There is an update to this video here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dmRkxciJe82Wgso.html

Reminds me of this joke - A senior citizen was driving down the freeway when his wife called his cell phone. "Herman, I just heard on the news that there's a car going the wrong way on Route 280. Please be careful!" "It's not just one car," said Herman, "It's hundreds of them!" So, have a look at the screw, if all the bits are wonky... :P :P

@snek9353

6 жыл бұрын

A yeah, there's a lot of variation in screws, needs to be tested on more then one.

@AlejandroP1980s

5 жыл бұрын

That joke is old and lame asf

Ok, some bits are better than others no doubt, but what you forgot to mention is the screw itself and how well the manufacturer has made the drive profile in the head of the screw. The fit is relative to both of these factors. Maybe your next video can focus on the quality of steel the bits are made of and how well they wear. Thanks for your video.

@jasonmorehouse3756

6 жыл бұрын

exactly !

@mkrnissen

6 жыл бұрын

From experience the Wiha bits are made from pretty good materials, Wira better still. Also one of the biggest factors to bit wear is their fit/ accuracy . The worse the fit the more the movement between screw & bit and therefore more wear. With Phillips and Pozi bits a less accurate bit means a higher chance of the bit slipping and stripping the head. Wera are well worth the extra money.

@jackhandy3360

6 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I saw the Menards "grip fast" box and wondered why there wasn't a GRK bucket there. Great video, though. In my experience, some of the bigger money bits, Snap-on phillips specifically, they last a while and don't round over but due to the hardness, they shatter when in an impact. I will definitely try the wiha bits and just hope, depending on the holder, they don't stick in the screw head instead of the holder. That's just annoying.

@billwieworka7250

5 жыл бұрын

While I don't doubt the end results. I question the use of a screw of unknown TOLERANCE as your baseline. As others have stated the Screws are also a major variable! There may well be a screw that would match each of those points. That being said I have see bit failures as a much bigger problem.

@jusb1066

5 жыл бұрын

yes, i have many screws with badly made heads, quality bits dont help you there, even cheap bits work well if you have good screws to use them on

I use wiha. I absolutely love them. World of a difference from using my DeWalt bits. And a number 2 fits in most number 1's and 3's perfectly. Love them and would highly recommend then

This are the best impact bit drivers in the market by far, I used them almost every day not just the tork bits but also the #2 philips are great too. Of all the German brands out there, Wiha are the best ones . Then Wera, felo beta etc...

If you want to use 50mm driver bits, I would recommend not using a magnetic extension because it can make the wobble worse.

I discoverd Wiha bits some time ago, I can't recommend them enough. There really is a difference. I was so impressed I have gone on to buy a full set of there screwdrivers. Treat yourself, you won't look back.

@raphallusek

6 жыл бұрын

I agree, Wiha and Wera bits rocks!

@JW-mx3qg

6 жыл бұрын

Yes absolutely concur. They are more costly but I don’t mind as long as I work better and faster minus any frustration

@harveysmith100

6 жыл бұрын

You just know, your profile pictures let's me know that you know!

You could stick a magnet ring on the bit. I think the toughness of the bit is as important as how well it grips.

You should check out Wera bits with holding function (867/1 Z TORX® HF). They are slightly tapered and will seat into a torx screw so that it actually holds the weight of the screw as if it was magnetic. No wobble, easy starting. Best of all they are only 50 cents each. I don't get all the negative comments, sure every screw is different, but all of them wobble on the driver, any solution is welcome. I used to hate torx wood screws until I found those special holding function bits.

@bzeug

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for posting the part number. I am acquiring various bits that have been suggested in these comments for a followup video. I will check into this, have got some Wera bits already, but not Holding Function yet.

@24revealer

5 жыл бұрын

Can you post a link to where you are buying them for 50 cents. When I search them our I get 5 bits for $27?

