Electro-osmosis: pumping water with electricity and no magnets

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An electro-osmotic pump is an unusual and interesting way to pump fluids and also measure their flow rate with only an electric field (no magnets).
Refs (in order of relevance)
sci-hub.tw/10.1016/S0039-9140...
micromachine.stanford.edu/~dla...
www3.nd.edu/~changlab/documen...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
psec.uchicago.edu/library/pho...
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  • @bigclivedotcom
    @bigclivedotcom5 жыл бұрын

    I wasn't expecting the flow to be that fast or the current so low.

  • @AppliedScience

    @AppliedScience

    5 жыл бұрын

    Someone mentioned your vid on EO dehumidifiers. I can't believe I missed it the first time around! I never knew such things existed.

  • @thom1218

    @thom1218

    5 жыл бұрын

    @bigclivedotcom - I'm pretty sure you "disassembled" a device that kept humidity lower on the inside of the device, by using this principle. You commented on the unique manufacturing of the "solid-state" dehumidifier square patches, as I recall.

  • @bigclivedotcom

    @bigclivedotcom

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@AppliedScience I'd known about them for a while, but shamelessly used my new-found KZread stardom to scrounge a module from them. (They actually sent me a few.) The biggest one that I took apart actually passed a lot of current when initially powered because it had absorbed a lot of ambient moisture. I guess that's why they specify that the power supply has to current limit and not go into hiccup mode. Another odd electrosmosis application is electronic damp courses where electrodes are implanted in a wall to drive moisture down to the ground.

  • @BESHYSBEES

    @BESHYSBEES

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@bigclivedotcom plasterer by trade dont do it anymore but done a lot of damp wall in the past, stainless weld rods ive been told by some cowboys lol I only started watching your vids the other day some light reviews bbrought me to your channel👍nice

  • @wobblysauce

    @wobblysauce

    5 жыл бұрын

    Has nothing on a COB light/solar panel.

  • @RealEngineering
    @RealEngineering5 жыл бұрын

    This is amazing. All in the quest of silent pumps.

  • @lehanjones242

    @lehanjones242

    5 жыл бұрын

    Applied science: the only channel with 56k views and 4 comments from verified youtubers

  • @przemekkobel4874

    @przemekkobel4874

    5 жыл бұрын

    Anyone with a fish tank in the house can tell how crucial it would be to have a truly silent water pump. This one would fail though (unsafe due to high voltage, prone to clogging).

  • @tonysolar284

    @tonysolar284

    5 жыл бұрын

    Time to integrate it into a car.

  • @shniss5403

    @shniss5403

    5 жыл бұрын

    Przemek Kobel this tech would probably be more useful on stealth submarines

  • @odriew5014

    @odriew5014

    5 жыл бұрын

    I'm more interested in if this can be used for marine propulsion. How efficient is this process.

  • @ThisOldTony
    @ThisOldTony5 жыл бұрын

    you're a braver man than I, sharing this tech with the 21st century.

  • @SurajGrewal

    @SurajGrewal

    5 жыл бұрын

    Come-on man, at least give us a hint in how cancer will be cured I'm the future.

  • @IAQMas

    @IAQMas

    5 жыл бұрын

    Dude! We really need schematics for that turbo encabulator you have in the broken tap bin!

  • @paullelyukh2422

    @paullelyukh2422

    5 жыл бұрын

    Dude you need to try using the philip sonicare electric toothbrush as an ultrasonic cutter I'm pretty sure it vibrates at 40 kHz! Also tell the The Thought Emporium channel which made a video cuz of your ultrasonci video to try to extract DNA or other biomolecules with it!

  • @paullelyukh2422

    @paullelyukh2422

    5 жыл бұрын

    Maybe you could cure cancer with gene editing! LOL

  • @joppepeelen

    @joppepeelen

    5 жыл бұрын

    damn did not know TOT watches this to :) weird how people tend to watch all the same channels if they only liked one of them :)... or maybe not weird.. youtube might be part of that. anyhow i love both of the channels :)

  • @encrust1
    @encrust15 жыл бұрын

    "There's a lot of complicated math they like to throw in there because it's an academic paper"

  • @AppliedScience

    @AppliedScience

    5 жыл бұрын

    I don't do rants on my channel, but if I did, I'd rant about the desire for authors to make their subject seem as complicated and difficult as possible. It's understandable why they do this, but doesn't serve the purpose of making knowledge accessible.

  • @ETXAlienRobot201

    @ETXAlienRobot201

    5 жыл бұрын

    totally agreed.. i hate looking at "official" sources/papers for this exact reason!

  • @badassmastermax

    @badassmastermax

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@AppliedScience i've always seen it as an organization problem and/or a lack of artistic skill to make the paper easy on the eyes, because math is always important.

  • @mildlyacidic

    @mildlyacidic

    5 жыл бұрын

    To be fair, I did a lot of modeling myself when it came to electric fields inside ionic liquids (via Nernst-Plank) and it is anything but trivial. Although the overall concept seems simple, coupling electric potential with ionic movement inside of a fluid is an incredibly nonlinear phenomenon. The PDE solver I used could barely handle even the simplest 1D cases of the problem. Then, if you choose to involve electrochemical reactions, the potential is no longer transparent and that dynamics of such a situation become even more complex, especially when your reactions couple with your ionic species whose concentrations feed back into the potential which then feeds back into the reactions. Eelctrochemistry is one area where I believe complicated mathematics is all but a necessity. My main issue is that researchers working in this field don't seem to make an effort to non-dimensionalize their variables or lump parameters making the math look messier than it actually is.

