You forgot GEM on the Atari ST.

@RegisMichelLeclerc

6 күн бұрын

And on PC too... It was the big "Productivity Suite" coming with Amstrad PC 1512, which made it very popular in Europe. SunOS is *not* a graphical environment, it's a pure Unix system, with a lot of BSD in it. The original graphical interface coming with SunOS on their pricey X terminals was called OpenLook (or OpenWindow), and from SunOS 5, you could use another window manager called "CDE" featuring "Motif". Motif was the paradigm also used on the Commodore 64 in GEOS, ported later on PC as PCGEOS and bundled with Commodore PCs for a short time.

@dannyhilarious

4 күн бұрын

@@RegisMichelLeclerc GEM was at its time an especially on the ST range of computers quite a force to be reckoned with. Especially in hires mode it had quite a bunch of reasonable killer pass like Calamus SL, Notator, ProLogic, Cubase, Signum ... Later versions of GEM/TOS featured also Multitasking, SVGA-res, there were even compatible Clones/forks like MagiC, Neo desk etc.

@RegisMichelLeclerc

4 күн бұрын

@@dannyhilarious I know! I remember the time when GEM was competing with Windows 1.0 (and even 2.0) on EGA displays, but that was before the era of the SoundBlaster, and it was mostly productivity tools (word processor, spreadsheet, "Superbase" database and a "Draft" CAD solution). It was pretty successful, at the time. I even wrote a text-mode lookalike in 6502 assembler on Oric Atmos to do file operations on floppies mimicking the TOS, with animated windows, etc... It never left my home, though,

@tonywise198

4 күн бұрын

Yep. GEM was the first I came across. Used it on an old 286 PC doing an Open University course! Came on 5.25" floppys!

Was hoping to see Visi On, Digital Research GEM and Amiga Workbench 2.0

On the Amiga, Workbench is just the graphical file manager. The GUI is is called Intuition and the command line interface was Amiga DOS (not DOS, as in MS-DOS). Amiga DOS was ported from TRIPOS, a would-be Unix competitor, made in Cambridge in tbe U.K. You could replace Workbench all together, and many did. Amiga OS (all of these above elements together) had something that only one other OS, Unix, had at the time: true preemptive multitasking.

@madigorfkgoogle9349

7 күн бұрын

*Amiga OS (all of these above elements together) had something that only one other OS, Unix, had at the time: true preemptive multitasking* no, there were other OSes which had preemptive multitasking in that time, some even true preemptive multitasking that Amiga never had. Im talking about MP/M-86 and Concurrent CP/M-86, ConcurrentDOS later known as DR.DOS, GNU, QDOS on Sinclair QL, MAGIC and MiNT on ATARI ST line, to name some. Amiga DOS has no memory protection so it is not a true preemptive multitasking.

@megol0

7 күн бұрын

Well IBM PC users could install QNX to get that very early on, with the bonus of having a UNIX like setup. Also we had XENIX and a lot of other systems.

@megol0

7 күн бұрын

@@madigorfkgoogle9349 Memory protection have nothing to do with preemptive multitasking. Yes, I'm saying Linus Torvalds can be totally wrong.

@madigorfkgoogle9349

7 күн бұрын

@@megol0 you are totally wrong and Guru who meditates is my witness. Amiga DOS is pseudo preemptive multitasking. The memory protection is a must so the programs cannot rewrite other programs memory addresses. Also if some program crashes only its task is frozen and has to be terminated or reset, all other tasks are still running, this is not how Amiga DOS works. The multitasking on Amiga works only if the programs are following the guidelines (end even then often not), in real preemptive multitasking system any program can be tasked by task manager.

@madigorfkgoogle9349

7 күн бұрын

@@megol0 *Well IBM PC users could install QNX to get that very early on* yes I still have the QNiX floppy somewhere. But I remember QNX being a thing of mid to late 90s. OS+GUI+web browser all booted from a single floppy... Edit: XENIX is UNIX, so in case of XENIX the OP is spot on.

Aww, where's Tandy Deskmate and GEOS

@djopensource

9 күн бұрын

Was deskmate shipped with DOS? No. Only GUIs bundled with OS are mentioned here.

@Exvixcity

9 күн бұрын

​​@@djopensourceDeskMate was shipped with the Tandy 1000 and GEOS was shipped with the Commodore Plus/4 and 128. You have to be aware that not all machines were DOS machines

@madigorfkgoogle9349

8 күн бұрын

@@djopensource you answered my request that the GEM for DOS was just a addon, and here you say you used only GUIs that came bundled with OS, which GEM for DOS was, GEM cannot run without DOS on PC.

@djopensource

8 күн бұрын

@@madigorfkgoogle9349 Correct, Gem was not a standalone, it required dos, and that is why I didn't include it.

@LymanPhillips

8 күн бұрын

I came here expecting GEOS. So sad....

While a product called MouseDesk did exist for 8-bit Apple IIs, the product depicted here is the GS/OS Finder. GS/OS was a full operating system, developed by Apple, and it ran on the Apple IIgs only. It was roughly equivalent to early versions of the Macintosh system software but with slightly better APIs and support for color graphics.

Geos on the C64 and Geos 128 missing (and KDE if you made it to 98). But nice compilation.

@djopensource

8 күн бұрын

I think Geos on the c64 required PRODOS?, that is why I didn't include it. But thank you.

@airborne0x0

8 күн бұрын

@@djopensource No it did not require anything additional.

One very important OS forgotten was OS-9 for the TRS-80 Color Computer. Figures that this was SNUBBED. An updated version is available now.

@djopensource

8 күн бұрын

No, this didn't have a GUI attached. Only OSes with GUIs are mentioned. Thanks.

