Everyone, it's fine to read books about God, I did that too, but don't stop your Bible reading.

@trapperkcmo3460

4 жыл бұрын

what good does that do? i dont observe anyone understanding it, believing it or following it. why bother?

@lauratempestini5719

4 жыл бұрын

J C B PLEASE PLEASE join me in prayer and declaring that all lying establishment be removed. Especially ESPECIALLY FOR THE DEAR CHILDREN.!!! Learning lies and corruption through falsehood in education, media, movies , music!!! We NEED to protect the innocent and be a voice for them!!!! In YASHIYA’s Name. I have learned this to be HIS NAME!!!! It is NOT Jesus!!!

@sidpan8218

4 жыл бұрын

Laura Tempestini Jesus is the name of God

@sidpan8218

4 жыл бұрын

J C B why do you say judeochristian? What fellowship have Christ with belial? The Talmud blasphemes Christ, jewish values are not equivalent to Christian values

@PrintOfLife

3 жыл бұрын

I agree we must not stop reading the Bible because man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God (Deuteronomy 8:3).

There are many Christians who believe God was wrath in the Old Testament and love in the new one. Yet, if read in context, we can come to the only conclusion that God had always been both love and wrath

@trapperkcmo3460

4 жыл бұрын

"there are many christians." you got that right. Matthew 7:13 wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Matthew 7 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Thank you for your time and work for your videos!

Thank you for uploaded these ancient writings.

The book The Theology of Tertullian notes: “[It was] a curious blend of juristic and philosophic ideas and terms, which enabled Tertullian to set out the trinitarian doctrine in a form which, despite its limitations and imperfections, supplied the framework for the later presentation of the doctrine at the Council of Nicaea.” Hence, Tertullian’s formula-three persons in one divine substance played a major role in the spreading of religious error throughout all of Christendom. His key contribution to Christendom turned out to be a theory upon which later writers built the doctrine of the Trinity.

@Spencer.Henderson

Ай бұрын

It is interesting to note also that tertullian died in montanism and was regarded as a heretic... Some speculate that the Trinity already exists within scripture and can simply be interpreted by reading the new testament and that tertullian didn't merely 'create' the Trinity... It is an iffy subject but to put the basis of the future 'flaw' of the doctrine of the church upon tertullian isn't a reliable concrete subject, as in the end he was opposed to the church and they in some way actually denied him as a heretic. So they disassociated themselves from him and would be less confident in his doctrine.

wow. I am excited to watch all the videos. thank you. 👌🏼👍🏼

great work. thank you

Thank you for this teaching.

like very much thank you and God bless

I have not found any reason, either in my relationship with Jesus or the NT, to change my understanding from what Paul wrote. Which to me glorifies the Father and Son in the proper context. (From whom vs through whom) and (God vs Lord) yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live Did Paul forget to honor the "person" of the Spirit or is the Spirit of God the Fathers very own Spirit? Matt 10:20 ...for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you. Did the Host of Heaven forget to honor the person of the Spirit or is the Spirit of God the Fathers very own Spirit? Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying: "To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!" Does Jesus call the HS His Father? As Mary conceived by the HS. Thats one God the Father and One Lord Jesus Christ with Spirit of God as the Spirit of the One and only true God the Father. The head of the body of Christ states: Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. The head of the body of Christ states: Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God. Therefore to state likewise is to follow His words. So then who is the Jesus ? The firstborn of all creation =the first of Gods works. Jesus is before all things except the Father. Gods firstborn and the firstborn of all things. How then can that Son be the radiance of Gods glory and the exact representation of Gods being if no God is formed after the Father? The fullness was pleased to dwell in Him. (from the will of another) Jesus calls the Father the only true God if He always was and always was God How then does such a statement, not found in the NT, hold to ONE God for Jesus stated on the cross, "Father into your hands I commit my spirit" Now at the appointed time set by the Fathers will a "body" was prepared for Jesus. And the Son who was, His spirit, was in the tent of that body. And as Jesus stated His teaching was not His own but it was the Father living IN Him doing His work. As in these last days God has spoken to us by His Son. And this follows the Septuagint. Therefore, when Christ came into the world, HE said: "Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a "body" you prepared for me; He said =Jesus A body you prepared for me = the Father As a Son, not a God who always was, Jesus inherits ALL things. God does need to inherit anything. All that belongs to the Father also belongs to His Son. but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe And as a Son Jesus received authority. God doesn't need to receive any authority as He is God. About the Son You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy. One might ask in light of these things whose name do we baptize in? Note the word "Son" Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. THEREFORE go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” Is Jesus God? He never dies. Yes, He is all that the Father is. No, He has always been the Son.

@PostApostolicChurch

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for commenting. :) God bless!

@lauratempestini5719

4 жыл бұрын

This is really deep. I am currently learning that we who believe inHIM as it is written are sons and daughters to also do the will of THE FATHER as our brother has. He came so we can be baptized either THE HOLY SPIRIT.!!!

@marychristou6117

4 жыл бұрын

Jesus (Yahusha) was a unitarian exclusivist monotheist beliving the father Ab Yahuah is the only true God Aluah... kzread.info/dash/bejne/o6Jlw7pvqbfIpKw.html

@lifewithMENG

2 жыл бұрын

I am blessed with this, you are speaking truth and this has been my truth also.. since I studied the divinity of God (the Almighty Creator of All eternal and Holy) and the the truth about Trinity. This kind of truth I found. I am blessed that there are believers around who searched for truth and strengthened the faith. I Praise God Almighty for He is leading us to real faith and truth. I thank God for His great love and for giving us Christ Jesus and the Holy Spirit. ❤️

@danlast4259

Ай бұрын

For “God has put everything under His feet.” Now when it says that everything has been put under Him, this clearly does not include the One who put everything under Him. And when all things have been subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will be made subject to Him who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all.

Ignatius doesn't refer to one God in three at all he never calls them God but he does speaks of their unity.

@hcfaz

3 ай бұрын

I'm glad your also caught that.

This is awesome. I was mostly a luke warm protestant until a few months ago i developed a thirst to know. It's leading me to Catholicism because i looked at it with an open mind and decided to figure out what the bible actually says. And here i am enjoying this

DIVINITY SERIES - EPISODE 1 0:00 - Clarification of terminology: 'Divinity' vs 'Trinity' vs 'Godhead' 0:41 - Existing Teachings/Possibilities of the Divinity 1:23 - Clarification of terminology: 'God' vs 'God the Father' vs 'the Divinity' 1:56 - Pre-Nicene writings on the issue 8:00 - Tertullian's 3 Analogies 10:35 - Preview of next 2 videos contents in the series 10:49 - Common Scriptures used by Pre-Nicene Christians concerning Divinity/Trinity

The divine nature is consistant with all its qualities, attributes and charachter of love, holiness, mercy, power, wisdom and justice. These qualities are never compromised. This nature is the nature of the Father and Son and Spirit.

@lancebach

4 жыл бұрын

THESE QUALITIES ARE THE ONENESS OF GOD. JOHN 17 220 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who [j]will believe in Me through their word; 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me. 24 “Father, MARK 3 24 IF A KINGDOM IS DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF, THAT KINGDOM CAN’T SURVIVE; 25 AND IF A HOUSEHOLD IS DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF, THAT HOUSEHOLD CAN’T SURVIVE. 26 SO IF SATAN HAS REBELLED AGAINST HIMSELF AND IS DIVIDED, HE CAN’T SURVIVE EITHER; AND THAT’S THE END OF HIM.

@irishhomedeemob677

4 жыл бұрын

@@lancebach yes these *qualities* are oneness in spirit/disposition, but not oneness in person. Jesus is a seperate person and we also keep our individuality as God is *all in all* Ephesians 4:3-7, 2 Corinthians 3:17

1. Eusebius (c. 260-c. 340) was the Bishop of Caesarea and is known as “the Father of Church History.” Although he wrote prolifically, his most celebrated work is his Ecclesiastical History, a history of the Church from the Apostolic period until his own time. Today it is still the principal work on the history of the Church at that time. Eusebius quotes many verses in his writings, and Matthew 28:19 is one of them. He never quotes it as it appears today in modern Bibles, but always finishes the verse with the words “IN MY NAME.” For example, in Book III of his History, Chapter 5, Section 2, which is about the Jewish persecution of early Christians, we read: But the rest of the apostles, who had been incessantly plotted against with a view to their destruction, and had been driven out of the land of Judea, went unto all nations to preach the Gospel, relying upon the power of Christ, who had said to them, “GO YE AND MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL THE NATIONS IN MY NAME.” Again, in his Oration in Praise of Emperor Constantine, Chapter 16, Section 8, we read: What king or prince in any age of the world, what philosopher, legislator or prophet, in civilized or barbarous lands, has attained so great a height of excellence, I say not after death, but while living still, and full of mighty power, as to fill the ears and tongues of all mankind with the praises of his name? Surely none save our only Saviour has done this, when, after his victory over death, he spoke the word to his followers, and fulfilled it by the event, saying to them, “GO YE AND MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL NATIONS IN MY NAME.” Eusebius was present at the council of Nicaea and was involved in the debates about Arian teaching and whether Christ was God or a creation of God. We feel confident that if the manuscripts he had in front of him read “in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” he would never have quoted it as “in my name.” Thus, we believe that the earliest manuscripts read “IN MY NAME,” and that the phrase was enlarged to reflect the orthodox position as Trinitarian influence spread. 2. If Matthew 28:19 is accurate as it stands in modern versions, then there is no explanation for the apparent disobedience of the apostles, since there is not a single occurrence of them baptizing anyone according to that formula. All the records in the New Testament show that people were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus, just as the text Eusebius was quoting said to do. In other words, the “name of Jesus Christ,” i.e., all that he represents, is the element, or substance, into which people were figuratively “baptized.” “Peter replied, ‘Repent and be baptized, every one of you, IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF YOUR SINS’” (Acts 2:38). “They had simply been baptized into the NAME OF THE LORD JESUS” (Acts 8:16). “So he ordered that they be baptized in the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST” (Acts 10:48). “On hearing this, they were baptized into THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS” (Acts 19:5). We cannot imagine any reason for the Apostles and others in Acts to disobey a command of the risen Christ. To us, it seems clear that Christ said to baptize in his name, and that was what the early Church did. 18 AND JESUS CAME AND SPOKE TO THEM, SAYING, “ALL AUTHORITY HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH.

@lancebach

4 жыл бұрын

@@joobalee5776 I WOULD SAY THIS; THAT THE ELITE HAVE BEEN SO BUSY TRYING TO PROVE THE TRINITY THAT THEY MISSED OUT ON THE ONENESS OF GOD. GOD B LESS YOU MY FRIEND IN CHRIST. PEACE BE WITH YOU.

@derrickasiedu4601

3 жыл бұрын

The disciples baptized those who believe in Jesus' name. Act 19: 5. Acts 2: 38. There is no account when they baptized in the name of "the father, the son and the holy spirit"

@matejmizak7585

Жыл бұрын

You cannot just quote one church father, for we know that Eusebius shortened biblical passages, he writes: God bestowed on him the name above every name, that in the name of Jesus every knee shall bow of things in heaven and on earth and under the earth. However, the full text is: Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; Eusebius is certainly refering to Phil 2:9f, but his writing of it is not a quotation. Text critics don't just look at manuscripts of the text. They also examine quotations of passages in early writers. All quotations of Matthew 28:19 that include the "name" formula have the long version and not the short. Didache 7:1 Concerning baptism, you should baptize this way: After first explaining all things, baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in flowing water Tertullain On Baptism paragraph 13 Go, he says, teach the nations, baptizing them in the Name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost. Tertullian Against Praxeas, chapter 2 says, "After His resurrection ..He commands them to baptize into the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost". Gregory Thaumaturgus (205-265 AD) in A Sectional Confession of Faith, XIII Hippolytus (170-236 AD says in Fragments: Part II.-Dogmatical and Historical.--Against the Heresy of One Noetus, Cyprian (200-258AD) in The Seventh Council of Carthage Under Cyprian and others In total, if we would search only those Fathers prior to Nicea, we would find 24 quotations of Matthew 28:19 using the full formula. There were no quotations amongst these writers with the short version. There were also quotations of the verse where they stopped prior to the list of names (i.e. "he commanded us to teach all nations"). And if we would just think for a moment, the church fathers wanted the trinity formula in Matthew, willfully altered manucsripts of Matthew 28:19, sought out and destroyed all manuscripts of Matthew 28:19 containing the short reading, then went through the writings of the Ante-Nicean Fathers and altered their quotations of Matthew, destroying all other copies and they forgot to rewrite Acts and other places which mention the IN THE NAME OF JESUS, would that make sense? And the context of Matthew seems to be about teaching and baptizing, while the context of other books in the NT is more historical, or more about the salvifical works of Jesus. There technically isnt a passage where the apostles were baptizing and whilst doing that they were saying: I BAPTIZE THEE IN THE NAME OF JESUS OF NAZARETH, we just have mentions of them saying BE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS FOR FORGIVENESS OF YOUR SINS. And since the greek preposition ἐπί commonly translated here as "in" can have multiple meanings, one cannot say what it truly means, it can mean "in the name of" or "by the name of" or unintuitively "on the name of", and also the greek of Matthew 28:19 doesnt have this preposition, it has the preposition εἰς, which is a primary preposition, to or into (indicating the point reached or entered), of place, time, or (figuratively) purpose (result, etc.) And since the passage is, you could say, out of place, that doesnt necessarily mean that it is an interpolation, it could as well mean that it is original.