  • @ETXAlienRobot201

    @ETXAlienRobot201

    5 жыл бұрын

    tbh, i'm lost on most everything you've said, but yeah... there should be more emphasis on making that complicated math readable for those who might actually need to use it. the same problem runs rampant with computer science. There's too much emphasis on complex formulas/expressions/etc, and next to no emphasis on making this data remotely possible to read for the vast majority of people who might have use for it. >.>

  • @TechIngredients
    @TechIngredients5 жыл бұрын

    You got something against magnets? Just kidding. Nicely done with a good explanation. Solid.

  • @PAKOREGON
    @PAKOREGON5 жыл бұрын

    looks like you are using a Power Designs 2K-10 power supply. I worked for Power Designs back in the late '60s at their Stanford Industrial Park facility (Palo Alto, California) where the 2K-10 was produced. Brings back some fond memories. Glad to see after about 50 years it is still working.

  • @n17ikh

    @n17ikh

    5 жыл бұрын

    The Power Designs supplies are excellent. I own a 2010, a 3650-S, and a 3K10B. All of them work perfectly and are in regular use on my bench, and the 3650 is older than the moon landing.

  • @spagamoto

    @spagamoto

    5 жыл бұрын

    Nice! I've got a 2020B! Still works.

  • @smeezekitty

    @smeezekitty

    5 жыл бұрын

    I just bought a Power Designs 6050D. Never heard of the company before that

  • @timbdotus

    @timbdotus

    4 жыл бұрын

    I’ve restored about a dozen of the older 2000 series supplies. The build quality in them was amazing! The main failure mode on them is the thermal switch inside the reference oven. They used a simple bimetallic switch to keep the oven at 80c. You can still buy new switches but it requires completely disassembling the oven assembly, which is difficult to do without breaking the bakelite base. I ended up designing a solid state replacement based on an op-amp, SSR and thermistor. You just drill a small hole in the oven base, feed the thermistor up and seal it in with some silicone sealant. The circuit is powered directly from the AC via a simple capacitive dropper. This keeps the oven at 80c +-0.25c, which is better than the +-3c of the original bimetallic switch. I’ve resold about 10 of these refurbished supplies on eBay and they’ve been working for 5 years now with no problems! I’ve got about 5 Power Designs supplies in my lab, my favorite being the 2020B!

  • @altimmons
    @altimmons3 жыл бұрын

    I worked on this as an undergrad. Didn’t get anywhere really took me a whole year to fully grasp the mechanisms at that level and my post doc advisor would just assign me the projects that he stalled out on (which in hindsight was a bit unfair) but it was really interesting. We’d etch borosilicate glass like you do silicon to get these tiny channels. Use 20,000 V (very low currents). They had several applications proposed- though when I went back a decade later it seemed little real “big picture” progress was made (tbf I have not reviewed the papers from the group in a very long time). Specifically my post doc worked on doing electrophoresis of proteins in 2 dimensions using the chip. He and the group used positive charged micelles which moved contrary to the field, non-polar proteins would spend more time inside the Micelle and going the wrong way for the first dimension. The second dimension we’d dump in the same buffer minus SDS sufficient to break the micelles. This would make a second dimension separate on charge vs drag. (First was charge vs polarity ratio)

  • @rovidius2006

    @rovidius2006

    11 ай бұрын

    It did not go anywhere but the story lives on ,thanks for sharing .

  • @erikjarrett4781

    @erikjarrett4781

    8 ай бұрын

    I was beginning to think I invented a memory of a similar method of protein separation being discussed in one of my grad school classes. I no longer think I'm going crazy!! Thanks for your story!

  • @spvillano

    @spvillano

    2 ай бұрын

    I remember back in the early 2000's seeing basement "waterproofing" systems being sold based upon this. Even today, I'm extremely dubious without a *lot* of retrofitting of both sides of a foundation wall.

  • @electronicsNmore
    @electronicsNmore5 жыл бұрын

    I enjoy your videos because they're very well made and unique, unlike many other channels on YT.

  • @SciCynicalInventing
    @SciCynicalInventing5 жыл бұрын

    *SmarterEveryDay sees this* "DID SOMEONE SAY LAMINAR FLOW?"

  • @PacesIII

    @PacesIII

    5 жыл бұрын

    No. They did not.

  • @clonkex

    @clonkex

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@PacesIII Yes. They did. 12:56

  • @PacesIII

    @PacesIII

    5 жыл бұрын

    Laminar pipe flow situations. I suppose...but this is essentially a sealed system. There's not enough force being exerted fast enough to cause turbulence momentum in the pipe, so mechanical laminar flow inside a closed system. Hydraulics.

  • @arthurmead5341

    @arthurmead5341

    5 жыл бұрын

    That channel blows

  • @hubertcumberdale8175

    @hubertcumberdale8175

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@PacesIII i know this is old but for anyone looking at this, yes what you were aiming to describe is laminar flow. Laminar flow is related to the turbulence, if too turbulent, you can't have laminar. Also a good rule of thumb, if you are not in a pipe, assume you do not have laminar flow unless you have some very good evidence. And hydraulics is purely the study of how fluids move.

