Early Acharonim: Corrections, Questions, and Omissions
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0:00 Intro
0:36 I do not have beef with John Green
1:57 Ashkenazim in the Ottoman Empire
4:18 Kabbalah today
5:26 Tattoos and cemeteries
7:09 Correction: more than one synagogue in Amsterdam
7:35 Correction: Jews in France before 1648
8:21 Jews and the Thirty Years’ War
12:28 Was Spinoza really the first secular Jew?
14:22 Correction: confusing Hillels
14:55 The perils of using untranslated sources
16:39 Modern Hebrew intelligibility
21:08 Conclusion
Пікірлер: 95
Ok that ending made me burst out in laughter... I hope I actually got what you were hinting at right and can't wait!
@andreascovano7742
2 жыл бұрын
What is it?
@navetal
2 жыл бұрын
@@andreascovano7742 Persia/Iran.
“We need to ack-” wait does Persia exist again?
@gibusgamer93
Жыл бұрын
The real Persia was the friends we made along the way
Wait a second, us isrealis only make 10%. How? Also im part of the recent 2000 subs that you got and i got your video as a very obscure suggestion and clicked on it. I was delightfully suprised to hear an objective historical representation of events which is hard to find regarding these events due to political reasons. I love your videos and would love to see a video about the currrent place judaism has in isreal society abd the conflict that rise between the secular and the haredim. If i had money i would support you but ubfortonatly im a soilder (also a good subject because in the army all groups intermingle and they place judaism has become painfully clear in positive and negetive ways)
@SamAronow
2 жыл бұрын
There are only 9 million Israelis and English isn't their first language. Considering that the US only makes up 4 times as many viewers, it's still fair to say that Israel is punching way above its weight in viewership. All that aside, welcome to the channel!
@user-gr9fq9gt9w
2 жыл бұрын
@@SamAronow Well, most of the video are translated into Hebrew. (Although there are many many grammar mistakes) ואגב, כנ"ל. כשאסיים צבא, אני כנראה אתמוך בערוץ הזה.
@Teapoid
2 жыл бұрын
@@SamAronow and people like me! I’m a random English speaker from Montenegro who discovered this channel through other channels and I like Jewish history!
Great series and video! Pedantic correction: At 10:50 you said "the War never came" to Italy. This isn't true. Beginning with the First Genoese-Savoyard War in 1625, fighting in the Thirty Years' War would continually spill over into the Italian theatre. Whilst the Italian theatre never reached the scale of the German theatre, and, for similar reasons outlined in the video, the War had little impact on the Jewish community, it nevertheless is wrong to dismiss this fascinating theatre of the Thirty Years' War. If you're interested, I'd recommend Gregory Hanlon's 'The Hero of Italy' and 'Italy 1636' for more on this subject. Sorry for the annoying comment and keep up the great work!
@victorvonsteuben1728
2 жыл бұрын
You shouldnt be sorry.
Everyone else: I hope this is about Bukharani Jews Me: Where is the compilation of Sam saying “at this point we need to acknowledge that Persia exists”? Seriously though, I’m so excited for the next video. I’ve been watching your videos nonstop for the past month and can’t wait to learn more.
really hope that the next side quest video is about the Bukharin jews Siberian Jews would also be an interesting topic
That ending… I can’t wait
Always enjoy your stuff! Love what you said about untranslated sources. The challenge is real.
@kinok5927
2 жыл бұрын
Great to see the two best history channels on KZread at once, following one another. Your videos are a true gift.
Looking forwards for a series on the history of the Hebrew language.
You got a few mentions on Reddit recently...r/Judaism, r/Jews etc. Awesome channel, thanks for the great work.
My first thought in the earlier episode when you said 'John Green was wrong,' was that he would have said 'I know.' Recent events have increased my appreciation of reading history and I enjoy finding out that new research brings new light to past events, Also that it is impossible to know everything or even close about many parts of our collective past.
I just found this channel be the KZread algorithm I find it extremely interesting.as a middle aged Protestant I know almost nothing about Jewish history. Your presentation is interesting and informative. Thank you for sharing this with me.
A sub series about the history of Hebrew sounds interesting and the ending was so intriguing! But the best part was the praise of M. Laser. If anyone here doesn't know his channel yet, what are you doing?
your channel is so underrated need more suds
I've been watching this series since the begining, and must say: every episode i have that feeling of when you finish reading a good book, you know...
