What gadget do you most want to get an E Ink makeover?

@adeebmd5701

6 ай бұрын

Kinda miss my pebble

@crachor

6 ай бұрын

Smartwatches need to bring it back, in force.

@bagassaadillah

6 ай бұрын

Bring back pebble with e ink tech 😢

@scottbmcqueen

6 ай бұрын

I want a color bulletin board with a plexy cover so you can use dry erase markers on it.

@madscola

6 ай бұрын

smart watches!

We need E ink patents to expire

@zukacs

6 ай бұрын

most of them did

@erifetim

6 ай бұрын

weird that they didn‘t even mention it

@mindbeast971

6 ай бұрын

instead they interview the sales contact of the company, sigh😊

@Jeez001

6 ай бұрын

Yeah parents are what prevented LED, OLED, LCD for every catching on 😂. Eink just didn't catch on because of its limitations.

@MrAmitkr007

6 ай бұрын

​@@Jeez001e ink parents were very disciplinary

I can't believe the verge would get this wrong, the Pebble WAS NOT E-INK. They used transflective memory LCDs, similar in appearance to e-ink, BUT STILL LCD!!

@pawepiat6170

6 ай бұрын

Which is another underused tech. So far only saw it on pebbles, garmins, and the playdate. Maybe some 2010s car systems?

@solidunit

6 ай бұрын

They’re not tech people

@theglimy

6 ай бұрын

Didn't knew this exist. But on their KS campaign "The new color e-paper display is easy to read and always-on, perfect for displaying incoming notifications and your favorite watchface. Compared with display technology like LCD or OLED, power consumption is minimized, enabling Pebble Time"

@MentalEdge

6 ай бұрын

@@theglimy epaper is not eink. It's a term they made up since "transflective memory LCD" doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.

@gonnermaleggies

6 ай бұрын

I don't think they actually said it was an E-Ink smartwatch, just that _Pebbled paved the way for one_, meaning that without Pebble, we might not have the existing E-Ink smartwatches of today.

When the CO_2 monitor was shown at 6:17 it displayed 1410 ppm which is not healthy. Above 1000 ppm people lose concentration and at 1500 you start to get headaches. Also, 1410 means around 1 in 40 breaths were in someone else's lungs already, so there's that that for the spread of respiratory pathogens. The Verge should commit to improve air quality in their offices by employing mechanical ventilation in addition to HEPA filters in order to comply with the latest ASHRAE regulations.

@DangerFieldProd

5 ай бұрын

In the following few frames it then shows 1844. In other shots it shows between 690 and 770.

@markjacobs1086

16 сағат бұрын

​@@DangerFieldProdIf you breathe on it, you can max it out! 😂 They're not super useful when setup directly next to a breathing person.

I really want a folding phone with bigger eInk display inside and normal oled display outside , so that instead of carrying kindle , we can utilise our phone itself for reading books during commute while saving battery as well

@AbhishekMukherjee

6 ай бұрын

Was thinking the same. Also if the phones or tablets had e-paper displays in the back case part. The colors could be changed, or it could serve as an e-reader.

@gabriel1rodrigues2

6 ай бұрын

The reverse would be insteresting too. A foldable like z-flip. Oled inside, e-ink outside. The outside can be always on, and you can see notifications and dimiss them at will.

@Anuj_Tomar

6 ай бұрын

@@gabriel1rodrigues2yeah wish it becomes mainstream, but there not many fans of non OLED tech , it did picked ip traction earlier, yota phone, eink cases , but all those companies got closed, maybe bigger corps should try again and atleast have it as an option albeit even at a slight premium

@Hexagonian

6 ай бұрын

i remember seeing a phone like that, or maybe a phone CASE like that. i don't remember who made it though

@whataweirdrequirement

2 ай бұрын

This is my dream phone.

"maybe the goal is not to replace all screens, but just the ones that make sense" - so true

I have been obsessed with e ink for years, seeing the kindle as a kid was the first piece of tech that I thought "oh my god they made sci-fi real". I saw the rise and fall of pebble, and I still think that an e ink smartwatch remains the best design. I have a kindle now but to be honest I spend more time marveling at the display itself than reading anything on it.