  • @ilyadorokhov7827
    @ilyadorokhov78275 жыл бұрын

    Such flow profile distortion also exists for a flow in a packed bed. This is because the packing at the wall is less dense (due to geometry) hence the resistance to the flow is lower.

  • @acruzp
    @acruzp5 жыл бұрын

    You make the coolest things... Also, I truly admire your rate of progress.

  • @volvo09

    @volvo09

    5 жыл бұрын

    Yes, nice craftsmanship indeed! and this was a very interesting property to explore.

  • @acruzp

    @acruzp

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@volvo09 this guys eats subjects for breakfast. Every month he's doing something new and amazing.

  • @kentvandervelden
    @kentvandervelden5 жыл бұрын

    This is a beautiful demonstration with many different directions that one could go with it, to understand and to improve. This is exactly the type of inspiring open-ended demonstrations that should be standard in public schools. Bravo!

  • @TheMattHorton
    @TheMattHorton5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Applied Science! Again, I watch a 21 minute video and learn several things that change the way I think about the universe around me. Amazing stuff!

  • @kyleeames8229
    @kyleeames82295 жыл бұрын

    I didn’t notice the clamp until he took it apart lol.

  • @TheDungineer

    @TheDungineer

    5 жыл бұрын

    Me too! I was like " what's holding today rubber bits on the end?"

  • @Francois_Dupont

    @Francois_Dupont

    5 жыл бұрын

    you blind nigga?

  • @halasimov1362

    @halasimov1362

    5 жыл бұрын

    woah

  • @ajl9491

    @ajl9491

    5 жыл бұрын

    Kyle Eames doooh!

  • @ajl9491

    @ajl9491

    5 жыл бұрын

    Francois Dupontbitch!

  • @bluesquare23
    @bluesquare235 жыл бұрын

    I'm always most impressed in your videos with how you build your own apparatuses. They always look very professional but yet they're so simple.

  • @insightfool
    @insightfool5 жыл бұрын

    This is so great. Really glad to see you experimenting with water research. Something very needed right now.

  • @ksanalyticalsystems2438
    @ksanalyticalsystems24385 жыл бұрын

    Very well done. I particularly appreciate your taking the time to talk about how you built the apparatus. I think this is often intimidating to would-be scientists and showing that it can be done with relatively common tools is great!

  • @Alexander_Sannikov
    @Alexander_Sannikov5 жыл бұрын

    > there's a lot of maths they like to throw at you because it's an academic paper man, when you're finally happy with your LaTeX setup, it's just impossible to stop writing formulas with it! :D

  • @secrecy3915

    @secrecy3915

    3 жыл бұрын

    What's a LaTeX setup? Edit: Nevermind, found resources.

  • @Alexander_Sannikov

    @Alexander_Sannikov

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@secrecy3915 LaTeX setup is the thing that you spend 2 years out of 3 working on your thesis

  • @MakerDent
    @MakerDent5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for posting great videos. I started watching them in high school not understanding or being familiar with what was going on, but they were so interesting. These videos were part of my inspiration to study engineering. Now I see a lot of relevance and familiarity between your videos and my internship, especially in this video. Thanks for taking the time to make great content!

  • @wrOngplan3t
    @wrOngplan3t5 жыл бұрын

    Adding this to "watch later" and then watching the whole thing because it was super interesting! Very well explained too!

  • @mduvigneaud
    @mduvigneaud5 жыл бұрын

    Awesome, Ben! I love your videos.

  • @AntonBabiy
    @AntonBabiy5 жыл бұрын

    Really interesting unique content right here! Always enjoy your videos 🙂

  • @Yenrabbit
    @Yenrabbit5 жыл бұрын

    "I hope you found that interesting"... I sure did! You have a gift for explanation and a knack for finding interesting topics. Thank you for putting so much work into these videos and sharing them with us :)

  • @moothecow7346
    @moothecow73464 жыл бұрын

    Please never stop making videos. I love your content and learn something new every time!

  • @samykamkar
    @samykamkar5 жыл бұрын

    So awesome!

  • @sciencemodelaboratory7298
    @sciencemodelaboratory72985 жыл бұрын

    Nice work

  • @UloPe
    @UloPe5 жыл бұрын

    The explanation for osmosis is actually pretty amazing. Never heard it laid out like that.

  • @mxcollin95
    @mxcollin955 жыл бұрын

    You always come up with really cool and super interesting video ideas! Love how original this channel is. 👍

  • @aetius31
    @aetius315 жыл бұрын

    I wonder what would happen if you replace the glass frit with hydrated SiO2 aerogel (before drying it), as the pores are a few nanometers the flow could be greatly enhanced.

  • @buddhaeaterodsouls

    @buddhaeaterodsouls

    4 жыл бұрын

    Here is a link to a dissertation where they did just that! www.google.com/url?q=pdfs.semanticscholar.org/4f76/fcc7bf921535cd2a8aa61e53a89c767d0a7b.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiZ76XzitPkAhUElawKHVN1AH4QFjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw0ecdPwB0yxwVQt-4kgVPgy

  • @roderickwhitehead
    @roderickwhitehead5 жыл бұрын

    One. Ping. Only.