@bzeug

5 жыл бұрын

@@24revealer Cheapest I found them was from Amazon germany. www.amazon.de/Wera-Bit-Sortiment-Bit-Check-6-teilig-05056476001/dp/B009ODV0OO/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1544017054&sr=8-14&keywords=wera+torx+bit+check

@stefantrethan

5 жыл бұрын

@@24revealer www.banemo.de/wera-bit-1-4-din3126-c63-t25x-25mm-haltefunktion.html Probably not much use to you, Germany.

@bzeug

5 жыл бұрын

@@stefantrethan Hey, this looks very interesting! Thank you.

I use the shock wave bits and have been very pleased with the quality. I have some screwdrivers that are wera and they work great. Thank You for a great video.

Video deserves more credit. Wish we could get German bits in box stores

There is a big difference. I’ve broke most bits while driving with my impact. I started using the Milwaukee bits and haven’t busted the tips yet. I use my impact all day long as I’m a remodel carpenter. Heavy to light. And for the record, DeWalt bits suck. And you should only use an extension or bit holder as you call it is when it’s hard to reach into corners.

@goodun2974

4 жыл бұрын

I myself also.prefer the Milwaukee bits over the Dewalt bits; but Dewalt does make a plain-Jane, chrome finish bit-extension/holder that is by far the best one I've tried: it has the strongest magnet, and a built-in C-clip, together they grab the bit so tightly that sometimes I have to grab the bit with pliers in order to pull it out! If you use this Dewalt bit holder, the bit will "never" be left behind in the screw head after you drive the screw and bull the tool away!

I wish you would have mentioned an actual cost comparison. I am glad you did the run out comparison. That showed a lot.

I’m a Milwaukee guy but dewalt impact bits are actually pretty good. They don’t break the budget and always seem to last me a while

Slop is designed into the bit so you can angle your drill if your tight against cabinet. Don't have to drill straight on which may otherwise not be possible without slop

@johannes.f.r.

5 жыл бұрын

Wiha has special bits for that purpose. They are a little more fragile but still work at quite an angle. For normal driving these bits make a lot of difference, the bit doesn't jump out and you only have to hold the screw until it gets going. That means you can drive them quicker, because you can reach for the next scew. Also you don't nearly need as much pressure on the drill/impact, which is more comfortable, but also aids working in tight spaces.

Thank you for the test, Wiha looks like a winner. But I need to point out that you're going to have some error from that three jaw chuck, and it won't be consistent, every time you re-chuck you'll get different numbers. You would need a four jaw and a way to center the bit, or better a collet chuck for hex. Don't know where you'd get that. A better test might be holding the bit horizontal in a hex fixture and measuring screw drop angle on all six sides. Do that for say 10 bits of all makes. That would tell you accuracy and consistency, but not concentricity. Given that it's going to be used hand held, concentricity is the least of your worries. Oh, and test for longevity while you're at it. Back in the 80's I purchased some phillips bits meant for aircraft production. They were serrated on one side and very closely matched to the screw. If you were careful you could hang the drill by the screw and it wouldn't let go.

@jamesf9610

5 жыл бұрын

Chimera some of the wera bits are laser serrated for extreme grip

Additional Info: There are many screw heads that look like they're Phillips, but they are not. You have to match the driver bit to the screw head. Besides the Phillips, you have the Frearson, Japanese Industrial Standard, Posidrive, and mealy a dozen others. They vary on the angle of the wings, depth of the bit and shape of the bottom of the screw slot.

@goodun2974

4 жыл бұрын

Dan Burch, I fix old audio equipment for a living, most of it Japanese-built, been working with and around audio gear for almost 50 years, and yet I only found out about JIS philips screws a year or so ago! Pozi drive are quite obvious when you look at the head of the screw (if you know what to look for that is), but JIS screws aren't so obvious and do not always have the identifying dimple punched into the screw heads; and most people arent even aware that these variant version screws exist!* The Milwaukee shockwave bits generally work quite well for use with JIS screws camera and the skinny portion near the head means that you can more easily get in and around tight spots when you're dismantling or reassembling equipment. If you file off the rounded bottom of the Milwaukee driver bit just a little bit they fit even more deeply and tightly to the JIS screwheads. * owners of Japanese motorcycles purportedly have stripped out a lot of carburetor screws because they weren't aware of JIS screws!

