Watch the full episode here - kzread.info/dash/bejne/YmuEvJifqbbFctI.html

@suchisfreelife7043

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Chris, please invite Vijay Prashad as a guest. I think this would make for a truely eye opening conversation.

@humanbeing6933

Жыл бұрын

Here’s what Nam Chomsky actually said. Misleading the British public isn’t exactly patriotic m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/pHdmmKprdLG7etI.html

@ailediablo79

Жыл бұрын

I don't care what is the f background here: however Whitson Chiller didn't do much in the war except talking - he wasn't a general. Also, it is not a lie to say he was bad person. He bloody starved India on purpose multiple times and did colonialism. To name few bad things. but marx himself didn't do much except writing a book and coming with an idea as a thinker as a university teacher for a study. Like he was a casual. He wasn't an active revolutionary. He didn't want to be a revolutionary by any means.

@amruta8694

Жыл бұрын

@@suchisfreelife7043 j

@ernestb7055

9 ай бұрын

​@@ailediablo79 I know Churchil did what he had to for England but he betrayed his devoted ally, Poland and sold it to Stalin amd communism. He didn't even invite Poland for a Victory Parade in London despite Poles fighting everywhere in Europe, especially in England against fascism and communism. Marx, I don't even want to write about another lunatic academic who was obviously mad-man thinking human nature needs to be eradicated if not changed forcefully.

75 years of revisionist history and a refusal to objectively define terms will wreak havoc. Thats the goal.

@yepwhatever1142

2 жыл бұрын

Because Marx is a tiny hat

@GaijinTV

2 жыл бұрын

@@yepwhatever1142 -small hats - Owen Benjamin

@LlibertarianGalt

2 жыл бұрын

@@yepwhatever1142 marx blamed the tiny hats for capitalism and called non-tiny hats who like capitalism 'inwardly circumcised jews' in Das Kapital

@borsiak

2 жыл бұрын

That's a very good way of putting it

@elih9700

2 жыл бұрын

@@yepwhatever1142 You win the most moronic comment today, well done.

Orwell put it pretty well when he came up with “who controls the present, controls the past. Who controls the past, controls the future.”

@alexdavid8545

5 ай бұрын

Indeed.

@becd4888

2 ай бұрын

And the west is the most powerful. They control most of history.

Funny how few point out Marx's bad character. Besides his self-hating racism for Jews, he was a self-centered narcissist that insisted on his way with everything. His wife was quoted as stating "He's my big baby". While his wife and children lived in dirt poverty and near starvation, Marx always made sure he had his wine and cigars. He never got his hands calloused for doing blue collar work, but struggled to get his articles published. His rich capitalist buddy Engels, who inherited his Daddy's textile business and lived like a aristocratic Bourgeoisie, kept bailing out Marx over and over, until he finally just set him up on a monthly stipend. Marx chased down every family and friend's inheritances, even though in his Communist Manifesto one of his platforms was to abolish inheritances! It was always "Do as I say, not as I do" with Marx. Even then Marx burned through money like there was no tomorrow. When Marx moved to England, he purchased a very nice middle class house, with servants (Just like BLM did recently) and then took his family on a three week vacation. Afterward, he threw a party for his daughter and 50 of her friends. The he was in debt again, and Engels had to bail him out again. Marx later got his unpaid housemaid pregnant, and then ignored the child. He had Engels claim it was his son, so Marx reputation would not suffer. Marx never cared about the poor or the working class. It was always about himself. He never went to a protest, never mingled with the workers, but always put himself as "special" to live like the very Bourgeoisie he was jealous of.

@heldig5617

2 жыл бұрын

Spoiled man who lived too comfortably so he just bitched, moaned, and whined about the not-existing fantasy issues (1848 version of current woke rich neo-libtards). By the way, he despised black people too.

@Simon53188

Жыл бұрын

Where can I read this? Where is this sourced from? I don't know much about Marx, but I am interested in learning about it.

@jamesbarnett6772

Жыл бұрын

Marx is a good template for alot of online lefties then, they're all like this. Complete hypocrites that preach one thing but never abide a single one of their 'principles'... Hasan being a good example

@blank557

Жыл бұрын

@@Simon53188 I recommned "Karl Marx: His Life and Thought" by David McLellan The author tries to be non-biased, but he really promotes Marx. But he does quote Marx's writings extensively as well as those who knew him so you are getting it straight from the original source. I recommend passing over the sections explaining Marx's philosophy, as it is all word salad. Concentrate on the passages of his actually life. It reveals very clearly his childish self-centered nature, his wasteful spending habits, his hypocrisy of living it up while lamenting about the working class, etc.

@Simon53188

Жыл бұрын

@@blank557 nice one mate, thanks very much. I have heard more negative than positive about Marx but its difficult to know who to listen to. Lots of mixed information, I like Zizek he seems to have a funny/trolling side to his arguments and talks about Marx almost in ironic terms.

Listening to Douglas Murray is pure joy

Many years ago, in Argentina, a classmate of mine who knew I was partly British and partly Jewish came to me with an air of superiority and said "Did you know Churchill was a famous anti-Semite? Did you? Did you?" This worried me, so I ran to my Jewish-Atheist grandfather, who had been born in Prague and escaped the Holocaust. "Is it true Churchill was an anti-Semite?"... "Yes," came his immediate answer, "the type of anti-Semite we need more of in this world!"

@fbcpraise

Жыл бұрын

Haha, well said. I read that Churchill was often moved to tears over the plight of the Jews. Not just Hitler but lack of a homeland. Didn't he work for the re-establishment of Israel?

@darthkek1953

Жыл бұрын

@@fbcpraise Churchill's own essay "Bolshevism vs Zionism The Struggle for the Jewish Soul" proved he fucking LOVED the Jews, history, traditions, endurance, and admired them greatly.