@neilbrookins8428

2 күн бұрын

@@djopensourceit did have a gui. It was called Multi-Vue. It was created by microware the same company that made os-9.

What happens to Windows 1.0 ?

i remember when i was young, ive always wanted to have those computers. apple was known as macintosh back then.

firdst unix X GUI in the early 80's, first irix in 84, amigaOS, OS/2, Thomson, etc. skipped the important ones and many more on the 70s.

I think you got quite a bit mixed up as others pointed out. One nobody's mentioned is your SunOS 3 video is a CDE desktop which wasn't for Sun3. Your Irix section also has the wrong Irix version. Irix 3 (from 1988) used NeWS, not 4DWM. Irix 4 wasn't released till 1991. Also at the very least you should attribute the video footage you copied from others.

@Jah_Rastafari_ORIG

2 күн бұрын

@imalebowski I was yelling at my phone just as I saw your comment; "That not SunOS! That's CDE on Solaris from like the mid-90s...!"

You also forgot GEOS which was the first 8-bit graphical system for the C64 (not counting Logo of course). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GEOS_(8-bit_operating_system)

i just know GUI must be really hard battle between companies...

Hi, I'm confused about your thumbnail picture for this video. What do you mean by "Os' " ("OS" with that random-looking apostrophe on the end)? It seems that you were trying to make the possessive form but left out the lowercase s (with that being an initial abbreviation) and the thing that would belong to the OS. So which thing that belongs to the old OS with a GUI were you trying to refer to there? In other words, an/the "old OS'[s]..." _what_ "...with a GUI?"

I think the piano keys on the left on the very first machines look interesting and I wonder why they got removed in later computers

I was at Xerox UK in London and worked extensively with the Xerox Star, installing networks and training users. I think the GUI would stand up today as a Linux Desktop Environment (but with the optional addition of colour.

@djopensource

5 күн бұрын

I am fascinated by the Xeror Star.... Write us some more things about your experience.

@daviddunmore7076

5 күн бұрын

@@djopensource There were two versions one with a 10MB Haed disk and the other with a huge (for the time) 29MB hard disk, and they used the fragile 8" floppies.There was sa scripting language called Cusp that you could use to make 'buttons' embedded in a document do various actions. like opening a related document or eyou could even write a script that deleted all the non password prorected files on the machine (or even all machines on the network) Don't try this at work!. The tower case did get warm and vibrate slightly, I once left a cup of milk on one overnight and it was yogurt by morning.

@djopensource

4 күн бұрын

@@daviddunmore7076 If you ever visit Athens I would like an interview and make a video about this machine.

@daviddunmore7076

7 сағат бұрын

@@djopensource I'm not planning to visit Athens this year, but probably will next rear in the spring. Meantime we could maybe do something over Facebook Messenger video chat or zoom.

What was that pad on the left side of the keyboard of the NLS?

No motif?

Atari ST came with GEM had hi Res support that was butter smooth. The regular GEM on a TV or standard monitor was an ugly combination, but the hi Res black and white version the enabler of many application types such as music creation, DTP, word processing at a professional level.

@djopensource

9 күн бұрын

How did I miss the atari st!? Poor work :(

@judewestburner

9 күн бұрын

@@djopensource Nah still good man - thank you for putting it together.

@madigorfkgoogle9349

9 күн бұрын

@@djopensource you missed a lot of systems, like GEM, GEM for DOS, Win1, Win2, GEOS, the AT&T UNIX PC GUI, VisiON, Sharp SX-Window, to name a few just from 80s...

@djopensource

9 күн бұрын

@@madigorfkgoogle9349 No those were all addons, not operating systems with GUIs attached.

@madigorfkgoogle9349

9 күн бұрын

@@djopensource GEM on ST was in the ROM no addon at all, GEOS is not addon. All those UNIX GUI systems you presented (IRIS, Solaris) were addons then as well, as was the Linux GUI. Amiga Workbench not an addon, MSX View, Apple II desktop not an addon, really? Dont see any logic behind your statement.

DeskMate for TRS-80 computers (1984). Windows 1.0 for PC (1985), GEM for DOS/Atari (1985), ICE for Sinclair QL (1985), GEOS for C64 (1986).

@8BitRetroJournal

8 сағат бұрын

PS, I did comparison of mid 80s 16-bit machines titled: Mac vs Amiga vs Atari vs QL. (Nov 2022).

no chapter on the early days of X? 😕

MSX-View was released for the MSX TurboR, which was released in 1990 and not in 1984. Even the predecessor of MSX-View (Halnote) was only released in 1987.

@djopensource

8 күн бұрын

I messed up. Classic.

Unix system vee, haha

What are the advantages of an operating system being oject oriented?

No love for PERQ, VisiOn, Apollo, Medos or Oberon ?

@djopensource

6 күн бұрын

Wow!!! PERQ and Oberon seem awesome and I will include them if I make another video! Thanks! VisiON is a GUI for DOS, not a standalone, therefor not included purposely.

Interesting, thank you.

Where's Windows 1.0 (1985) ?

Where is ATARI TOS/GEM ?

I can’t believe that xerox copied apple… oh wait 😂 as the dishonest jobs once said “good artists copy and great artists steal” 😂

Apollo Domain

are you Greek... very nice video...

GEOS !!!!! Add it.

Where's Plan 9?

@evertonshorts9376

Күн бұрын

In outer space?

Atari ST ToS

this was hard to listen to and easier to click away from. nope nope nope nope

@esseferio

7 күн бұрын

And yet you felt compelled to leave a comment.

@WhatALoadOfTosca

5 күн бұрын

@Jeordie. Funny I was thinking the same about your comment. 😂

Moist