  • @EwingTaiwan

    @EwingTaiwan

    5 жыл бұрын

    Great, now I can't get Sean Connery's voice outa my head.....

  • @feelx92ger

    @feelx92ger

    5 жыл бұрын

    Washilli!

  • @niccatipay

    @niccatipay

    5 жыл бұрын

    One ping only Vassily. One ping only please.

  • @alphaadhito

    @alphaadhito

    5 жыл бұрын

    I'm glad people knows that reference :)

  • @MaximumBan

    @MaximumBan

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@alphaadhito Missed me!

  • @NedTheDread
    @NedTheDread5 жыл бұрын

    That was the best description of osmosis!! I have the full picture now! Thank you!!

  • @danzuck8936
    @danzuck89365 жыл бұрын

    I use to think that Red October was obsurd, impossible non-sense as to its catapillar pump, but now I see I was wrong. Your presentation was clear, technical, and obviously sound scientifically. Thank you.

  • @spvillano

    @spvillano

    2 ай бұрын

    Japanese researchers did build a submarine with a magnetohydrodynamic drive. Inefficient, beyond slow and eventually, the sub ended up out of the water on static display.

  • @FrankGraffagnino
    @FrankGraffagnino5 жыл бұрын

    I wonder if you can enhance the separation at the walls? LIke having some different electric field there to assist? Not sure if that would mess up the overall flow field though.

  • @Mythricia1988
    @Mythricia19885 жыл бұрын

    Can anyone help me understand how this actually moves the water, and not just the hydrogen? Maybe I'm lacking some elementary understanding, but if the only thing moving across the barrier is hydrogen, then what does it re-combine with on the other side to form water again? This is really cool, I understand the rest of the video for the most part, but I really don't grok the actual chemistry happening at the barrier!

  • @camperkiller3

    @camperkiller3

    5 жыл бұрын

    I don't definitively know the answer, but I am guessing that it's due to the positive charge of the hydrogen cations attracting the negatively charged hydroxide anions. For example, if an imbalance of H+ and OH- occurs then they will attempt to reach equilibrium by moving together. However the H+ cations are blocked from moving back through the filter by the electric field, therefore it is the hydroxide anions that move.

  • @a3xccy379

    @a3xccy379

    5 жыл бұрын

    It's partial seperation of H from OH and since the -ve charge forces the H to move towards it, it drags H along with it making the actual flow.

  • @Electroblud

    @Electroblud

    5 жыл бұрын

    Just commenting because I also wanna know 🤗

  • @leebarnes655

    @leebarnes655

    5 жыл бұрын

    There is no separation in the first place, there is only orientation going on with the hydrogen tail. A true ion does not form. The intact molecule is dragged along by it's tail. As room is made at the positive end for more water, it in turn is orientated and drug along as well. Anions or cations are not involved as in theory they are not formed, but in practice most of the energy used is for that 'side reaction' as explained about woeful efficiency near the end. Also note that there is no barrier in reality, the sintered glass media of the filter is just that much more glass surface area upon which the hydrogen tail is made and used to fuller advantage. Oil forms a similar heads and tails orientation with steel crankshafts for example only there it's the carbon head attracted to the iron molecule since carbon will readily dissolve into molten iron. Silicon loves oxygen like iron loves carbon.

  • @Mythricia1988

    @Mythricia1988

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@leebarnes655 A little over my head still, but thank you - it makes more sense that there's no actual separation and it's just kinda being dragged along. My chemistry is pretty poor so I'm trying to intuit how it works

  • @keystothetruth
    @keystothetruth2 жыл бұрын

    Wow! Mind blown! You've just demonstrated how the Earth pumps fresh water within and throughout! Awesomesauce!

  • @yiyou6529
    @yiyou65295 жыл бұрын

    Somehow, I always get new research ideas through watching your diversed videos. Thx.

  • @Blinkwing
    @Blinkwing5 жыл бұрын

    When it's only about the electric field, why not just isolate the electrodes, maybe even just with a thin layer of insulant? Wouldn't this prevent all the electrolysis-side-effects or am I missing something?

  • @AppliedScience

    @AppliedScience

    5 жыл бұрын

    That is a good point. Some of the current flow is caused by the movement of the water. I saw this when blocking the movement and seeing a change in electrical current. I probably didn't explain (or understand it myself) fully. A true non-conductive fluid or insulated electrodes would not work.

  • @DLSDKING

    @DLSDKING

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@AppliedScience It means this electro-osmosis process is kind of an accelerator but not initiator type of mechanism..

  • @Blinkwing

    @Blinkwing

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the explanation! :) It's probably like the naïve idea one can have to look at two electrolysis cells without providing a means of ion exchange. Definitely a very interesting topic.

  • @mikeguitar9769

    @mikeguitar9769

    5 жыл бұрын

    From wikipedia: "The Coulomb force on a charge of magnitude q at any point in space is equal to the product of the charge and the electric field at that point" F = q E Since the force is dependent on the electric field, not the current (other than the obvious current from the flow of charged particles), theoretically I suppose you could have some kind of EO pump without additional current flow. When charging a supercapacitor for example, there is a very efficient storage of charge and energy even while pumping ions over to the electrodes. However to get continuous flow could require a peristaltic effect, with multiple capacitor plates and alternating voltages.