The fact that he believed the Son to be inferior to the Father can be easily seen in his letter Against Praxeas. In it, he states: Chap. IX. "Thus the Father is distinct from the Son, being greater than the Son." Chap. VII. "And while I recognize the Son, I assert his distinction as second to the Father." Again, ask yourself why was his view of the trinity different from today’s view if it has always been taught by the church? The reason is because it was a developing idea. Tertullian himself gives us the greatest proof of the fact that it was a developing idea in the same letter. He states: Chap. III. vv. 1. "The majority of believers, are STARTLED at the Dispensation (of the Three in One)...They are constantly throwing out against us that we are preachers of two gods and three gods...While the Greeks actually REFUSE to understand the oikonomia, or Dispensation" (of the Three in One). These are incredible statements! Tertullian is acknowledging that the majority of believers did not agree with the Doctrine of the Trinity. They accused him of being a polytheist. The Greeks (either Greek Christians or Christians that spoke Greek in different lands) refused altogether to believe him. These statements are probably the best proofs that the Doctrine of the Trinity was not taught by the Apostles.

@PostApostolicChurch

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for commenting. To understand what Tertullian was talking about, one should understand their whole argument. Many times, writers, like Tertullian, pointed that the Son is inferior to the Father in His role or authority. However, the Son is NOT inferior to the Father in nature or deity (otherwise, they would be two gods instead of one). I've seen that quote before about the "majority of believers." When you look at that in context, Tertullian is not saying that the majority of the believers are monarchian. Instead, he is saying that the simple-minded Christian isn't familiar with how the Trinity works. But the whole Church believed in the Trinity. This can be seen in the fact that there is no Christian writer who preached one God in one Person. Throughout the whole Roman Empire, all the writers preached the same thing as Tertullian. This includes writers before him, like Theophilus, who first coined the term "Trinity" 25 years before Tertullian and on the other side of the Mediterranean. The quote you brought up has been twisted to fit their own beliefs. You can read Tertullian's words here. www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf03.v.ix.iii.html God bless.

@randyw.8781

5 жыл бұрын

@@PostApostolicChurch Why are you looking at Tertullian? The head of the body of Christ "You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

Thank you.

1. Eusebius (c. 260-c. 340) was the Bishop of Caesarea and is known as “the Father of Church History.” Although he wrote prolifically, his most celebrated work is his Ecclesiastical History, a history of the Church from the Apostolic period until his own time. Today it is still the principal work on the history of the Church at that time. Eusebius quotes many verses in his writings, and Matthew 28:19 is one of them. He never quotes it as it appears today in modern Bibles, but always finishes the verse with the words “IN MY NAME.” For example, in Book III of his History, Chapter 5, Section 2, which is about the Jewish persecution of early Christians, we read: But the rest of the apostles, who had been incessantly plotted against with a view to their destruction, and had been driven out of the land of Judea, went unto all nations to preach the Gospel, relying upon the power of Christ, who had said to them, “GO YE AND MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL THE NATIONS IN MY NAME.” Again, in his Oration in Praise of Emperor Constantine, Chapter 16, Section 8, we read: What king or prince in any age of the world, what philosopher, legislator or prophet, in civilized or barbarous lands, has attained so great a height of excellence, I say not after death, but while living still, and full of mighty power, as to fill the ears and tongues of all mankind with the praises of his name? Surely none save our only Saviour has done this, when, after his victory over death, he spoke the word to his followers, and fulfilled it by the event, saying to them, “GO YE AND MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL NATIONS IN MY NAME.” Eusebius was present at the council of Nicaea and was involved in the debates about Arian teaching and whether Christ was God or a creation of God. We feel confident that if the manuscripts he had in front of him read “in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” he would never have quoted it as “in my name.” Thus, we believe that the earliest manuscripts read “IN MY NAME,” and that the phrase was enlarged to reflect the orthodox position as Trinitarian influence spread. 2. If Matthew 28:19 is accurate as it stands in modern versions, then there is no explanation for the apparent disobedience of the apostles, since there is not a single occurrence of them baptizing anyone according to that formula. All the records in the New Testament show that people were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus, just as the text Eusebius was quoting said to do. In other words, the “name of Jesus Christ,” i.e., all that he represents, is the element, or substance, into which people were figuratively “baptized.” “Peter replied, ‘Repent and be baptized, every one of you, IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF YOUR SINS’” (Acts 2:38). “They had simply been baptized into the NAME OF THE LORD JESUS” (Acts 8:16). “So he ordered that they be baptized in the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST” (Acts 10:48). “On hearing this, they were baptized into THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS” (Acts 19:5). We cannot imagine any reason for the Apostles and others in Acts to disobey a command of the risen Christ. To us, it seems clear that Christ said to baptize in his name, and that was what the early Church did. 18 AND JESUS CAME AND SPOKE TO THEM, SAYING, “ALL AUTHORITY HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH.

@lenoregray3788

4 жыл бұрын

Are you Jehovah Witness?

@rainy2090

6 ай бұрын

That is not a Jehovah's Witness teaching ​@@lenoregray3788

@davidscott2809

2 ай бұрын

In who's name was jesus baptised?

Great Series!!!!!!! Thankyou! God Bless!!

God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, Three in ONE! The bible is CLEAR on this Fact.. If you came to a different conclusion while reading the Holy Scriptures, then REREAD THEM...

@77jbyrd

5 жыл бұрын

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@CorpusChristi1971

5 жыл бұрын

Amen 🙏🙏🙏

Isaiah 44:6 (Almighty God speaking) Thus says the LORD, the King and Redeemer of Israel, the LORD of Hosts: "I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God but Me. ----> Revelation 1:8 (Jesus speaking) I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

@brianlucas7604

2 ай бұрын

Rev. 1:8 I am the aleph and the tav says YHWH Elohim. It doesn't say "Jesus said".

An easier way of understanding the Trinity is to go back to the story of creation in Genesis. When God created Adam, He blew the Breath of Life into Adam. When Mary conceived Jesus (a human) through the Holy Spirit, God the Father not only blew the Breath of Life into Jesus, He also blew His very own Spirit - the Spirit Of The Father - into Jesus' human body. So that Jesus was not only human, He was and is the very nature of the Father - fully human and fully God. When you understand that Jesus was fully human yet has the very nature of the Father, it becomes easier to understand passages such as God the Father telling Moses to tell the Israelites that I AM had sent him, and Jesus stating to the Pharisees that, before Abraham was, "I AM". Jesus is the God who led the Israelites out of Egypt.

Thanks for this video ... God bless you

The teaching of the Trinity ' Doctrine ' is Apostasy ; Apostasy was foretold to come . Just because it is earlier , doesnt mean its all right . Also some of these writings likely distorted . Yahweh_is_Love / twitter

The spirit of God is in All.

Furthermore the word TRINITY IS NOT SCRIPTURAL. IT IS ALSO NOT HEBREW. IF THE APOSTLES TAUGHT TRINITY the early church would have been accused of such by the Sanhedrin.

@icxcnika555

4 жыл бұрын

So then are you saying the apostles believed/taught in 3 God's? Father, son and holy spirit ?

@hadleybee9710

4 жыл бұрын

Actually saying what Peter confessed when CHRIST asked him " WHOM SAY YE THAT I AM....Peter answered thou art the CHRIST the Son of the living God. JESUS partook of Divinity as a son partake of his father's nature. A human shares human nature with offspring. JESUS IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. WE are made sons by adoption. JESUS WAS not CREATED He says I PROCEEDED and CAME FORTH from GOD. THESE WORDS IN ORIGINAL REFER TO BIRTH OR AS EVE CAME OUT OF ADAM. THE BIBLE STATES that God worked through HIS SON to CREATE ALL THINGS. SO THE ANSWER IS NO I AM NOT SAYING THAT THE APOSTLES TAUGHT THE THREE GOD TRINITY. QUITE CONTRARY...ONE TRUE AND LIVING GOD AND HE HAS A SON AND BY HIS SON HE CREATED ALL THINGS. GOD HAS A SPIRIT AND IS ABLE TO INDWELL US AS HE AND HIS SON SHARE THIS SPIRIT OR LIFE. IF ANY MAN HAVE NOT THE SPIRIT OF GOD HE IS NONE OF HIS. SHARING THE SPIRIT OF GOD UBITES THE BODY OF BELIEVES TO GOD AND HIS SON AND,EACH OTHER. THE BIBLE NEVER SAYS GOD THE SON OR GOD,THE SPIRIT. ONE GOD AND FATHER OF ALL WHO US ABOVE ALL AND THROUGH ALL AND IN YOU ALL...IS WHAT IT SAYS. ☺🦋

@d23martinson

4 жыл бұрын

Look up the meaning of Elohim it is plural for God

@d23martinson

4 жыл бұрын

@@icxcnika555 The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three separate personalities represented in One God. In the baptism of Christ: Matthew 3:16-17. Here the Father speaks from heaven; the Son is being baptized in the Jordan; and the Spirit descends in the form of a dove.

@Howie47

4 жыл бұрын

They did accuse Jesus of that. "Hear oh Israel, the Lord our God is one God." A misquote which they practice unto this very day. As it is actually, "Hear oh Israel, for the Lord's our God's are one God." A reference to the trinity.

Every Christian should view these videos. They're awesome!

@PostApostolicChurch

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much!!! :D

@ButlerianG-Haddinun

7 жыл бұрын

& every Churchian too!

@priscillajervey6134

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, perhaps if they view these videos they will come to realize where their doctrines derived.

@priscillajervey6134

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, this video was done very well, and it is knowledge every Christian should be made award. BUT one needs discerment when it comes to understanding the difference bertween doctrinal creeds and the holy scriptures (the Word of God). It's very easy to be mislad on many issues if you're never questioned your most basic assumptions. You can be perfectly sincere in your search for the truth, but not be aware how your preconceived ideas are shaped by the thoughts of others. One can have a brilliant mind and be very sincere, nevertheless, sill be wrong. When I look at the trinity, I realize there is nothing there, it is a house of carrds - there is no triune God in the Scriptures. No-one worshiped one, and no-one talked about one. So why are we not only worshiping a triune God ,but making it a central doctrine and requirment of true" Christianity.The trinity arguments are so weak!

@franciscafazzo3460

5 жыл бұрын

@@priscillajervey6134 its a plural divinity. what would you propose. Christ Jesus. equals the Annointed Jehovah . I assert a trinitarian Divinity.

anyone notice, there is no mention of the Holy "mother of god here"? And no mention of praying to Mary or to angels either.........how those catholics keep giving money to rome, a false church is evident of a truly lost group of people

@blake4590

3 жыл бұрын

Richk lowell They believe that when a person that’s part of the body of Christ dies, they are still part of the Body, only difference is they are in heaven. Therefore like you ask a church member to pray to you, you can ask the dead person, who is still part of the Body and in heaven, to carry your supplications to Jesus. I know this is only a small part of the veneration of saints but this is what I’ve heard constantly on this topic. And I’m not saying I believe this necessarily

@annmariebudyn

3 жыл бұрын

Mary is an intercessor. Perhaps you don't understand.

@andys3035

Ай бұрын

The term Mother of God is Christological, meaning the person she carried in her womb was God before, during and after her pregnancy. If you say she is the Mother of Christ, the man only, you fall into the error of Nestorianism.

@smvallet

12 күн бұрын

Except for the fact that it’s not based on biblical teaching and Mary is dead. The dead in Christ will rise at the return of Christ. “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:” ‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭4‬:‭16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Those very early descriptions don't imply a Trinity in my opinion. The oneness expresses their unity.

@PostApostolicChurch

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for commenting. Yes, those descriptions don't imply Trinity nor Monarchianism. But the next two videos in this series on the Divinity addresses those topics. Here is a list of videos in this series. God bless! kzread.info/head/PLKXGJjRU-bTXeBBZSNZH8VHyJVR6dACc-

@lauratempestini5719

4 жыл бұрын

Post-Apostolic Church lease tell if you know .... why the lie of the trinity????

@mountainseeker2844

Жыл бұрын

Exactlyyyyy, they were battling talmudic jews attempting to take away believers in Christ in that time (and still today). They were trying to make it clear that you cannot be following God if you do not follow the son, who is the Christ foretold to come and has come.

@UniteAgainstEvil

Жыл бұрын

​@@lauratempestini5719 why do you think the trinity is a lie?

@lauratempestini5719

Жыл бұрын

@@UniteAgainstEvil I will gather my information. I did not take proper study notes.

