I think for most applications standard .244 arrows are best all around! I have maybe 10 dozen shafts… from .244, 5mm, .204 and .166 arrows! I tend to have best luck with standard diameter maxima reds, vforce,BE Zombie slayer, and Easton 6.5mm. The outserts on the small diameter shafts tend to stick in bag targets… they possibly penetrate better and or fly better in windy conditions but are less forgiving coming off the string in my opinion. Shoot what you have confidence in. Most brands make a quality arrow. Standard diameter shafts are best value and price typically.

I wish I had done waaay more arrow research before buying my first set. Makes getting started way better

Love the Vforce arrows! With a draw length of 26.5, the sport version has enough straightness to equal the higher grades when cut to 28 inches or less. And it’s so cheap at less than $5 a shaft! It’s such a tremendous value that it’s hard for me to even consider the fat arrows! I’ll just learn to shoot better- aim small, hit small- rather than rely on line cutting! 🏹🎯 Thank you for your videos. I always find them very helpful.

Like you, I use standard carbon arrows, but mine are Bemans. I also love the good old 2315 aluminum. Been shooting them out of various bows for almost 30 years. Took my last archery deer with one. Complete pass through at 12 yards. There are a lot of choices out there in good quality arrows these days. It basically comes down to what you want to use them for and what you can afford.

Up at 2am watching Jack. WTH??? Beats sleeping apparently. Good review too.

I started out with the black eagle ximpact. (4mm) shot three deer with them. Broke all three arrows. Then I bought VAP TKO .250 spine. Two deer down without breaking an arrow.

Being new to the sport I am appreciative of the well thought out advise.

I hunt with the Victory TKO VAP's which r Micros & I put them in the Conquest Talon quiver which I would say is as important to me as my Prime bows or my Stan SX-3 release. Everything in the design is perfect & I bought it just for micros. Now stick with my 2 years of making Victory bare shaft theories. I have an arrow length from the throat of the nock to the end of my insert which is 29 &1/4". That insert is the long 50 grain Valkyrie insert. I either put the Valkyrie 210 grain field point or short Jag b.h. on it. My other hunting arrow is a Victory Xtorsion shaft @ 29 & 1/4" which has a 125 grain Ethics insert that I tip with a 125 grain tip. This is a standard diameter setup that I put into the G-5 Head-loc quiver. The 3rd shaft I built for my Prime 3D bow is 29 &1/2" & it has a short insert that goes into a Victory NVX 23 shaft. That shaft looks so fat & reminds me of the old 2314 aluminums I shot during the 90's. This is not a hunting setup which is fine cuz that 3D bow is not as nifty in a tree with it's 35" length & the FOC is embarrassingly low. I don't consider it as even outdoor shooting friendly either. All shafts r nock-tuned & made from scratch. The only thing I don't do is cut the shafts. I order a dozen @ the length I need. They r all Sport models. My 1st set of shafts were Gamers the previous year & I decided that I would invest in the Bohning or Last Chance Archery jig which I have mounted on a board. On 1 end of that board I mounted a Lumenok FAST. Fletched Arrow Squaring Tool. The $ I spent on that tool I more than made up for by buying the Sport model shafts 4 just 1 year alone. Would u build a house or even a dog or fish house without making it square? That's the reasoning behind this & the sense of accomplishment 👏 u get from it which is almost as good as having arrow after arrow doing exactly what they r made to do, shoot as straight as an arrow. Nock tuning b4 u fletch is such a difference since if u get excellent flight out of a shaft with nothing on the back end it gives u confidence that when u fletch them that your penetration couldn't possibly be better due to superior flight which is all that matters in the grand scheme of things. Not fps or knowing the exact distance will do u any good if u have 1 weak link in the chain. Have fun & keep shooting 😁

My do-all arrow is the Easton Axis 5mm in .400 spine (9.0 gpi), which gives me a good balance of weight:speed from my short 26.5" drawlength and 63# Bowtech Destroyer 350 and 65# Solution SS bows. They're pretty much indestructible and I shoot them in my 300 league, 3D shoots, Field Shoots, etc. I get 275 fps and 258 fps, respectively. I've been shooting these arrows for close to 20 years now. I do have a set of lightweight CarbonTech Cheetah arrows built for my 60# Diamond Infinite Edge Pro for those 20-yard shoots that require a max draw weight of 60#. I get 246 fps from this setup.

I was just had this discussion with my daughter who just this yr asked to go bow hunting. I haven't hunt in a long long time. We were just deciding what would be the best arrow for All-around activities. Target practice and hunting. Once again AJA has this information; and simple to understand....Thanks Again, very well done

@averagejackarchery

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for tuning in!

