Let me please set the record straight: Kia will NEVER to better than Toyota....NEVERRRRR!!!!

@ECPP

9 ай бұрын

Pinned

@RedEyeC

9 ай бұрын

🤣😅🤣😅 what did they drill into us in basics?? "Never say never recruit".

@Phi.D.888

9 ай бұрын

​@@ECPPi wonder if the american motors said the same thing with Toyota and Honda when they just came out back than.

@estuardo2985

9 ай бұрын

Kia has a not impressive 2.0 liter engine with about 160 horse power paired with a cvt (time will tell if that cvt holds out and chances are people will dog the engine more to get up and going). I will mention the garbage upgrade of the smaller motor paired with a turbo which we all know the turbo will break down as soon as the warranty ends and that engine will be worn out too. On to Toyota, the base comes with a 2.5 liter engine with about 200'ish horse power paired with a 8 speed transmission which will probably last hundred of thousands of miles assuming you ignore any (lifetime doesn't need fluid replacement lie). People won't know about real quality until far more than a few years. The base Kia is msrp'ing about 25k'ish and the Toyota is msrp'ing at around 28k but IMO you might as well drop the 3k more and get the better vehicle.

@RedEyeC

9 ай бұрын

@@estuardo2985 - how much is Toyota paying you? Or is your last name Toyoda?? You have NEVER owned a Korean car - your blasphemous remarks therefore are NOT valid.

Comparing a kia to a Toyota with potential reliability was very unexpected.

So the Kia 150-200K and the Toyota 300k….I guess the answer is no KIA is not at the level of Toyota.

Hyundai and Kia have made huge inroads with the value aspect of vehicles. Bang for your buck, QPR, however you want to say it. Toyota and Honda have always sold cars based on the long term reliability, ease of care and maintenance, availability of parts, etc. But as you mention, both are experiencing some quality issues and moving into new territory with their engines and electronics. But at the end of the day, its just all about what you want in a vehicle, and how long you want to own it for.

Mark, I couldn't wait for your next video to post this. Monday morning at just before 5am - I saw a newer Kia Sorento with the entire front end on fire. The owner was standing on the side of the road waiting for the fire dept. You've been talking about this for quite awhile now, and I actually saw those warnings in real time.

@ECPP

9 ай бұрын

Whoa, thanks for sharing, that’s sad for the owner and many people just do. I have been preaching about this for awhile now and I wish many people

No, but I will say, Kia and Hyundai are some of the easier cars to work on at least. Mitsubishi as well.

@ECPP

9 ай бұрын

True and maybe the engines have quick connects so they can be swapped out quickly and easily

@WREKLOC

9 ай бұрын

@@ECPP as if they anticipated the engine replacements. Hmmm 🤔

@mynameisstilljafo4063

9 ай бұрын

Quite true. I owned two Elantras, and doing things like tune ups were about as easy as it gets.

@limelife7457

9 ай бұрын

And KIA/Hyundai are easier to break in and bypassing the car lock security system so thief can easily get away with it as their getaway car for crimes sprees later 😂

@WREKLOC

9 ай бұрын

@@limelife7457 lol very true. Even the type of issues that they have. Toyota might have a radio not working problem but Id rather have that than my engine catching on fire.

bought used Camry V6 that was 200k miles on it in college and now my cousins is driving the same vehicle with 467k miles on an original engine and trans…

@estuardo2985

9 ай бұрын

yeah those camry v6's were great. Their nemesis normally came in the form of an insurance adjuster after a wreck.

Toyota is making some decisions that I think are mistakes as you accurately pointed out, but throughout my lifetime I've been hearing how Kia's of today are nothing like they were made 10 years ago. Whether they are or not, they don't have bulletproof engines is the bottom line for me. I think they have become more demand because they spend more on styling and on marketing. Until I see examples of engines and transmissions from them consistently lasting past 200,000 mile mark I will not be impressed. Pretty much everyone I know that has had one has an engine fail before 100,000 miles. I don't know a major manufacturer that has been as consistently trouble some.