@gabriel1rodrigues2

6 ай бұрын

E-ink smart watches is the smartest move of them all. You can show the hour at all times. And the refresh rate is 1 frame per minute. So you can save battery to the other coolthings it can do.

@shyam163

5 ай бұрын

pebble was was a kind of lcd

But what if the back of my phone was an e-ink display? Instead of adding skin decals or cases if I wanted to change the look of my phone I could just select something

@davidyang9902

6 ай бұрын

and it can even be used to show notifications or the time always on display

@zaphenath6756

6 ай бұрын

there have been several phones like that already

@Damonst3r68

6 ай бұрын

It already exists

I don't want light to keep streaming into my eyeballs all day, big fan of e-ink

@asystole_

6 ай бұрын

I have bad news for you about how human vision works...

@oo--7714

6 ай бұрын

​@@asystole_you already know what he means. No need to be obtuse.

As great as the OLED on my smartwatch looks, it's totally overkill for something I just glance for a second or two a handful of times a day. I'm BEGGING for an eink smartwatch that could run for weeks between charges.

@khopskins

6 ай бұрын

My garmin instinct 2 watch gets 21 days on a charge.

@georgekontogiannis4091

4 ай бұрын

There used to be a company that made it, called pebble.

@idontwantcorporateretaliat6301

4 ай бұрын

I have a fossil hybrid. I think ti can go 2 wks maybe.

@hr1100

4 ай бұрын

My Garmin watch is used 24/7 (literally) and to track running sessions (GPS), and lasts almost 2 weeks on a charge. Has oled screen.

@Project2457official

7 күн бұрын

Agreed. Half the point of the convenience of a watch is lost when you have to charge it every day.

Increasingly I think the limits are being arbitrarily defined by what Amazon limits what its Kindle devices can do. It seems they’re starting to respond to the rest of the market with the Kindle Scribe, but it’s too little too late.

I've been a user of Kindle for a long time, been waiting for a a great E-ink color display for graphic novels/art books.

I use a Remarkable 2 ePaper tablet daily- e-ink for productivity is (to me, someone who is easily distracted) unbeatable!

E-Ink is super great for utility purposes! Put it as signs around the world, not just regular TV'S

Happy to see the BOOX color e-ink stuff getting some attention. I love mine and take it everywhere. So much nicer for note taking and reading than an iPad.

@JohnDoe-xc5kn

6 ай бұрын

I wish it could support more sophisticated note taking techniques like backlinks, or trackers, without needing a keyboard.

I hate the question of eink replacing traditional displays. No, of course they can't replace them! They're made for a different use case. They can exist alongside LED displays for more specific purposes, ones that benefit from mostly static images and text that need to be changed sometimes, but that don't require dynamic animations.

E ink is honestly such a good technology. Right now the only thing for venting me from wanting to fully switch most of my every day things to it is that I am stuck in the Apple ecosystem.

@Nayson

6 ай бұрын

I’m sure Apple will invent e-ink within a decade.

@michaeljurwin

6 ай бұрын

xD I would love an e-ink iPhone and iPad.

@tamie341

6 ай бұрын

I'm sorry but thats hilarious and ridiculous at the same time. Stop buying into the stupid marketing bs all these companies push. You can buy any products you want even if they aren't Apple products...

@kittipai1632

6 ай бұрын

What a sad life you must lead to be caged into a commercial ploy by your own admission. Do what you want, use what helps you.

A little more history: “The story of E-Ink begins in the 1970s when Xerox’s Palo Alto Research Center (PARC) started working on the development of electronic paper. The idea was to create a display that could be easily updated with new information, but still have the look and feel of traditional paper. This early research led to the development of Gyricon, a type of electronic paper that used rotating bichromal beads to display images and text. However, Gyricon was limited in its capabilities and never gained widespread adoption.”

@mrjiophone4987

6 ай бұрын

Everywhere i hear about a new technology, it traces itself back to one name XEROX

I keep waiting for a form factor like the Readius, a prototype I saw over 10 years ago. It was a rollable e ink display. Would be the perfect small reader.

