“Don’t paint it!” …(we painted it)
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We recently finished up applying primer to the airframe of the DarkAero 1. We had the airplane disassembled for that project but now we are in the process of putting everything back together.
We thought it would be a good time to pause and show you the results of the paint work since the airplane obviously looks pretty different compared to its original naked carbon look. We also wanted to discuss some more of the details and lessons learned from painting and talk through what is next before we fly the airplane.
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You guys' professionalism shows through in spades. Can't wait to see it fly. :-)
@sloth6765
Жыл бұрын
Can't wait to accept a shipment full of beautiful carbon parts I can arrange in my workspace and make airplane noises with.
@andreasclemenz3300
Жыл бұрын
@@sloth6765 c6
This is coming along so well.
The white really looks great too - I'd leave it. At least in places the Caribbean you really end up going light colors everywhere, interior spaces of dark objects (ie, black plastic barrels etc) can become incredibly hot. To the degree you probably have some heat envelope sensitivity light paint is an incredibly easy solution.
@treneussen308
Жыл бұрын
I agree, it looks like apple made a plane 😍
The attention to details is just mind blowing. I think you have a unique combination of forward thinking innovation, communication and simplicity that will stand out in the future. I can't wait to see the first flight and the actual flight performances !
Good choice on deferring paint. I flew my Velocity in primer for about 2 years before painting. And I'm glad I did. Made a few fixes and changes that I probably wouldn't have done if it was in paint.
Can't wait to see this fly and hear about your testing process. Good luck in the final stages!
This story warms the heart, and the result is progressively more and more amazing. You guys are awesome. Thanks for sharing!
Getting close! And it looks amazing. I’m super excited for y’all!!!
You guys must be very proud, that is an amazing accomplishment! Looking gorgeous, great work on fairing and priming. You guys keep making intelligent choices.
Looking good guys! keep up the good work, I can't wait to see them fly!
Looking awesome, love the paint scheme. Can’t wait to see it fly.
Absolutely gorgeous guys!!! Cannot wait for its first flight!
I'm always impressed by the attention to the smallest detail and the design and manufacturing methods chosen with the builder in mind. They say beauty is in the eyes of the beholder in my eyes the aircraft is simply gorgeous. Thanks for the update.
Amazing build. Love the final paint scheme. It's perfect.
I believe I'm not the only one that would gladly watch over the entire design and assembling series if you bother to record it, I'd love to have a closer look on how you guys put it all together and how you dealt with the issues and testing
It’s a beauty! I wish you great success with this project.
If this has solid crosswind tolerance it will be the perfect cross country machine for someone like me that is a pilot and business owner with satellite offices spread across the country. We aren't big enough yet to justify a company plane, but it will pay for itself by saving me time for our current mission. Super excited to see the flight testing. I'd really love to build this as well. I'm a sucker for a well engineered design, and having followed this project I can say you guys have done a stellar job.
@anac3652
Жыл бұрын
A lancair 320 would be perfect for you now, if you enjoy working on the airplane as well, but I can 100% see the practical aspects of an airplane like this. I cant wait to see it fly
@jj4791
11 ай бұрын
This will handle crosswinds just fine. There is an exponential function of the earths boundary layer, it rapidly becomes nearly zero wind at the surface. The smaller and lower the airplane the less crosswind effects it during rotation and in the flare. It also will land rather fast for most General Aviation type aircraft. Due to wing loading, small wing, short wing chord, low Reynolds Number. Wing loading is your friend in gusting conditions because its less effected by bumps. Speed is your friend in a crosswind because of trigonometry. The faster you go, the lower the crosswind component for any given crosswinds strength and direction.
@abel4776
10 ай бұрын
Excuse my intrusion, but what do you do? Sounds like fun, fly for business :)
@AnonyMous-jf4lc
10 ай бұрын
@@abel4776 I own a specialized service company that contracts with municipalities across the country. There aren't direct flights to my client cities from where I'm located, so it's always a long endeavor to get there.
@spdcrzy
6 ай бұрын
@@abel4776 you'd think so...honestly, at a certain point, it becomes quite routine - especially if YOU'RE the pilot.