@screwdriver-bits

Жыл бұрын

our PH2 bit can compatible DIN standard screw and JIS 2# screw

Before testing the bits, measure a piece of drill stock to confirm that your chuck runs true.

I use an impact driver for most screws and I can say that the cheaper bits snap or shear a lot faster and more often than the ones that are "impact rated"

@firesurfer

5 жыл бұрын

Duh!

The Man who drills holes! Great video

Thanks for the video. I will be checking out their tools.

at about age 30-40. I bought the best the tools I could find, and a full red sliding drawer case for my Sears line of wonder bars. I use the specialized items once or twice and enjoyed it. However keeping that stash didn't mean no good and now some old Thai Workman will marvel at my having more than a hammer and a screwdriver and a pliers, his basic tools.

I am admittedly a Milwaukee fan boy 100% but Dewalt torque drive bits are the best performance longest lasting bits I have ever used. I only purchase Dewalt bits. Everyone has their own favorites for different reasons and at the end of the day we all manage to get the job done.

I’ve been wondering on how well Wiha Bits work i’ve heard a lot of great things but that’s crazy I think you sold me on my next purchase

at 3:31, I was shocked! what a bad product! Thanks for all your time to demonstrate the difference!

Great video thanks,but for me the wera BITS are the best quality and strong bits Wera extra ard wera diamont and wera impaktor lenghts here from Portugal 🇵🇹🇵🇹🇵🇹

Just joined, best of luck. I love these types of videos

The one thing that separates tools from the hobby to professional and upward (specialty tools) is the elasticity of the tool. More elastic means it will deform more under load and the contact point will deform rounding the bit or the bolt/screw. So top tier tools made for very high loads are usually very brittle made out of tungsten/wolfram and will not deform even under very high loads. (ever seen torx specs used in hydralics? like injection pumps and such.. one bolt that keeps the relief valve is torqued at 800Nm and it's only an M12 or something with e-torx head - here the average pro tools like snap-on will get destroyed while the special tool made out of tungsten will prevail. ) Same thing with pro shop tools like snap-on vs hobby grade tools.. where a tough bolt in automotive will obliterate hobby tools (because the tools were never designed for such high loads), but will go fine with pro tools because they are designed to deflect less for that torque, and also they are designed for those higher loads in mind. (but not designed well enough for even tougher bolts as mentioned above). The good thing is that a high grade tool intended for very high loads will work just fine with low grade bolts and nuts.. so if I could afford i'd buy only tungsten sockets and bits.. but they are very expensive and usually just a one specific tool for a specific bolt somewhere and not a full set... so I'll settle for pro tools like snap-on or hazet or facom or stahlwille (being from europe, snapon is just a rarity here, and imho inferior to hazet or stalhwille). Ever seen how bits wear and fail? most hobby bits will just wear and look shiny and rounded and twisted if over-torqued at some point while the pro ones will look neat and crisp and when it fails it will shatter.

Also how good are the screws? They seem to make the torx recess too shallow. When I was screwing my decking a torx bit came with the screws but some screws it fitted well other it did not and cammed out. Why are they so shallow?

For the torx bits, I Spax has a certain tip in some of their screw boxes that are pretty damn good and my favorite torx bit.

That first Bosch is clearly used, you can see the wearout on the tip. It never comes out like that in the box, i've only seen that happen after around 500 screws.

@bzeug

6 жыл бұрын

Nope. Only used it for this video, never used it since. Got it at Menards specifically for this video and only for this video. That Bosch bit is worst junk bit I have from day 1.