@kwilliams1958

8 ай бұрын

Very well stated...it's all about Show and Tell, not substantive reliability and longevity with the engines. I would like to see an analysis of the percentage of their engines make it to 100,000 miles before burning oil and throwing rods. My 90 Honda Accord had 270,000 plus miles when I let it go (engine still get 20 plus mpg in city), and I reached 298, 000 miles on a Honda 95 Odyssey when a wind shear/tornado blew out the windows that were too expensive to replace. The Hyundai handshake leaves much to be desired.

Toyota sales overall are down. Why? Unscrupulous manufacturer and dealership sales tactics.

@ECPP

9 ай бұрын

They did not fill the car lots and still have not. They are more or less filling orders in real time with 3-12 month delays. The scam artists come in the way of used sales and not so much new for Toyota

@sunilayya8948

9 ай бұрын

And dull styling across many suvs.

AWESOME & AMAZING channel..keep going my friend👏👏👏👏👏👍👍👍👍👍

My 2011 Kia Sorento was purchased in 2010. After 12 years and 97k miles, I replaced the serpentine belt and CV boots. This was the Kia's first major expense ever. Last November, I traded for a 2022 Toyota RAV4 Hybrid. The Toyota isn't as planted around corners and less comfortable after two hours in the driver's seat, but I enjoy seeing the fuel pump half as often and have no desire to go back to Kia.

👍 Mark great comparison and review, I hope all is well with you and your family 💪🏻✌️🤟🇨🇦

The only way a Hyundai/KIA outlasts a Toyota is if the Toyota is totaled in a collision.

2024 Kia Carnival w/3.5L NA w/dual Injection. The dual injection was key for me. Big hopes, gave Kia a chance. Runs GREAT on 93 octane.. the engine comes to life! Feels bumpy on Regular, 3 less MPG.. almost a ping, but not quite. The SX Prestige interior and sound system, and everything is absolutely superb. Couldn't be happier.. Very Quiet.. very agile w/ just FWD. The Cameras! Driver Aids.. This is truly a great car for a great price. I ordered mine, took 10 weeks from Korea.. Got it for MSRE! Typical markups were 5/6K around the DC area.

Yup, You're OnPoint 💯🙏. Sister No.3 Bought A 2023 Kia Sorento LX In January, Absolutely Luvs It, Despite Not A Lotta Bells & Whistles. Great Review ! As Always. 😉👌

@ECPP

9 ай бұрын

Thanks Don, yes there are many happy owners which seems to be why people are buying them

Kia's are for people who can't afford a Toyota or Honda but have enough money to forego public transportation. Kia/Hyundai, unlike Toyota, will try and reneg on their extended warranties. Hyundai marketing fluff; their life-time drive train warranty which is a ploy considering all the exclusions. Plus, no Kia will ever see ten years or 100K miles in service without a warranty excluded mechanical disaster taking it down first. At least Toyota buyers can park their cars in their garages and not worry about a pyromaniac Kia/Hyundai burning down the house. Kias are also easy to steal, the hooligans love 'em, but even they know enough to dump them after a night out.

thank you for reviewing the seltos :)

How is it possibly to say that a car is reliable based on a 2023 model ? It should be based on a vehicle that is several years old that's when you can determine it's reliability.

@ECPP

9 ай бұрын

Indeed time really will tell

Buy a mazda and you get a great combination of design and driving flair and good reliability. Buying a reliable car that is an eyesore ,as with many toyotas ,is not everyones preference. Also buying a good looking and feature rich kia/ hyundai with half baked engineering is not either.

@ECPP

9 ай бұрын

Mazda can teach Kia a lesson in manners and quality

@mynameisstilljafo4063

9 ай бұрын

I love my CX-5.

You’re a very stylish Canadian my friend. I dig those Prada shades!