1 John 5:7 In Isaac Newton's writings he gave much attention to the doctrine of the Trinity. Using early Church writers, the Greek and Latin manuscripts and the testimony of the first versions of the Bible, Newton proved that the words “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one,” in support of the Trinity doctrine, did not appear in the original Greek Scriptures. He then traced the way in which the spurious reading crept into the Latin versions, first as a marginal note, and later into the text itself. He showed that it was first taken into a Greek text in 1515 by Cardinal Ximenes on the strength of a late Greek manuscript corrected from the Latin. You have Cyprian writing the corrupted text in 250 A.D. According to Newton it was first taken into a Greek text in 1515 A.D. It appears the Trinitarians got the idea of adding this text from Cyprian into their Latin translation and then supposedly correcting a Greek manuscript they were copying with the corrupted Latin text.

@PostApostolicChurch

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for commenting. You are correct about that phrase in 1John 5:7. There is no evidence that this phrase existed before 350 AD. I'm glad most English translations do not include it. God bless you!

Faith comes by hearing the Word of God. Not reading it, although of course reading the bible is essential. How can you do Gods will if you do not know it?. However a video like this one, purposely avoiding dogma, is a good way "hear" (audibly), understand or at least contemplate the on the word more fully. The writings referenced to by authors whose name I can barely pronounce elevate my faith because many of the concepts have occurred to me before, and hearing it spoken makes me all the more sure I am on the right track. In that respect, this video is of great value to me, and I intend to watch as many as possible. I am an old sinner(64) saved by grace. Loved God all my life, taught in the Catholic tradition. Young people with no spiritual direction, these are good vids to acquaint you with the desire and nature of God. First being yes He most certainly exists. Start with that.

What did Peter have to say about the Mt. of Transfigeration experience: "For He (Jesus) received honor and glory FROM God the Fahter when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, 'This is my son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased' WE OURSELVES heard THIS voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain" 2 Peter 1:17-18

@ismaelbravo3571

4 жыл бұрын

There’s another problem whit this particular verse , this verse was found written in the walls of one of the smaller pyramids in Egypt and dates back 1200 b,c so who can explain cause is getting interesting.

Thank you so much for sharing these insights into the post-apostolic church. Most engaging & enlightening.

@PostApostolicChurch

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@lancebach

4 жыл бұрын

1. Eusebius (c. 260-c. 340) was the Bishop of Caesarea and is known as “the Father of Church History.” Although he wrote prolifically, his most celebrated work is his Ecclesiastical History, a history of the Church from the Apostolic period until his own time. Today it is still the principal work on the history of the Church at that time. Eusebius quotes many verses in his writings, and Matthew 28:19 is one of them. He never quotes it as it appears today in modern Bibles, but always finishes the verse with the words “IN MY NAME.” For example, in Book III of his History, Chapter 5, Section 2, which is about the Jewish persecution of early Christians, we read: But the rest of the apostles, who had been incessantly plotted against with a view to their destruction, and had been driven out of the land of Judea, went unto all nations to preach the Gospel, relying upon the power of Christ, who had said to them, “GO YE AND MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL THE NATIONS IN MY NAME.” Again, in his Oration in Praise of Emperor Constantine, Chapter 16, Section 8, we read: What king or prince in any age of the world, what philosopher, legislator or prophet, in civilized or barbarous lands, has attained so great a height of excellence, I say not after death, but while living still, and full of mighty power, as to fill the ears and tongues of all mankind with the praises of his name? Surely none save our only Saviour has done this, when, after his victory over death, he spoke the word to his followers, and fulfilled it by the event, saying to them, “GO YE AND MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL NATIONS IN MY NAME.” Eusebius was present at the council of Nicaea and was involved in the debates about Arian teaching and whether Christ was God or a creation of God. We feel confident that if the manuscripts he had in front of him read “in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” he would never have quoted it as “in my name.” Thus, we believe that the earliest manuscripts read “IN MY NAME,” and that the phrase was enlarged to reflect the orthodox position as Trinitarian influence spread. 2. If Matthew 28:19 is accurate as it stands in modern versions, then there is no explanation for the apparent disobedience of the apostles, since there is not a single occurrence of them baptizing anyone according to that formula. All the records in the New Testament show that people were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus, just as the text Eusebius was quoting said to do. In other words, the “name of Jesus Christ,” i.e., all that he represents, is the element, or substance, into which people were figuratively “baptized.” “Peter replied, ‘Repent and be baptized, every one of you, IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF YOUR SINS’” (Acts 2:38). “They had simply been baptized into the NAME OF THE LORD JESUS” (Acts 8:16). “So he ordered that they be baptized in the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST” (Acts 10:48). “On hearing this, they were baptized into THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS” (Acts 19:5). We cannot imagine any reason for the Apostles and others in Acts to disobey a command of the risen Christ. To us, it seems clear that Christ said to baptize in his name, and that was what the early Church did. 18 AND JESUS CAME AND SPOKE TO THEM, SAYING, “ALL AUTHORITY HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH.

What did those who were students of the Apostles teach?

I agree with Ireneous 🔥🙏🏾one God the Father is declared who is above all and through all and in all The Father is 8ndeed above all and he is the Head of Christ ….but the Word is through all things and is Himsekf the Head of the church while the Spirit is in us all❤️🔥💜🙏🏾

@MarkJohnson-dr4ws

5 ай бұрын

🤔

Nice

Departure from reason usually ends with the disclaimer that explanation is futile because God, being infinte, is "beyond" human comprehension. Deut. 29:29 the "things revealed" about the relationshiip between God and His Son are intrisic to His logos, that is, "things" that are comprehensible. the Greek word apokalupis, translated "revelationl" means the "unveiling" of what was previously hidden from human understanding. Things revelaed are things that believers can understnad and assimilate into their lives.

John 14:9 King James Version (KJV) 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? John 20:28 King James Version (KJV) 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Isaiah 9:6-21 King James Version (KJV) 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

@triciasklodowske5653

4 жыл бұрын

Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.. Being the "firstborn" mean's He had a start. God has alway's been. No start or end. God can NOT die. So if Jesus was God then He didn't die on the cross.

@drooge42

4 жыл бұрын

@@triciasklodowske5653 his flesh had a start he IS the father spirt in a tabernakel of flesh

@Thedisciplemike

3 жыл бұрын

@@drooge42 your reasoning concludes that the Son is the Father, which we know is not true

@anthonymaggio1530

3 жыл бұрын

@@Thedisciplemike Isaiah 9:6 declares the Son to be the everlasting Father

@Thedisciplemike

3 жыл бұрын

@@anthonymaggio1530 lol no it doesn't

Love it. Please send me. PRE NICENE CHRIATIANITY

Question: How is the word "economy" being used in these quotes? I can't find a meaning other than the one commonly used.

@etienner5659

4 жыл бұрын

Economy in ancient Greek means "the norm of the house"

@tanda1206

4 жыл бұрын

@@etienner5659 Thank you so much.

THE LORD’S DAY IS NOT THE SUN’S - DAY BUT """ THE SON’S -DAY """ PSALM 2 12 KISS THE SON, LEST HE BE ANGRY, AND YOU PERISH IN THE WAY, FOR HIS WRATH IS QUICKLY KINDLED. BLESSED ARE ALL WHO TAKE REFUGE IN HIM. HOW OR WHEN HAVE WE KISSED THE SON? WE ASK. MATTHEW 25 40 “THE KING - [THE SON] - WILL REPLY, ‘TRULY I TELL YOU, WHATEVER YOU DID FOR ONE OF THE LEAST OF THESE BROTHERS AND SISTERS OF MINE, YOU DID FOR ME.’ “- YES! - YOU HAVE KISSED THE SON -” JEREMIAH 22 16 HE TOOK UP THE CAUSE OF THE POOR AND NEEDY, AND SO IT WENT WELL. IS THIS NOT WHAT IT MEANS TO KNOW ME?” DECLARES THE LORD. JOHN 4 24 GOD IS A SPIRIT: = [ONE SPIRIT] AND THEY THAT WORSHIP HIM MUST WORSHIP HIM IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH. [“ - HOWEVER - ”] ! BEWARE OF KISSING IDOLS SUCH AS - !THE TRINITY! AND OTHER MAN MADE IDOLS. ACTS 17 29 - FOR AS MUCH THEN AS WE ARE THE OFFSPRING OF GOD, WE OUGHT NOT TO THINK THAT THE GODHEAD IS LIKE UNTO GOLD, OR SILVER, OR STONE, GRAVEN BY ART AND MAN'S DEVICE. FALSE IMAGES OF THE LORD IS A DISTRACTION FROM THE LORD. KINGS 19: 18 YET I HAVE PRESERVED SEVEN THOUSAND IN ISRAEL “WHOSE KNEES HAVE NOT BOWED TO BAAL AND WHOSE MOUTH HAS NOT KISSED HIM.” KISS THE SON - BUT """NOT THE SUN """

@bekimbal9658

4 жыл бұрын

The modern English words for Saturday and Sunday come from the ancient Pagan Latin words Saturni(Saturn's day) and Solis (Sun day). The modern Italian word for Saturday is Sabato, which is a variation of the Hebrew word Shabbat or Sabbath day. The Italian word for Sunday is Domenica which literally means "the Lord's Day" or the day of the Lord's resurrection. Constitutions of the Holy Apostles Book II, Chapter LIX quote: “Be not careless of yourselves, neither deprive your Saviour of His own members, neither divide His body nor disperse His members, neither prefer the occasions of this life to the word of God; but assemble yourselves together every day, morning and evening, singing psalms and praying in the Lord’s house: in the morning saying the sixty-second Psalm, and in the evening the hundred and fortieth, but principally on the Sabbath-day(Saturday). And on the day of our Lord’s resurrection, which is the Lord’s day, (Sunday) meet more diligently, sending praise to God that made the universe by Jesus, and sent Him to us, and condescended to let Him suffer, and raised Him from the dead." Constitutions of the Holy Apostles: XXXIII. "I Peter and Paul do make the following constitutions. Let the slaves work five days; but on the Sabbath-day and the Lord’s day let them have leisure to go to church for instruction in piety. We have said that the Sabbath is on account of the creation, and the Lord’s day of the resurrection. Let slaves rest from their work all the great week, and that which follows it-for the one in memory of the passion, and the other of the resurrection; and there is need they should be instructed who it is that suffered and rose again, and who it is permitted Him to suffer, and raised Him again." Council of Laodicea, AD 364, on the outlawing of the observance of the Sabbath day in the Catholic Church, Canon 29: “Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath(Saturday), but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day(Sunday); and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ. “

Philo of Alexandria, an early christian convert, a Jewish Greek philosopher and a Platonist, introduced the concept of Trinity in the Christian Church. His student, Theophilus, modified the Concept of Trinity. It was Tertullian who defined and harmonized the Trinity Concept as it is now. Saint Athanasius, institutionalized the doctrine of Trinity after the Council of Nicea in 325 AD. adopted it as a doctrine of the Catholic Church

the formal prohibition at the great Church Council of Elyrus in A.D. 303, when it was declared that "the form of God, which is immaterial and invisible, shall not be limited by figure or shape." In 692, the council of Constantinople had similarly prohibited "to paint or represent Jesus as a lamb," as also "to bow the knee in praying, as it is the act of idolatry." But the council of Nicaea (787) brought this idolatry back, while that of Rome (883) excommunicated John, the Patriarch of Constantinople, for his showing himself a declared enemy of image worship. Ref,,,,The Secret Doctrine Vol 2 Page 279.

*peculiar ~ At @8:58 - 9 you said 'particular' but the script says peculiar. Which is correct?

@PostApostolicChurch

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for pointing that out. I mispoke! I'm glad I put the words on the screen because they are correct.

@RollOut82

3 жыл бұрын

@@PostApostolicChurch thanks for the clarification, I was wondering the same question (as "jane a sinner")

The folly and hubris of trying to comprehend God. Perhaps if we keep on trying for yet another 6000 years, we will get closer.

I'm reading book "early Christianity" for Thursday night biblefires. on youtube. last week, was first week and read "martyrdom of Polycarp". I think the martyr's are a good place for medium level Christians to begin their understanding of the church. Like Tolstoy being influenced by the Hussites. Pacifism is not to be trifled with.

@ButlerianG-Haddinun

7 жыл бұрын

flyingaxblade channel

Hello Sir What are your thoughts on Hebrews ch 1 v 4 ?

@PostApostolicChurch

4 ай бұрын

Thank you for asking. I wrote a commentary on Hebrews that I used to teach a Bible class. I'll put my thoughts here... Rank is higher. (1) Some translations have “higher in rank” here. I do not know why is says "rank." The Greek says, “so much greater.” This is the same Greek word used in this study’s introduction. The point of Hebrews is that Jesus is GREATER. Here, the author says He is “so much greater” than the angels! (2) An interesting verb is used here. Hebrews says that Jesus “became” greater than the angels. Wasn’t Jesus always greater than the angels? Yes, I believe He was! What is it about Jesus which caused Him to become greater than angels-in a way that He wasn’t greater before? Based on the things Hebrews said before, Jesus would have become greater than the angels in how He created the universe (and the angels didn’t) or being appointed to inherit everything at His resurrection (and the angels didn’t) or making purification for sins (which angels can never ever do). Any of those ways prove that Jesus became greater than mere angels. After all, as we see in the next phrase about Jesus’ name, there are aspects in which Jesus was and had always been greater than angels. Name is superior. This aspect of why Jesus is greater is the main point of this chapter. Jesus is greater than angels because Jesus is a Son and an Heir. It is His inheritance from Father God that makes Him greater than the angels. As Hebrews will show by quoting the Old Testament, Jesus is the Son of God, and none of the angels were ever sons in a real sense. Jesus is a Son in a real sense.