@cdrom1070

5 жыл бұрын

maybe someone returned used crap lol

@datguy8371

5 жыл бұрын

I gotta agree. I have several Bosch bits. The new ones still in packaging are solid black on the tips, absolutely no bare metal. The one at the beginning of this video has bare metal showing on the tip. Generally, I find my Bosch bits are just fine for most work, and other kinds I have fill out the rest of my needs, but I don't use an impact drill. Impact is fine for some things, but not for the kind of woodworking I do. I don't recall the last time I tried to drive a screw one-handed into a hard surface . I always drill a shallow pilot hole. Or I use a sleeved bit to hold the screw head and reduce wobble a little. Once the screw is started, excessive wobble is gone anyway. The measured runouts on these various bits is meaningless trivia. Your hand and arm wobble many times more than the runout measured in ANY of these tips. What is meaningful is having a bit stuck in a screw head because the bit was not milled properly, either slightly too large or bad edges, or because screws were not formed correctly.

I found that Vermont makes well fitting bits for some kinds of screws, but bright finished screws are sloppier fit that the black finisghed ones like drywall screws.

thanks for this. I didn't know this was even an option. I've always hated the way smoe bit are so sloppy and these Wiha seem to fix that.

@stefantrethan

5 жыл бұрын

Wera bits with holding function (867/1 Z TORX® HF) are tapered to eliminate the slop completely. I have also hated it and even tried to find cross head screws because they didn't wobble, but they were getting more expensive than torx recently.

Any idea how the Makita impact gold bits fair in comparison?

@bzeug

6 жыл бұрын

Sorry. I don't have any of those. If I had I would have tested them.

@jamesf9610

6 жыл бұрын

They are decent better than most other box store bits having said that Wiha also has gold titanium bits as well which yeah freaking awesome fit and finish

@PCJ52

6 жыл бұрын

I have had a Makita Gold phillips bit for 2 years now and it is by far the best bit I have ever owned. It is really as good as new and I have used it very heavily. I can't compare it to the bits mentioned in this video because I haven't tried them.

@jeremynovak6752

6 жыл бұрын

The Makita impact gold and GRK bits are hands down the best I have ever used

@urjnlegend

5 жыл бұрын

I heard they're the best

Great showcase. I hadn't considered higher end bits might actually be better.

Those cheap square bits have a taper. You can probably grind a bit off the tip till the bit fits the screw slot to get rid of wiggle.Thanks for the Vid.

I can't afford cheap tools even if they have a life time warranty.

Absolutely worth it to buy the high quality bits i was wrong in buying the crappy bits first try on my impact driver and it immediately snap the hex part of the bit hahaha

The tighter fitting bits are less productive they are always staying stuck in the screw and gan be more of a nuisance then there worth

@firebladex8586

5 жыл бұрын

A happy medium is best.

Speaking for all electricians you did not test Klein bits and personally I find their screwdriver's profile to be best. Also most would agree that it' 50/50 meaning the screws you use come into play. Personally I'm screwing a lot and here's what I learned. 1- No chuck is perfect and no bit 3" or longer will stay perfectly straight. Hence the wobble. 2- Magnetized bits are terrible on all brands despite what they claim, rubbing it on a magnet will do more than those little devices they sell. 3-Toughness Milwaukee will outlast dewalt ryobi rigid as i put my weight on the drill taking out drywall screws with concrete in them. The answer to these 3 problems for me is the cheapest Dewalt 3" drill bit holder. because its thick its hard to bend it, it has a magnet in so it stays magnetized and can pick more screws than any bit. If used as prescribed using 1" bits it's very straight. Side note, it's the one with the picture of channel locks on it because the fit is so tight you need them to take it out. My apprentices are always bewildered when they see me take it out with bare hands lol RAWRRR

@goodun2974

4 жыл бұрын

Bakalaka, thumps up for that last paragraph: the Dewalt bit holders/extensions are *awesome*, the magnet is the strongest I've found and the c clip grabs the bits so tightly that its virtually impossible for the bit to remain stuck in the screwhead after you pull the tool away. I generally prefer to use a 1.5 or 2" bit with these bit holders, they're easier to grab for removal from the bitholder. The Milwaukee shockwave bits are great but they do lose some of the magnetic pull provided by the magnetic bit holder due to the skinny round section of the bit shank.