  • @roboticus3647

    @roboticus3647

    5 жыл бұрын

    If the electrodes were insulated, then the charges would accumulate in a cloud near the electrode. That cloud would essentially shield the rest of the water from the field, so you wouldn't get a good field across the frit filter. When the electrodes aren't insulated, then when the charged ions reached the electrode, then the ion could take or give an electron (depending on which electrode it is), and become neutralized, preventing the accumulation of the shielding cloud of ions near the electrodes.

  • @prawnmikus
    @prawnmikus5 жыл бұрын

    Could you stack these pumps in series to generate enough pressure to build a hydraulic ram with no moving pumps? I also wonder if this is similar to how pumps work across cell membranes to selectively move molecules (but ATP powered). If glucose and oxygen could be selectively pumped out of blood plasma, then they could be combined in a fuel cell to generate electricity inside the body (that would also power the process). Generating power from blood glucose would have an enormous range of uses.

  • @Roufilic-Acid

    @Roufilic-Acid

    4 жыл бұрын

    This or a ring of these like a particle accelerator for water of sorts!

  • @-robo-

    @-robo-

    4 жыл бұрын

    If this worked, might it be used to remove excess glucose from diabetics? Rather than pumping insulin in and creating fat, glucose levels could be measured and controlled.

  • @cloud-dragon
    @cloud-dragon5 жыл бұрын

    Incredible!!! I was looking for a simple & reliable pump and now I've found it!

  • @-robo-

    @-robo-

    4 жыл бұрын

    There are some good air lift pumps out there. Perhaps you have already seen them, but I thought I would mention it just in case.

  • @Ninjahat
    @Ninjahat4 жыл бұрын

    Still love your way of going through really smart stuff in a detailed but yet easy way to understand. Thank you :-)

  • @thombaz
    @thombaz5 жыл бұрын

    It took me a little time to understand you use your ammeter reversed.

  • @dwilliams2068

    @dwilliams2068

    5 жыл бұрын

    Yes, that bothered me. Why not show increasing current as up on the display.

  • @Mindbulletz

    @Mindbulletz

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@dwilliams2068 To be fair, he did show it as up when he switched the power supply polarity and flow direction.

  • @dwilliams2068

    @dwilliams2068

    5 жыл бұрын

    *@Mindbulletz* Yes, I didn't jump on him. Over the years I am sure I did similar things when it was convenient, but only when I or an associate was involved. About being fair, I find very few fair comments on KZread and sadly they are almost all written by folks with an agenda or zero knowledge about the subject. For a while I tried to offer constructive information for those folks but they either respond with another wrong statement, or if they run out of things to say they start calling someone names. You aren't allowed to be helpful on KZread. (Well, you are though.)

  • @potato4dawin1
    @potato4dawin15 жыл бұрын

    could one use this design as a means to electrolyze water while minimizing thermal losses? I believe efficient electrolysis of pure water is a big topic in physics

  • @nyceyes
    @nyceyes5 жыл бұрын

    These lab videos are really something special. Thank you for creating and explaining them. 🤗🌞

  • @TheGayestPersononYouTube
    @TheGayestPersononYouTube5 жыл бұрын

    This is really cool, can’t say I’ve ever seen it on video before. Love the use of the glass frit filter I also saw you supported tom’slab on patreon the other day which is really damn awesome of you so thank you!

  • @ColCurtis
    @ColCurtis5 жыл бұрын

    Awesome explanation of osmosis. If only the H+ move across the filter and the OH- is stuck how does it recombine? Shouldn't it lower the pH on one side and raise on the other.

  • @LukeNimtz

    @LukeNimtz

    5 жыл бұрын

    Curtis, yeah the explanation for how it runs indefinitely didn’t make sense to me either

  • @ttipekul

    @ttipekul

    5 жыл бұрын

    I was wondering something similar. Shouldn't all the space on the glass get taken up by OH- after a bunch of H+ has been pumped across and then the process stop because no more H2O can get close to the glass? Also if the OH- was going to move in any direction shouldn't it be towards the opposite of the H+ because it's attracted to the opposite plate.

  • @jacogomez1093

    @jacogomez1093

    5 жыл бұрын

    Not only the H+ moves through the sintered glass, the quimical bond between H+ and OH- is not broken by the interaction with Si (it only slightly polarizes the H+ aligning the water molecule thus creating a "charged extreme to pull") so when the H passes through the filter the OH goes with it. (BTW sorry for my English).

  • @epigeios
    @epigeios5 жыл бұрын

    I didn't know glass created exclusion zone water. Well, I knew it did a little bit, but I guess a little bit is enough for this. So I suppose a more hydrophilic material would cause stronger pumping. Also, more light input into the active area should additionally cause stronger pumping.

  • @scottdunn5197

    @scottdunn5197

    5 жыл бұрын

    Except that it is creating pos ions not neg.... which gives me an idea

  • @JR-kk6ce
    @JR-kk6ce5 жыл бұрын

    This is such a cool video. There is so much information in it that it will keep me busy for months and months.

  • @spencerdavis4814
    @spencerdavis48145 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting! I had never heard of water reacting with glass like that. Really great demonstration.

