The lava that got spilled under the cart at the very end might be due to it having dumped on top of a 7/7 lava tile on a lower z level. Since that lava couldn't go anywhere on the lower z level as it was all filled up, it might have slid around on top until it found a place to settle on. Real question is where the other 1/7 magma went, maybe the area by the stairs.

@Myth0l0gic

Жыл бұрын

That is exactly what happened.

remind people to turn on temperature (if they turned it off for the fps boost) makes working with lava much easier

@kban6748

Жыл бұрын

So maybe im just an idiot... but what does this sentence... mean. I know nothing of that option or what this may entail. And i do need to boost the fps lol

@bcmpinc

Жыл бұрын

Dwarves complain about not being able to reach the minecart with temperature turned off. Though it might be this only happens with the stockpile method of filling minecarts.

@jamjalopie9286

Жыл бұрын

@@kban6748 you can disable a few settings, which improve FPS with tradeoffs. Turning off temperature is one of them. No temperature does speed things up significantly (don't need to model temperature for the whole map anymore!), but makes magma and fire work differently. It still flows, but I believe it doesn't melt/burn things anymore. You can also disable weather - for most biomes, this is free FPS, but disabling weather in an evil biome with evil weather that turns people into zombies is kinda cheating.

@judexe90

Жыл бұрын

@@kban6748 if you have 'temperature' turned off any tile that has had lava on it will remain impassible forever b/c it never gets a chance to cool down. it's necessary if you are using say bridges to flood a small room of carts and then draining the lava, also comes in handy when mining deep

@eugenec1733

Жыл бұрын

@@kban6748 The game calculates the temperature of every bit of clothing, etc. so turning off temp sensing can help as will turning off weather effects. Stair design, Atom smashing excess inventory, are all ways to improve FPS Too many animals, the game calculates lots of data points for every object in the game.

A video idea: how to equip and skill a fortress reclamation expedition (as I’ve never done that before) so like, what considerations do you need to make-do critters or enemies inhabit the location after it falls/is abandoned? If it fell to a beast will that still be there? So you need to spec into combat from the start? Is all the stuff from the previous fortress still there? do you construct a temporary surface fort to build up population before re-entering the previous fort proper?

@kban6748

Жыл бұрын

So while i am not a great player and cant rly help, Nookrium also has a reclamation fort going rn. There may be some insights in that one that will help.

@okonkwojones

Жыл бұрын

@@kban6748 ty

@kban6748

Жыл бұрын

@@okonkwojones np, hope it helps!

You can add a stop on a route anywhere, you don't need a trackstop constructed to use it as a stop in your route. You only need a physical track stop when you need the cart to dump or apply friction. Also, if you force a derailment (for example only build track up onto the the floor out of the pit, don't continue it down and around), the dwarfs will haul the minecart to the next stop. They will move very slowly, but it can be way easier than trying to build track to where you want the lava to end up.

@BlindiRL

Жыл бұрын

you do for brakes though.

@tokmor7487

Жыл бұрын

Indeed, that's the friction part like I said. Specifically in your video, the first stop doesn't need to be an actual track stop, you could just put the cart there before it's pushed off into the lava.

@Mirality

Жыл бұрын

DF is a little confusing in that regard. When you're setting a cart route you do need to specify a "stop" where the route begins, but this can be any tile, it does not have to be a constructed "track stop". You only actually need the latter if you want to slow or dump a moving cart.

After a lot of trial and error, I managed to get this to work using 2-z level deep lava trench + powered rollers to pull the minecart uphill. I needed to use a a waterwheel reactor down at -100 depth to power the rollers, but the system is automated and good enough to slowly fill my lava trenches 80-z levels up. The problem I was having with the method in the video was that my minecarts would get stuck in the lava trench most of time, no idea if it depends which dwarf kicks the minecart. I tried using some tricks to get the magma to 6/7, but then my minecarts would not always fill up.

@michalec1974

9 ай бұрын

Same problem here. Have tried 1 and 2 wide lava trench but same thing. carts siting in the lava. Will fiddle with it a bit more then give up and use a screw pump to make a fill room.

@redmonsoon8228

5 ай бұрын

How did you get the carts out of the lava? I'm running into the same problem but don't know how to clear the area to begin fixing it.@@michalec1974

“It appears somebody has been missing for a week, I’m sure that’s fine”

oh god the paintbrush holding thing is the biggest tip for me here, the constant cancellations are so annoying, thank you

In regards to the minecart getting stuck in the lava trench. Have you tried having the initial stop (or start, if you will), be a few layers above the trench, so the cart gains a bit more momentum on the way down? Perhaps then it's less likely to get stuck in the lava. (Like what happened a few times in Tourshadows)

@skiaelafris759

Жыл бұрын

There is a max speed at which carts can be going and get filled, and it is pretty low.

If having it move down a ramp into the lava (no push), how high does the ramp need to be?

The dumping it out confused me. Would I not be wanting to haul the minecart via railway to a location elsewhere, for example a premade pit for a magma furnace?