@steveniesielowski

4 ай бұрын

@PostApostolicChurch thank you Sir For such an in depth reply I am enjoying your studies Are you Greek Orthodoxy?

@PostApostolicChurch

4 ай бұрын

@@steveniesielowski Thank you! No, I am not Orthodox. But I have a great deal of respect for the Orthodox Churches.

@steveniesielowski

4 ай бұрын

@PostApostolicChurch you are welcome Sir Thanks for sharing and Lord bless

If Jesus is not God in the flesh then we Christians are breaking and ignoring the first commandment of God. Also, if He is just an image of God and not God in flesh then the 2nd Commandment is ignored.

@PostApostolicChurch

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for commenting, Tamara! What you said is very good. Is there something in the video that said Jesus is not God in the flesh?

Cyprian quotes the Johannine Comma, found in the Byzantine Manuscripts, or called the “Majority Text”. Pretty fascinating & this was dated in 250 AD. So we have evidence that some of the early church favored manuscripts that seemed to have what is found in the Majority Text. Thoughts?

@PostApostolicChurch

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for commenting. You are correct. On the side, I'm going through differences between the Byzantine and Alexandrian families. I'm looking to see how the Pre-Nicene Christians quoted them. For example, the first difference is in Matt 1:25. The Byzantine manuscripts say that Jesus was Mary's firstborn son. The Alexandrian manuscripts leave out "firstborn." So I looked at how the Pre-Nicene Christians quoted Matt 1:25. Some included firstborn and some left it out. As I continued looking at quotations, so far my conclusion is that the Pre-Nicene Christians did not favor one manuscript family over another. I don't think one family is superior to the other. What we know for sure is that the differences between Byzantine and Alexandrian existed during the Pre-Nicene period. God bless you!

I love Tertullian's illustration about the Son being the rays coming from the Sun, the Father. Or the river flowing from the spring. It demonstrates so very well how both Father and Son can be eternal, even if the Son comes from the Father.

@Stloudakik

5 жыл бұрын

The best I've ever heard and understood

@PostApostolicChurch

5 жыл бұрын

I like the analogy of the spring/river. There is also the analogy of the roots/trunk/fruit of a tree. :)

@randyw.8781

5 жыл бұрын

Duke, I like the one given in Revelation. Jesus is the lamp and the light that shines outward from in the lamp is the Father. The fullness was pleased to dwell in Him.

@d23martinson

4 жыл бұрын

The Son has always been and always will be, just as the Father has always been and always will be.

God will never be a they.

To be sure Christian sects and denominations differ. Sometimes even on primary issues. What sets Christianity apart then is that we have the revealed word of God by which believers are to test all things. This revelation is unique in its transmission through history via thousands of surviving manuscripts which are seperated by time and geography and is affirmed by the early writings of the church fathers. I agree that Christian sects differ but we can stand firm on God's word and with his spirit identify the truth.

@PostApostolicChurch

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for commenting. Well said!

After working through this group’s excellent presentation “Septuagint Series” which was really well supported and reasoned by the way … I then starting working through their “Divinity Series” and was quickly DISAPPOINTED. This poorly researched series should have been titled … “Divinity Series (supports for ignoring a plain reading of scripture)”. An UNBIBLICAL Roman Catholic Trinitarian bias is introduced from the outset in this first video. Statements by the Pre-Nicene Church Fathers (who appear to have differing understandings of Gods nature) are taken out of context and loaded with extra meaning. Most of these same Church fathers, elsewhere in their writings, clearly have a monotheistic view of God and a subordinate view of His Son Jesus. See the sources below. Later Trinitarian bias and man-centered reasoning is applied to the writings of the Church Fathers and to scripture giving us something else. Wherever the bible describes the simple unity of action or agreement between Father, Son, and Spirit … a form of Gnosticism or hidden knowledge in the form of the mysterious Roman Catholic trinity is added in. This isn’t bible folks! I was a Trinitarian for 40 years before I finally decided to put aside my indoctrinated man-made Trinitarian filter and do an in-depth study of the scriptures and Pre-Nicene Church fathers. What started this for me was trying to GENUINELY prove the Trinity to a new Christian convert (who left their family and Islam for Christianity). “The Trinity is a mystery, so just accept it” was never going to cut it for them. NOR SHOULD IT. We are not called to serve a God of confusion! I fairly quickly came to the position that my understanding of the nature of God was quite wrong (that was 7 years ago, and I am more than ever convinced of the biblical monotheistic presentation of Almighty God, and now have a corrected biblical understanding of both Jesus and the Holy Spirit). To my amazement, many of the confusing bible verses (Old and New Testaments) were no longer confusing when adhering to the bible’s strictly monotheistic teaching of Almighty God. This same monotheistic understanding has always been held by Jesus, the Apostles, the OT prophets, and YES - a decent majority of Pre-Nicene Church Fathers. BE WARY OF THE TRINITARIAN BIAS IN THIS SET OF TEACHINGS. Check your bible and go read more writings from these early Church Fathers. The presenter inventively uses a new term “The Divinity” as a vehicle to read in Trinity bias and then load statements from early church fathers as them being supportive of the LATER man-invented Trinity. "The Divinity" is his “straw-man” in all of this is (sounds a bit Gnostic or even pantheistic to me) … He goes on to say we need a better way of explaining “The Divinity” - a bait and switch for “God” used everywhere in the bible. STOP ... we need a right understanding of “Almighty God” the Father, Jesus his son, the Holy Spirit, and also the other usages of the word “god” BASED ON SCRIPTURE ALONE ... NOT this man-centered reasoning / interpretations of quite selective writings of later church Fathers who are clearly not in full agreement among themselves (in quite a few ways). Many of these same Church Fathers ALSO say things that are very monotheistic if you further explore their writings. One good place to start is with Sean Finnegan’s presentation “The Trinity before Nicea - 7 Early Theologians” (tinyurl.com/bddap4vz) who talks of some the above church Fathers. Another excellent in-depth exploration of what many early Church Fathers really understood about the “nature of God” is given here … tinyurl.com/59cxrxfd ... An excellent resource is provided by the ministry “Restitutio - Restoring Authentic Christianity” with their comprehensive teaching series on “Early Church History” (tinyurl.com/4uv4nx54).

I believe Arranius, who spoke for most Christians of the time, that there is only one. no three.

@Pope.juicee

3 жыл бұрын

Heretic

in Matthew 28:19 The Father, Son and Holy Spirit have the same ONE name. Alot of people miss that.

Diversity Trinity in Unity. ONENESS

Dionysius, third-century bishop of Alexandria, wrote a treatise against millennialism, and, in order to prevent those who adhered to this opinion from basing their belief on the Revelation of John.

Godhead was used much earlier than 1390, it is used in the Bible.

@PostApostolicChurch

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for commenting. I must admit: I believe the same thing you said, until I did some research. While some translations have put "Godhead" into the Bible, that is not the Greek word that is used there. When I researched the first time "Godhead" appeared, it first appeared with John Wycliffe.

All you, who do not believe in the Trinity, please contemplate on Ef 4,30: “And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, in whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.” An energy cannot be grieved, nor should be named “whom” in the Bible. So who is the Holy Spirit?

@hadleybee9710

4 жыл бұрын

G. Mancus consider the title itself...son means one born of a father Father means the one who brought forth a child...Spirit Refers to a different aspect for which we are not so well equipped to speak except through BIBLICAL examples and perhaps exorcism where Spirits of devil's are cast out of individuals. Hence we can understand the Spirit to be OF AN entity and can bring unity or division as Jesus said Ye know not what Spirit YE ARE OF PERHAPS we can say the Spirit is the mind of God which THE FATHER AND SON SHARE..THE LIFE which they offer to beget life in us who believe. Making us a new CREATION. However the trinity doctrine does not allow for true Fatherhood of God or of the Death of CHRIST.

@reallibertarian8447

4 жыл бұрын

Realize that God and Jesus are one. God entered humanity as Jesus, taught us to live as his children and to follow his example. He went back to heave as a savior and as a King of all. There is no trinity. It has always been God and he sacrificed his body to save us.

and it's not candid form your side to ignore Arius vision even if you disageree with him you must be honest and show people all the pre-nicean christian views

I would like to share some from Irenaeus, ima reply back to myself each quote This is the rule of our faith, the foundation of the building, and what gives support to our behavior. God the Father uncreated, who is uncontained, invisible, one God, creator of the universe; this is the first article of our faith. And the second is: The Word of God, the Son of God, our Lord Jesus Christ, who appeared to the prophets according to their way of prophesying and according to the dispensation of the Father. Through him all things were created. Furthermore, in the fullness of time, in order to gather all things to himself, he became a human being amongst human beings, capable of being seen and touched, to destroy death, bring life, and restore fellowship between God and humanity. And the third article is: The Holy Spirit, through whom the prophets prophesied, and our forebears learned of God and the righteous were led in the paths of justice, and who, in the fullness of time, was poured out in a new way on our human nature in order to renew humanity throughout the entire world in the sight of God.

@Yud_Trinitarian

4 жыл бұрын

"The Church, though scattered throughout the whole world, even to the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and their disciples this faith: One God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven, and earth , and the sea, and all things that are in them; and in one Christ Jesus, the Son of God, who became incarnate for our salvation, and in the Holy Spirit, who proclaimed through the prophets the administrations of God, and the advents, and the birth from a virgin, and the passion, and the resurrection from the dead, and the ascension into heaven in the flesh of the beloved Christ Jesus, our Lord, and his appearing from heaven in the glory of the Father "to gather all things in one," and to raise up anew all flesh of the entire human race, in order that to Christ Jesus, our Lord, and God, and Savior, and King, according to the will of the invisible Father, "every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth, and that every tongue should confess" to him, and that he should execute righteous judgment toward all, that he may send "spiritual wickednesses," and the angels who transgressed and became apostates, together with the ungodly, and unrighteous, and wicked, and profane among men, into everlasting fire, but may, in the exercise of his grace, confer immortality on the righteous, and holy, and those who have kept his commands, and have persevered in his love, some from the beginning, and others from their repentance, and may surround them with everlasting glory. As I have already indicated, the Church, having received this preaching and this faith, although scattered throughout the whole world, yet, as if inhabiting but one house, carefully guards it. She also believes these points just as if she had but one soul, and one and the same heart, and she proclaims them, and teaches them, and hands them down, with perfect harmony, as if she possessed only one mouth. For, although the languages of the world are dissimilar, yet the import of the tradition is one and the same. For the Churches which have been planted in Germany do not believe or hand down anything different, nor do those in Spain, nor those in Gaul, nor those in the East, nor those in Egypt, nor those in Libya, nor those which have been established in the central regions of the world....It does not follow because men are gifted with greater and less degrees of intellect, that they should therefore change this theme itself, and should conceive of some other God besides Him who is the Framer, Maker, and Preserver of this universe, as if He were not enough for them, or of another Christ or another only begotten.... the catholic church possesses one and the same faith throughout the whole world. (I,10,1).

@Yud_Trinitarian

4 жыл бұрын

"There is One God Alone, the Creator, He who is above every principality, and power, and dominion, and virtue: He is the Father, He is God, He the Founder, He the Maker, He the Creator, who made those things by Himself, that is, through His Word and His Wisdom, heaven and earth, and the seas, and all things that are in them. He is just, He is good. He it is who formed man, who planted paradise, who made the world, who gave rise to the flood, who saved Noah. He is the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, the God of the living. He it is whom the law proclaims, whom the prophets preach, whom Christ reveals, whom the apostles make known to us, and in whom the Church believes. He IS the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, through His Word, who is His Son, through him He is revealed and manifested to all to whom He is revealed. For those know Him to whom the Son has revealed Him. But the Son, eternally co-existing with the Father, from of old, yea, from the beginning, always reveals the Father to Angels, Archangels, Powers, Virtues, and all to whom he wills that God should be revealed. (Against HeresiesII, 30).