@fbcpraise

Жыл бұрын

@@darthkek1953 That was my impression, just things I picked up over the years. Thanks for sharing that.

@Mr9mann

Жыл бұрын

Well, it seems he channeled the spirit of Churchill himself when he said.

@johncarlisle2755

Жыл бұрын

I understand Churchill was a judeophile...and i am not a fan. However, i am a distant relation. Churchill was i believe, a good mouthpiece for a resilient Labour cabinet. He deserves some credit. But i think he is over emphasised.

I remember a Zimbabwean woman who had moved from being working poor in Zimbabwe to become working poor with the rest of us in Western Canada. She was a deeply thoughtful lady and said that people like her in Zimbabwe were thankful that they were colonized by the British because they brought British law. I don't know anything else about the imposition of law in Zimbabwe but I have studied the situation in Canada and what is sometimes called "British Imperial Constitutional Law" is actually very respectful and protective of Indigenous rights and modes of life, believe it or not. That is obscured by the extent that governments delayed implementing the protected rights for 100+ years in various places, but the MASSIVE settlements that more and more Indigenous groups are getting are of old treaties designed around rights that were recognized and protected from day 1 when the colonists showed up.

@KopperNeoman

7 ай бұрын

Obviously Britain wad very respectful of her Imperial partners. The Woke wouldn't hate imperialism otherwise.

@vancouverterry9142

7 ай бұрын

@@KopperNeoman Imperialism is one thing -- the degree to which an imposed legal system recognizes, and puts protective measures in place for, indigenous territory is another thing. Raging against imperialism is one thing, but how and what to remedy in real-world, actionable terms is another.

@AniketShukla17

7 ай бұрын

Untrue actually.

@vancouverterry9142

7 ай бұрын

@@AniketShukla17 Are you capable of "thinking" in anything more than 2-word vacuous summations that any literate person would see as the "thoughts" of an intellectually-incompetent person who doesn't have a clue how to communicate? The smug vacuousness of people like you is actually a new threat to the world: severe ignorance mixed with smugness, intellectual incompetence, refusal to think, and inability to communicate meaningfully.

@phoenixjones7191

7 ай бұрын

@@AniketShukla17 phenomenal argument aniket

If we can't recognize who our heroes are, then the most evil tyrants will rise and take over.

@MyBelch

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, dirtbag liberal morons destroy great leaders so they can look better in comparison. It's much like the slowest runner in a race trying to trip the fastest. Sadly, it only winds up making them look like schmucks and does nothing to improve their time.

@whitleypedia

Жыл бұрын

if you dont stand for something youll fall for anything

@Adam-wt5vf

Жыл бұрын

@@whitleypedia that's basically Nietzsche's observation.

@julianshepherd2038

Жыл бұрын

Churchill was a real and v complex man. So if you want to play super heroes then fine but that is not what historians do. Well, obviously that is what Davis Starkey did but he didn't start out that way.

@spaceknight793

Жыл бұрын

if we can't recognize who our heroes are, THEY will tell us who our heroes ought to be. Rhymes with Marx...

Douglas Murray speaks for the vast majority of us. Thank goodness he does, someone has to.

@DanWhe

8 ай бұрын

He wouldn’t have to if the majority showed a backbone and spoke up themselves.

@beatonthedonis

8 ай бұрын

Who is "us"?

@dancingbrave4717

8 ай бұрын

Doubt he speaks for Welsh miners!

@seanmoran2743

8 ай бұрын

@@dancingbrave4717or the people of Liverpool naval guns aimed at the city, or the poor in general

@ilookafterthewater601

8 ай бұрын

I am happy to report that Murray most certainly doesn't speak for me. As far as I'm concerned he is an over opinated boor with nothing of consequence to say.

Excellent analysis, as ever. Murray so perceptive and so eloquent.

“It is during our darkest moments that we must focus to see the light.” - Aristotle

@bucketiii7581

Жыл бұрын

Do you people actually think you're being profound when you drop these quotes? If you're an adult, I have bad news for you.

@michaelclausen1135

Жыл бұрын

@@bucketiii7581 I mean I don't even know if that is an Aristotle quote. But I would be curious to know what your bad news is.

The people who criticize churchill wouldn't have the freedom they have today without him

@jamesmurphy9426

7 ай бұрын

If you believe the second world War two narrative

@Valehass

7 ай бұрын

Moron's never are aware enough to know what they have before they loose it. Marxists more so than most.

@terranboot9405

7 ай бұрын

Ambitious people look up to Churchill, lazy people look up to Marx

@queenieman6883

7 ай бұрын

You lot just don't know history except what's spoon fed to you by an aristocratic education system, Churchill hated the working people of this country if at any time they attempted to fight for better working conditions and industrial relations. Churchill sent the guns out on his own people. He is no hero

@bujharvard9313

7 ай бұрын

They wouldn't have ANYTHING they have today without him, because most of their parents or grandparents would be bones in a mass grave somewhere. This speaker gives them too much credit with his explanations. The real reason they dump on him is that other people dump on him. It's far too generous to suggest that any of these tw@ts think for themselves.

Thank you, Douglas. You're at the heart of it.

I am a Portuguese and I am forever grateful to Winston Churchill me and my son I do not live under Nazi tyranny. Nobody is perfect but depicting the person who led England to it’s finest hour as evil that itself is pure evil. My Country stood by under a fascist leader nobody cares about. How easy it would have been to cave to Germany who even wanted to befriend England. What Churchill did will echo in Human history. Still get goosebumps listening to his speeches. My greatest hero!!!

@CalebThornhill

8 ай бұрын

Completely agree. Churchill was a hero. That doesn't mean he was perfect. No one is! But his flaws don't negate his heroism. Leftists are childish. They promote childish ideas and arguments. And they behave childishly. But the think and act according to the worst traits of the immature -- they are ignorant, venal, and vicious. Why anyone would find their worldview, beliefs, and practices attractive is beyond me

@wolfsoldner9029

7 ай бұрын

Where is your paranoia coming from ? Your country had many sympathies with Nazi-Germany and they definitely had no reason to invade Portugal.