  • @robertcalkjr.8325
    @robertcalkjr.83255 жыл бұрын

    Wow, that was cool, Ben! Thanks! I was going to ask about the Micron size of the porous glass membrane. I wonder what the results would be playing with the micron sizes and making them more homogenous?

  • @abraham1O2
    @abraham1O25 жыл бұрын

    With a slow alternating current I wonder if it'd be possible to use the pumping like the pistons in an engine

  • @andrewnambudripad762

    @andrewnambudripad762

    5 жыл бұрын

    Also, fast AC (say, +/- 2kv at a few thousand Hz) would be real interesting to monitor... if the skin effect comes into play, your flow profile will become even stranger...I don't even know where to begin to even simulate this with ANSYS, much less how to experimentally monitor the microfluidic changes, but the dynamics would be fascinating I'm sure

  • @ThePolysyllabist

    @ThePolysyllabist

    5 жыл бұрын

    What a terribly inefficiently eccentric way to build an engine. I love it.

  • @1943vermork
    @1943vermork5 жыл бұрын

    Great Apparatus and video. 17:00 that feeling when my brain figure something and connect the dots. Wish it happens more often.

  • @eduardo_carvajal
    @eduardo_carvajal5 жыл бұрын

    Awesome as always! Thanks for your work!

  • @TrentTationnaiseXization
    @TrentTationnaiseXization5 жыл бұрын

    I'm curious. Can you reverse the concept and produce power? Like a non mechanical turbine.

  • @dylanberger8701

    @dylanberger8701

    3 жыл бұрын

    that’s what he was doing with the sensor, measuring the return current when the flow was applied. he remarked that the efficiency was like .1%, as you need loads of current to send it one way and only microamps of current come from the reverse.

  • @axelbostrom3606
    @axelbostrom36065 жыл бұрын

    this seems like something that could be pretty cool in a PC watercooling loop. Depends on what kinds of pressure you can get as the cooling blocks are fairly restrictive. The pump speed seems quite low too but thats less of a problem

  • @TheAnoniemo

    @TheAnoniemo

    5 жыл бұрын

    Another issue is the high voltage DC you'd need to run it. Can't be easy to get a couple hundred volts and water in something small enough to fit in a pc. And I doubt the flow will be enough, let alone the terrible efficiency...

  • @TheAnoniemo

    @TheAnoniemo

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@stevenutter3614 You can get inaudible sound levels with moving components like good quality low rpm fans on a big heatsink tower without sacrificing much apart from money buying quality components.

  • @vylbird8014

    @vylbird8014

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@TheAnoniemo High-voltage power supplies are actually pretty simple and tiny, if you don't need more than a few mA. Simple voltage multiplier circuit. Think those electric flyswatters - they run off a 9V battery, and produce around 200V from it.

  • @Electroblud

    @Electroblud

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@vylbird8014 That electric flyswatter also produces tons of electrical noise and will probably fry the PC. But with the right filtering, yes. It's not that hard to build tiny high voltage power supplies that produce relatively clean output. His supply is only that big because it's a lab power supply with lots of different settings and other fun stuff that you don't need for a specialised application.

  • @Mythricia1988

    @Mythricia1988

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@Electroblud Tiny power supplies for cold cathode tubes often used in decorating PC's are cheap and easily available, size of a small matchbox, and they generate a pretty respectable voltage - higher than he used in the video I believe. But I don't think they have much current capacity. I have one somewhere, but I don't have anything with which to measure it safely...

  • @eugenes9751
    @eugenes97515 жыл бұрын

    2 videos in 1 week! I feel giddy with excitement!!

  • @vezzosetto
    @vezzosetto4 жыл бұрын

    I like how you have the guts to post a link to sci-hub :)

  • @qwerty2012w
    @qwerty2012w4 жыл бұрын

    “Reverse” osmosis should be called forced osmosis! I never really knew what that meant

  • @AdityaMehendale
    @AdityaMehendale5 жыл бұрын

    When you unplugged it at 4:04, I expected the current to shoot-up (instead of gradually ramping-up) since the back-pressure is instantly gone. Does the slow ramping allude to "gaining momentum" (of water-molecules) in the winding labyrinths in the glass-frit?

  • @AppliedScience

    @AppliedScience

    5 жыл бұрын

    I'm not sure. Your observation is correct -- it would seem the flow rate would rise much quicker than the current did in the video. Someone should do a follow up with a sensitive flow meter, and plot that against current :)

  • @Scientificexploration

    @Scientificexploration

    5 жыл бұрын

    Applied Science what frit coarseness did you use?

  • 5 жыл бұрын

    kzread.info/dash/bejne/rK6Kw8GtiJS1maw.html 19:03 he says his filter has 'particle size' of between 4-5.5 micron

  • @Scientificexploration

    @Scientificexploration

    5 жыл бұрын

    Stefan Krüger would that be the maximum size of a particle that can pass or the glass particle size

  • 5 жыл бұрын

    @@Scientificexploration i guess its the particle size that can pass - that would make more sense to specify for the use-case for filters i think.. - but it is really just a guess

  • @TheDungineer
    @TheDungineer5 жыл бұрын

    Really great stuff as always. I especially enjoyed the explanation of osmosis.

  • @hyqhyp
    @hyqhyp4 жыл бұрын

    Clear and thorough ... as usual. Thanks!