@Yud_Trinitarian

4 жыл бұрын

"For with Him were always present the Word and Wisdom, the Son and the Spirit, by whom and in whom, freely and spontaneously, He made all things, to whom also He speaks, saying, “Let Us make man after Our image and likeness." (IV,20,1) Indeed, then, the Scripture declared, which says, "First of all believe that there is One God, who has established all things, and finished them, and having caused that from what had no being, all things should come into existence." He who contains all things, and is Himself contained by no one. Rightly also has Malachi said among the prophets, "Is it not One God who established us? Have we not all One Father?" Corresponding to this, too, does the apostle say, "There is One God, the Father, who is above all, and in us all.".... the Word, namely the Son, was always with the Father; and that Wisdom also, which is the Spirit, was present with Him, anterior to all creation.... There is therefore One God, who by the Word and Wisdom created and arranged all things.... But as He who works out all things in all is God, of what nature and how great He is, is invisible and indescribable to all things which have been made by Him, but He is by no means unknown, for all things learn through His Word that there is One God the Father, who contains all things, and who grants existence to all, as is written in the Gospel: "No man hath seen God at any time, except the only-begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father; He has declared [Him.]" (Book IV, 20,2). Herein and in the previous posts in this, we have an articulation of a SECOND CENTURY WRITER, Irenaeus of Lyons, writing around 180 AD, who is clearly teaching the Doctrine of the Trinity. He teaches the ONENESS OF GOD, and the existence of THREE DISTINCT PERSONS, each of whom he calls "God". He does NOT teach a Modalistic view of God, nor an Arian view of God. He affirms the Deity of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, and affirms the DISTINCTIONS between the Persons, while FIRMLY AND ADAMANTLY proclaiming ONE AND ONLY ONE GOD! This is the Doctrine of the Trinity proclaimed in the 2nd Century!

The gature of nod...

Someone help me with "we will share the nature of God" please

@PostApostolicChurch

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for commenting. The Pre-Nicene Christians believed that, at the resurrection of all people, the righteous will be changed. They will gain some of the attributes of the divine God. This includes attributes like immorality, never again being susceptible to sicknesses or sin, and being able to live in Father God's presence. The best place to get an understanding of this is 1Corinthians 15. In that chapter, Paul talks a lot about this transformation, which will happen at the resurrection of all people. If you have any other questions about this, feel free to ask away. God bless you!

@prov25two66

3 жыл бұрын

@@PostApostolicChurch THANK YOU SO MUCH!

God became a Father when he begat the Son, who was prior to that the Word and after that the Word made Flesh. Jesus had to leave Earth before the Holy Spirt could take his place. He makes that very clear.

@PrintOfLife

3 жыл бұрын

Isaiah 9:6 said Son is called God and Father because CHRIST JESUS is The only GOD. The Trinity explain HIS omnipresence like in Numbers 11:25.

The father is spirit and holy, the holy spirit dwelled in the son, the son came from the bosom of the father. God is a spirit and they that worship him must worship in spirit and truth. Ensure you are worshipping the Spirit

Some pre nicean believed 3 persons but many more did NOT. What did the pre Christian believers believe now that would be an interesting question as history tells us the apostles and early disciples did not call themselves Christians. If your going back trace the whole thread available.

@PostApostolicChurch

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for commenting. I'm not familiar with even one pre-Nicene Christian who did not believe in three Persons. Which one(s) did not believe in three Persons? God bless you!

there are so many scriptures show almighty god and jesus are seperate and that almighty is greater but to make it easier to understand is thes scriptures show jesus was created by almighty god so he is a creation a first born, colos 1:15 psalm 2:6-7 heb:1:5-6

I have a question. Do the early ante-Nicene fathers believe in the Trinity or Binity?

@meluginnetti1574

28 күн бұрын

They believed in neither. Paul declared in I Corinthians 8:6: yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live. So who is Jesus? Peter correctly answered this question in Matthew 16:16 “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” From here we can clearly see that the living God is the Father of Christ. And if Christ is His Son then He inherited (Hebrews 1:4) Father’s divine nature just like my son is human because I’m human. This is why the Jews tried to stone Jesus in John 5:17-18 when He called God His Father MAKING HIM EQUAL WITH GOD. But Jesus said that the Father was great than He in John 14:28… meaning that the Father is older than His Son. The Father was greater than the Son in that He was first. The Son was equal to the Father in that He received all things from the Father. Please see John 5:26. The Holy Spirit is the spirit of the Father (compare Luke 12:11-12, Matthew 10:19-20) and not a separate being from the Father or Son but their very PERSONAL presence. See Psalm 139:7. What you’re listening to here is nothing more than a philosophical idol being formed. An idol not formed by man’s hands but by men’s minds. I also once taught it because that was what I was taught. What I did I did in ignorance. It would be my privilege to study with you. I’m not a JW or not from any other mainline Christian denomination. I’m just a Christian… period. Blessings to you as you hunger and thirst for righteousness.

@PostApostolicChurch

26 күн бұрын

Thank you for asking. Firstly, I have never heard of Binity. Is there a church that believes in Binity? The Pre-Nicene Christians believed in the Trinity. As I studied their writings, I was surprised how well they understood the Trinity from the earliest writings. God bless you!

@johannestan8681

26 күн бұрын

@@PostApostolicChurch In my point of view, there are two Persons in the unity of God, the Father and the Son. They both have their Holy Spirit being sent out. These are their Holy Spirit, their Person hood, and are and is God. When we read Spirit of God, it depends on who is sending but most likely and most of the time it's the Father's. We can also read Spirit of Christ in Romans. So, it is of Jesus' Spirit, not the Father's. There are also seven Spirits of God the Father. There are also seven Spirits of the Lamb. Jesus, the express image of His Father. In Paradise, there are only two thrones. I believe that the works of the Holy Spirits were already done that's why they went back to the Source seated on two distinct thrones of the Father and the Son.

@PostApostolicChurch

25 күн бұрын

@@johannestan8681 Thanks for saying. I have thought about that idea before... that the Holy Spirit is either the Father's spirit or the Son's spirit. I have wondered if that was the case. Sure, there are many passages in the Scriptures that might be interpreted that way. But there are other passages (I think of John chapter 14) where the Holy Spirit is spoken of by Jesus as being His own Person. For example, John 14:26, Jesus speaks of four different persons.... Father, Son, Spirit, and those listening to Jesus. Jesus says that the Counselor is... (1) sent by the Father, (2) sent in Jesus' name, (3) teacher of all things to those there. The way this verse is phrased, it appears that the Holy Spirit is a different entity/person than the Father, than the Son, and than people. That is, if this is the spirit of the Father, then the Father wouldn't send a spirit... the Father would send Himself. The same with Jesus. What do you think about John 14:26? I found where Jesus mentions two thrones in Rev 21. To me, it makes sense that the Holy Spirit doesn't have a throne, because the Holy Spirit is never made a King over anything. The Father gets a throne because He is the Source and the King over all things. The Son gets a throne, because He was made King by His Father. But I cannot think of how the Holy Spirit becomes king. Besides... just because the Holy Spirit doesn't have a throne, this does not mean that the Holy Spirit is not God. What other thoughts do you have?

@johannestan8681

25 күн бұрын

@@PostApostolicChurch" 16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." ---John 14:16. I think and believe that it is more true that there are two Persons in the One unity of God. The Holy Spirit is God, less in authority or rank, like what happened with the Son, because They were sent. Jesus said that He who sends is greater than He who is being sent. As for the throne of the Holy Spirit, you say that He doesn't have one because He was not crowned as King, as for me, looks like not a strong support for your insight. He should have a throne as well if He is a distinct God from the Father and the Son. The work of salvation was already consummated so the Holy Spirit should also already sit on His throne just like what Jesus did since They are all co equal unless like what I had explained that the Holy Spirit is a part of God; that He is not one Person but the Personhood of the Father and the Son being sent out. God has a spiritual body and within it His Holy Spirit resides and can be sent. The same with Jesus. To clarify: The Father sent His Holy Spirit with Jesus along with Jesus' Holy Spirit. So there are now four Spirits yet only two distinct Persons, the Father and the Son. The Another Comforter is another Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, begotten by the Holy Spirit of the Father whom He will send in Jesus name. I hope this illuminated Binity's understanding.

Isaiah 45:5 King James Version (KJV) 5 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

Godhead = God (the Father) Glorified Resurrected, God (The Son) Glorified Resurrected, God (The Holy Ghost) Personage of Spirit.

GOD IS ONE SPIRIT. READ WELL - THE ONENESS OF GOD AND IN GOD IS ESSENTIAL FOR OUR SALVATION. IT IS NOT - INTELLECTUAL CALCULATION THAT REVEALS THIS TO US BUT THE HOLY SPIRIT THROUGH DISCERNMENT. ACTS 4 13 When they saw the boldness of Peter and John and realised that they were unschooled, ordinary men, they were astonished and recognised that they had been with Jesus. JESUS ANSWERED, “THE MOST IMPORTANT IS, ‘HEAR, O ISRAEL: THE LORD OUR GOD, THE LORD IS ONE. EPHESIANS 4:5-6 ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM, ONE GOD AND FATHER OF ALL, WHO IS OVER ALL AND THROUGH ALL AND IN ALL. ROMANS 8:1 THERE IS THEREFORE NOW NO CONDEMNATION FOR THOSE WHO ARE IN CHRIST JESUS. JOHN 10:30 I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE.” JOHN 14:20 IN THAT DAY YOU WILL KNOW THAT I AM IN MY FATHER, AND YOU IN ME, AND I IN YOU. JAMES 2:19 YOU BELIEVE THAT GOD IS ONE; YOU DO WELL. EVEN THE DEMONS BELIEVE-AND SHUDDER! ZECHARIAH 14:9 AND THE LORD WILL BE KING OVER ALL THE EARTH. ON THAT DAY THE LORD WILL BE ONE AND HIS NAME ONE. JUDE 1:4 FOR CERTAIN PEOPLE HAVE CREPT IN UNNOTICED WHO LONG AGO WERE DESIGNATED FOR THIS CONDEMNATION, UN-GODLY PEOPLE, WHO PERVERT THE GRACE OF OUR GOD INTO SENSUALITY AND DENY OUR ONLY MASTER AND LORD, JESUS CHRIST. ISAIAH 43:10 “YOU ARE MY WITNESSES,” DECLARES THE LORD, “AND MY SERVANT WHOM I HAVE CHOSEN, THAT YOU MAY KNOW AND BELIEVE ME AND UNDERSTAND THAT I AM HE. BEFORE ME NO GOD WAS FORMED, NOR SHALL THERE BE ANY AFTER ME. GALATIANS 3:20 NOW AN INTERMEDIARY IMPLIES MORE THAN ONE, BUT GOD IS ONE. 1 TIMOTHY 2:5 FOR THERE IS ONE GOD, AND THERE IS ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MEN, THE MAN CHRIST JESUS, ISAIAH 45:21-22 DECLARE AND PRESENT YOUR CASE; LET THEM TAKE COUNSEL TOGETHER! WHO TOLD THIS LONG AGO? WHO DECLARED IT OF OLD? WAS IT NOT I, THE LORD? AND THERE IS NO OTHER GOD BESIDES ME, A RIGHTEOUS GOD AND A SAVIOUR; THERE IS NONE BESIDES ME. “TURN TO ME AND BE SAVED, ALL THE ENDS OF THE EARTH! FOR I AM GOD, AND THERE IS NO OTHER. ISAIAH 44:8 FEAR NOT, NOR BE AFRAID; HAVE I NOT TOLD YOU FROM OF OLD AND DECLARED IT? AND YOU ARE MY WITNESSES! IS THERE A GOD BESIDES ME? THERE IS NO ROCK; I KNOW NOT ANY.” ISAIAH 44:6 THUS SAYS THE LORD, THE KING OF ISRAEL AND HIS REDEEMER, THE LORD OF HOSTS: “I AM THE FIRST AND I AM THE LAST; BESIDES ME THERE IS NO GOD. 1 CORINTHIANS 8:6 YET FOR US THERE IS ONE GOD, THE FATHER, FROM WHOM ARE ALL THINGS AND FOR WHOM WE EXIST, AND ONE LORD, JESUS CHRIST, THROUGH WHOM ARE ALL THINGS AND THROUGH WHOM WE EXIST. 1 CORINTHIANS 8:4 THEREFORE, AS TO THE EATING OF FOOD OFFERED TO IDOLS, WE KNOW THAT “AN IDOL HAS NO REAL EXISTENCE,” AND THAT “THERE IS NO GOD BUT ONE.” 1 CORINTHIANS 12:13 FOR BY ONE SPIRIT ARE WE ALL BAPTISED INTO ONE BODY, WHETHER WE BE JEWS OR GENTILES, WHETHER WE BE BOND OR FREE; AND HAVE BEEN ALL MADE TO DRINK INTO ONE SPIRIT. JOHN 17:21-23 THAT THEY ALL MAY BE ONE; AS THOU, FATHER, ART IN ME, AND I IN THEE, THAT THEY ALSO MAY BE ONE IN US: THAT THE WORLD MAY BELIEVE THAT THOU HAST SENT ME… GOD BLESS YOU - ALL WHO BELIEVE IN CHRIST JESUS ARE IN ONE SPIRIT FOR GOD IS ONE. IF YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS OR DOUBT DON'T HESITATE TO ASK ME. BETTER STILL PRAY TO THE LORD AND THE HOLY SPIRIT THE BREATHE OF GOD WILL ANSWER YOU. JOHN 20 22 AND WITH THAT HE BREATHED ON THEM AND SAID, “RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT. JOB 32:8 BUT IT IS THE SPIRIT IN MAN, THE BREATH OF THE ALMIGHTY THAT MAKES HIM UNDERSTAND. PRAISE THE LORD. MATTHEW 12 (“”” GOD IS ONE “”””) 25 HOWEVER, KNOWING WHAT THEY WERE THINKING, YESHUA SAID TO THEM, “EVERY KINGDOM DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF WILL BE RUINED, AND EVERY CITY OR HOUSEHOLD DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF WILL NOT SURVIVE [“””” GOD IS ONE “””” ] REVELATION 13 BELOW A KINGDOM DIVIDED >>> BUILT ON SAND OF THE TRINITY 3 AND I SAW THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS THAT LOOKED LIKE FROGS COMING OUT OF THE MOUTHS OF THE DRAGON, THE BEAST, AND THE FALSE PROPHET. THE TRINITY = THE TRINITY OF THE PAGANS - THERE IS NO OTHER TRINITY. FOR - “””” GOD IS ONE “””” 1 KINGS 18 21 ELIJAH WENT BEFORE THE PEOPLE AND SAID, “HOW LONG WILL YOU WAVER BETWEEN TWO OPINIONS? IF THE LORD IS GOD, FOLLOW HIM; BUT IF BAAL IS GOD, FOLLOW HIM.” - BUT - THE PEOPLE SAID NOTHING. [THE TRINITY COULD BE THE MAIN IDOL OF BAAL IN THE END TIMES. IT IS THE MAIN IDOL THAT CHALLENGES THE POWER AND AUTHORITY OF JESUS DIRECT. [ -WHO WILL HAVE THE COURAGE TO EXPOSE AND CHALLENGE IT? - THE 2 WITNESSES OF COURSE - ] BUT THE 2 WITNESSES WILL BE CHALLENGED BY THE TRINITY OF THE DRAGON THE BEAST AND THE FALSE PROPHET MATTHEW 12 (“”” GOD IS ONE “”””) 25 HOWEVER, KNOWING WHAT THEY WERE THINKING, YESHUA SAID TO THEM, “EVERY KINGDOM DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF WILL BE RUINED, AND EVERY CITY OR HOUSEHOLD DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF WILL NOT SURVIVE “””” GOD IS ONE “””” REVELATION 13 3 AND I SAW THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS THAT LOOKED LIKE FROGS COMING OUT OF THE MOUTHS OF THE DRAGON, THE BEAST, AND THE FALSE PROPHET. 1 KINGS 18 21 ELIJAH WENT BEFORE THE PEOPLE AND SAID, “HOW LONG WILL YOU WAVER BETWEEN TWO OPINIONS? IF THE LORD IS GOD, FOLLOW HIM; BUT IF BAAL IS GOD, FOLLOW HIM.” - BUT - THE PEOPLE SAID NOTHING. ELIJAH REPEATS HIMSELF AS AN END TIME WITNESS. ELIJAH WENT BEFORE THE PEOPLE AND SAID, “HOW LONG WILL YOU WAVER BETWEEN TWO OPINIONS? IF JESUS IS YOUR LORD AND GOD, FOLLOW HIM; BUT IF THE TRINITY IS YOUR GOD, FOLLOW HIM.” - BUT - THE PEOPLE SAID NOTHING. 2 CORINTHIANS 3 3 I AM AFRAID, HOWEVER, THAT JUST AS EVE WAS DECEIVED BY THE SERPENT’S CUNNING, YOUR MINDS MAY BE LED ASTRAY FROM YOUR SIMPLE AND PURE DEVOTION TO CHRIST. MATTHEW 11 25 AT THAT TIME JESUS DECLARED, “I PRAISE YOU, FATHER, LORD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH, BECAUSE YOU HAVE HIDDEN THESE THINGS FROM THE WISE AND LEARNED, AND REVEALED THEM TO LITTLE CHILDREN. 26 YES, FATHER, FOR THIS WAS WELL-PLEASING IN YOUR SIGHT.