2:22. that illustration was seriously awesome. it's right out of science-fiction and steampunk blueprints

Aren't there transparent OLED displays? How about putting a transparent OLED display in front of a color eink display, and being able to switch modes between eink and oled, so when you wanna watch a video, you can use the oled, but for regular stuff you can use the eink display?

@whiteglitch

6 ай бұрын

even better the switch could happen automatically depending on the app you run

@ConfuSomu

6 ай бұрын

@@whiteglitchor the switching could automatically happen after a while of no change, also based on the current activity. maybe some parts of the display could be e-ink while other, changing parts, could stay OLED?

Early in the pandemic time frame I bought myself a digital audío device that ran Android so i could play both my large local collection of music and still stream if needed and an android based eink tablet. I wanted to get off my phone more, not be distracted by notifications coming on over w/e I was listening to and still be able to read when light sensitivity is high. Some of the best investments in myself I have made.

Love my e-ink device for reading and note taking. The problem comes with task switching - as soon as I need to do something that's not great on e-ink, I need to move to another device. I'm all for specialised devices, but they're also expensive.

I still daily drive one of those old pre-Kindle Sony E-Readers, I had to replace the battery and the official store closed down years ago, but it's still going strong.

how does something like VS code look on an e-paper display ? I imagine, Developers looking at code whole day could use this as it is mostly text

Pebble watches never used E Ink (unless there's a model I'm unaware of). [edit: I suppose the video phrases it as "paved the way for an E Ink smartwatch", rather than outright calling it E Ink] They all used transflective memory LCDs (sometimes branded as "e-paper"); meaning LCDs that could both reflect and transmit light (so you could use a backlight), and had on-board per-pixel memory to retain an image and allow for partial updates. They still require a(n extremely low) of current to keep displaying that image. (Nevertheless, that's close enough for similar kinds of "static image displayed continuously" applications, while having faster refreshes.) The Playdate uses the same screen tech (albeit purely reflective, not transflective).

Man meta manages to advertise everywhere dont they?

The video I have been waiting for :). Love e-ink. Need more in my life lol

I'm in love with the narration in this video. I'm not sure what her name is, but I hope she does more videos in the future

The only problem with the use of "electronic paper" is that other manufacturers (notably Pebble, as someone else also commented,) use the term "e-paper" or "electronic paper" to refer to completely different technologies.

Waiting for dem Harry Potter newspapers to come to life

@jeffersonmp4

6 ай бұрын

Exactly!

Purple is objectively the best color

"Are you pausing this video to read these?" Owen knows us too well.

@OwenGrove

6 ай бұрын

Lol ayyy

would love a flip-esque phone with one oled and one e-ink display tbh

Loved the video. Very useful! Thank you

I have a new Boox color tablet. I really like it, and I like what its done for me too. I've developed a pretty alarming KZread habit over the years. Before I got this tablet I was averaging over 70 hours a week watching KZread. I wanted to get back to reading, writing, and more active ways of consuming. The Boox tablet has really helped in this regard. Now I'm averaging about 15 hours a week on KZread, some of that on my Boox Note Air 3C. My reading has increased exponentially, and I'm actually working on writing projects I've been putting off for years. Eye strain is way down too. For me, the e-ink devices really might be able to replace traditional monitors.

I love how long they last. I could see this technology being good for long trips, camping, and survival.

5:44 I was surprised

Loving mny new Onyx Boox Palma! Installed KDE Connect and Syncthing, plus KOReader synced with Calibre on my laptop. Set up a virtual network with ZeroTier, so now all my devices are connected and in sync. Note-taking using Obsidian and KOReader for easy highlights export.

Anyone remember Western Digital's My Book Elite drives? They were external USB drives that have e-ink displays so you can digitally label the drive and also shows how much storage space is left. I wish this was a standard feature by now.

All I want is (affordable) e-ink wallpaper. Is that so much to ask for?

I’ve been waiting decades for E-Ink tattoos to exist.

Great video as always!