  • @Scientificexploration
    @Scientificexploration5 жыл бұрын

    Conspiracy theorists: is this free energy

  • @RepublikSivizien

    @RepublikSivizien

    5 жыл бұрын

    free oll teh energiez

  • @SuperAWaC

    @SuperAWaC

    5 жыл бұрын

    if only we could harness water propelled by gravity to create electricity

  • @user-qx7tm5df8j

    @user-qx7tm5df8j

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@casperx102 NU SHUT SHURLUCK

  • @lostplshelp

    @lostplshelp

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@casperx102 That's a big *wooosh* right there.

  • @casperx102

    @casperx102

    5 жыл бұрын

    lol ok i do get the joke

  • @Afraithe
    @Afraithe5 жыл бұрын

    Cool! Is this used anywhere in the world for something?

  • @guilhermeaccarini7079

    @guilhermeaccarini7079

    5 жыл бұрын

    Internacional Space station

  • @mvache

    @mvache

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@guilhermeaccarini7079 that's not "the world".

  • @bottlekruiser

    @bottlekruiser

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@mvache define "the world" then

  • @bottlekruiser

    @bottlekruiser

    5 жыл бұрын

    @SaltyBrains en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World First three sentences are three different definitions. Pick one.

  • @AltMarc

    @AltMarc

    5 жыл бұрын

    Isn't it used for water desalination system, that don't need high pressure pumps (bc efficiency) ?

  • @John-ro2yk
    @John-ro2yk4 ай бұрын

    Oh man, at 0:31 you showed the article in Popular Science, that instantly took me back over 50 years. I must have been 9 or 10 at the time and tried to replicate the experimental setup they showed on the subsequent pages of that article. I dragged my Mom all around town, through a half dozen electronics and TV repair shops looking for the exact model transformer they described in the experiment. We never found it, which might have saved me from electrocuting myself. I remember that article though. So cool. Thanks!

  • @ThingEngineer
    @ThingEngineer5 жыл бұрын

    This seems like it would be a great tool in microfluidics. Thank you for sharing this unusual phenomenon.

  • @user-zi8jn1go8k
    @user-zi8jn1go8k5 жыл бұрын

    I don't get it - if water particles split to OH- and H+ why doesn't OH- flow in an opposite direction to H+? how do both of these parts manage to get to the other side?

  • @STONEDay
    @STONEDay5 жыл бұрын

    How can I use this to make a gravity bong?

  • @mikeguitar9769

    @mikeguitar9769

    5 жыл бұрын

    I put my hand over it, but the smoke is still coming out!

  • @infinitesolarforall3901
    @infinitesolarforall39014 жыл бұрын

    You are so eloquent! A true teacher, thank you, I will be experimenting with this!

  • @tacocool1
    @tacocool15 жыл бұрын

    Im definitely glad this video showed up in my suggested videos.

  • @km5405
    @km54055 жыл бұрын

    your channel is simply amazing. all the applications for the things you show, it blows my mind. its why I love applied science after all :>

  • @EnergyGetter
    @EnergyGetter5 жыл бұрын

    It was very interesting and well explained. Also like that you showed how it was created. Well done. Love your channel. Thanks.

  • @Gaark
    @Gaark5 жыл бұрын

    You bloody amaze me man, this is ridiculously interesting

  • @brainfornothing
    @brainfornothing5 жыл бұрын

    Another interesting topic, as always. Thanks for sharing !

  • @KnightsWithoutATable
    @KnightsWithoutATable5 жыл бұрын

    Really nice work on the rig construction for this experiment.

  • @Streamtronics
    @Streamtronics5 жыл бұрын

    wow, I had no idea. Thank you so much for these videos, learning new things every time.

  • @aaron41
    @aaron415 жыл бұрын

    I think it says a lot that a large number of my favorite KZreadrs are all the top comments on your video Ben. Excellent video as always!

  • @harliethomas1378
    @harliethomas13785 жыл бұрын

    What an amazingly beautiful setup you created to demonstrate this. I have been researching the different electrical effects and unique qualities. I am going to look for the video to link a reference to. I would love to see if shining a bright light at the glass filter would change the efficiency by making the layer of hydroxyl ions thicker. I would also be fascinated to see if you pickup a current flow from the 2 electrodes across the sintered glass filter when shining a light source directly on it. Dr Gerald Pollack has shown a continuous pumping effect and also current flow to light an led powered by this layer of H2O3 "gel" layer Oh lastly have you tried the water "bridge" a layer of water across 2 beakers that will extend even to centimeter length by the high voltage potential between the 2 beakers. I am so going to have to duplicate this. Kudos on such great work.

  • @FilterYT
    @FilterYT4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Ben, another awesome video!

  • @brucewilliams6292
    @brucewilliams62925 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the great discussion. I have had to explain how 1000 psig across a leak in a heat exchanger will result in fluid from the low pressure side going into the high pressure side. Next time I'll set up the salt membrane experiment and let the engineers "see" for themselves. Also, I really like seeing the way you made the experiment. Well done as always.

  • @kryptoniterazor
    @kryptoniterazor5 жыл бұрын

    Excellent demonstration! Would love to see more of the fluidics design/machining process - I know everyone is crazy for the 3d-printed ones these days but very I seldom see them in use.