I think it's good to look into these types of non biblical writings including the apocrypha just to get a better idea of the mindset of the early church. But you need to have the sense God gave a cow and eat the grass but leave the sticks

My thing I don’t think they taught that the Son of God always was the Son begotten from eternity , He was the Word so it’s important to note that the Word became the son. And The Son is Divine , the 3 are one as John says

Interesting points and yet many of them do not prove a trinity of three persons that are co equal, coneternal. More so it proves three distinctions of one all powerfuly God who can be father son and Holy Ghost at the same time, and as many stated its a more economic trinity yet coming from one God. The co equal and co eternal aspects came from many of the gnostics and thats what tended to be adopted here but none of these early fathers would agtee with how the trinity is now adays and would call it paganism in how much they get divided up.

Oneness in trinity. All sealed in cross death

It does not matter what these early Christians believe , I have a complete bible or did they have more information ?

@PostApostolicChurch

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for commenting. While the writings of the early Christians are not necessary to our Christian lives, there is a whole lot of useful information that can build our faith. One of the things that the early Christians had that we do not were the traditions of the apostles. For example, Paul wrote, "Stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter" (2Thes 2:15. Again, while the traditions left by word of mouth are not necessary for our Christian life, they can be useful because they came from the apostles. God bless!

@tecomaman

5 жыл бұрын

@@PostApostolicChurch ,that would be interesting , what did they say was the traditions that we don't know clearly ?

@PostApostolicChurch

5 жыл бұрын

Most of the traditions of the early Christians that are seen as apostolic are HOW some of the Biblical instructions can be followed. Some examples include baptism... it is for adults and it is for the forgiveness of sins and salvation. Lord's Supper... it was observed every week. Head coverings... the instructions Paul gives in 1Cor 11 were not seen as cultural or optional; they were seen as apostolic teaching. There are many more examples. In short, the early Christians' writings are useful to us in learning what the apostles meant behind the things they did write in the Scriptures.

DO THESE TEACHINGS LEAD TO ROME ? -AND - WE KNOW WHERE THE TEACHINGS OF ROME LEAD TO.

@donk1822

4 жыл бұрын

With the benefit of hindsight and history it is easy to see that the weeds Jesus spoke of has been the Catholic church and her children. Sadly most protestants are still Catholic. Trinity, immortality of the soul, hellfire, solar worship rituals, just old wine in a new skin.

@doriesse824

Жыл бұрын

@@donk1822 What would you say Protestants should believe?

@donk1822

Жыл бұрын

@@doriesse824 Hi Dorie, I honestly believe the Bible is the only authority any of us should have, however you might wish to consider the following. Mortal or immortal soul? The Bible provides an Occam's razor to separate the wheat from the chaff as it were, it is provided in Genesis. The Devil's first lie to Eve. “You will not surely die. For God knows that in the day you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God". The Devil claims that we do not die because of sin as God say's we do, he claims that something survives, he claims our soul is a spirit which survives the death of the body. God on the other hand is most adamant. "And Adam 'became' a living soul". The opposite of a living soul can only be a dead, non existent one. On this matter God is not ambiguous. "The soul that is sinning, it shall die". It is this lie more than any other that defines Babylon the Great, the empire of false religion. Any faith, pagan or 'Christian' that teaches you have an immortal soul originates with the Devil. Of course, if there is no immortal soul, Hell cannot be a place of eternal torment, and God is no longer a despot :). The Lake of Fire can now be seen for what it is, a metaphor for eternal non existence. The Trinity You will know this scripture well, but perhaps not in the form it should be understood. The words in brackets are the original Greek words used. In the beginning was the word (Logos), and the word (Logos) was with God (Ho Theos) and the word (Logos) was god (Theos). Note, the Logos, the word, was with God, not is God, note also that no mention is made of the Trinity's third person. God almighty is 'Ho Theos', THE God, he has the definitive article, however the Logos is described as 'Theos', no definite article. This denotes that the Logos is a little less than God. A more accurate translation is. "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was 'divine". If we accept that the Logos is not God, or a part of God, then who is he? The Bible tells us the Logos is Michael the Archangel, God's unique creation. Everything else was made by him wielding God's limitless power through God's Holy Spirit, his active force. Michael the Archangel sits at the right hand of God, it is he who's position Satan wanted, he who speaks for God, he by name 'Who is like God!?'. When Jesus returns we are told he will come not as a man, but will return in his full glory, we are informed he will have the voice of an Archangel! This further emphasises the mortal nature of the soul, animal, human or angel. If Michael could come to Earth and die for us, then even God's only begotten son was a mortal being. Now of course God has given him life unto himself and he will do so for 144,000 more from among his most faithful followers, these are the saint's who will form a heavenly government with Christ as its head. Thankfully they are not chosen by human committee, they are chosen by him. If I have one bit if wisdom to share that is undeniable which transcends our differing viewpoints it is this. Many books have been written about man's faith in God, but I can only think of one source that explains how much faith God has in us :). Best regards Dorie.

@doriesse824

Жыл бұрын

@@donk1822 You didn't factor in the work Jesus came to do for our soul, to make it alive again through the remission of sin. What would have been the point of God creating us to just die forever? It is the combination of our spirit (which animates the body) and flesh that creates a "living soul". When Adam sinned, we could no longer be a "living" soul, but now the soul was "dead" until Jesus Christ came to earth, when we could be made alive again in Christ. The Lake of Fire has been so very misunderstood. It is a place of correction and refinement, like removing the impurities from gold in the refiner's fire. God is not willing that ANY should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance. Shall the will of God not prevail in the Universe?

The dual natuare hypotheses - the God-man. What a crock! Divine nature and human nataure cannot be set side by side and numbered as if they were similar quantities. The Chalcedonian formula makes a genuine humanity impossible. The Council calls Jesus true God. The NT shies away from calling Jesus God. 1 Tim. 1:5 " For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and man, the MAN Christ Jesus."

@PostApostolicChurch

7 жыл бұрын

What do you think of this of this Scripture? John 20:27-29. Then He said to Thomas, “Put your finger here and observe My hands. Reach out your hand and put it into My side. Don’t be an unbeliever, but a believer.” Thomas responded to Him, “My Lord and my God!” Jesus said, “Because you have seen Me, you have believed. Those who believe without seeing are blessed.”

@lazyjim1

4 жыл бұрын

@@PostApostolicChurch compare this with Jesus's response to Peter in Mathew16:15-17 I feel that Jesus was not too happy with Thomas's lack of faith. He did not correct Thomas calling Him Lord and God bcos even satan is called the god of this world. So what more Jesus, through whom The Father created all things.I have to say though that I enjoyed and appreciate the info you have shared. thanks!

Simple. God wanted to leave a human example for us. His spirit entered a body, named Jesus Christ. Spilled his blood and went back to being a spirit. We don’t need 1 in 3. God is Jesus and Jesus is God. We’re all created by God.

Clement of Alexandria also believed the Phoenix was a real bird who cycled every 500 years. Some of the old Church Fathers sound as if they were on drugs - Tertullian for one. Jesus clearly said the Father is the only true God and Paul said, for us, there is one God, the Father.

@PostApostolicChurch

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for commenting. I know that Clement of Rome wrote about the Phoenix. And this is fascinating because Clement of Rome knew Peter and Paul. Whether the early Christians appeared to be on drugs or not, their beliefs about the nature of God was the universal belief of all of them. God bless!

@ravissary79

5 жыл бұрын

No one is saying they were not flawed. Their writings aren't scripture. However where they agree, and where they align with abd comment on scripture is very enlightening because they resolve many issues the church debated and split over later but didn't have the benefit of being so close to the apostles. Also if you read them in context it's often not hard to figure out what parts are speculative and what isn't. Example: Origen often isn't the best source on cosmology as he seemed to borrow heavily from the gnostics, but he was also a very educated scholar on texts abd translations and collected as much of the older manuscripts as he could and was a brilliant mind. So where he's novel, ignore him, where he touches on orthodox matters he can be enlightening. Tertullian is my favorite as he offered very clear thinking explanations of a wide range of topics but wasn't terribly interested in philosophy or mystical matters but tried to keep things clear and useful where he could. But he's also honest snout where he speculates, like thinking angels are made of fire. He gives a logical explanation not from superstition but from his dated understanding of matter. Thus his ideas about fire and spirit are easy to ignore except where they have a certain metaphorical power. Again, the trick is letting them inform you of where they agree, for it shows the spirit of God and then teachings of the apostles was a real thing and undergrads scripture.

the end time church must be much better than the early church

Don't know how you can say all the apostolic father's were united in belief when they are clearly devided on the trinity.

@PostApostolicChurch

26 күн бұрын

Thank you for commenting. Before 325 AD, the apostolic fathers were united in their teaching on the Trinity. The only exceptions I can think of are two groups. First, the Gnostics did not believe in the Trinity. Second, Arius was the first person from within the church to oppose the teaching on the Trinity. So yes, all the Christians churches before 325 taught the Trinity. God bless you!

Divinity. Does 1 make 3 or does 3 make 1?