@henryperez606

7 ай бұрын

@@wolfsoldner9029 If Nazi Germany would’ve won, Europe would’ve been fascist . I would say they were many people in Europe that did not want to live under fascism. Even though Portugal had a fascist government. It did not mean the average Portuguese person agreed with it.

@wolfsoldner9029

7 ай бұрын

@@henryperez606 Nazi-Germany wouldnt invade a country which was already friendly with them in the first place and share many political beliefs. Also a country which stood behind a Nazi friendly country they also wouldnt invade.

@henryperez606

7 ай бұрын

@@wolfsoldner9029 They would not have to invade, Portugal was already fascist. But not all portugese were fascist so some were rooting for the allies. This happened in every country. So my Portuguese cousin was rooting for Winston Churchill.

My gosh Douglas Murray is a deep breath of intellectual fresh air in a time of tormenting social belligerence. Thank you.

@paulhogan7899

8 ай бұрын

Well put. That's EXACTLY what he is.

@bwebb90

7 ай бұрын

That deep breath is pure posh delusion 4:11 The British Empire ransacked and pillaged a third of the world. The justifications? The audacious irony to say 'they' were the savage ones, while we invaded, colonialised and destroyed cultures- while ofc, profiteering. No one hates you because you are white, they think you are a twat if do not understand- if another country did that to us (what they Nazis tried to do), you would understand the hatred of Churchill's imperialism too.

@queenieman6883

7 ай бұрын

He really isn't, he just says things without any actual historical experts to put him right about random things he says.

@christopherarmstrong2710

7 ай бұрын

Him and Victor Davis Hanson as well.

@TTFN55

15 күн бұрын

I'm trying to figure out how to get "Douglas Murray is a deep breath of intellectual fresh air" tattooed on my body.

All heroes are human have flaws but can do great things . Do not let the cry bullies win .

@johnwilliamson467

2 жыл бұрын

@@nightkingxx I do not see your deflection about WC . He rallied the troops to defend a nation from being lost . War is a very messy business . The anti capitalist view does not take in that view people need motivation to be productive . Power must be controlled check and balances . To let history be rewritten with out objection is a Sad state .

@johnwilliamson467

2 жыл бұрын

@@nightkingxx I am not smoking any thing and please refrain from personal attacks . One should be able to discuss different view on subject and address the subject not the person stating the view . That is what is called deflection . Hope you have a fine day.

@johnwilliamson467

2 жыл бұрын

@@defuwan4337 I think worship of any human is in error . To see a politician as a hero and philosophers as a great thinker is fine to worship them is misplaced . Thus the term fan coming from fanatic not a measured response IMHO. Regards

@fbcpraise

Жыл бұрын

@@defuwan4337 Really? Churchill was Hitler's downfall. Hitler murdered millions, and would have continued unhindered. You don't think the man who stopped him deserves to be admired?

@fbcpraise

Жыл бұрын

@@defuwan4337 Nice try, but I think you're smarter than this. I am not defending imperialism, especially today; but name any genocide committed by the Brits. Hitler killed 6 million Jews, and probably 16 million Russians - one-third of whom were civilians. Wherever the Brits went, things tended to get better. Do you know anything about widow-burning in India? Probably not, because the Brits put an end to it. Imagine all those women who knew that their lives would end by being thrown alive onto their husband's funeral pyre. I bet they didn't call the Brits "imperialist dogs." Ask the citizens of Hong Kong if they prefer the Chinese to the British. No, I'm not British. Comparing the Brits to the Nazis is just childish.

"Today, we live in the Age of Envy." Ayn Rand In her words: "Envy is not the emotion I have in mind, but it is the clearest manifestation of an emotion that has remained nameless; it is the only element of a complex emotional sum that men have permitted themselves to identify. Envy is regarded by most people as a petty, superficial emotion and, therefore, it serves as a semihuman cover for so inhuman an emotion that those who feel it seldom dare admit it even to themselves. . . . That emotion is: hatred of the good for being the good. This hatred is not resentment against some prescribed view of the good with which one does not agree. . . . Hatred of the good for being the good means hatred of that which one regards as good by one’s own (conscious or subconscious) judgment. It means hatred of a person for possessing a value or virtue one regards as desirable."

@tomjeff1743

2 жыл бұрын

It's rampant in all societies past and present. Envy deflection has always existed. Warding off the evil eye. Envy by Helmet Schoeck

@mayeezy254

2 жыл бұрын

I think envy is an accurate description but your point of hatred is true.

@sdrc92126

2 жыл бұрын

Envy used to be a sin and there were commandments against it when people believed in that sort of stuff.

@pedrogama4585

2 жыл бұрын

...TRUE !...its ALL about...DEEP ENVY and nothing else....and should be treated as such and CONFRONTED as such

@fbcpraise

Жыл бұрын

Great quote, thank you.

Amazing discussion. Thanks Douglas.

There has never been a more important time to remember and reflect upon this quote by L.P. Hartley: "The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there."

@ShadyRonin

Жыл бұрын

Amazing quote

@I_Don_t_want_a_handle

Жыл бұрын

He did quite a good book on fly-fishing too, IIRC ...

@MrVvulf

Жыл бұрын

@@I_Don_t_want_a_handle I never knew. Thanks.

@suemurphy9360

8 ай бұрын

@@I_Don_t_want_a_handle idiot that J R Hartley.. ha ha

@johnwright1447

7 ай бұрын

In our current case, the past is a foreign civilized country, and they do things there that are wise, right and good. Alas that civilized norms, law and order, decency, sanity itself, are all so foreign to us now.

