As a young boy, I struggled to not only express but feel emotions. To be in touch with my emotional center, to experience joy, to feel whole within myself were things I was avoiding because I had an obsession with the dark. With pain. With negativity itself. And I remember visualizing myself merely as a medium through which that “darkness” passed through, and I remember loving the way it made me feel. I knew I wasn’t the darkness, but I felt it and saw it as a teacher to show me the world as it “truly” was. For years, my parents (both of them were present, I should note) fought against my inner obsession with darkness by leading me to the lighter, happier waters of life and impressing upon me that I need only to drink and it would be there. They would be there, joy would be there. They didn’t understand why I needed to feel so much negativity, but they didn’t judge me for it. They didn’t make me feel ashamed for who I was, but critically that I should feel ashamed if it drove my actions. If it led to violence. What this episode did for me is it unearthed that truth. It unearthed again that darkness I used to follow within me, but simultaneously remind me that it was not my fault that I was drawn to it. That so many boys go through that, and the problem we face is so many boys go through that with substantially less present and nuanced support like I did. I love the idea that men have never been here before, meaning we have the opportunity to become something we have never been before. Thank you for all of your wonderful thoughts and know that men are listening. Thank you for all that you are and have shared with the world. This is an episode I will have many of my male friends hear. 💜

@WeAreManEnough

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing such an honest response. The opportunity is right here. It's also not easy at all. Please do share with other men; it's the only way we'll get them to open themselves to this as well. Sending love and strength. So glad you're here with us.

Love right at the end, emotions! "Lean into the tears." "Embrace the sloppy part of your emotions" Whew!

“Plant trees the shade of which you’ll never sit under.” Profound 😭

I hope one day you have Gabor Matte. His new book myth of normal also talks about core issues of why the system is so messed up ad how it can certainly affect boys, and men.

@WeAreManEnough

Жыл бұрын

Completely agree! Working out schedules now.

@Larindarr

Жыл бұрын

@@WeAreManEnough I saw it I am soooo happy ✨💖🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻

I just watched this again. SO valuable! SO helpful!

@WeAreManEnough

10 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

This episode is gold

@WeAreManEnough

Жыл бұрын

Thank you.

I really like this guest

The fries analogy seems to be a riff off of the brilliant Brit tea animation. Worth checking out.

Awesomeness 🎉❤

This is an interesting conversation.

@WeAreManEnough

Жыл бұрын

Thank you.

I remember when I was in high school, I was labeled a nerd. But when bullied, I leaned into it by responding. "Yeah, I'm weird, and I love it!" Funny thing is I did that to embarrass the bullies in front of their friends. It was my way of taking power from them.

Kerem's episode when!!!!!!??????

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Жыл бұрын

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Жыл бұрын

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Жыл бұрын

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Жыл бұрын

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Жыл бұрын

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What a beautiful podcast. You hit the nail on the head. Scott Galloway is the voice we need right now.

@WeAreManEnough

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! If you enjoyed this one, you'll probably really appreciate next week's episode with Richard Reeves too. Stay tuned.

@painunending4610

6 ай бұрын

The voice you need is someone telling people that gender roles should stay as they are

You need to get Stephan Jenkinson. He talked about loss of elder hood and also wrote a book call dying wise. He is a story teller and he has a great podcast on London Real.

This was a fascinating interview. The blame on the patriarchy was a stretch and one where i think the female reporter missed the point. You can’t advocate for one and not desire to advocate to the other. The goal is to level up all.. vs create a caste system economically that levels one and leaves the others behind.

@WeAreManEnough

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your thoughtful feedback.

@joecoffee7750

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I agree and you see it everywhere. Women often taken joy when they see men fail and then blame the patriarchy for everything else

@painunending4610

6 ай бұрын

Liz Plank clearly wants to just keep the aspects patriarchy she likes and get rid of the ones she doesn't

I hope I'm right on this, but I think this is a transitory phenomenon that came about because the world changed. From my limited anecdotal impression , dads in my parents generation seemed wildly uninvolved compared to the way most dads of my generation are. My analysis is that boomers and gen-x parents grew up in a time where the dad worked, and the mom stayed home. It worked for them, so they replicated it. The world changed, though, and that style lead to a pile of men with no role models whatsoever. I see dads being vastly, vastly more involved these days, so I'd expect this to swing back. Painful few decades, though.