Fantastic job thanks for sharing this.

Fully support what I see looking at the Milwaukee bits show here. More is that though I did not use their philips and pozidriv in an impact driver they got broken after quite short use, so the quality of Milwaukee bits to me is not worth much. Then changed to Wiha and Wera, and so far they work well.

I think bordo and Alfa bits aren’t so bad been using them two bits for long time pretty happy with it.

As dad used to say (and every other dad in this world) "if it aint broke dont fix" The Milwaukee's are doing just fine for me at a fraction of the cost. I don't need a machine to tell me if it works but thanks for letting us knkw there are better mouse traps out there

I’ve been wondering about the quality of the actual screws lately too. Some seem much easier to strip the head off than others. Any opinions on better quality screws for a noob (me) gratefully accepted.

@dancearoundtheworld5360

2 жыл бұрын

Depends on what your doing but bit design is the main factor id use T25 for wood and PH1 might need a pliot hole if its a soft screw.

i dont have much experiance with torx bits because i dont use them but i can tell you that the impact milwaukee philips bits are top notch. i use them almost every day at work on a impact driver and have never broke one. i refuse to use anything else they sell at home depot. The dewalt and ryobi bits just shatter like glass.

I know that the German bits are made really good but try out PB Swiss which are even better and of course they are swiss made.

@leonk.1031

5 жыл бұрын

Roof Repair Techs In may experience German made products are just better than Swiss made products

i like the irwen impact and the malco bits. i used milfucky for a long time untill i saw the light of high end bits

Canadian's have the best screw head.... The Robertson. Torx and Phillips can strip out too easy.

@209chevymon

5 жыл бұрын

I hear really good things about robertsons and just by looking at them i can tell they make a better connection between bit and screw head meaning little to no slippage but i just wish usa sold more of them very hard to find

@thetazva

5 жыл бұрын

I would disagree, I have used most if not all types of screw head types over the years and the #1 robertson/square drive had a substantial amount of cam out and slippage and would consistently break screw heads. the #2 which was the most common for all purpose screws and cabinet screws would also cam out more often than not, although better than Phillips by a wide margin the best these days is Torx. We use mainly GRK Screws because of their quality- Canadian made by the way and a few other brands. The only issue we have ever had is with their trim screws and the T-10 bits snapping off. all others seem to last for a long time and I have yet to break one of the larger bits or have it strip or cam out consistently.

@oby-1607

5 жыл бұрын

Philips screw heads were originally made for manufacturing to intentionally slip when an abundance of torque was applied or in other words too much torque applied. The Philips X impression in the head is tapered for this reason. The Robertson head is far superior in retention of the bit as it has a deep impression in relative comparison to the Philips head. The Torx screw was developed as a band-aid solution to get around the Robertson patent to develop a screw head that can receive a lot of torque. It has been developed though into a very good drive head. Bit fit to screw is still critical for preventing screw rounding out though.

@thetazva

5 жыл бұрын

@@209chevymon they aren't hard to find, you just have to know where to look.

@thetazva

5 жыл бұрын

@@oby-1607 the Torx bit in use is better than the Robertson. I have used both for years and can say definitively that Torx is better by a wide margin. Torx has a deep impression for engagement, phillips was superior than a slotted at its time,although outdated now.

Great vedeo

3 jaw lathe chucks do not repeat, so your lathe run out test has error in it before you spin it.

Is the cabinet screw a Torx or a Torx Plus? A Torx bit fits loose in a Torx Plus head.

@bzeug

6 жыл бұрын

Just Torx.

@Pro1er

6 жыл бұрын

Crazy how sloppy some of those fit.