What would be great to know is wether the display has to refresh all particles on the entire screen if movement occurs or only those part of the screen where it does.

Samsung Alias 2. My first cellphone back in 2009. Had an e-ink keyboard.

Nice and relevant ad-break!

Been using the remarkable for almost a year as a student. Definitely agree with the final point she made at the end.

At around 6:14 I seen a smaller Kindle Oasis. Is there two different sizes now? 😮

What we need is an e-ink display that also has OLED. So when off or running an app that doesn’t require low screen latency (like an eReader app) it will use e-ink. Huge battery savings if we could get this to work.

Dope and Quality content right here

I think the MS Surface Duo should've had an e-ink display on the outside. That would have been cool.

They had a real Facebook ad in the video? That is dystopian in the way it was made.

For a very large device just for reading (needing large text) any suggestions?

I wish they had a back link note taking app (like Logseq or Obsidian) that supports writing with a pen in a seamless way.

I am fascinated by e-ink, but here in Brazil we have few options regarding e-readers. Kobo came to Brazil some ten years ago and I bought a Kobo Glo that already had internal lights and read epubs. Kindle came down here a few years later, but I was very happy with my Kobo. Problem is that Kobo left the country, so it´s just Amazon and Kindles now. I like Kindle, but Amazon is too comfortable and the Kindle hasn´t changed that much if you compare it with other companies. We should be able to buy a colored Kindle by now, at least.

We just need an e-ink phone case… ie one side of your phone and then there is a companion app for the opposite side… your case. Would be rad for book reading, and fun dynamic wallpapers or various informational widgets

@luckycatdad8369

Ай бұрын

It exists already, has for years.

Finally bought a 11th gen Kindle, it's amazing.

It’ll never replace much better displays. But its features make it amazing enough for me at least. Really want to get an affordable e ink android to mess with but mainly use for reading the news.

Fab video, super interesting and educational! Apropos of nothing, why two watches??

They should put e-ink on the back of an iPhone

@luckycatdad8369

Ай бұрын

There's a case you can buy that does that.

I just want a 5” display i can attach to my fridge that can alternate between showing a calendar in the morning and whats for dinner like a restaurant menu in the evening. Something that looks inoffensive (no visible branding on the outside) mounts simply, charges simply and i can customise/control from my phone through a wifi connection. Does this exist? Not that I’ve seen 😢

@luckycatdad8369

Ай бұрын

Boox Palma is closer to 6" but it's essentially a fully fledged Android tablet that can do everything a phone without a sim card can do.

I really enjoyed this. Victoria’s great.

Tcl has one advance technology called Nxtpaper. Basically an LCD display with advantage of E ink

I want a colour e ink phone so bad

put this on front part of fold able phones. it would be perfect in battery life.

Dasung has a new tablet/secondary monitor(quite small) that "seems" to have a really, really good refresh rate. Non color. The videos framerates look very good.

Why hasn't anyone yet used it as a display for synthesizers. Would be great.

06:04 please tell me where to buy this

Is there a colour e-ink tablet/reader in the 10-12" range? Really hoping for one for magazines and comics.

@Alexchii

6 ай бұрын

Onyx boox note air 3 c

Great video! Hate the ads in the middle

@luckycatdad8369

Ай бұрын

You got ads? You don't use Sponsorblock?

I'm going to be shopping for an e ink phone this year. I want android but I don't want to get sucked Into scrolling tik toks for hours. I started a college course and seeing the grip oled videos can get over you, and feeling it a bit, is scary. That intentionality is so important

@luckycatdad8369

Ай бұрын

Boox Palma.

@RobinThomson277

Ай бұрын

@@luckycatdad8369 the Palma has everything EXCEPT a network radio and SIM card. It's beautiful... I wish I could phone people on it.

@luckycatdad8369

Ай бұрын

@@RobinThomson277 oh right, it can't take a sim card. You could still phone people over wifi, but that's not as convenient I suppose.