@ECPP

9 ай бұрын

Thanks I appreciate that

@concernedcitizen2766

9 ай бұрын

@@ECPP quick question-what is your opinion of a CPO 2021 Lexus NX non-hybrid?

Depreciation is a factor to be considered when making comparisons. Depreciation is future value determined by perceived( or proven) values. A low depreciating vehicle is indicative of perceived in superiority. For those who want their money's worth there is only one choice in this great video.

Thank you Sir, for yet another excellent presentation, delivered as usual in your seemingly inexorable "machine gun mouthed" signature style! So buckle up buttercups, for the "right advice", delivered straight from the horses mouth! ... Migraine sufferers beware. Don't expect any "softly softly wallflower approach" from this wildly hyped up dude. Cheers! 😊🌟👊✨

I sold the 3 Koreans. I sold the Japanese. If you want a car for 5+ years, there is no way I would buy Korean. If I leased, why not?

An lnteresting comparison how does over the whole range of Kia and Hyundai compared with the whole Toyota range world wide in Australia we get different models compared to Canada and the USA

There hasn’t been a Kia Steltos on an American road longer than two years. Owners of just about ANY 2-yo car SHOULD still be satisfied. Time will tell and time is undoubtedly on Toyota’s side.

Hey really love the part where you interact with materials and tolerances up close with your hands. Very good job and good idea.

You keep saying Rav4 problems but pointing to the Kia...which one is it? We have a 2008 KIA Rio5 with all of those same problems you keep talking about. We are tired of changing the Cat every 2 years to pass smog. I want to know if this Kia has the same problems.

I have a 2022 RAV4 I bought new, in two years it hasn’t needed any repairs. It has held its value remarkably both factors aren’t present with Kia vehicles.

My friends 2016 Rav4 fuel pump just went off at 87K miles, the fix $1300 plus whiles my wife 2015 Elantra with 116K miles still intact so Toyotas quality control is going down gradually

I'll stick with my trusty Corolla!

@ECPP

9 ай бұрын

They are solid. A basic mode of transport that just runs and runs and runs

@zsb707

9 ай бұрын

@@ECPP Life is too short to drive boring cars though 😊 ...

@Raider19582

9 ай бұрын

@zsb707 I had a Z28 convertible so I've had fun lol.

@zsb707

9 ай бұрын

@@Raider19582 Okay then ....

@zhila5958

9 ай бұрын

@@Raider19582damn. you probably enjoyed every second of that z28

No thank you for Kia. They still have engines imploding and disintegrating transmissions. I'll take the Toyota everytime especially since the Kias are not even cheap anymore. Everyone I know that has had a Kia/Hyundai has never bought a second one.

@ECPP

9 ай бұрын

Exactly Hyundai and Kia were Ok when this junk was priced cheaply, now this trash is priced the same and more…..so WHY?

@brokeboy87

9 ай бұрын

I'm in several Kia and Hyundai groups and I've yet to hear any fire-related issues.

@davidvit

2 ай бұрын

I’ve had my Kia forte for 10 years. Bought new in 2014. Never had a problem with the car other than the evap canister. Only reason I’m selling it is to get something more updated and we will definitely be buying a Kia again. Can’t beat that warranty.

150-200k miles is a warmup for a Toyota! With annual maintenance one could expect 300-500k miles. Not sure about the newer models, but, 2003-2017ish, 300k+ miles is not rare! You can buy a 2007 tundra with 175k miles on it ( if it’s been properly maintained ) and get another 150-200k miles out of it!

The people running these surveys/polls need to stop asking customers about their own cars and start asking garages/mechanics - you know, the people actually working on the cars. No one wants to admit they've bought a garbage vehicle even when it's obvious. And please don't try to convince me of how reliable a new car is - talk to me again in five years.

@ECPP

9 ай бұрын

Thanks

First generation auto fires - going to happen, even with the best - I mean, even the Apollo 1 caught fire.

@ECPP

9 ай бұрын

Yes car fires are sadly not uncommon.