France didn't exactly "give in" They just didn't stand a chance

I am thrilled to listen to Douglass's talks ! He speaks not only eloquently but truthfully ! Lord Jesus bless you !❤

Yes, you are a good country, you have done many things good. Love Churchill (American here). Keep up the great work Douglas Murray!

I wish Canada had a figure like Sir Winston Churchill. Personally, he's still a hero of mine, as a proud member of the Commonwealth.

@amoghgodbole6168

Жыл бұрын

No offence but Winston Churchill has the blood of more people than even Hitler on his hands and I'm sure you weren't even aware of this. Please understand that Churchill was as bad a human being as Marx or Hitler.

@thefarmer828

Жыл бұрын

Learn your history. Lots of Canadian war bravery the chruchhill. Literally everyone that landed at Normandy and in Sicily.

@yashjain5189

Жыл бұрын

He is fool

@SaintCharbelMiracleworker

Жыл бұрын

@@yashjain5189 All human heroes have flaws. You are a cry-baby.

@theoutlaw5806

Жыл бұрын

@@yashjain5189 Indian I take it ? 🤣

Churchill helped me cope when I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder. His "Black dog" take on depression inspired me to use all the best bits of my illness and run with it!

Resentful and hate filled people are undoing centuries of sacrifices by Honorable and brave individuals many of which knew that they themselves would not see the fruit of their labours but did it anyways to ensure a better future for their children and the human race. The silent majority's lack of action now disgraces all their sacrifices

@maravillabxr

Жыл бұрын

Give it a rest Neil, the discussion is about Winston Churchill, and he did some disgusting things to millions of Indian’s who starved to death and Churchill deliberately refused to help despite India being a British colony.

@user-qr8lm3ji6b

7 ай бұрын

​@@maravillabxrSince 1917 the biggest mass murders on earth have been Communists. Why don't you give it rest praising these evil scumbags.

And theres a reason we brought him in during ww2 and then ridden Churchill out of office when the war was over. He was perfect for leading during wartime. There's a reason he drank so heavily, that man had to make some very very difficult decisions that would make you lose your mind for sure.

@SniperDizzyJohny

2 жыл бұрын

Churchil decisions doomed humanity.

@gastonangelini8352

2 жыл бұрын

@@SniperDizzyJohny explain why if you are going to.drop.that bomb

@Ubu987

2 жыл бұрын

@@SniperDizzyJohny Churchill's decisions doomed humanity? Not Hitlers, or Stalin's, but Churchill's. Wow!

@johncorrall1739

2 жыл бұрын

@@SniperDizzyJohny Please explain.

@Miscelanou

2 жыл бұрын

@@SniperDizzyJohny explain bro

Winston was a product of his Victorian upbringing, pure and simple. I am a critic of him and his views of India and its people but was a great wartime leader.

@Smallpotato1965

2 жыл бұрын

Nothing wrong with a Victorian upbringing... I mean, to what do you compare his Victorian upbringing? If you were transported back in time to, say, 1880, and could choose any country in the world to be dumped in, where would you rather choose to be?

@yasserjamilq8

2 жыл бұрын

Hero for the British and rightly so but an absolute tyrant murderer for South Asians.

@somebloke13

2 жыл бұрын

You can't judge people from the past by modern standards. It's just not possible to apply modern beliefs to previous eras.

@luciusesox1luckysox570

2 жыл бұрын

@championchap you're entirely misunderstanding the comment you're replying to

@luciusesox1luckysox570

2 жыл бұрын

@championchap you're entirely misunderstanding the comment you're replying to

I’m a 36-year-old dude from small town Ohio but I’ve always been a huge history buff… Churchill has always been a personal hero of mine. His speeches still move me even though I’ve heard them countless times.

i do so enjoy Douglas, listening to him speak is such a treat. As greatful as i am that he does speak out on the myriad of cultural problems, it would be nice to hear him speak in a non political context, on something he enjoys.

The Churchill books the history of WW2 and the history of the English speaking peoples should be required reading for educators and western leaders, Our modern geo-political world order is founded on these events which created the current balance of world power being contested at any cost in Ukraine, the middle east and with China

@stephenbermingham6554

2 жыл бұрын

It's nice to see others with the knowledge of what is going on in the world today.

@KiltBill2

2 жыл бұрын

I'd argue that WW2 is important to understand British culture, but the Cold War matter more to understand today's geopolitics (Putin, China, Ukraine, etc)

@normangoldstuck8107

2 жыл бұрын

he was captured by Louis Botha, South Africa's first Prime minister after union, in the Boer War. He later confided in Jan Smuts, South Africa's wartime Prime minister. Like d South Africa as it then was. Surprised the racist theorists don't mention this.

@malpreece5008

8 ай бұрын

@@normangoldstuck8107 They probably do make reference to Churchill’s support of the Union of South Africa. Although, I fail to see how that’s something to criticise him for. After all, South Africa was better when it was a British colony.

@NicholasBrakespear

7 ай бұрын

I would go so far as to say that "our modern geo-political world order" is more than founded on these events; it's a direct continuation of them. There was no interruption, no line you can draw between one period and another. We are still living in the immediate, shell-shocked aftermath of those two world wars.

When can we have our country, history back? Do we need to retake it? What to do with the malevolents?

@Rustsamurai1

2 жыл бұрын

@Bon Q Reprogramming adventures in Rwanda dressed in a 'Hey, I'm a Tutsi' hoodie? The longer it's left, the greater the task.

@darbyheavey406

2 жыл бұрын

Fire them….most of them are public school teachers.

Outstanding!!!! Douglas is the MAN!!!

Churchill was the right man at the right time, inspired a nation to go on against overwhelming odds , an inspirational leader no doubt, a flawed man and a terrible (wannabe) battlefield commander, (Gallipoli etc) but would be a whole different world today without him.