Easton arrows are Made In USA. The other brands are Made In Korea, Taiwan, China, and Mexico. I choose to shoot Easton arrows because I like to support goods and products made here by fellow hard working Americans.

I’ve experimented with a lot of arrows shafts over the past couple years and I keep coming back to good old standard diameter carbons (Victory Vforce and VF TKO for the win). Black Eagle Rampage and Spartan flew great but were brittle, but the Zombie Slayers were more durable. Victory VAP SS are super tough and fly well, but are expensive and outserts are annoying. Easton 6.5 Classics are good arrows also, but I prefer the Victory inserts and better weight tolerances.

As an example...if you buy a Gold Tip Hunter XT which is .003” straightness, which is cheaper than a Hunter Pro... you can cut the back end of the arrow, once you remove the nock and when you cut the front to fit your size, I’ve found you can achieve the .001” strait ness for less money. 👍🙏🏹🦌

Victory VAP TKO,- spend a few more dollars and you will not loose arrows to tree hit target misses or stump shots.

Victory arrows are amazing, I shoot VF TKO

This season i have used the victory vap ss. I like them but they still don't hold up to bone. Found out first hand.

Great video very informative 👍👍

I'm shooting gold tip kinetic kaos 340s year round. The way I view it, is I want to be practicing with what I'm hunting with... Always!

@voxpopuli905

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I got a cpl packs of GT cutdowns, certainly not the top of the line at gold tip, but I managed to build up some pretty damn good shooters out of them. Since then I got the maxima red and the Easton 6.5 acucarbon. I really liked the 6.5 but I soon found out they don’t survive any kind of hard impacts at all. The spiral construction was excellent for the tuning process but I had one snap right in the center on a deer. Perfect broadside shot. And then the next day I was shooting my 3D target and I made a yardage judgment that wasn’t good. I hit the plastic dovetail portion of the target and snapped another one. And I realized they probably won’t be very lethal if I get into some shoulder on a deer. And this is a 300 spine arrow too. Totally the opposite of what I wanted with my arrow build. So my step is a dozen hunter XT shafts and probably gonna stick with that

@Worleywoods

3 жыл бұрын

@@voxpopuli905, that's exactly why went with GT. They're some of the toughest arrows you can get. And the Kaos arrows come with nock bushings and ballistic collars for added protection. But to be honest with you, I actually prefer the V force arrows for accuracy and grouping over the GT hunters. And this coming season I may switch to Victory. But it's hard to give up the Kaos arrows that are absolute tanks!

Victory VForce are the best bang for your buck arrow for sure

Another good vid keep it up !

Short people! Ugh! In a 32" DL, and I agree! I'm relatively short at 6'6". Maybe a do all arrow would be better than the four types I shoot. 😆 Thanks for the video! God Bless!!

Thanks for the info, new-be here. Own nothing yet, but plan on picking up a bow + gear and start prepping for hunting 2021. On the arrows, if I went with the vForce what else would I need to set them up for target practice and switch over to hunting white tail in New England states?

@averagejackarchery

3 жыл бұрын

You'll need field tips for practice and broadheads for hunting. I like Allen and Magnus, respectively. In 125 grain.

Easton Match grade Axis 400 spine, 430 grains bear Cruzer x 62 pounds 27 inch draw 233 FPS. Not the fastest not the hardest hitter.. but it’ll get the work done.

I’m shooting the gold tip xt’s right now and they are almost 20yrs old. So for me they clearly are tough enough. I have a buddy who was getting rid of his archery stuff and he has the GT Velocities he’s giving me. My question are these as durable cuz they had to sacrifice something right to lose that weight?

I've shot V-forces for years, I've replaced my outdoor VAP shafts because of the forgiveness of the standard shafts and still shoot 265+ field rounds. Not to mention V-force gamers are as straight as any arrow I've ever seen. Best deal on them is from Elite archery, their arrows are. 001 V-forces that are rebranded..

@Belladonna293

2 жыл бұрын

So can i use them in official tournaments?

@matthamilton0081

2 жыл бұрын

@@Belladonna293 They're under 9.3mm/22 so they should be legal in any tournament. Typically theres only a maximum size...

As a beginner, I would like to choose something like 'Gold tip hunter' or 'Easton powerflight.' Cheaper, durable and work just fine.