@RobinThomson277

Ай бұрын

@@luckycatdad8369 true and tragic. Hopefully there's a new hisense eink phone they did a few a couple years ago 🤞🤞🤞

This video ironically gives me eye strain and makes me realize how much I could benefit from getting back into e-ink.

as a musican i would like to use a e-ink tablet to replace my 10kg of sheet music i carry around with me regularly

More of this host! I didn’t really like the whole screens comparison but I get that the general public needs to understand the difference to be able to understand that it’s not a replacement for smartphones/tv’s. I think it would be helpful to have talked about what it could be used for in the future. I think all the examples of its current use in products and prototypes is interesting but if we are talking about the future then we should be looking at the reality that this will be the cheap alternative for alarm clock display like appliances. That real mass adoption will be everywhere that no one will notice it or care. Right now it’s not cheap enough or high tech enough and it’s corporate branding under E Ink, so people will add it to their branding but I think most of the tech will be in devices like a microwave and dishwasher where they don’t put “capacitive touch” in the name or even the main marketing. It will just be a tech spec, with as much relevance to consumers as types of Lithium batteries. One is obviously better for an iPhone vs a pacemaker but no mainstream consumer knows what battery their device has or what the drawbacks/benefits of the options are. They don’t even care about battery replacement lifespan. They just throw it away or take it to the Genius Bar. Look at AirTags. Battery life is a couple years and the batteries need to uncoated. This leads every Amazon review section for CR2032 batteries to be spammed with 1 star “doesn’t work for AirTag” comments. My point is, that like batteries, people won’t care about the display type for 99% of the consumer products that e-ink will be used for commercially in the future. E-Ink will be a huge company but its technology will be invisible. People might google LED vs OLED if they’re buying a TV but they won’t google “E-Ink” vs LCD for their washing machine or air fryer.

E-ink makes a lot of sense for signs, and it's obviously great for long form content on e-readers. I'm not sure color e-readers make a lot of sense until the technology improves. All the color e-ink displays I've seen have looked washed-out, which isn't ideal for things like comics and newspapers, for example.

E Ink display in a Smart watch is really good

Is there a tablet or monitor that i can use google on??

Magnadoodle? Oh you KIDS, you should remember ETCH A SKETCH!

Can't wait for the innovation once rhe patents run out in 2026. Also prices will come down as the bulk of the cost is the single supplier screen.

I love my remarkable. Such a nice viewing experience.

Now do the pico projectors. They were to be *the* thing back in the days. We were told they'd be embeded inside our phones. What happened?

Tbh epaper displays don’t give me motion sickness while on a train but light emitting displays do

When they can get the price down a little more on tablets this will probably do a lot better

This is a V Song ink appreciation comment

Honest e ink readers are dope

Where can I get the CO2 monitor

Wait… what was that weird meta-Facebook infomercial / 25th frame?

Using E-Ink gadgets gives vintage vibes

I have always though E-Ink would be great for school textbooks. Especially the color ones since it would be kept to scientific drawings and diagrams for the most part. In addition to that, you can have simple animations for math problems and other concepts.

I had no idea there were e ink smartwatches, I reckon they probably look better than lcd/oled

@LackofFaithify

4 ай бұрын

There weren't. The verge is made of idiots. Pebble was as much of an E-Ink display as Flipper the dolphin was a grey nurse shark.

We need an iPad mini with a hybrid lcd / e-ink display

Pebble didn’t use E ink. It was low power lcd btw.

yas get that meta money

No discussion of eink smartphones like Hisense A9?

We need it for Sheet Music.

TV - OLED Smartwatch - eInk like earlier amazfit watches / most of garmin/ coros watches Smartphone - oled Foldable smartphone - eInk/oled both , like yota phone , sadly they closed it but that was amazing phone imagine samsung galaxy fold with eInk now , that would be awesome for readers

too bad pebble didn't made it. i Really loved that watch. I was so excited to have the one with colors on it.

I want a folding phone with an e ink cover display.

Yeah, that Dasung display isn't appealing at all once you see the price tag

I see an Eink Ecosystem in my future. A Light Phone 3 an Onyx Boox Palma as my "Reader" A Remarkable Tablet A Fossil Hybrid Watch I want to hit a space where my MacBook Pro is once again the primary means by which I get "online."