@bzeug

6 жыл бұрын

Yes. I was really surprised by it.

@scyarch1136

6 жыл бұрын

Torx plus are unique to Spax with their little proprietary button on the tip of the bit. That said, I was wondering how these would fit. Starting to prefer spax over GRK even if the GRK are slightly more expensive with a superior coating... might switch back to spax unless I get one of these bits to address the grk play issues I’ve had starting screws in even soft woods. Even the grk-specific bits have a bunch of play starting their holes.

There is a difference, but it depends on how and for what they're used.

@bzeug

5 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/dmRkxciJe82Wgso.html

What style and brand is the screw itself? I’ve been looking for a screw like this.

@bzeug

4 жыл бұрын

You might be referring to the Fastcap cabinet screw. www.fastcap.com/product/powerhead-wood-screws

The only thing you should have done different is trying to screw into a vertical hard coated surface, good overal comparison though!

no word on whether those driver bits are phillips, pozi, torx or whatever, could be wrong bit for wrong screw

Speaking of bits, please explain quick change bits vs insert bits. And why do so few manufacturers make quick change hex bit sets. Thank you.

How do these compare to Hilti bits?

@CrimeVid

5 жыл бұрын

Maximino Jaimes Very good bits, very expensive too !

@levo75

5 жыл бұрын

I have a set of Hilti bits, they're not bad. But all I have to compare them to are a bunch of sets I bought from LIDL.

The bosch is three time longer than the others, that may have something to do with the wobble. As for the fitment in the head of the screw, did you try any other screws? Also, what about the length of service? I build luxury decks and I run trough 100+ t20 bits a year! Id love to find a more durable brand than what the bog vox stores have to offer!

Only one I’ve personally tried that sucked was the Irwin black long bits. The don’t even want to grip the screw yet all the other cheap ones do. It’s labeled as a #2 but it’s too long of a point or too thin and just cams out really bad. Side by side comparison with a couple others they clearly look smaller.

Can you compare the german brands to Snap-on? Im really curious to see how they compare, especially the impact rated bits. My only knock on the terminator impact bits is that the 25 mm bits are very finicky with bit holders that use a friction ring, including Wihas 1/2" to 1/4" impact bit adapter. I found that it works well with Wera's impacktor bit holder, DO NOT use these with the Milwaukee shock wave bit holder with screw the guide sleeve as you will not be able to get it out

@bzeug

6 жыл бұрын

Interesting. I will look into this. Stay tuned.

Great review but for a long screw wouldn't u use a sleeved extension?😨

Whoops, it only works on this cabinet screw ???? Maybe you should have tried a variety of Torx screws. I'd hate to have a Torx driver bit that does not fit my box of screws. Is there a spec.go-no go set for checking screws and driver bits?

I have done my own tests using a Douglas fir 4x4 because that’s the material that I use the most. I want to test two more brands, but the Wiha Terminator Blue has pretty much dominated so far. I actually got my impact driver to hang from a screw with a Wiha #2 phillips.

@SaintFredrocks

10 ай бұрын

Did you compare them to the Wiha Maxxtor bits? They are amazing bits, but I haven't tried the Terminator Blue bits yet.

@DiligentDave1966

10 ай бұрын

@@SaintFredrocks I have not even touched the Maxxtor yet. They’re not available in my local Lowe’s, and they are a little pricey online compared to the Terminator Blue. The Bosch seems to be very comparable to the Wiha. I’m not a big fan of phillips, in general, so I doubt that I will test every brand. I prefer T25 all day. Not trying to promote my channel, but I posted videos of my tests.