@malpreece5008

8 ай бұрын

Gallipoli was a good idea poorly implemented.

@johnstirling6597

8 ай бұрын

@@malpreece5008 and woefully telegraphed to the enemy.

@firsttheycame0211

8 ай бұрын

I'm quite late to the party re this item but I have to agree with you. When everyone else wanted to appease Hitler, Churchill, because he knew what Hitler had been doing and what he was about, said "I will not talk to that man". He was the man the country needed at what was the darkest time in our country's history, and thank god for him

@seanmoran2743

8 ай бұрын

“I think a curse should rest on me - because I love this war. I know it’s smashing and shattering the lives of thousands every moment - and yet - I can’t help it - I enjoy every second of it.” - Winston Churchill letter to a friend

@seanmoran2743

8 ай бұрын

Churchills role in getting us into 1914 should be looked at closely

It's so crazy that the people who never stop bleating about fascism want to tear down the reputation of the greatest anti fascist in history.

Actually the French put up a good fight all things considered. They Germans lost 50 000 dead and more than half the tanks that were deployed. Moreover, the French sacrificed themselves in order to protect the British at Dunkirk, without which the War would probably have looked very different for the UK. The Legion Étrangère also helped win the battle of Narvik in may 1940. We can also refer to the "Cadets de Saumur", 2500 men that fought doggedly against 40.000 Germans and that were later given military honors by those same Germans at (the General Kurt Feld admired them so much that he released all the survivors). Finally, even the General Guderian wrote that "Despite the major tactical errors of the Allied command, the soldiers put up an obstinate resistance with a spirit of sacrifice worthy of the poilus (French troops) of 1916." Anyway, as a Frenchman I still love and admire Churchill and the Brits, whatever you may say. Cheers.

@khalidalali186

Жыл бұрын

Every sane human being, who has ever read a book about Germany during WWII, would in their right-mind, admire and cherish Churchill, regardless of where they’re from. I’m an Arab from Arabia, and I recall having his portrait in my bedroom during the early to mid 2000s.

@davidpryle3935

Жыл бұрын

Yes, Douglas was very selective with his history here. I expect better from someone so intelligent. His disingenuous and historically inaccurate comparison of Britain and France in WW2, wouldn’t be out of place coming from a crowd of English football hooligans, in the 70s or 80s.

@malpreece5008

8 ай бұрын

Much respect to our French friends for their sacrifices in WW2. I’ve just been reading about the French in Indochina, and the Foreign Legion loom large. Good fighters who are sometimes unfairly maligned in the Anglo-sphere. Also, the French built great architecture. Reading about how the French built Da Lat in the hills of Annam was very impressive. Beautiful French town planning and architecture…C’est magnifique!

@hugohugo2832

8 ай бұрын

Good point. Also the French were still completely wrecked by wW1

@MrSmegfish

8 ай бұрын

You can't criticise any one who fought back...the French resistance where very brave and crucial in the fight back. But Frances attitude towards foreign policy is woeful. Macro n continues that great tradition. So France needs to change.....

An interview with intelligent, reasonable commentators providing researched arguments in an engaging style? Have my subscription and future viewing, thank you Chris!

It’s possible to respect what Churchill did during world war 2 and also think he was a deeply flawed man who did some shit things

@somebloke13

2 жыл бұрын

The things he did were not seen as shit at the time. At the time they were perfectly normal and acceptable. In 100 years, how do you think people will feel about allowing children to be given puberty blockers and surgery to make them into something they are not? Hopefully, they might take your view and say it was done for good intentions, but it was shit idea...

@delaslight

2 жыл бұрын

Everyone is a deeply flawed man. So get over it.

@gerardoesquivel9919

2 жыл бұрын

@@somebloke13 bingo

@Annayasha

2 жыл бұрын

@@delaslight exactly. People are acting like they're all perfect.

@gizmotv9320

2 жыл бұрын

Clement atlee should get as much credit as Churchill

War on the West, Douglas Murray. Excellent read.

I’m happy that more people are discussing the attempt to destroy heroes in democratic countries in the west. Let’s also not forget what Hollywood is doing to heroes as well.

Very well articulated Sir. I will shake your hand if the opportunity presents itself

I don’t know much about Churchill but whatever he was, he was definitely a brave man and a leader who saved his country in time of immense troubles. I wouldn’t be shocked if he was a little bit racist, he was a man of different times although I never came across a racist quote of his not that I ever researched. Anyway no man is perfect but anyone who is sane will respect the man and the hero of WWII.

@carinamoses2704

Жыл бұрын

Churchill recruited and worked with a Jewish British war hero, Vera Rosenberg, and her Indian British lieutenant, the warrior-spy Noor Khan, during the war. He also ran the Spy Ring which hired Josephine Baker, an African American and French warrior-spy, civil rights leader and performing artist, giving her important missions. Finally he also relied on a gay Anglo-Saxon, Alan Turing, as a warrior-spy, inventor and scientist for winning the war. He was an unusually open and tolerant human, not just for his time, but by an objective standard.

Most people do not think of Churchill as a villain or Marx as a hero. Given modern literacy, I would say that most people do not think of either of them at all.

@andym9571

Жыл бұрын

Last year I asked my friends kids what they are taught about Churchill at school. ( They are 8 and 10 ). The answer was " he was a bad man who did some good things " .

@macrosense

Жыл бұрын

I am surprised an 8 or 10 year old would be taught anything about Churchill at school. Let alone remember it a month later. Did you ask them what he did that was good or bad?

I think one attraction of "European Marxism" to the post-colonial states was that it provided a good blueprint for dictatorship. Even when there are elections incumbents are often reluctant to leave the presidential office.

Thomas Jefferson University Hospital in Philadelphia is chaning their brand and eliminating the association with its namesake. They will remove his profile from the logo and turn it into a "J".