Because you've discussed where your followers are and how we've come to your channel, I'll mention that I'm in the U.S. I'm a Protestant Christian (Methodist). I've taught biblical history in my church's adult "Sunday School" (weekly voluntary classes). So, that involves mentioning early worship of deities such as El and Ashera, how Astart became Aphrodite, the worship of Baal, and other aspects of Canaanite and Phoenician culture, as well as the debate about the Moses story, the history of the two kingdoms of Israel and Judah, and the Babylonian Captivity. Because I've watched other videos on those topics, the KZread algorithm suggested your "God(s) of Israel (900-720 BCE). After watching that episode, I clicked out to your channel to see what else you've covered, and found not the old testament or biblical history channel I first assumed I'd found, but an extensive and well-researched channel on the span of Jewish history! As a Christian, my education about Jewish history through my church only extended through the Second Temple period to the fall of Jerusalem in 70 CE. What little I knew about events after that consisted of what little was covered in American high school and college world history classes about the crusades and various episodes of persecution. So far I've binge-watched from your first episode through this one. I've learned more detail about Jewish history before the fall of the Second Temple, and vast tracts of the history since then are completely new to me. Thank you! I look forward to watching the rest of the series (so far) in the coming days, and likely going back through them all and taking notes.
A few days later and I'm still hooked. So many names I recognize!
@ravendreaming3966
2 ай бұрын
YOOOOOOO THE RETURN OF PERSIA
Very excited for your video on the history of Hebrew, are you planning to touch on Diaspora languages too? Episodes on Judeo-Tat, Judeo-Italian dialects, and Ladino/Haketia would be fantastic. If you’re interested in judeo-Italian I would recommend Grammatica storica delle parlate giudeo-italiane by Marcello Aprile, which unfortunately is only available in Italian
I just had a serious brain fart around 7:20 Sam: "It was called Nave Shalom..." Me: (Instinctively waves and says "Shalom" back)
@12SPASTIC12
2 жыл бұрын
That's hilarious. To be fair, his tone of voice really sounded like he was addressing someone.
The last part was the best. Loved your point of view.
Keep the good work up
I am super excited for Hebrew historilinguistics videos.
I'm so excited that you're pausing the modern period for now to highlight histories of various communities. I'm also looking forward to the Hebrew language video!
Nice saw this right as I'm getting off work
As an Orthodox Jew and outreach professional, i would not equate shas, charaidie , Orthodox Jews with Kabbalists. Many Orthodox Jews do not believe or abide by rituals via amulets or any other "segula" like idea. I believe thats its unfair to group us together when there is such a diversity of views within the religious jewish community. You also should know better as someone who has studied the history and has learned of all the subgroups and philosophical thought that has existed throughout time. I hear undertones of Israel politics and voting disagreements is all. Anyhow, fascinated by your videos and like what you create a lot. I learn a ton! Thanks for making your videos.
Another job well done.
Dang it I wanted to see a Sam John slap down
Wow only 300 years left and still a lot to cover.
Thank god for Sam Aronow
So I've been bulldozing through these videos, having only recently found the channel. Loving the format, loving the history. I do have a question based on some of the things I've been hearing in your own speech: What's your favorite Zelda game?
21:39 Was that a teaser for Bukharian/Persian Jews?
nice vid!! greetings from Perú!
That series on the linguistic history of Hebrew sounds fascinating. Doesn't look like it's out yet, though?
Have a good rosh Hashanah and yom Kippur
Can’t wait for Judaism in Ethiopia episode
The ending 😁
where is the flag you used for the ottoman empire in 10:44 from?
I would like to see you do a video on Irish Jews
that ending! are you filling in on the talmudic and geonic period? something later?
At 5:49 you define minhag. To say a minhag has no actual basis in Jewish law is misleading. Some are in fact specifically related to jewish law, sometimes a stringency that is not generally required. Some minhagim have very serious force, and are not taken lightly. Tattoos are just flat out forbidden and according to very prominent rabbis, a flat-out Torah prohibition. Henna tattoos are differnet in nature being both temporary and more like drawing on the surface rather than scratching the skin.
Persia side quest? Have you even mentioned Persia since the final war?
In the safed circle and when Hebrew was started to be spoken in Palestine, wich variaty of Hebrew was spoken? Ashkenazi? Sephardic? Perhaps something like inspired by the Masoretic text?
@SamAronow
2 жыл бұрын
Sephardic.
I don’t know where the tattoo/cemetery thing came from, but it’s been going around for a long time. I even heard there was a special dispensation for Holocaust survivors with camp number tattoos. If you follow some Israeli Instagrammers, you’ll see that the tattoo industry there is doing very good business.
@GeneaVlogger
2 жыл бұрын
The tattoo myth was very prevalent in the Jewish communities in North Carolina too. While not exactly the same thing, the chevra kadisha for the cemetery in Alliance, New Jersey decided to bury Monye Bokal (a founder of Am Olam) outside of the cemetery because he was leader of the secular Jews in the area and there was a major rift in the community between the religious families and the secular families at that time. That actually makes me curious as well, are you related to the Brotman's who founded Brotmanville in Alliance?
@matthewbrotman2907
2 жыл бұрын
@@GeneaVlogger no, I’m not.
@salineademoiselledefortune9766
2 жыл бұрын
I heard the tattoo/cemetery thing too from my parents and I live in France so it's not a myth in just the US.
UK viewers, represent!