SO fun to watch your processes, and how meticulous you’re being in every step. I get the lighter paint(primer)- straight naked black carbon would create SO much heat fro the pilot and systems at every level. I also appreciate the level of cleanliness in your shop. I strive to use the same mindset, as much as I can with the tasks I perform at my home shop. Keep it up!
Thanks for the answer to the clear coat question! Your diligence is fun to watch.
One of the best carbon fiber looks I’ve seen is in the canoes manufactured by Placid Boatworks. They will gel coat parts that will be prone to scrapes and scratches, but the rest is bare carbon fiber BUT with a tinted resin so you get that gorgeous texture but with a brilliant red or green color. Some mix of white gelcoat with exposed tinted CF could look amazing on a plane.
@michaelc2321
11 ай бұрын
100%
Beauty and precision, nice work!
Beautiful work!
Sanno!!! Gorgeous airplane, great lines, superfit construction.
beautiful plane and professionally done. Nice!
Nice! I was expecting some news, since it’s been a while! Great job!
Impressive professionalism and discipline. Remarkable brother-team! Best wishes as you move toward flight testing!
So the "Aero" is not that "Dark". Isn't it? 😁I'll see myself out... Fascinating series. Looking forward to flight videos and data.
Love this channel, great content. Love the physics/maths explanations.
Didn't think it could look better, but here it is! I wonder: would there be anything to gain from building the fuselage differently (eg. monocoque instead of assembly)? Barring sheer cost, of course.
Gorgeous process. Love following!
BrightWhiteAero. Can`t wait to see the first flight. Good luck guys!!!
Your team inspires me to learn and do more in life. Thank you.
Awesome as usual! Amazing work
Looking SWEET. Can’t wait to see test flight
Beautiful bird!!! can't wait to see test flights! On the clear coat, have you tested "Glasurit - Carbon Fiber system", then finished with ceramic coat. - not sure if it is aerospace certified, but the stuff is fantastic.
On my 82” TV (via cast from iPhone), this ‘paint’ looks like satin white. And it looks way cool to me.
Always stoked to see a new video
The paint is absolutely gorgeous
Soooooooooooooo dope.. Thought i was gonna miss the bare carbon, but it looks sick...
Looks Epic. Keep it Up.
Sweet looking Aircraft !!!
Love it! Would love to see a model available for MSFS
How did you size the NACA vents? Is there good software to model flow for them? Also what kind of paint did you choose, I heard the brand but not the type.
High quality content as always
Honestly looks amazing just in light grey as it is!
@DarkAeroInc
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Elwin! The new look is growing on us as well.
Light Aero1 looking good!
I would take a look around the boating segment if you plan to go this route. There are many boats which have exposed clear coated carbon fiber as a structural element
WOW thats GORGEOUS 😍
Super smart not going with clear. It’s a gigantic pain. I have a WRC wing that’s just getting painted next time so it doesn’t need to be redone every 5 years.
That is a beautiful air frame
WE LOVE THE PASSION! One day I will own and fly a DarkAero1
Top work guys, you’ve created something amazing.
You didn't ask me - but IMO I'd paint that ship the brightest color I could stand. It's a prototype - I'd want it so da** bright I could see any crack, flaw, anything from five feet away 🙂 I'd also suggest a dark aircraft that size is going to be very hard to spot in perfect VFR conditions, let alone anything less than perfect. As an outside observer, it's been great watching you guys pull this all together. Stay safe, always check for FOD and all the best!
@jonasbaine3538
Жыл бұрын
Highlighter yellow or green?😂 construction 🦺 Jersey orange? 😂. I agree it’s already super hard spotting traffic while flying. A super small and super fast plane would be very hard to see.
What a beautiful machine! I assume 'production' will be for EAB kits? Curious how something as involved as a carbon fiber composite monocoque airframe and the 51% rule go together.
@TheOwenMajor
Жыл бұрын
From my understanding, it's 51% of tasks must be completed. And there of course is a limit to this, you wouldn't consider mining or smelting the aluminum used in a sheet as a task. I wouldn't be too worried, there is still plenty of work needed on the builder's end.
MORE UPDATES!!! love your content
Stoked to see it take flight
So smooth and so, so few joints, fillets even. I cannot wait to see how the flight tests/aerodynamics are in real life. Primer just makes it look even MORE perfect.
Love the Craftsmanship, can’t wait to see her fly. BTW does the new up coming rules for experimental amateur built have any impact on your business model? Hopefully positively?