@SaintFredrocks

10 ай бұрын

@@DiligentDave1966 The Maxxtor and Terminator Blue(TB) sets are about the same price now. I picked up the 50 pc set (76885) for $35 from ACME Tools, and it only has 13 Phillips bits. The 40 pc TB set has 10 in it for $30, so it is about the same percentage. They both claim to last 120x longer, so I am curious how they really differ other than the color of the plastic on the bit. You'll have get a set to do a comparison test to see which is better 😉 I also like the fact that neither of the sets has too many of the 1in bits that take the adapter to work in an impact driver: too much more added wiggle. I am with you concerning the T25 vs Phillips fasteners, but then again, the Phillips were originally designed to strip when the desired torque was reached on the assembly line: it saved money on torque wrenches, I guess.

@DiligentDave1966

10 ай бұрын

@@SaintFredrocks I apologize, in advance, for this long reply, but I want to be honest. I got the Terminator bits on clearance. $3.87 for a 15 pack of the two inch T25 bits, and 87 cents each for the two packs of the one inch #2 phillips bits. I bought small packs of other brands for comparison, and posted videos. Every test I have done has been in the storage room in the shop where I work. I have used scrap wood clamped to a large rolling table that I built for the shop. I don’t have the following, or the resources, that big channels like Project Farm have. I want to do more testing with other brands, but I can’t do that until I have access to more materials.

@SaintFredrocks

10 ай бұрын

@@DiligentDave1966 WOW, that is a killer deal you got for the bits. I was just kidding about the testing: I know how expensive these things are. I just purchased the Maxxtor last week online, and the day after I placed my order I saw the Terminators for the first time, which got me wondering what the difference was between them. When I saw your post about them, I thought I would ask. From what I have seen on these bits, which hasn't been much, they will actually be less expensive than team Red or Yellow in the long run, as they don't break or wear nearly as easily. I forget which video I was watching, but the creator pointed out that in the Red and Yellow sets have many multiples of each bit, because they are cheap garbage that doesn't last. However, with the ser gut German bits that is not the case. Now it is MY turn to apologize for being wordy: again. Have a good one.

I agree! Wiha bits rule. Have you tried the diamond ones? You have one more sub. Oh, KC Tools is too expensive. Go to Amazon.de; even with a few Euros for shipping, and depending on what you buy, it's typically half the cost of KC; you just have to wait 2 weeks to get the box.

@bzeug

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you. In fact I am waiting on my first order from Amamzon.de at this time. I learned about that tip from another KZreadr, can't remember who it was. Will see how how it goes.

No doubt there are differences in driver bits quality,but that's only one part.You forgot the other part that are the screws.You can get any result you want just by changing the screws no matter the bits you use.

"fee-low" and "Vera" and " v-ha" are the correct pronunciations.

well i know one thing you must not do to much drilling your drills are spotless buddy,

Have you tried any Centrotec bits?

U do understand of course the longer one's are going to wobble more

unless they have changed i flat out threw away the last dewalt torx bits i purchased.. they have a very odd concave tip that almost defeated the purpose of using deckmates in the first place

I was thinking about Dewalt but thought id look at some vids. Thanks for posting! Whee-ha! sounds like I’m ropin’ cattle! How’s it spelled?

@bzeug

4 жыл бұрын

Wiha.

Try the Wera with screw holding capability

you schould try PB SWISS TOOL bits, the best I've used. nice vid 👍

@bzeug

3 жыл бұрын

Oh yes I love PBSwiss!

Ok, wiha bit $5-$9 each... I'm general contractor I don't need it just like Fesfool.

But can they withstand the true terror of the new age impact screwdrivers. I use quality bits myself. But man, you just have to come to acceptance that they also do not last forever.

torx screws are ment to woble in the bit because you don´t have to work in a straight line with bit and screw. thats what they are designed for. For example in a car manifacture the robots dont have to hit the screw perfectly, because of the "wobble".

@bzeug

5 жыл бұрын

There is an update to this video here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dmRkxciJe82Wgso.html

Seems to me the Wiha and the felo both get stuck in the screw, and pull out of the holder, which in my opinion is the most frustrating of all things.

Wiha bits are the best mini torx I’ve ever used. Not going to touch the cheap junk again.