@julianb4157

Жыл бұрын

Yes, you wouldn't usually dump it back out in a circle like this. This vid is teaching how to fill and how to empty (or not) the lava cart. You then decide where to dump it - like a magma furnace pit - in your own fortress. This is just a quick simplification.

Thank you!! I finally got my magma transport system working after like 20 hours of trying. Mostly because every step involved a climb down to z level -118. But also because I had a lot of bugged terrain or something where dwarves thought that something was inaccessible even when it was clearly accessible… I ended up making a contraption with a water reactor powering rollers that took the cart through a pool of magma before being hauled to the top level. (And when it goes back down for more it always kills a cat or two on the way down.) Your way is a lot simpler. Can any creatures get through a murder hole carved into smooth rock? That’s how I got lava in without letting anything else in… so far.

This was simplified enough to understand. Other longer tutorials of lava filling are folks huge projects. One thing I'd like to see is how to set up a good magma pit for the unusable 🗑

Loving this series of videos!

Of course you post this just in time after I already had to figure this out 3 days ago! I used drawbridge to control magma flow, and had the minecarts in the channel waiting. The magma then filled the carts, I drained it, and had to wait for the residual magma to evaporate. I didn't think a kick would make it through two tiles of magma. This is way faster!

@Wanderer1258

Жыл бұрын

The same thing with me. I watched another tutorial, and did as it told. Using drawbridges and waiting for lawa evaporate takes a long time indead. I also aked myself: why use drawbridges when there are floodgates, which do the same job and also work with levers? I also carved a long track in the floor, which goes also the way up to my base, and it worked decently, except that dwarves with minecarts used to bump into cats and other dwarves, spilling magma and making the whole process even longer. Then I decided to widen the pass to prevent bumping (1 tile for tarcks and the other for creatures to walk. And from that I got another bug: dwarves started hauling heavy minecarts in their hands instead of pushing them on the tracks. I don't know why it's happening. )

@atmosdwagon4656

Жыл бұрын

@@Wanderer1258 The reason you use drawbridges over floodgates is because a raised drawbridge with no open space directly above it is indestructible, while a floodgate can be destroyed by any monster that has the door/portal destruction ability. (there are variants of these native to lava and water alike) Because of this property, there's little reason to use floodgates for much of anything, save possibly safety for low-pressure, fully-secured waterworks within your fortress.

@Wanderer1258

Жыл бұрын

@@atmosdwagon4656 Thank you for the tip! I use floodgates, because it for me it's aesthetically pleasing. But it's usefull to know.

@atmosdwagon4656

Жыл бұрын

@@Wanderer1258 I prefer floodgates for aesthetic reasons myself, but use drawbridges when it could compromise fort security too easily.

i channel and smooth fortify a tunnel off the map fill the room and just wait till its all drained off and dried up, its slower but effective and less moving parts as well as less points of failure

So I tried the same setup and the results were that it was successful about 1/2 the time,. The unsuccessful runs were split evenly between the minecart getting stuck at the bottom of the channel, and the minecart successfully ending at the right location but with no magma in it.

@horsethief822

10 ай бұрын

How did you hook the cart out when it was stuck in the lava? I'm having the same issue.

can you carve the minecart rail into the stone or do you need to build tracks

@fpypnts

Жыл бұрын

You have to smooth the stone first and then carve. More steps, sometimes just easier to build it depending on how far your materials are

@alichi101

Жыл бұрын

@@fpypnts no need to smooth. You just smooth to remove the engraved tracks

If I wanted to transport water this way instead of by pump or aqueduct for whatever reason could I fill a Minecart with water?

@ihavetonsils1

Жыл бұрын

It would take absolutely forever, but you could do it. But usually there is any easier way to move water with gravity and a few pumps, since you can usually get water at the top of the map but not the bottom. Magma is of course the reverse.

Is there a reason to use fortifications over vertical iron bars?

@eugenec1733

Жыл бұрын

Building destroyers can break vert iron bars if IRC. A combo might work, Fortification 1st then Iron bars. I've heard using Horizontal bars and a pump is bullet proof for critters.

@Shokkur

Жыл бұрын

I think that works because apparently building destroyers cannot destroy things on a z-level above them. So locked hatches and grates are invincible to anything coming from below. …I hope, because I do that a lot! Has always worked so far though.

why not use a bridge with a lava safe material instead of the fortifications?

Hi! As of today, my minecart is getting stuck in the lava trench with the exact same setup as you, why could this be happening? Thanks for the amazing tutorials

@BlindiRL

Жыл бұрын

My assumption is the dwarves are not strong enough to kick the cart far enough. From my testing (this used to work perfectly in older versions) it seems to be like 1 in 50 of my dwarves get it stuck.

@franciscoferriols9991

Жыл бұрын

@@BlindiRL OK! good to know thanks :) I will try to play around elevations to get the cart to move fsster

You said minecarts cant turn while going uphill, but they definitely can ftr.

it worked

Thanks, now I know how I'm gonna bring it on surface.

What do you do once you get the magma?

@EricHonaker

Жыл бұрын

You can use this as a method to fill up a space elsewhere to power magma furnaces/forges/kilns/etc. Or fill up a moat (would take a while). Or traps. Whatever you want to use magma for, really.