"No call whatsoever..." because its intentional. You are being replaced

It’s hard to blame it on the younger generations inability to go out and do things when minimum wage has barely changed since the 70’s in comparison to inflation. A lot of young people are disillusioned to the work force because they know that working a minimum wage job won’t even allow them to get a savings account

I would argue that young men are also inheriting a backlash born of their grandmothers’ lives. I am an older woman who had no desire to replicate my mother’s or grandmothers’ lives. One of whom, who was abused, poignantly said, “I’d have left your grandfather, but had four children and no place to go.” Generations of women being treated as a free source of social services and no personal autonomy has resulted in a cohort of very independent females. I personally joined the military to obtain my independence and have raised two daughters to stand on their own. It will take time to find middle ground. Men who understand this will have an advantage with wary women.

@WeAreManEnough

Жыл бұрын

Well said!

@mayamichelle6741

Жыл бұрын

Astute articulation!

@Lithium19

2 ай бұрын

The women have been given programs and opportunities to bootstrap and start lives, the males are trapped and deprived of once existing jobs. Got yours eff you.

Loved the episode. Took so many good things from it. But can we chill with all the “Mhmmmm” that’s all I kept hearing from her

Absolutely brilliant and relatable episode! There were a lot of statistics and metrics mentioned, is there any way to find out where they came from?

@josuealcaraz7578

Жыл бұрын

2nd that request

@ronsparkman4913

Жыл бұрын

Liz's book "For The Love of Men" and Scott's book "Adrift" touch on a lot of the themes and data here. Scott was on a promo tour for Adrift at the time

She asked where are the men for young boys. We have a cultural that has lost the art and practice of FATHERHOOD. The patriarchal cultural as Bell Hooks describes in her book on Masculinity was fathers need to provided and that’s is that. Also a lot of men are dead beats. “We are in an age of the most old people on the planet, and the least wisdom from our elders. There is a disconnect of elder hood and fatherhood”

@SN-sz7kw

Жыл бұрын

But historically, many of them didn’t. My family is rife with tales of men drinking up their wages & beating their dependent wives in the bargain. And this wasn’t an anomaly. Men are actually more responsible if their spouse has the autonomy to make it without him.

49:30 Is it Jordan Peterson who won't be named? Joe Rogan, maybe? Honest question.

28:01

There are no individual solution for systemic problems, which is what is advocated here and is completely the wrong approach. The bottom 20 to 40% of young men will continue to be pushed down and held back.

it's what i've been saying in the to the Wind, a good reason for UBI of a $1000 per person, not this family crap UBI, where it's one person that is usually controlling, or the think the money they earn is theirs, and not Are's... with UBI money...the women, might pick a man they love or get alone with, instead of a how much he makes... if they are both getting UBI... lot's of good reason to have UBI... Maybe one person can stay home, and take care of the kids full time... oh Well, something like Will Rodge's said....What a Nut Idea, it will be 30 years before we have to do it.... and we will pay a price for are greed... big price... if you have UBI, or what Patrick Henery called it, over a couple of hundred years ago, 'American Dividend'... We could get rid of Food Stamps, to help pay for UBI... and maybe less people turning to Drugs, to feel better about them selves...

Scott makes some good points which finally takes into account evolutionary biology, which the hosts of this channel seem to be completely ignorant and blind to. Most other episodes are just woke chit chat without any regards to human evolutionary biology.

Patriarchy is toxic masculinity. Being aligned with patriarchy is a toxic choice. Yet we are not teaching children about how we can emerge from patriarchy into something more balanced. If we are to have harmony between beings we need to have freedom of expression, bodily autonomy, and release the boundaries of our dreaming of what friendship, connection, and love can mean in all our relationships.

@WeAreManEnough

Жыл бұрын

We agree - the patriarchy is undeniably detrimental. It's important that we don't conflate that with "manhood", as there are many positive ways to embrace one's masculinity, whether traditional or a new definition of what it means to be a man. They system and rigid, oppressive structure is the issue.