Why then was Every APOSTLE Baptism was in Jesus Christ name .?? Acts 2:38- Acts 19. ???

Please help me understand John 8 and do this for me, where it says Father insert the word "God" since you believe the Father is God. Where it says Jesus insert the word "God" since you believe Jesus is also God. And where you believe it's speaking of the triune being would you please insert the word "triune being." Thanks for your help.

@PostApostolicChurch

7 жыл бұрын

Do you mean insert the word "Father" instead of God whenever I believe it is talking about the Father, and inserting the word "Jesus" instead of God whenever I believe it is talking about Jesus, and insert the word "triune being" instead of God whenever I believe it is talking about the Divinity?

@VaughnMalecki

7 жыл бұрын

Post-Apostolic Church Now each person is God so insert the word God for them both and where it's the triune being that is being spoken of insert triune being. It makes perfect sense if your doctrine is true.

@PostApostolicChurch

7 жыл бұрын

Sure thing. I have pasted John 8 below. I cannot straight up replace all their names with “God,” because as I said in my video, that gets confusing on who is talking about who. Remember, “God” simply means deity. So the short answer is: Jesus is deity and the Father is deity (but they are not two Gods). So I will do my best to do what you asked and capitalize the names so help people understand what John was trying to write. Please let me know if what I did below doesn’t make sense. 1 But GOD JESUS went to the Mount of Olives. 2 At dawn He went to the temple complex again, and all the people were coming to Him. He sat down and began to teach them. 3 Then the scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman caught in adultery, making her stand in the center. 4 “Teacher,” they said to Him, “this woman was caught in the act of committing adultery. 5 In the law Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do You say?” 6 They asked this to trap Him, in order that they might have evidence to accuse Him. GOD JESUS stooped down and started writing on the ground with His finger. 7 When they persisted in questioning Him, He stood up and said to them, “The one without sin among you should be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Then He stooped down again and continued writing on the ground. 9 When they heard this, they left one by one, starting with the older men. Only He was left, with the woman in the center. 10 When GOD JESUS stood up, He said to her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” 11 “No one, Lord,” she answered. “Neither do I condemn you,” said GOD JESUS. “Go, and from now on do not sin anymore.”] 12 Then GOD JESUS spoke to them again: “I am the light of the world. Anyone who follows Me will never walk in the darkness but will have the light of life.” 13 So the Pharisees said to Him, “You are testifying about Yourself. Your testimony is not valid.” 14 “Even if I testify about Myself,” GOD JESUS replied, “My testimony is valid, because I know where I came from and where I’m going. But you don’t know where I come from or where I’m going. 15 You judge by human standards. I judge no one. 16 And if I do judge, My judgment is true, because I am not alone, but I and GOD the FATHER who sent Me judge together. 17 Even in your law it is written that the witness of two men is valid. 18 I am the One who testifies about Myself, and GOD the FATHER who sent Me testifies about Me.” 19 Then they asked Him, “Where is GOD Your FATHER?” “You know neither Me nor GOD My FATHER,” GOD JESUS answered. “If you knew Me, you would also know My Father.” 20 He spoke these words by the treasury, while teaching in the temple complex. But no one seized Him, because His hour had not come. 21 Then He said to them again, “I’m going away; you will look for Me, and you will die in your sin. Where I’m going, you cannot come.” 22 So the Jews said again, “He won’t kill Himself, will He, since He says, ‘Where I’m going, you cannot come’?” 23 “You are from below,” He told them, “I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 Therefore I told you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” 25 “Who are You?” they questioned. “Precisely what I’ve been telling you from the very beginning,” GOD JESUS told them. 26 “I have many things to say and to judge about you, but the One who sent Me is true, and what I have heard from Him-these things I tell the world.” 27 They did not know He was speaking to them about GOD the FATHER. 28 So Jesus said to them, “When you lift up the Son of Man (AND SON OF GOD), then you will know that I am He, and that I do nothing on My own. But just as GOD the FATHER taught Me, I say these things. 29 The One who sent Me is with Me. He has not left Me alone, because I always do what pleases Him.” 30 As He was saying these things, many believed in Him. 31 So GOD JESUS said to the Jews who had believed Him, “If you continue in My word, you really are My disciples. 32 You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” 33 “We are descendants of Abraham,” they answered Him, “and we have never been enslaved to anyone. How can You say, ‘You will become free’?” 34 GOD JESUS responded, “I assure you: Everyone who commits sin is a slave of sin. 35 A slave does not remain in the household forever, but a son does remain forever. 36 Therefore, if GOD the Son sets you free, you really will be free. 37 I know you are descendants of Abraham, but you are trying to kill Me because My word is not welcome among you. 38 I speak what I have seen in the presence of GOD the FATHER; therefore, you do what you have heard from your father.” 39 “Our father is Abraham!” they replied. “If you were Abraham’s children,” GOD JESUS told them, “you would do what Abraham did. 40 But now you are trying to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God (THE FATHER). Abraham did not do this! 41 You’re doing what your father does.” “We weren’t born of sexual immorality,” they said. “We have one Father-God.” (I DO NOT KNOW HOW THE PEOPLE MEANT “GOD” HERE. I WOULD GUESS THEY ARE SAYING, “We have one spiritual father-the triune God.”) 42 GOD JESUS said to them, “If THE TRIUNE God were your (SPIRITUAL) Father, you would love Me, because I came from God THE FATHER and I am here. For I didn’t come on My own, but He sent Me. 43 Why don’t you understand what I say? Because you cannot listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the Devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and has not stood in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he speaks from his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of liars. 45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Who among you can convict Me of sin? If I tell the truth, why don’t you believe Me? 47 The one who is from THE TRIUNE God listens to THE TRIUNE God’s words. This is why you don’t listen, because you are not from God.” (THIS LAST “GOD” COULD BE USED BOTH WAYS. EITHER triune god OR god the father WOULD MAKE SENSE HERE.) 48 The Jews responded to Him, “Aren’t we right in saying that You’re a Samaritan and have a demon?” 49 “I do not have a demon,” GOD JESUS answered. “On the contrary, I honor GOD My Father and you dishonor Me. 50 I do not seek My glory; the One who seeks it also judges. 51 I assure you: If anyone keeps My word, he will never see death-ever!” 52 Then the Jews said, “Now we know You have a demon. Abraham died and so did the prophets. You say, ‘If anyone keeps My word, he will never taste death-ever!’ 53 Are You greater than our father Abraham who died? Even the prophets died. Who do You pretend to be?” 54 “If I glorify Myself,” Jesus answered, “My glory is nothing. GOD My Father-you say about Him, ‘He is our TRIUNE God’-He is the One who glorifies Me. 55 You’ve never known Him, but I know Him. If I were to say I don’t know Him, I would be a liar like you. But I do know Him, and I keep His word. 56 Your father Abraham was overjoyed that he would see My day; he saw it and rejoiced.” 57 The Jews replied, “You aren’t 50 years old yet, and You’ve seen Abraham?” 58 GOD JESUS said to them, “I assure you: Before Abraham was, I am.” 59 At that, they picked up stones to throw at Him. But GOD JESUS was hidden and went out of the temple complex.

@VaughnMalecki

7 жыл бұрын

Post-Apostolic Church that's a God of mass confusion you have there. You see if Jesus were a man like it was repeated by everyone in the Scriptures until the Gnostics, of which John addressed in his letters, we have no confusion and the Scriptures all make sense without all the fables and contradictions that the trinity creates. The early church you quoted saying the Father and son are one doesn't prove anything unless we too are a fourth part of the so called triune being. You're trying to read into their writings this pagan gnostic trinity concept like you're going to do to the Scriptures with presupposed presuppositions. Trinitarians do not considered "the whole counsel of God" on the matter while hypocritically ignoring any and every fact of Scripture which does not suit the Trinity. I know it's true for I was a guilty culprit myself of doing this. Jesus said - "I pray not only for these, but also for those who believe in Me through their message. May they all be one, as You, Father, are in Me and I am in You. May they also be one in Us, so the world may believe You sent Me. I have given them the glory You have given Me. May they be one as We are one. I am in them and You are in Me. May they be made completely one, so the world may know You have sent Me and have loved them as You have loved Me." (John 17:20-23) "But anyone joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him." (1 Cor. 6:17) Tertullian was just crazy as all get out when it came to understanding who God was by nature as he explained "as a mystery." God never said he was a mystery. He actually said we CAN know Him. Jesus prayed to the only God, the FATHER, that we may know Him. "This is eternal life: that they may know You, the only true God, and the One You have sent--Jesus Christ." John 17:3

@PostApostolicChurch

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for discussing this with me. I hope you'll stick around for my next two videos (especially the third), because they make the Divinity so much more clear.

Mathematically speaking you are saying. It's not 1+1+1 But it is 1x1x1 But has anyone looked at this theory. The Holy Spirit IS the Word of God? "the words that I speak unto you, they are SPIRIT and they are LIFE" .... I shall await anyone who can respond to this inquiry. Shalom

@PostApostolicChurch

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for commenting! I really like the idea of 1x1x1. That is very good. In that verse, it looks like "words" is meant literally. Those are the words that are coming out of Jesus' mouth. But when it comes to the Word of God (not literal, spoken words), the Bible applies this to Jesus, the Son. Regarding a figurative representation of the Holy Spirit, there are times in the Bible where He is called the Wisdom of God. God bless!

@WiggTheMobileBarbR

4 жыл бұрын

@@PostApostolicChurch So are you saying the Holy Spirit is the Wisdom of God rather than the Word (as I alluded to)? Just want to clarify for edification.

@PostApostolicChurch

4 жыл бұрын

@@WiggTheMobileBarbR As a rule of thumb, yes. It's not a hard-fast rule, but I agree with that.

@WiggTheMobileBarbR

4 жыл бұрын

@@PostApostolicChurch So is it safe to say that the Wisdom comes after the Word? Meaning I gain the wisdom after searching it out? Or the Wisdom is what helps to understand the Word? Hope I'm making sense.

@PostApostolicChurch

4 жыл бұрын

@@WiggTheMobileBarbR Good question. In "lower case letters," yes. "words are given, and wisdom is gained" But when it comes to "upper case letters," I would not say that Wisdom (Holy Spirit) comes from the Word (Jesus Christ) in the same way that wisdom comes from words. The Word and Wisdom are sent by the Father. But I might be getting too theologically deep now. I'll put it this way: words are given, wisdom is gained (this comes from things like the book of Proverbs) The Word and Wisdom are given to humanity (These come from God)

Tertullian coined the trinity

@PostApostolicChurch

5 жыл бұрын

Before Tertullian, the earliest person we know who used the word Trinity was Theophilus of Antioch. Tertullian was one of the Christian writers who wrote pages upon pages on the Trinity. God bless!

@andrewdoesapologetics

5 жыл бұрын

@@PostApostolicChurch No, Tertullian adapted "Trinitas" from the Platonic Celestial Arithmetic word "Timaeus" The trinity IS a manmade concept forced on all believers through the Catholic system. If this terminology didn't come along until the late 2nd century, one must ask what the earliest Christians believed from the Day of Pentecost up until then. Simply, they believed in Oneness

@PostApostolicChurch

5 жыл бұрын

@@andrewdoesapologetics Thank you for commenting. If Christians believed in Oneness from the day of Pentecost, what evidence is there of it? We see by the year 200, the entire Church believed in the 3 Persons of God while at the same time condemned the man-made doctrine of Oneness. If the idea of Trinity is true, then we see that truth existed throughout the church--from the time of the apostles through the Pre-Nicene period. If the idea of Oneness is true, then what happened in the first 100 years after the apostles to cause the entire Church to change it's stance on the nature of God? God bless!

do you believe in the trinity???.. I do..

@PostApostolicChurch

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, I do. :)

@PostApostolicChurch

7 жыл бұрын

Awakened2Truth, You said a lot of things. In love, I would love to discuss this with you, but it would be better to wait until after my next two videos which will make things more clear by looking more seriously at the Scriptures. You made lots of claims to history, and I hope that you can deliver historical evidence for what you said. But please, I humbly ask that you wait until after the third video in a few weeks to comment again so we can discuss this important issue. And I hope we can do so in love. I wish you God’s blessings as we live this life and strive to understand God’s truth.

@PrintOfLife

3 жыл бұрын

The Trinity is Biblical and it explain the omnipresence of The Biblical GOD like in Numbers 11:25. I know it is true because I was taken in Spirit and seen The Biblical GOD. But there is no God but CHRIST JESUS.

@chivasboss

3 жыл бұрын

@@PrintOfLife Biblical Trinity it's explained clearly as The Father is (God) Jesus Christ the Son is (God) and the Holy Spirit is (God) but they're "only One God"....not 3 Gods

@PrintOfLife

3 жыл бұрын

obed v The Lord JESUS CHRIST is the only God and Sovereign (Jude 1: 4). HE came into the very world HE created but the world did not recognized HIM. That’s John 1:10.

The word was god means, that it was godlike. In terms of it's affect on people's hearts.