@brokeboy87

9 ай бұрын

Even Ford had a similar issue with some of their products. But the Kia and Hyundai groups still get the worst of it.

@RedEyeC

9 ай бұрын

@@brokeboy87 - that's because Japan has the bag on Korea. It's an Asian thing.

What about the Kia carnivaissues?. I would like to hear it?!.

I got a 2020 Corolla Sports Touring 2.0 GR which had NUMEROUS issues. The smell (chemical even after 1 1/2 years), a faulty muffler, a constant noise from the driver door ... funny ... or not ... the CHR I got while my car was in repair had the SAME sound coming from the back of the car as the door of my car had! I lean towards Lexus next ... but a older one. With a proper engine and reliable. Or I really look into Mazda. Seems to be the only reliable and good looking brands out there. Or I just end up buying a C6 😂😂😂

@ECPP

9 ай бұрын

Haha for sure. Toyota and the new electric water pump may be an area of concern as is the shift always from reliable 3.5L V6 to 2.4L turbo 4s may have challenges with time. We are seeing some things already with the new Tundras and Turbo 6 engines

People who still think Toyota is better in all aspects than Kia/Hyundai are living in the dark ages. The Koreans surpassed Toyota's build quality and materials quality nearly 20yrs ago. They've also got much better tech in them in the last few years. Both the RAV4 and the Seltos have had major issues in the past with faulty engine piston rings causing the engines to burn massive amounts of oil. The RAV4 about 10yrs ago was having problems with the interior build quality being really poor.

No, even with the 10 year warranty factored in. The Kia will be in the trash after 10 years or less.

I remember as a kid when Toyota was trying to break into the north American market in the late 60's early 70' their reliability and mpg were the selling points and they have pretty much stayed true to their mission. Kia def need to step up the quality of their cars. We owned a kia 10+ years ago and though reliability was there, the interior was cheap. From what I've seen in the present models, kia still needs to step it up in the quality department. Thanks M, great content. ✌️💚

@Phi.D.888

9 ай бұрын

Exactly

For an exotic car channel, you sure love to compare the most vanilla car available

Toyota has the magic formula. Big na engine with plugin hybrid boost. But they didn't just use it other then rav4 prime.

@ECPP

8 ай бұрын

Cheers

The reliability record depends on how you use the cars on similar situation. But still there are different view and models and how they last. Some car owners don't use cars with care as others. But Toyota suffered blow blow Subaru recently. You assessment depends on your market and the sample of survey you have

slamming a Turbo is easiest thing hence lesser engine life then NA engines.Its profitable too for the companies because they do not want those type vehicles which last longer now bcz they earn more from Parts.

*And that Kia gotta be 2021 or older since it has the old logo*

All hail the new king KIA FTW

Look i get it, Kia's may have improved reliability significantly, but look at how often they have recalls, TSB's, etc. Definitely no where near toyota.

Toyota ,Mazda and Honda then name it

@ECPP

Ай бұрын

Bingo

Why am I entertaining this?

@ECPP

9 ай бұрын

Because it is a compelling conversation

i think its more comparable with the corolla cross the rav4 is too much

@ECPP

9 ай бұрын

True and the Rav4 is a pretty reliable unit

You can ask a bunch of Mercedes and BMW owners if they are driving a quality vehicle and you will get an uninformed opinion as well.

Why are you talking about Toyota, but pointing at Kia?

I'm going for the Rav 4 😊

What s waste of a video... I love my Optima SXL and Palisade Calligraphy, but I know that they won't last as long as a Corolla, Land Cruiser, or 4Runner...

Maybe in electric form, because toyota full electric is not good.

@ECPP

9 ай бұрын

Nice

Comparing longevity between an auto that has 30 production years, to an auto that has 3 production years... hmmm... well, at least you're not knocking down the unproven Seltos.