@thistledewoutdoors3331

3 жыл бұрын

Ive shot a bunch of arrows thru my bowtech rpm360,,, Used to shoot the VAP elites but $$$ to replace... Found the Victory house brand arrows called the V6 350 sold at retailers like Dicks,Mills Fleet farm,Sportsman's warehouse,ect....... They come with Blazers with decent helical for $30/6 & sometimes on sale for even less..... I was so impressed by them that I bought a few dozen when on sale

@stick__shooter

3 жыл бұрын

Victory Vforce are very affordable and good arrows. Hunter XTs are good, as well as the Easton 6.5 Hunter Classic

Do you have the same set up on your bow for both carbon and aluminum arrows? Great video as usual!

@averagejackarchery

3 жыл бұрын

Since I use aluminum for target, it's a very different bow setup than my unting setups.

I shoot the VAP tko elites with 50 grain outsert 100 grain broadhead they shoot very good I just don’t feel like I get the punch I did with FMJ arrows I shot a deer at 86 yards last year with a fmj double lung and it went so far out the other side I still haven’t found it I have 24 vap tko elites so I’m all in on switching but if you have some fmj arrows they are great use them till you bend them and throw em away I want the victory SS arrows but they were very far behind when I made my order I wanted 12 of each and I was going to compare but I’m all carbon now

I’ll be using gold tip 22s for hunting this year. Will report back on durability! To me they really seem like the perfect all around arrow.

@averagejackarchery

Жыл бұрын

They are TOUGH as nails. Very underrated all around shaft.

Gt xt. Tough and accurate.

Does one exist in my mind? Kinda....there is absolutely no problem using hunting arrows for target shooting. For indoor however, using small and micro diameter arrows will be harder to hit the line, it can encourage the shooter to be more accurate, and to put more quality time with shooting, but on the other and it can frustrate other shooters who strive to be on the podium and are frustrted and mad at themselves and others when they don't make the top. Many outdoor arrows have a smaller diameter, maybe not to the point of getting micro diameter or hunting standard diameter, but I don't see why they can't be used. I haven't really done 3d or made a setup for 3d so I won't be the best to be talking about that. All in all, shoot whatever arrows you want and enjoy the sport of Archery!

Hi Jack, I order Easton flat line 340 arrows is this arrow good for hunting?? Love you vid from mizoram

@averagejackarchery

3 жыл бұрын

Yessir!

Are Easton 6.5 hunter match grade good for hunting ?

@averagejackarchery

3 жыл бұрын

Of course! The 6.5 line from Easton is just a condensing and rebranding of the Beman line Easton has always made. I don't dare to think of the millions of whitetails that have been shot by Beman arrows over the years.

Black eagle zombie slayers unbelievably straight out of the box and reasonably priced !!!!

What's the difference between a 6.5mm shaft and normal shafts plus the pros and cons by bowshop suggests the 6.5mm with me shooting a 54# compound with fingers at a 27.6 actual draw length not Nock or insert added on thanks

@averagejackarchery

Жыл бұрын

6.5mm Easton is a normal diameter arrow.

A great do it all arrow is the gold tip 22 series it does fine for hunting despite it’s light weight and large diameter as long as you pair it with a good head would not recommend mechanicals for this specific arrow set up though

@averagejackarchery

2 жыл бұрын

I have often contemplated just buying a few dozen 22's and just saying to heck with it. Shoot one and be done with every aspect of the sport!

@chasewaybright8766

2 жыл бұрын

@@averagejackarchery I have used them for hunting in the past and had great success but the weight is my only concern I like to be at at least 390gr or more as far as durability is concerned I have never had a problem with 22 and don’t personally know anyone who has that is one thing gold tip is good at is making a durable arrow

I've found, through a lot of trial and error, that the best do it all arrows are the one's I happen to find on sale, or clearance. I've done it all with these arrows! Don't understand how guys will spend up to 20 bucks on a single arrow, like Victory archery's "Xtorsion". You read that right, it's "extortion" to go along with that...and they even let you know it up front! Don't get me wrong, I'm not a cheap arrow snob, turning my nose up at all the overpriced high end pointy sticks. It's gravy when I catch a batch of Kinetics or Axis on sale. Hunt for life...and here's to hittin what's aiming at ya! P.S. "huge media blackout regarding supermoons"

What size field point do you use, for those arrows?

@averagejackarchery

3 жыл бұрын

VForce and GT XT are 5/16" 125 grain. Most other manufacturers are 9/32" like Carbon Express and Easton.

@fischerhobbs1732

3 жыл бұрын

@@averagejackarchery Thank you!

I got a new Elite Kure 60# with a 27 inch draw. Intermediate skill level, I most shoot foam outdoors and Turkey and whitetail hunt. What brand and spine and weight would you recommend. I'm in Southwestern Ohio.