"We need to acknowledge that..." "GORDON LIVES!" ?
Cant wait til you get to the gaon of vilna
@ilayohana3150
2 жыл бұрын
then i shouldnt
Love you videos! Just a small correction Isaiah was a brother to hezekiah not a cousin. There is a fascinating story with how he became his father in law in the gemora , as he he had a vision that he would have have a bad seed and refused to marry convinced that a marriage with the prophets daughter would help (it didn’t he son was Menashe) rashi continues the story of how he would carry his twin boys on his shoulders to school and overheard them making fun of his bald head -in a fit he threw them off killing one and menashe survived
@SamAronow
2 жыл бұрын
The Gemara (Sotah 10b, verse 3) says it is Amoz, Isaiah's father, who was the brother of King Amaziah.
@user-ln9yo9sh5d
2 жыл бұрын
@@SamAronow Amamzia? wow that is way back, how old was isaiah, not only he was the cousin of his great-grandfather Hezekeiah married late, that's a big gap. (btw this chart you're making that was mention in usefulcarts video, is the chart you put in this video of the kings is part of it?, CAUSE IF YES I'M EXITED. i actually left something to help you in that video, no idea if he told you. about that I saw in your original useful charts video (about the herodian and hasmonean dynasties) that Simon the just was in the onaiads family, which is weird for me cause i heard he was Mathew's grandfather, therefore a Hasomnean, do you know something about that?)
@SamAronow
2 жыл бұрын
I did see that. However, Simon the Just would have only been a young child at best during Alexander's conquests, so I suspect that the high priest depicted in the mosaic is in fact his grandfather Jaddua. For lack of any other information, it's entirely possible that Simon was Matthew's maternal grandfather, but witthout a source, I can't properly include it.
@user-ln9yo9sh5d
2 жыл бұрын
@@SamAronow i know that, but and there is a big but, the mosaic was build in the times of the talmud and we can guess that the people wanted to make this meeting from the talmud, so even if historically is wrong, the people still probably made Simon. in an other note, i noticed you put the letters also in Hezekaiah spot and i was wandering why you didn't put pictures, is it a stand holder? or you just perfer letters? and lastly, let me find a source for you
@user-ln9yo9sh5d
2 жыл бұрын
@@SamAronow it seems that his paternal grandfather was called Simon father of Jhon (maybe THE jhon the high priest from the talmuf but eh) and the book i read when i was a kid just connected the name with Simon the just. i also read now that there is a historian called Dr. Chaim Hafetz that thinks that Simon and Jaddua was the same person
PERISA NEXT BABY!
“We’ll talk more about the US in the future” Ooooooh
You say that the kabala became mostly the domain of the Hasidim. what about the middle eastern Jewry, especially in Morocco? after all, Ha'ari came to Zafed from Egypt.
*THAT PERSIA EXISTS*
the video cuts you off in mid sentce a the end.
@nameistanya
8 ай бұрын
i feel like that's the joke there-
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with having a conlang as a language, but I also feel like the term gets thrown around as a perjorative when it isn’t. That said as someone who doesn’t speak or know anything about the language Ghil’ad Zuckermann’s argument that the sentence structure for the Hebrew spoken today has been lifted from Yiddish and doesn’t reflect what you’d expect from a Semitic language or based on written Hebrew from the ancient past does seem convincing. It doesn’t hurt that calling a language Israeli as he does also sounds cool to me. Can you give any insight into this when you do these videos on Hebrew? If not that is cool, I realize this may be getting deeper into the linguistic nuts and bolts than you wish to do.
The history of Hebrew language? *grabs some popcorn*
I was expecting a response to the ramchal's supposed gayness other than that, I loved it
לא נראה לי שזה מפתיע ישראלים שאנחנו מיעוט בערוץ שלך, בגלל שכל הערוץ שלך באנגלית. ואני בדיוק עמדתי לשאול מתי תיגע בעוד יהודים כמו בוכרים קפקזים גרוזינים ואתיופים אבל אני רואה שאתה על זה .
@danieltsiprun8080
2 жыл бұрын
@@chimera9818 כן כנראה שאתה צודק
Al muqadimmas recomendation here
Side quest videos lol
-that Persia exists
Most Israeli's have tattoos these days:)
Algorithm!!!
Im a viewer from the us but im not jewish
Oh damn, was India about to exist? Good ending-
Sam, are you Hasidic by chance?
Sad to say that Chabad is the first real thing I think of when I think modern Jewish communities.
In Maryland we have to cover the coffin.
@SamAronow
2 жыл бұрын
What do you mean by "cover?" And why Maryland?
@shadowbadgercat
2 жыл бұрын
@@SamAronow I live in Maryland, US, and by law a coffin has to be /closed/ on top
@shadowbadgercat
2 жыл бұрын
So by law you can’t have open casket. I wonder how that happened
@SamAronow
2 жыл бұрын
Oh, I thought this might have to do with Judaism and tattoos.