I love the show. All the groaning, though, is killing me…almost unlistenable. Ugh, i feel weird pointing it out, but thought it might be helpful.

@WeAreManEnough

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback. Glad you're enjoying the show.

>>> are we man enough >>> has a man-bun nah dog.

@raphaelnoz7269

Жыл бұрын

I noticed that too, then continued to watch and saw that he was just a commercial. So you missed the real show?

@dancoyle6911

Жыл бұрын

Such a weird take. It does let me know you’ve never seen the show and that you didn’t even watch past his two minutes segment in the beginning of this one. You are the exact type of person who would benefit vastly from consuming this content. Your association with a man bun being from a lack of masculinity is absolute bullshit and based on nothing. Scott Galloway, the guest on this one, is a better role model for someone like you, someone who doesn’t understand the truth of masculinity, than anyone you’ll encounter in the Peterson-Shapiro-Goggins-Fuentes universe.

@RicoCilliers

Жыл бұрын

@@dancoyle6911 it was a joke dude calm down. so I didn't watch the video, whatever. It's still far too tame and doesn't get to the heart of any real issues facing men today. I'd much rather watch JP or Shapiro, since they get much closer to the mark. They don't feed us "safe & sanitized" drivel. I did watch a little and quickly found stuff I completely disagree with. 8:20 for example is not true. my original joke was simply based on the idea that you shouldn't take masculinity advice from someone who goes out of their way to display feminine characteristics openly. (like taking family advice from a gay person, when the very idea of homosexuality is fundamentally opposed to a heterosexual, monogamous based nuclear family as the basic building-block of society).

@RicoCilliers

Жыл бұрын

Also all this talk of men having to "show their emotions" is just stupid. A man should be emotionally mature and resistant to emotions in general. True manliness is being able to take an emotional beating and remain functional where the average woman would not be able to do so. This is beneficial to everyone, as it compliments the woman's traits. Men and women are fundamentally psychologically different in many ways. This should be celebrated and not obscured. it's incredibly hypocritical of these types of people to tell men they should wear their emotions openly, but only certain emotions are apparently acceptable. When a man cries like a girl all the modern feminists think it's adorable, but let him just show the first signs of rage (righteous or otherwise) everyone is suddenly demonizing him and saying things like "toxic masculinity". A true man should be able to control himself, whether he feels sadness, rage, or even joy to an extent.

@raphaelnoz7269

Жыл бұрын

@@RicoCilliers >>>didn't watch the video. >>> claims other dudes get much closer. uh huh.

This guests mindset is completely lacking a queer perspective. It's bothersome.

@kinderone1

Жыл бұрын

Liz, thank you for making the effort.

@WeAreManEnough

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your feedback. He has certainly exhibited empathy and understanding for the queer community in his body of work; perhaps not in this conversation.

@kinderone1

Жыл бұрын

@@WeAreManEnough I appreciate that and I certainly never want to tell myself I know someone else's story completely. You know! I don't even know my own story completely 😂

@kinderone1

Жыл бұрын

@@WeAreManEnough having empathy is great, but an intersectional approach might help.

@WeAreManEnough

Жыл бұрын

@@kinderone1 Haha well said

Yeah, you people still aren't understanding young men... NO ONE is... The future is so fucked lol. The video after video, article after article, blame after blame... NO ONE is actually listening to young men and this isn't going to end well and I honestly can't wait till it does and people go: _"But how did we get here? How did is get this bad?"_ Because you're not listening... Whatever, I've pretty much given up all hope.

@SN-sz7kw

Жыл бұрын

You aren’t explaining either. How about you add to the conversation? It might be helpful.

@anonnymous7009

Жыл бұрын

This deserves no talking to. Basically they are saying: Go be the government's lapdog, pay taxes get divorce raped and delete yourself before pension. The solution is to not do anything. Enjoy the decline. Yes you live in bad times but other men had it worse. Wait for the system to collapse.

@timmartin8191

Жыл бұрын

It's up to you to help it end well, you already understand the problem. You have the power to make a difference because you are aware of the problem. This is directed at me as much as it is you.

@painunending4610

6 ай бұрын

​@@SN-sz7kw Would you actually listen to what he has to say tho?