. And everyday they are wishing they could die. And you want to come here on a channel that is actually trying to do some good for the world and be negative?They have conversations that aren’t easy. I’m going to judge and draw conclusions here. But what are you actually doing? To make things better? What are you actually actively doing in your everyday life to make society better? Video games and weed? And listening to people like Andrew Tate right? You have one life. And yes you can spend it however you want. But hurting other people and supporting people that cause harm to others isn’t the way. Condoning behavior that is harmful and toxic isn’t right. And that stands for everyone. Man or woman. This is not a feminist thing or a masculine thing. This is a human thing. We need to stop hurting each other. And maybe just maybe if you actually listened and wanted to learn you wouldn’t say such sad things on the internet. People like Andrew Tate don’t care about society. All they care about is money. Because when a boy or man listens to some of the harmful things he says and goes out in the world and harms other human beings. Andrew Tate is not going to be there to help this person through their trauma. It’s sad that society has come to this yes. But instead of doing something to make it better. Here you are just leaving unnecessary comments. I hope you heal. I hope you become healthy. I hope you have a fulfilling life in helping others and doing good. I hope the hole you have in your heart is filled with love and joy. Enjoy your weed and video games.

This podcast is a part of the problem. Smh

I wish this guy would stop saying "we've"as in "we've broadened the ways in which you can be a woman but not for men..." What he means is women have faught tooth and nail to braoden what they are allowed to do and be,women have fought for these rights and access and against stereotypes. Now maybe its up to men to do the same but obviously the motivation and inpetus to do as has not been the same as it was for women as women had second class status often in service to men. For men to recognise that toxic male sterotypes and behaviours are doing them more harm than good is what maybe will help many of them change but whilst it has given them privileges and power in relation to women then obviously it has not been in their interests.Now with mental health issues in men and breakdown of relationships as women are able to go and to work and not rely on men financially this is the impetus apparently they need to change. BUt please stop saying "we've"because mostly this has come from and been by women and NOT men.Men did not give us these privileges but women fought for them !!!

@Nova_Jan

Күн бұрын

Women didn't fight for any privileges, they where given to them by men as they have always been a protected class. The reason why men haven't been able to "broaden their roles" as you say is because men are the responsible sex in our society. There are things that NEEED to be done, and the ones that are going to do them are men. That reality isn't going to change any time soon, because the only reason why women are even able to enjoy the flexibility that they currently have is because one group has been shouldering the necessary burdens.

Andrew Tate is a good source of hope because he is a father figure to many fatherless boys.

@blackCladLad

Жыл бұрын

And a pimp/human trafficker to many parentless girls. Weird how role models work, huh.

@AndiAlexander1

Жыл бұрын

That’s like saying street gangs are a good source of family for young men without a strong family system. Maybe that’s the unconscious attraction, but it’s into a poisonous system.

@Venusbabe66

Жыл бұрын

Oh, great! Just because traumatised, emotionally damaged boys are drawn to a psychopathic traumatised narcissist like Tate or their 'gangs' because they feel lost, that does not make the quality of 'hope' Tate provides a good source of hope... it's toxic hope - because it feels familiar to the trauma they grew up with. Not good at all and only purpetuates the toxicity in those boys who take it out on society at large.

@foysollee750

2 ай бұрын

@@Venusbabe66 emotionally damaged boys traumatized narcissist? but these boys grew up with their single-mothers!!!!

@Venusbabe66

2 ай бұрын

@foysollee750 And where are the good decent father figures that these boys needed? Sure, some of these single mothers were damaged by emotionally damaged fathers, too... but all single mothers do the best they can with what they have. Where are the good men to help with the raising of their children?