@ECPP

9 ай бұрын

True. It they are priced in the same spot and letting them off the hook says what about people choosing one over a well tested and proven competiion

I liked your reviews generally, but saying seltos better than a RAV4 is totally not true!! if that what people saying then they don't know shit about cars.... RAV4 has better engine and mechanically can last mor than 300,000 miles easily ask any mechanic he will tell you RAV4 are one of the best car and most reliable.

Kia still has a long way to go to catch Toyota. Kia so cheap looking so many recalls. How much did Kia pay you???

Very interesting People can learn what is going on Re Electric water pumps in Toyotas engines? Is a German Engineering with Japanese parts BMW is a German engineer with very cheap Chinese Parts. Sample compare Japanise Bearing V,s Chinice one you getting the answer. Chinese build cars today have high-quality parts not German ones from garbage recycle metals. Germany the biggest con artists in the world know well how to make people stupid and believe what saying to them. Politics play the games of pure $$$ to the politician's pockets The recalls going for the Business expense what bringing to less pay the Taxes. When we have too many criminals on the streets the Police force problem or the same corrupted. When recall becomes just a day normality means Political problems allowing for manufacture go so easy. Toyota is very connected with BMW In Spain build BMW cars for BMW. Toyota sees what is and today can be used to improve the efficiency of the engines. Toyota Supra why not have the same problems as BMW - are the same cars only one built in Germany with Chinese recycled parts and the other one built in Japan with Japanese parts.

@ECPP

9 ай бұрын

That is a great point and issues are very real but glossed over

In todays market Mazda is better than both

@ECPP

7 ай бұрын

I actually will not argue with that

Kia is junk compared to Toyota

I’ve driven only Toyotas since I started driving, I owned 7, longest I kept one was for seven years. I’ve had issues with many of them (4Runner was the best) I’ve just purchased my first Kia and I will never go back to Toyota Not much to offer in a Toyota unless you pay more but if you plan on keeping your vehicle long term (10+ years) then Toyota would be the smart choice

Over hall toyota last longer and lexus ❤

@ECPP

8 ай бұрын

Nice

False statement hahaha

😆😆😆 this dude is tripping lmfao. KIA makes complete garbage lmfao

@ECPP

14 күн бұрын

They make junk in my opinion

I think that the Kia will last longer than the Toyota. For example, the older Sorento from the 2000's and the newer Telluride from today will last forever than any of these brand new, Toyota's, especially the Grand Highlander and the Sienna Hybrid. Thanks.

@AvengerAngel

9 ай бұрын

So, you "think" makes this a fact? Short list of Kia Sorrento issues before 60K miles: Engine failure Loss of power Faulty door handles Jerking with changing gear Headlights burnout Bad crankshaft pulley bolt Noisy air conditioner Electrical problems, such as faulty power windows, door locks, and mirrors Telluride (new models): LCD Malfunctions, EMC Power Control module (computer failure) Vibration in the steering wheel due to transmission problems Poor acceleration when driving on the freeway Wind noise and sound problems Defective windshields and sunroofs Toyota Highlander issues: Fuel pump malfunction, factory recall, repair Siena issues: Sliding door can malfunction, factory recall repair.

@sunilayya8948

9 ай бұрын

I am Not a toyota fan at all , but disagree with your statement.

@AvengerAngel

9 ай бұрын

That's the nice thing about having an opinion, you don't need to follow facts. @@sunilayya8948

@ouis-xv3vp

9 ай бұрын

As a technician the real fact is Toyotas and Honda are 10 times better built and they will outlast any KIA and Hyundai vehicles in 10 to 15 years no exceptions.

What does playing with the interior of a vehicle coincide with reliability

I still do not doubt that toyota is all time legend in reliability but its surprising to see how fast kia and hyundai is catching up price, options and now reliability while keeping cheap maintenance

@ECPP

9 ай бұрын

Cheers

I'll get a Kia or Hyundai when the sun sets in the north

Kia is dirt

@ECPP

9 ай бұрын

The quality has been very questionable with fires and recalls