“God” would have been understood in both Hebraic and Aristotelian terms, i.e., the Most High or Supreme Being. There were many, “divinities,” however in the Classical world.

@PostApostolicChurch

5 жыл бұрын

Indeed. God can be described with any language or philosophy. His nature is not bound to anything on earth. What set the Jews and Christians apart in the Classical world was their belief in only one God. This got both of them into lots of trouble with the popular religions of Rome, Greece, and Egypt. God bless!

@Thomas_Geist

5 жыл бұрын

Post-Apostolic Church I appreciate your work and enjoy the information you bring up, but an historian you are not. Greek philosophers such as Aristotle also believed in one supreme being. So did Plato. The belief in one God is not what got Jews and Christians in a lot of trouble. That they would not acknowledge any other gods is what did. You should look into the work of Dr Michael Heiser on this point. He is an Evangelical Christian with a PhD in ancient semitic languages. Jews were give a special place in the Roman government because of their learning. They didn’t get in trouble until the rebellion of 70 and 132 AD. If you read the first treatise of Justin Martyr to the Roman senate you’ll see it was not monotheism that got them in trouble. When did the Hebrews get in trouble with the Egyptians over monotheism? The Pharaoh Akkanatan was one of the first monotheists. It got him in trouble but not the Hebrews. What statue did Paul bring to the attention of the Greeks on Mars hill? The one invisible god. No, the classical world had an issue with exclusivity, not monotheism.

@PostApostolicChurch

5 жыл бұрын

@@Thomas_Geist Thank you for your reply. By definition, monotheism is the belief in only one God. Therefore, monotheism inherently has exclusivity. After all, it was the very first two of the Ten Commandments that went against the polytheism of the Romans, Greeks, and Egyptians.

@Thomas_Geist

5 жыл бұрын

@@PostApostolicChurch Yes, well, tell that to a Muslim or a Jew for that matter. I'm going to make you not quite 30 yet. Right? First thing you have to do is study so you at least know what it is you don't know. Then do, come back and teach the rest of us.

@PostApostolicChurch

5 жыл бұрын

@@Thomas_Geist Why do you think I am under 30 years old? Is it the voice? I bet it's the voice. Regarding the things we have discussed, if you consider yourself to be an historian, I would prefer that you come back and teach. Where do you think I am incorrect? God bless you.

For goodness sakes people there is NO three persons, similar or otherwise in the Godhead. "There is one God and one lord Jesus our Savior, and the Messiah. A mediator, however, does not represent just one party; but God is one" Gal. 3:20 "For he has set a day when he wll judge the world with justice by the man he has apponted. He has GIVEN proof of that to ALL MEN by Raising HIM from the dead." Acts 17:31. God Cannot die, God raised Jesus, not his "human mode" self!! HE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM IS NOT JUDGED; HE WHO DOES NOT BELIEVE HAS BEEN JUDGED ALREADY BECAUSE HE HAS NOT BELIEVED IN THE NAME OF THE ONLY BEGOTTN SON OF GOD." John 3:18. Wonder Why those who recite John 3:16 and 17 NEVER mention verse 18??????

What did Jesus and James believe,? It seems all these men shaped the whole religion into a new pagan influenced religion.

@PostApostolicChurch

5 жыл бұрын

We see what Jesus believed in the gospels. We see what James believed in Acts and in James' letter. Why do you think they made a religion based on paganism? What would you say is pagan about what Jesus or James taught?

The controversy about "Who is Jesus"? goes all the way back to when he and the disciples went from place to place in the Holy Land, Bringing the Gospel to the Jews, Healing the sick, Restoring sight to the blind, Raising the dead. Jesus settled the controversy once and for all. Sadly, Jesus' words are not good enough for many Christians today. (Matt.16:13-17) When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. 15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. Notice Jesus did not correct Peter, or add to Peter's answer, Jesus was pleased with Peter's correct answer, and Jesus praised Peter and said that the answer Peter gave was inspired directly from The Almighty Heavenly Father, The only True God.(John 17:3) Jesus is the Christ, the Human Son of the living God. No more, no less. His own words. Who Is Jesus? Jesus answered the question; I believe our Savior!!! Jesus settled the controversy, That's good enough for me. (Eph.1:3) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, (John 20:17)Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, “I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.” (1Tim.2:5)For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,

@PostApostolicChurch

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for commenting. Amen!!

Ignatius never said that the Son was equal to the Father in eternity, power, position, and wisdom and nowhere did he say that the holy spirit was equal to God. The Trinity of today did not exist back then.

@josephtucker9612

4 жыл бұрын

Ignatius shows that the Son was not eternal as a person but was created, for he has the Son saying: “The Lord [Almighty God] created Me, the beginning of His ways.” (He obviously was quoting from Proverbs 8:22-25 before the trinitarians changed the wording. www.biblestudytools.com/nlt/proverbs/passage/?q=proverbs+8:22-25 ) Similarly, Ignatius said: “There is one God of the universe, the Father of Christ, ‘of whom are all things;’ and one Lord Jesus Christ, our Lord, ‘by whom are all things.’” He also writes: “The Holy Spirit does not speak His own things, but those of Christ, . . . even as the Lord also announced to us the things that He received from the Father. For, says He [the Son], ‘the word which ye hear is not Mine, but the Father’s, who sent Me.’” “There is one God who manifested himself through Jesus Christ his Son, who is his Word which proceeded from silence and in every respect pleased him [God] who sent him... Jesus Christ was subject to the Father.” True, Ignatius calls the Son “God the Word.” But using the word “God” for the Son does not necessarily mean equality with Almighty God. The Bible also calls the Son “God” at Isaiah 9:6. John 1:18 calls the Son “the only-begotten god.” Being vested with power and authority from Jehovah God, the Father, the Son could properly be termed a “mighty one,” which is what “god” basically means.-Matthew 28:18; 1 Corinthians 8:6; Hebrews 1:2. The only-begotten god. (John 1:18) Trinitarians do not like Jesus referred to as the only-begotten god so they translate it as only-begotten son. It's a problem for Trinitarians because Jesus is suppose to be one of the persons in one god. Not a god, like the true translation of John 1:1 says. The word was a God, not God. In the trinity world Jesus can't be an only-begotten god since the Father is not an only-begotten god. So translators hide it. biblehub.com/interlinear/john/1-18.htm

WHEN ELIJAH RETURNS HE WILL SAY 1 KINGS 18 21 AND ELIJAH CAME TO ALL THE PEOPLE, AND SAID, “HOW LONG WILL YOU FALTER BETWEEN TWO OPINIONS? IF THE LORD IS GOD, FOLLOW HIM; BUT IF BAAL, FOLLOW HIM.” BUT THE PEOPLE ANSWERED HIM NOT A WORD. ON ELIJAH’S RETURN HE MIGHT WELL REPEAT THE ABOVE WORDS “HOW LONG WILL YOU FALTER BETWEEN TWO OPINIONS? “IF LORD JESUS IS YOU SAVIOUR” - FOLLOW HIM. BUT IF “THE TRINITY = BAAL” IS YOUR SAVIOUR FOLLOW HIM. MATTHEW 11 12 FROM THE TIME OF JOHN THE BAPTIST UNTIL NOW, VIOLENT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN BY FORCE. [THIS MEANS THAT YOU CANNOT ENTER THE KINGDOM BY INTELLECTUAL POWER OF THE MIND, PHYSICAL POWER AS PETER FOUND OUT, OR THE POWER OF IDOLS OR SO CALLED HOLY GRAILS OR THE MAGICAL POWER INVOCATIONS OF THE TRINITY. SORRY THERE IS ONLY ONE DOOR - ONE GATEWAY - ONE SAVIOUR ONE GOD = ONE SPIRIT HE BREATHE OF GOD = THE HOLY SPIRIT SENT IN THE NAME OF JESUS AND NO OTHER NAME. JOHN 20 22 WHEN HE HAD SAID THIS, HE BREATHED ON THEM AND SAID, “RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT. 1 CORINTHIANS 12 13 FOR IN ONE SPIRIT WE WERE ALL BAPTISED INTO ONE BODY-JEWS OR GREEKS, SLAVES OR FREE AND ALL WERE MADE TO DRINK OF ONE SPIRIT. LUKE 10 20 NEVERTHELESS, DON’T LET [YOUR EGOS] BE GLAD THAT THE SPIRITS SUBMIT TO YOU; BE GLAD THAT YOUR NAMES [OF YOUR SOULS] HAVE BEEN RECORDED IN HEAVEN.” THERE IS ONLY ONE SOURCE OF POWER THAT TAKES US INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN AND THAT IS THE BREATHE OF GOD = THE HOLY SPIRIT; THAT IS ONLY AVAILABLE TO THOSE WHO CALL ON THE NAME OF JESUS THE NAME ABOVE ALL OTHERS. ACTS 4 13 WHEN THEY SAW THE COURAGE OF PETER AND JOHN AND REALISED THAT THEY WERE UNSCHOOLED, ORDINARY MEN, THEY WERE ASTONISHED AND THEY TOOK NOTE THAT THESE MEN HAD BEEN WITH JESUS. 21 AT THAT MOMENT HE WAS FILLED WITH JOY BY THE RUACH HAKODESH AND SAID, “FATHER, LORD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH, I THANK YOU BECAUSE YOU CONCEALED THESE THINGS FROM THE SOPHISTICATED AND EDUCATED, YET REVEALED THEM TO ORDINARY PEOPLE. YES, FATHER, I THANK YOU THAT IT PLEASED YOU TO DO THIS. 1 KINGS 18 21 AND ELIJAH CAME TO ALL THE PEOPLE, AND SAID, “HOW LONG WILL YOU FALTER BETWEEN TWO OPINIONS? IF THE LORD IS GOD, FOLLOW HIM; BUT IF BAAL, FOLLOW HIM.” BUT THE PEOPLE ANSWERED HIM NOT A WORD. ON ELIJAH’S RETURN HE MIGHT WELL REPEAT THE ABOVE WORDS “HOW LONG WILL YOU FALTER BETWEEN TWO OPINIONS? “IF LORD JESUS IS YOU SAVIOUR” - FOLLOW HIM. BUT IF “THE TRINITY = BAAL” IS YOUR SAVIOUR FOLLOW HIM.

None of these pre-nicenes said the Father ,Son and Holy Spirit are co-equal and co-eternal ,the Son is always subject to the Father and always will be

Ever since he led the Jews out of Egypt, Moses taught them that God is One, Almighty, individual Supreme Being (Deut. 6:4)Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: The Jews call that the Shema; Jesus and his apostles were also devout Jews who also believed and taught the Shema (Luke 12:29). If the early church in Acts was teaching that God is a Trinity, There would have been a tremendous controversy, There would have been an uproar among the Jews against the Apostles, but we don't see that in the scriptures, instead we see evidence that the Apostles supported the Jewish belief that God is numerically One, Most High, Almighty God. Not three, not two, but One only! The Trinity belief came from converted Gentiles who had been believers in multiple gods in their past before their conversion to Christianity. If most Christians were already Trinitarians, There wouldn't have been any need by Constantine to call a Council at Nicaea to force the belief on the church.

@PostApostolicChurch

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for commenting. You bring up some good points. Yes, there is only one God numerically. Also, there are three Persons numerically. Notice Jesus' own words in John 10:30. Jesus Himself said, "The Father and I are one." Notice that Jesus did not say "is one." Instead, Jesus used the plural verb. Why? Because the Father is not the same person as the Son. Yet, they are one, unified God. God bless you!

If Jesus was God how come he did not know when the end was comming

@garyavey7929

4 жыл бұрын

@gt seven 5 You read it again Mark 13:32 “Concerning that day or the hour nobody knows, neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, but the Father. How much clearer can it get?

@mikediamond353

4 жыл бұрын

It does seem very clear that Jesus admits he does not know. "Behold I come quickly"

@garyavey7929

4 жыл бұрын

@@mikediamond353 Most of the prophecies would come true during Christs prsence Daniel12:9,10) Then he said: “Go, Daniel, because the words are to be kept secret and sealed up until the time of the end. 10 Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined. And the wicked ones will act wickedly, and none of the wicked will understand; but those having insight will understand. Revelation 1:10) By inspiration I came to be in the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a strong voice like that of a trumpet, The lords day began in 1914.

You sound like a Catholic Jesus becomes your father when you're born again it's all explained in one word his name in Hebrew is YAHushua. 7 names for God in Isaiah 9:6 and his name shall be called wonderful counselor who is the Holy Spirit The Mighty God Jesus's name is the Mighty God and there's only one God and His Name shall be called the Everlasting father and his name is Jesus we know him in Hebrew as Yahweh is salvation YAHushua

In fact, Yeshua Himself was sentenced to dead because of his apostasy (according to the Sanhedrin)

@lauratempestini5719

4 жыл бұрын

WimWorldWide 2017 YES!!! In fact HIS NAME is not Jesus H3467 in the Old Testament concordance is YASHA + YA suffix means my YASHIYA translates my salvation

@marychristou6117

4 жыл бұрын

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@marychristou6117

4 жыл бұрын

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