Great analysis. We can learn from that to reject other types who currently try to distroy our culture and rewrite our history.

Our enemies cannot defeat us by military means so they convince us to defeat ourselves.

@aarondillon912

7 ай бұрын

What enemy?

Ronald Reagan seems to be a bigger target for the left than even Lincoln. Which, not coincidentally, proves what a great leader and President he was.

Never has so much been owed by so many to one man!

@lidiaspazzard

8 ай бұрын

What do you mean?

@jamesclarksowers7060

8 ай бұрын

Winston’s famous speech about the battle of Briton applies to him as well.

@lidiaspazzard

8 ай бұрын

@@jamesclarksowers7060 Hmm.....very cryptic. Do you like this man?

They wish to replace our country's heroes with themselves.

What's interesting is Karl Marx has had one of the most influenicial concepts become normal in our society for decades: the class system. People adhere to their classification of themselves (working class, middle class, upper class). I think the whole concept is totally wrong and limiting for society.

@nicolasm400

2 жыл бұрын

Master / slaves Lord / serfs Employer / employees

@Kenobi5001

2 жыл бұрын

I think all societies arrange themselves in ways like this and always have, it is quite normal. I think the trick is to not let it limit you, treat people as individuals regardless of which class they identify with and get over the fact that you will be treated unfairly occasionally(can be difficult).

@j.t.5876

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kenobi5001 You make a point, which is fair enough. My issue is that western society bases their thinking on this very limited class system.

@j.t.5876

2 жыл бұрын

@@nicolasm400 correct

@LlibertarianGalt

2 жыл бұрын

​@@j.t.5876 class systems worked before capitalism, even during industrialisation. One of the issues I hold with Marx is the fact he was technically correct in his assessment of Industrial Germany/Britain at the time but his prophecies of worker revolts being inevitable were so wrong, it's what has led to the bloody revolutions in his name.

I don't hold Churchill to the same regard as most Britons. But that's because I'm Irish. However one cannot deny what Churchill did during WW2. And because of his leadership in WW2 I made a priority to visit his Statue when I visited London. Churchill is a WW2 hero. Without him Europe would look drastically different today. Regarding Ireland not so much a hero, "Black & Tans". Having said all that if I had to choose between Karl Marx and Churchill to raise my kids. It would be Churchill who would get that honor. Karl Marx was a blabbering hypocritical fool with highly dangerous and volatile ideologies which caused the deaths of 100s of millions of innocent people. Churchill was a mean old drunk who kicked Hitlers ass and saved 100s of millions of innocent people. If Churchill was around today he would probably post mean Tweets, and get banned of Social media and Karl Marx would be burning down buildings in firey but mostly peaceful protests. It's True.

@andym9571

Жыл бұрын

Look deeper into his actions involving Ireland and careful where you get the information from. After 1922 Michael Collins famously said ( or perhaps not so famously ) " tell Winston we couldnt have done it without him " .

@wraithpyriv

Жыл бұрын

@@andym9571 True. Michael Collins did say that. But Why?

@andym9571

Жыл бұрын

@@wraithpyriv Because Churchill was a fair man and he helped him. You have to read Churchills memoirs directly to get a sense of the man. There is so much crap written about him on the net with quotes taken out of context.

@petesmart1983

Жыл бұрын

Haha you mean Churchill who invented concentration camps?

@malpreece5008

8 ай бұрын

He must have regretted deploying the Black and Tans in Ireland? Trying to fight fire with fire wasn’t a good strategy. It’s sad the way things unfolded in Ireland in 1916. It would have been great if Britain and Ireland could have stayed together as united nations. Anyway, as a Brit I appreciate your comments.

Thank You 👍🏾❤️

Thank you Mr. Murray.

Agree with him that Churchill was a giant but what he said about the French rolling over was embarrassing. Many French soldiers fought valiantly in order to give the British the opportunity to evacuate.

@ktgiffin8147

Жыл бұрын

Not only that, they lost 220 000 men in eight months of fighting on the Maginot Line. That's more than the US lost in the entire war, both Pacific and European theatres. They didn't roll over, they fought hard and came up short against a bigger, stronger opponent.

@haggispixie

Жыл бұрын

He didn't question or insult the valiant efforts of French soldiers. They were not in charge. The French Elite were in a remarkably bad state of chaos where decisions are concerned which contributed heavily to the surrender of France in short order. I would be surprised if Murray was referring to the soldiers themselves rather than the disunity of the French Elite at the time.

@davidpryle3935

Жыл бұрын

Douglas Murray’s disingenuous and highly inaccurate comparison of Britain and France in WW2, is extremely disappointing, to say the least. His “history” in this instance, wouldn’t be out of place with a gang of English football hooligans from the 1970s or 80s. Apart from anything else, the fact that Britain was surrounded by the sea, makes the comparison completely invalid.

The interesting thing with Lincoln is that he wanted to go further with giving rights and freedoms to African Americans. But he knew how unpopular it would have been. So I don’t quite understand the hatred of Lincoln

@mrhyde2250

8 ай бұрын

Lincoln reported the plan to ship them off somewhere else.

Absolutely spot On! The same issue is happening in Australia where people like Captain Cook are being mocked. The British are blammed for the decline in Aboriginal people etc. There are calls to stop Australia Day on the 26/1 etc

I hold Admiral Nelson at a higher regard than Churchill but both to me will always be very very significant men who saved Britain

@peterpiper482

Жыл бұрын

Well,revisionist History but the truth is that Collingwood won the Battle of Trafalgar,while Nelson lay dying. However Collingwood so revered Nelson that he put all the praise on him. Sorry,but this is a fact.Not denying the feats of Nelson,but just not at Trafalgar. Well said Henry Ford, "History is Bunk"

Murray is to Britain what Sowell is to the US.

Protecting your people is not racism.