@bodyguardik

Жыл бұрын

Can lava be transported using pipes?

@eugenec1733

Жыл бұрын

@@bodyguardik From the WIKI Pipes, or pipe sections, are used as components in the construction of screw pumps. You can't build pipes by themselves in the current version, nor connect them to form a conduit - to move water or magma from one place to another, see aqueduct.

Lava shotgun is just an insane thing to consider

Nice, informative as usual. However it would've been better (only in my opinion) if you had used the words as written, when you say kick it is actually written as "push off" and when you say push the cart it is written as "guide" etc. I don't know if your words are the old DF language or whether I am missing something but I was confused for a while.. otherwise thank you very much, I love your content even the 10hr vods!

Apparently lava takes a long time to disappear at 1/7. Maybe 10min+

@ihavetonsils1

Жыл бұрын

It does take a long long time, better to kick the minecart through the channel than have to wait for evaporation

Is there a reason to do this? Scoop up lava, pour it back in. I don't get it.

I would love to see you rig up a mine cart lava gun, that would be really fun

Cool, i can use that once i figure out why my minecarts are not working lol

Why did he build fortifications at the lava enterence rather than grates?

@cinifiend

Жыл бұрын

building destroyers can destroy grates but they can't destroy fortifications. A few of them live in the lava and will occasionally come onto your map.

@p0xus

Жыл бұрын

@@cinifiend hmmmmmm. interesting.... and concerning

@travisgarrett8819

7 ай бұрын

if it is 7/7 they will just swim through fortifications anyways@@cinifiend

BTW, there's a mod that fixes the invisible minecart bug. ;)

lava minecarts

you just need to stop the cart with lava and remove it from the route. then dwarfs can take it anywhere, even to the surface or wherever you want to build a magma smelter or forge

@eugenec1733

Жыл бұрын

Blind covered that in a minecart bucket vid where he filled minecarts then dumped them into a single trenched hole then later built a magma furnace on top

@HeartOfDarkness2013

Жыл бұрын

@@eugenec1733 Apparently I did not notice such a video on this channel.🤷‍♂ Because I only remember MAGMA "BUCKETS" from Twisted Logic Gaming

@eugenec1733

Жыл бұрын

@@HeartOfDarkness2013 You are right I thought "Blind" did it on his channel but I have also been watching Twisted Logic as well.

9:10 why would you want to dump the lava on the left side?

@kalaksed

Жыл бұрын

He means he should have channeled a hole on the left to dump the lava into. That way there wouldn't have been the 1/7 tile of lava spilled under the minecart at the end

@700007123

Жыл бұрын

@@kalaksed Okay that makes sense

Add a mine cart?

Ah yes - An IRON minecart submerged, sitting in lava.

@julianb4157

Жыл бұрын

Iron melts around 1500c, and lava is about 1250c. The cart will be a too damn hot to handle when it comes out, but it won't melt.

I hope you are not an engineer in RL hahaha. thanks for the video it helps me a lot.

@BlindiRL

Жыл бұрын

Nope, just some rando person on youtube and twitch

This works ok, but is a lot less controlled than it could be. I usually setup a bridge on a lever where your fortifications are, and then another at the other end facing a large room. Then you can place minecarts stationary at the bottom of the lava pit. Next open the bridge to have lava flow over them, then close that bridge and open the other so the lava flows out into the room that's large enough it becomes 1x1 and evaporates. Then just reassign the carts to a whatever route I want the lava on and have dwarves carry them there instead of trying to build tracks to dump off points.

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advanced manager conditions would be great tutorial for not overproducing stuff. Dwarven ale liquid less than 50, dwarven sugar powder cooking item less than 10. sand bearing items more then four, rock nut paste (did not dind it till now)

Why can't you just make a grate instead of a fortification?

New player: but why?

@RoboticMagus

Жыл бұрын

Magma forges. So you have free fuel and don't need wood for that.

@eugenec1733

Жыл бұрын

Obsidian is a very sharp for cutting weapon types as well. People construct obsidian farm setups by dropping water on a magma pool or trench, then mining the obsidian, then refilling with 1 layer of magma, adding more water.

@kalaksed

Жыл бұрын

All sorts of uses for magma. Magma forges/smelters/kilns/glass furnaces don't need fuel and filling minecarts like this lets you build those industries on safe layers instead of places where you'd potentially deal with things like fire imps or magma crabs Can also use the magma carts as a trap of sorts, hitting enemies with a speeding minecart full of magma is a great way to ruin their day Or just use them to fill up other places slowly, for more direct magma traps, moats or the like Someone else mentioned making obsidian, but i generally feel it's easier to bring water down to magma than magma up to water if making obsidian farms. If you're gonna obsidian cast stuff on the surface, it is also probably better to use quicker magma delivery methods, too

How do I keep my dwarves happy? Or more importantly, keep them from going depressed or berserk?

What's the point of this? Dumping lava into lava

@BlindiRL

9 ай бұрын

Moving it is the point.