@abel4776
10 ай бұрын
I'm guessing if it makes within the MOSAIC limitations, then it's be cool, otherwise it stays under EAA.
Looks SOOOO MUCH BETTER with a white paint job..this plane is awesome
Can't wait to see it fly
Curious why you went with the squared-off wingtips. Was this decision discussed in a previous video? I'd be interested to hear the reasoning.
Love these videos.
Beautiful. How many hours of fill and sand on the prototype? How many do you project on production?
Love all the updates, and as a fellow wisconsinite im proud of you guys! Keep it up :D Also are there plans for a 4 seater plane after dark aero hits mass production?
@DarkAeroInc
Жыл бұрын
Hi OzanKalan! Thank you for following along! A 4-seater would be a logical next step for us once production gets stable with the DarkAero 1, but we are focused on one airplane at a time for now. ;)
@LC_NOoSE_IV
Жыл бұрын
@@DarkAeroInc Do you think y'all would ever make a tandem version of the 2 seater also?
@snorttroll4379
Жыл бұрын
@@DarkAeroInc just build a notebook with ideas for the next version while you focus on the current one.
@abel4776
10 ай бұрын
@@LC_NOoSE_IV DarkAero 4 and DarkAero Jet Tandem :D
Thanks for all the awesome content! Did you weigh the craft after priming? What's the total weight of primer used once dry?
@swlowry5277
Жыл бұрын
2.5 gallons (rough estimate) * 7.5 pounds per gallon = about 20 lbs added weight for the primer coat.
Can you guys give an update on that custom antenna (on the back of the cockpit)?
Looking great … 😊
looks very good
You should upload way more videos
@jman592
Жыл бұрын
im also hungry for this kinda stuff, i bet these guys are really busy behind the scenes
Incredible work. I’m speechless
Can't wait for the next video.
Great set of videos that your are doing - really like them. However, one question: - why didn't you mount the fuselage on a rotisserie as they do in the motor vehicle rebuilds? It would have made things a bit easier for access.
Not far to go now before she takes to the skies, can't wait to see it!
Nice!
I mentioned this before. In boat building they sometimes paint the mold with polyurethane paint prior to layup. The paint sticks to the composite material not the mold, obviously.
@DarkAeroInc
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking out the video! Applying paint in the mold is something we could take advantage of, but we opted to not do this on the DarkAero 1 mainly for structural and quality inspection reasons. Paint obscures visual inspection on the mold face of the infused part after we demold it and inspect it for any dry spots. This inspection step is pretty critical for structural parts like the wing skins. There are other inspection methods like ultrasound that allow you to "see through" paint, but they are not as good as having the ability to simply visually inspect everything. The other reason we don't apply paint in the molds is that it would interfere with bonding airframe sections together since we have lap joint jogs molded right into the parts. Of course, there are ways around this too like masking off the bond areas of the mold or sanding the paint off of lap joints, but that probably adds more effort than just painting the whole airframe in a single operation.
@mckenziekeith7434
Жыл бұрын
@@DarkAeroInc thanks for the detailed reply, which makes sense!
Just curious why you taped off the entire canopy instead of taping the plastic at the edges. Looks awesome!
@DarkAeroInc
Жыл бұрын
We taped the entire canopy because paint gets everywhere! It's easier to clean up tape than to clean up paint accidents.
You guys works are very thorough, as far as engineering is concern. I have being following you since the begining and never disapointed in what I see, I am an inovator too, have you conscidered designing your craft arround a new technology of combustion engine that does not have crankshaft nor piston, this engine has change how combustion engine is, I am priviledge to see it... let me know what you think, one of the objective in the design of the said engine is to reduce weight size and increase efficiency close to electric motor efficiency.. and the amazin thing about this engine is it can be scale up or down at will and you can reduce power or increase power...
Honestly I think exposed carbon is overdone these days especially in cars. I’m a fan of a nice paint scheme with a little carbon accenting. Enjoying your vids for the work and process going into this. I have a dream to make a carbon tub sports car but I don’t think I’ll pursue it.
@lourensrudman4614
Жыл бұрын
Yes I fix broken carbon fibre bicycles and the carbon fibre look is overrated. My art teacher always said black is not a colour but the absence of light. Bring the colour on and let the light shine.