I love Douglas Murray. He’s like a Bond villain and his tongue and sharp wit are his weapons of mass destruction.

For the vast majority of the ‘normal citizens of the UK and probably the entire West, Churchill is and will always be a hero. As with every one no body is perfect.

A lot of the leftist hatred for the west that Douglas is describing comes from China imo, even though its spouted by westerners. I've started watching serpentZA's channel and the ADV podcast that Winston and his mate do, they lived in China for 14yrs so have a unique knowledge to share and they're both critical of the CCP. I recommend both the channels for anyone who wants to know how far China's tentacles reach and the tactics used.

@Misaka-gt5yj

2 жыл бұрын

Na it came from the Democrats. Do your research. Not even China is as depraved as trying to have men compete in women sports or make knowingly transmitting HIV a misdemeanor from a felony.... nor do they think men can get pregnant. The Baizuo are insane, disconnected from reality and even China ridicules the left.

@Misaka-gt5yj

2 жыл бұрын

It's thanks to the leftist professors. People like Richard Wolfe and Robert Reich, who want expanded central government power over your very lives that makes even the CCP look generous and magnanimous.

@petesmart1983

Жыл бұрын

You know that more country's hate America and Britain than anywhere else. Nothing to do with left or right, far right country's like Serbia,India, Russia Argentina hate us as well, china isn't a left wing country anymore it's right wing Maoism is dead

Hitler never intended to attack Britain, he actually admired Britain. England declared war on Germany.. and when Hitler found out he was GOB-SMACKED. He never thought we would after Chamberlain signed a non aggression pact with him. He actually used British rule in India as an example of how Germany would rule Eastern Europe. From our heritage to our culture, he admired it all. He actually professed that England and the Third Reich would be allies someday... Yet behind the scenes, right through the 1930's a great man, named Winston Churchill was expressing his disdain for the Fascist ruler. Only When atrocities were committed in the name of 'Lebensraum' (Living Space) and central Europe was almost under full Nazi control, did we turn to this man. Winston Churchill, a man with a chequered but admirable past, stepped fourth. A man who personified the heritage and glory of what this island nation is all about. A true warrior.. who fought in the trenches of Ploegsteer during WW1, the Anglo-Sudan War and the Second Boer War. Now Adolf had a worthy advisory, not only someone who matched him in influence but someone who had seen battle and lived to tell the tale. When Douglas says it was divine intervention, he's not joking.

@chrisdickinson7949

Жыл бұрын

TOTALLY agree with you ! I can't help but wonder if Sir Winston had a crystal ball back then & could see what is happening to Europe & the rest of the world now, He might not have fought so persistently against that particular new world order, In light of the current one being forced upon us Everything he warned us about & fought against !

@jamesblyth4966

Жыл бұрын

@Chip Belori no... no he didn't.

@jamesblyth4966

Жыл бұрын

@Chip Belori we are descendants of Germanic people, he saw us as allies.

@Al-ou3so

Жыл бұрын

You’re exactly right. Hitler admired Britain for their strong Aryan heritage and Britain’s ability to conquer foreign lands despite being such a small island in comparison.

@jamesblyth4966

Жыл бұрын

@@Al-ou3so exactly my friend.

A top video. Thanks.

Very accurate analysis of the anti-Western activism which has sprung up in recent years. Don't underestimate the intensity of their hatred

God Bless Churchill.

@carinamoses2704

Жыл бұрын

Amen. May the memory of the righteous be for a blessing.

This man has a magical voice.

Everybody in America 60 years ago knew Jefferson was a slaveowner. We all learned that in school. Now, young people seem to believe Lincoln was a slaveowner. LINCOLN!

@cobbler88

7 ай бұрын

All they "know" now is that Jefferson had children with slaves, which has actually never been proven and the chances of which are very remote. Granted, it took geneaologists and historians about 5 minutes to look all that up, but that appears to be the case.

You can always rely on Murray to provide a couple of Nuggets - which then often appear so obvious, AFTER he's articulated them

The chances of such a leader coming to the forefront in such a situation today is slim to none, now we demand purity from our leaders and we purge those we consider to have Character flaws. A boisterous drunkard like Churchill would have fallen from power quickly today as we become ever more puritan, our best people will always be the ones that go against the grain and often reject the straitjacket of societal norms.

Same thing with Columbus... When you look at all these attempts to problematize historical figures across cultures you very quickly realize its not about what they did but what they represent.

@wade2bosh

7 ай бұрын

he was a genocidal rapist tho

Just a little correction, the Channel Islands (part of Britain) were occupied by the Germans for most of the war and nothing was done about it. The only Allied European country not to be taken by the Axis forces was in fact Malta.

Love Douglas

The Churchill detractor can't get over the way he looked. They don't see things like self-reliance, determination, dogged, courage....even as virtues.

Douglas Murray is a blessing to this world.

@davidclayton.1511

Жыл бұрын

A gay, atheist, chritian conservative. Loved and supported every war in the Middle East, but hates refugees. A man is a walking contradiction and a symbol of how far the so called conservatives have fallen.

@seanmoran2743

8 ай бұрын

He’s a Neo Con Globalist I doubt the rest of the world likes him as much as people think

good stuff!

Ladies and Gentleman, Douglas Murray! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

IT always is selective vision.

Our ‘hero’s’ are never perfect and are products of times we have progressed from but they’re part of our history which we can gain a sense of ourselves from. I think what’s interesting is that people seem to think that because a country has stains on its past that it will forever be that thing and can’t move on or learn from it. Yes Britain will always have colonialism in its past and it should be known but it shouldn’t blur the good aspects of what Britain has done and could do in the future. As well as people have a narrow view of history as many people only know of the bad things Britain have done but are ignorant to the bad aspects of every country and culture of the past making them think our country is specifically bad.

@johnwright1447

7 ай бұрын

"Our ‘hero’s’ are never perfect and are products of times we have progressed from...." Or, in this case, regressed.