It’s actually pronounced “We-Ra”. Just a little food for though. Though, I do enjoy the ole cowboy “We-HA!”

@SaxonCerchio

4 жыл бұрын

Christian Pederson two different companies

I use cheap bits from Biltema and they are as good as the expensive brands The best investment is buying a good impact driver as it doesn't wear out the bits so fast

Wera.....tough, long-lasting and well made. Also in the U.K. quite a bit cheaper than Wiha and Felo.

I mean, expensive bits are only as good as the screws you buy..

How do know if it’s not the screws that are not made properly and are wider and that’s why you are getting the wobble

@bzeug

5 жыл бұрын

There is variation between screws. Many people asked this question so I did a followup video. kzread.info/dash/bejne/dmRkxciJe82Wgso.html

It is the screw that's messed up not the bits.

I don't want to come off rude but what's the point of testing runout on a driver bit? It literally doesn't matter.

@dancearoundtheworld5360

2 жыл бұрын

really dude rude is calling this guy a queer for liking his shaft straight, its a just a damn bit use whatever you can ive used dollar tree to my favorite bosch cuz there also a dollar, they all work some have better tolarances then other of course

Try a true Robertson bit on a Robertson screw...? (And they’re NOT the same as a generic square drive bit/screw)

@rjw261984

5 жыл бұрын

How do you tell the diff? I use square drive at work to assemble Global brand office furniture from Canada. Should they be true robertson fasteners? I noticed not all of the sq2 bits i have fit the same.

@WyrGuy2

5 жыл бұрын

rjw Yes, the square drive bits fit, (and they probably are square drive head screws, not true Robertson brand) but the Robertson screwdriver combined with a ‘true’ Robertson screw is something quite different. The Robertson is slightly chamfered around the edges, and tapered nearing the bottom with a diamond shape at the bottom, it actually ‘grabs’ hold of the bit! www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/youve-got-to-use-a-robertson/article1024050/ But thanks to the stubbornness of both P.L. Robertson AND Henry Ford they mostly stayed up here in Canada and not long after, Phillips was the screw head of choice for Ford, and we all know how much power he held at the time.

@rjw261984

5 жыл бұрын

@@WyrGuy2 i looked on Robertsons website to purchase their bits but you have to purchase from another seller. Figured id buy a couple and see how they do. Thx for the info.

I thought you were going to do a snap test.

What country is Wiha made in?

@bzeug

4 жыл бұрын

Germany

that big of screw use a Roberts drive and correct screw ...no slop

Makita bits are good wiha are good but wera are excellent.

There is nothing worst than bit getting stuck in the screws head, every time you use it, so too tight no good eider.

wiha rules!

Yo we did nt see the soelling of the bit.id it weeha?

Lets just say, he wasnt doing the “slop” on purpose..

When do screws fly on their own

Just use a Robertson screw and bit.

Anyone see a problem with these super tight fitting bits? Particularly in tight fitting spaces, and/or where you have to extend to reach to? You’re going to need a bit per screw, cause when you pull back after fastening the screw the bit is staying with the screw, or flying off and ending up where u ain’t getting it. It’s super annoying, slows down your work, and you lose more bits than you find that way.

@BigBear--

4 жыл бұрын

Just get yourself either a magnetic collar like DeWalt has for their bits, or sleeve guide for normal sized screw heads, and call it a day.

Hey there,… I’ve tried just about every bit made… and yes,.. the difference is night and day…! First of all,… Phillips is the worst screw head ever made…! I refuse to use them ever again.. torx is the way to go and if there is play in the bit… you’re already screwed… Wiha has been the best bits ever … they fit exactly with no slop… .! 🤙😎👍 can’t go wrong with Wiha tools ..!

@HeroOfTime303

6 ай бұрын

Did you get the wiha Terminator bits? I just ordered them in the 1" size.

it's not most accurate way to test it. the real thing is which one get "eaten" less fast.