  • @horseman684
    @horseman6844 жыл бұрын

    This the best experimental physics channel Ive seen

  • @shivjikhanath3586
    @shivjikhanath35864 жыл бұрын

    thank you , you teach me more then my engineering college . thanks for thies videos.... you are doing nice job

  • @jomiar309
    @jomiar3095 жыл бұрын

    This is awesome! Thank you for discussing this! I was thinking the other day about those toys with colored oil that drops onto platforms, and I thought it would be really fun to build a large one that goes forever. A pump like this would be perfect, but I'll have to find immiscible fluids other than oils that can be pumped...if fact, if I could just pump the colored part and leave the clear fluid, it would be even better!

  • @Appregator
    @Appregator3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks. Nice build.

  • @fre3bs628
    @fre3bs6285 жыл бұрын

    This is very interesting. At my work we are actually trying to measure the reverse effect like you show in your video. We are interested in the voltage or current that is produced when a flow is introduced in the capillaries of a ceramic membrane. This is called streaming current or streaming potential. I never imagined the reverse was also true. Your video will help us a lot designing a system around this phenomenon!

  • @Grunchy005
    @Grunchy0054 жыл бұрын

    That’s why you’re more accessible than Thunderf00t: no ranting, and you’re not so full of yourself. I really appreciated the explanation of how you built the apparatus, that really brought it down to earth.

  • @TacoDude314
    @TacoDude3145 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting and thorough.

  • @spvillano
    @spvillano2 ай бұрын

    I remember back in the early 2000's, companies were selling (and still are) basement "waterproofing" systems for masonry walled foundation walls. I was and remain more than dubious for such a system in a retrofit on old work, but it likely would be quite effective on new construction. It all comes down to electrode installation and yes, the earth can be used as an electrode, but the efficiency goes even farther down. I discarded the notion for my old house, as our water issue was related to the fact that the back alley used to be a creek bed and the rears of many of our homes were literally part of the floodplain, so when it rained for extended periods, we'd start to get significant seepage of water through the concrete floor and masonry wall. I figured we'd need over 10 times the flow rate of such a device scaled up to handle it and that, plus impurities from the masonry and earth would, well, not be distilled water and chemically complicate the system by a great deal. Basically, it'd be a high electrolyte containing mixture that one's applying a high voltage to, which could turn into a double plus ungood thing in a confined space like a basement. Especially in a house that was so old that it had gas pipes (thankfully, capped off in the basement) running through the walls for old gas lights, as well as knob and tube wiring. On new work, it'd likely work well, although on new work, there'd have been a better path for water to flow provided that was away from the foundation walls and basements when the block was being constructed.

  • @craigs5212
    @craigs52125 жыл бұрын

    Very cool thanks Ben. Would be interesting to know how much the Sodium in the glass contributes to orientation of the neg end of the polar water molecule. I suspect a quartz frit filter with no Sodium would be rather expensive. Also since it's the field that's important, I wonder if the electrodes could be insulated thus eliminating any electrolysis effects. Just don't screw up and try and plug both pipette at the same time at 200V, I want to watch more videos. Craig

  • @philipp3545
    @philipp35455 жыл бұрын

    Love your work 👍

  • @taneliharkonen2463
    @taneliharkonen24635 жыл бұрын

    Amazing! Had no idea such a reaction takes place with water and glass 😮

  • @shyleshsrinivasan5092
    @shyleshsrinivasan50925 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting ! Awesome video !

  • @bernardoa.frontana-uribe1279
    @bernardoa.frontana-uribe12792 жыл бұрын

    Very nice explanation and very useful for my students in this pandemic times where there is no labs available and we as teacher need fo find attractive material for them!! Thanks for your effort to comunicate simply science!

  • @alleycatsphinx
    @alleycatsphinx5 жыл бұрын

    Heyo! Love your channel; highly educational and well presented. I hope you don’t mind a request : I’ve always wanted to make a lighter than air magnetohydrodynamic blimp, but I’ve never had the time (and by time I mean talent.) I bet you could do it!

  • @petkotzvetkov6528
    @petkotzvetkov65285 жыл бұрын

    Great video, I wish you make a videoo on an devided cell for inorganic or organic chemical procesess.. it is a hard topic that many amateur chemists are banging and can not get through and it is becouse of the membrane, the type of it. You ve solved the problem in the traditional way (one can use just unglased porclain also, as ions can pass through it). Great video. My question is - what number Schott filter you use here??

  • @UniCrafter
    @UniCrafter5 жыл бұрын

    Regarding the flow profile, I have noticed one similar to this. I put a 12" x 4ft PVC pipe on the front of a sealed 12" sub, and the airflow seemed to be focused towards the edge. Seemed to be particularly focused at 50Hz, which was the tubes' tuning. High frequency electrical signals may also show similar flow patterns.

  • @dharampg4732
    @dharampg47325 жыл бұрын

    Very informative Video 👍

  • @twlson49
    @twlson494 жыл бұрын

    wow... once again...what a concept that I have never thought of. an electrical field cutting through a magnetic field

  • @63256325N
    @63256325N5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the video.

  • @askquestionstrythings
    @askquestionstrythings5 жыл бұрын

    Fascinating, seems like this would have lots of applications in microfluidic devices.

  • @campbellmorrison8540
    @campbellmorrison85405 жыл бұрын

    Really nice construction :)

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