Essentially, the reason is because all our teachers have been educated by the heirs of the Frankfurt School for Social Sciences.

Churchil has statues everywhere. Is a hero in every school textbook. What an absurd premise.

"You can always count on The Americans doing the right thing, after they have tried everything else."Winston Churchill.

@dannym5865

7 ай бұрын

Tell me, what does your favorite little Churchill quip that is parroted throughout every "WW2 in Europe" video comment section on KZread.. have to do with what these two men are discussing here ? I'm gonna go with easy AmericaBAD points and a smathering of im14andthisisdeep/r. Why not do as the indians do and quote Henry Kissinger for the millionth time for some added bonus internet points as well? You're obviously an intellectual. You won't understand it, but you're literally contributing to the divisiveness that these two are discussing.

It's good to understand that historical figures are flawed humans and products of their time, but taking them out of the era they lived and judging them on modern morals is backwards

The 2 great myths of the American Civik War: 1)Robert E. Lee was a great general, 2)Abraham Lincoln was a great president.

The greatest Briton should of been William Wilberforce.

@malpreece5008

8 ай бұрын

Tbf, there are many contenders. Wilberforce is definitely in the running, but there have been so many great Brits who have contributed significantly to the world, it’s difficult to choose just one.

"What is the worldly cult of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly god? Money.. Money is the Jealous God of Israel, beside which no other god may exist" - Karl Marx, On The Jewish Question.

@stigcc

2 жыл бұрын

His father was the son of a rabbi. His real name was Moses Kiessel Marx Mordechai Levi

@LlibertarianGalt

2 жыл бұрын

@@stigcc His father abandoned the religion to practice law before Marx was born.

@stigcc

2 жыл бұрын

@@LlibertarianGalt It is more than a religion. It is a genetic condition.

@LlibertarianGalt

2 жыл бұрын

@@stigcc Marx felt the same way to a certain extent. I mean, his racist outbursts weren't few and far between in his private correspondence.

@yes-vy6bn

2 жыл бұрын

everyone should start out of contenxt quoting marx being racist 🤣

In times requiring action, not abstract idealism, Churchill stood for something and fell for nothing. He made mistakes and knew he might. But he had the conviction to stand for others and let history be the judge. Trying to change history by retrospective rewriting is a far easier fight. One where you can absolve yourself of any blame by the virtue of claiming victim hood with no actual consequences for yourself. This is the difference between bravery and cowardice.

@defaultytuser

8 ай бұрын

Excellently put

@neildepressedtyson540

7 ай бұрын

Congratulations you've said nothing

I think the reason is people actually have never looked up the information for their selves whether it's through different sources or just in general they only listen to what other people say they don't go through the history books or read the books written by each side and learn what every persons and peoples thought of each other

Why is Churchill a racist and Marx a hero? Because Communism/Marxism is egalitarian suffering based on disparities of social standing and not racial differences. It’s a great system to advocate for if you’re trying to destroy individual sovereignty and bring in a unified, centralized government that will suppress dissent and unpeople those that try to resist the new system.

@SniperDizzyJohny

2 жыл бұрын

Marx was a racist tho.

@carinamoses2704

Жыл бұрын

Actually Communism led mass slavery, Holodomor and the brutal atrocities of Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot and Ho Chi Minh. Now, blame for what use others made of Marx's ideas cannot be laid at his door. He likely would have been horrified. But in terms of political history, it is clear his ideas failed. That's an understatement.

@carinamoses2704

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention the Khmer Rouge.

@carinamoses2704

Жыл бұрын

And Russian colonization of Ukraine, Kyrgyzstan, Georgia and many diverse nations.

The evil people in this world 🌎

That Churchill is considered our greatest pm by so many just shows how little the many know Better leaders kept us out of continental wars during the 19th century

Douglas does swerve the question of “who is they?”

I have lived around so many white, middle-class 'socialists' for much of my adult life and the hypocracy of those people who see themselves as the virtuous, 'good guys' is astonishing. I think that the Carry On team did a great portrayal of this mindset with their movie, 'Carry on Don't Lose Your Head'.

Churchill is one of my heroes too. 🇺🇸 🇬🇧

Nicely done.

The tragedy is though that Britain lost everything because of WW2. It was ,perhaps ,our finest hour but it was a pyrrhic victory.

Could it simply be because Churchill is seen as a representation of British Empire colonialism and we finally came to agree (a few centuries too late) that colonialism was bad?

@gastonangelini8352

2 жыл бұрын

Its inaccurate judging the past with today standards. Just that , let history be what it is . We can learn from the past , to not make the same mistakes

@toomuchdata

2 жыл бұрын

@@gastonangelini8352 That is true. However, the standards aren't necessarily of today. A big part of the world had already expressed itself against colonialism in the XVII and XIX century, and England was exceptionally stubborn in continuing to expand its empire and acquiring colonies until the mid-XX century. It's now that the British people are finally coming to terms with the damage their colonial expansion caused (thus revising their heroes such as Churchill), but most of the rest of the world had been complaining about it for centuries.

@Smallpotato1965

2 жыл бұрын

A few thousand Indian women who would be burned alive upon the pyre of their husbands beggar to disagree with you

@thefarmer828

Жыл бұрын

What's brought more people out of poverty than colonialism?

@toomuchdata

Жыл бұрын

@@thefarmer828 Colonialism made those people poor by imposing a different economic system they never asked for upon them and place them at the bottom of the economic pyramid.

I have listened to tens of hours of Murray and probably hundreds hours of Williamson and this is the first video I have seen of ether. Couple of Handsom bastards aren’t they!

the term cometh the hour cometh the man describes Churchill to a tee, it doesn't matter what he did before 1940 the world faced unspeakable evil and lead by him we triumphed.

I love this video 📺❤️😎👍