@averagejackarchery

2 жыл бұрын

A 28" AMO length stock Victory VForce with a 125 or 150 grain point. Magnus Stinger/Buzzcut broadhead. Go kill stuff anywhere in the contiguous 48.

@dwaynecupp6708

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you soon much for the quick reply. Love your change and your laid back style! Keep it up!

I just bought my first Bow and I want to start hunting Elk, what is a good arrow for Elk ? Thanks

@averagejackarchery

3 жыл бұрын

If you want micro diameter, I strongly recommend the Victory VAPs. Excellent .166 shaft. Otherwose any standard diameter carbon will work great!

@MrSmitty6969

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@breckerickson2826

3 жыл бұрын

Look up the ranch fairy! Weird name I know but the dude knows what he’s talking about! You won’t regret it!

@MrSmitty6969

3 жыл бұрын

@@breckerickson2826 Thanks

@ObelixCMM

3 жыл бұрын

@@averagejackarchery or VAP TKO if you like bit heavier shafts

Easton hands down

I personally didn’t like the gt hunter xt for hunting or 3D. Went with Easton 6mm aftermath. $65/doz and fly great for everything.

Gold tips work just fine

@averagejackarchery

2 жыл бұрын

Love Gold Tip! Make some truly great arrows.

I wish they made broadheads for fat stiff 100spine target arrows! But they don't, so I use 250 spine XT hunters, for hunting. I shoot 29" 60# bows Micro diameter arrows belong in the garbage can.. Imo

About the Goldtip hunters... I dont get why they build the 500 spines only in 30 inch? Why so short? Makes no sense to me... I cant use them

@averagejackarchery

2 жыл бұрын

You need a 500 spine longer than 30"? You're either shooting insanely light poundage or desperately need to go to a 400 spine.

@riccoratzo

2 жыл бұрын

@@averagejackarchery Maybe i got something wrong. I shoot reflex deflex Longbow, only 3D. 43# on the fingers. I draw nearly 30.5 inches. I use the easton axis 500 and was looking for a lighter shaft. Goldtips would be nice, but for my draw they are too short. Maybe they are produced mainly for compound, thats why they are so short. I dont know...

When you say .245, .255 or .256 are all good diameters for 3D and hunting, are you talking about inside diameter or outside diameter? I went to look at what my existing arrows are and compared to some other brands and it looks like some manufacturers do not have both ID and OD on their website. I’m assuming you’re talking about ID. Thanks. Great video.

@averagejackarchery

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! ID is correct. Every company out there makes a 244-246 ID arrow. 244 is Easton and Carbon Express, 245 is Sirius and Victory, and 246 is Gold Tip.

Nice video, looks like your camera doesn't like that jacket. That is known as moiré effect and it's caused by binning pixels. Only way to fix it is not to wear anything with repeating pattern. Bigger lines are OK but small parallel lines cause that shimmering/dancing effect.

@averagejackarchery

3 жыл бұрын

I'll say it doesn't! Never has it done that to me before so I don't know what's up with it now.

350? Carbon arrows

Hard to beat Victory for the $$

@averagejackarchery

3 жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more!

@ObelixCMM

3 жыл бұрын

You can find Victory V-force for even lower price as rebranded store brand arrows. One example is Gander Mountain's Tec Hunter (.006" sport) and Tec Hunter Pro (.003" gamer) arrows

Victory arrows are made in Vietnam. Most other brands are made outside of the USA. Easton arrows are almost all made in the USA. I would encourage you to support American made products like Easton arrows.

@reaganriddle

2 жыл бұрын

That would be great if they were quality.

@Ricatonniisasavage8854

2 жыл бұрын

They’re so expensive though, If you’re an everyday archer, Victory, Gold Tip, or Black Eagle are better bangs for your Buck. I like Easton Axis & FMJ Pro Match Grade Series, but I also don’t wanna blow several hundred on a dozen arrows, when I could spend that money elsewhere. Victory VAP TKO or Gold Tip Kinetic Kaos for me, especially for Bow Hunting.

@reaganriddle

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ricatonniisasavage8854 what do you think the best bang for your buck small diameter arrow is? As in like 4 or 5 mm? The reason I ask is because I’m trying to build a 60 meter target setup.

@austinhayes3901

Жыл бұрын

There actually made in Mexico not Vietnam, they have a 50,000 square foot warehouse where they make all of the arrow tubes and all there carbon products then there distributed to there other hubs in the US

@dougfriendt8906

Жыл бұрын

@@austinhayes3901 Our local Scheels store carries their brand of Victory arrows called Vengence. The boxes say made in Vietnam. Maybe these were made prior to the move to Mexico.