@johnhall7475
Жыл бұрын
I build a few acoustic guitars with carbon fiber, and appreciate the *light effect* that displays the deep, wet-look of the weave, yet I prefer a a little bit of logo/graphics/color accents to make the visual appearance really POP! The sound is the _real signature_, though..
Love the concept and your engineering excellence. Just a minor thought. I don’t see protection of the rudders in the event of a tail strike during take off or in the shop. Shaping the bottom of the rudders or a skid would do the job. Again congratulations on a magnificent achievement. Eager to see it fly but respect your patience in ensuring that first all is right.
Yes, paint it! Plenty of videos on the structure.
Just clear over the primer that thing looks frickin sleek
Whit the cad you use. They have a dedicated composite suite? For design, the parts layer by layer. If not, how do you make the layup drawings?
Love this thing ♥️
My favorite notification..... a new video from Dark Aero
So many companies fail when they start out under-capitalized, under-brained, and under-skilled. Happy to see this is not the case with DarkAero.
good looking aircraft
How much does UV bounce off pavement? I once heard that UV protection only on top wasn't enough.
Beautiful.
Do you think the seam on the fuselage will end up cracking the paint later on after flying for a bit? I guess we will find out? Just curious if you have considered that possibility.
@zorbakaput8537
Жыл бұрын
If they do get a paint crack on any glued CF seam they will have a much more serious problem with the carbon fibre.
@DarkAeroInc
Жыл бұрын
Hey Riley! We don’t anticipate seeing cracks along fuselage joints because the primer is pretty flexible. The PPG rep at AirVenture showed us a demo using an inflated balloon coated with their material that could be squeezed and flexed without any cracking issues. That said, we will see if flying the airplane reveals anything.
Beautiful machine
Can't wait to see this dream girl fly! Have you considered manual folding wings in version 2.0 for saving hangar space or a trailer hangar? (Like the Icon A5 or Grumman Wildcat STO-Wing design)
@mikehipperson
Жыл бұрын
The wings are the fuel tanks so making them fold would involve more complexity and weight.
This is my dream plane. I need a plane to get my wife and myself from California to Iowa, preferably non-stop. I figure this would be roughly 5 hours faster door-to door than the airlines....to go half way across the continent.
Guys painting the Aircraft is the right ✅️ thing 2 do . Perhaps leaving some areas underneath the Dark Aerio in Carbon would be a nice touch where the 🌞 ☀️ 🌤 doesn't get 2 it . Maybe a Competition 4 color scheme ? Love the Bubble Cockpit . Xcellent
I don’t have much to say other than this looks like a very fun airplane to fly and I want one. If it’s half as fast as it looks, you’re all in for a huge success.
It would be nice to see some of the amazing carbon fiber through clear coat, but it certainly isn't necessary, nor important given the amazing progress made on this prototype. White has some advantages as well. Reflects heat when sitting outside on the ramp or flying low in the equatorial regions of our planet. This is something a DarkAero may be doing one day... 😀👍
The marine world has been clear coating highly stressed carbon sailboat masts for years - but 5-10 years before you need to repaint. I've never seen any data on resin degredation however i.e. doesn't seem to be a problem. What's the HDT of the epoxy you're using?
Could you add a clear coat by adding clear UV resistant layers instead of paint and sanding it to a Polish
Just curious, have you guys ever investigated having an option for a CD-170 engine? I know you guys are worried with other things right now, but I'm curious as to what kind of range it would provide.
@jj4791
11 ай бұрын
That engine weighs +106lbs more, which would increase the empty weight fraction by over 14% and reduce payload by the same amount or fuel capacity by 17.5 gallons. That would reduce endurance by 1.7hrs and cut range by at least 425 miles at 250mph, 10.4gph. Its also down -30hp on the UL520. So a +14% increase in weight for a -15% reduction in power. Which would result in a substantial reduction in climb rate and possibly cause a dangerous low climb gradient. What would be the point? Spend twice as much on an engine to try and save a few hundred gallons of gas over the next decade or two?
My biggest wonder, not just with your aircraft but with all composite aircraft, is how the structure survives in weather. Will this aircraft have to be hangared, or will it handle being exposed to sun and rain, heart and cold?
Have you considered making a carbon fiber toroidal prop?