The comic book media industry has an intense obsession with being the first to leak information and scoop news. The pressure on content creators and Hollywood insiders to constantly be ahead of the game is immense. Ultimately, this trend needs to come to an end.

Variety and Deadline also inform the studio before posting those stories. Usually they don't infringe copyright or reveal corporate secrets. And yes, leaking unauthorised images before the release of the film are corporate secrets.

but you guys didn't mention in this topic that these scoopers are charging money for subscriptions & 'extra scoops,' so not only are they potentially damaging the product but they are benefiting financially off of it as well.

@dorianmoore4403

24 күн бұрын

How is that different than Variety or Hollywood reporter? They charge subscriptions. Curious.

@davidletarte214

24 күн бұрын

@@dorianmoore4403 no you're right it isn't different in that regard but journalists working for those aren't gonna be compelled to reveal their sources & i'm not sure you can say the same about @canwegetsometoast... i mean just the fact that disney will now know their identity demonstrates how easy laws protecting sources can be circumvented via social media. we're really kinda just letting the world go at this point - just hand it all over to the tech bros so they can sell it out of the back of their vans to anyone willing to pay. ANYWAY

@jarg8

24 күн бұрын

If this information wasn't treated like the CIA Archives, there wouldn't be a market for such intense, source-based journalism. We don't need to be pro-corporation, here. These companies do it to themselves when they act like this over entertainment information. Hard to see it any other way.

@RealDeadPoolHere

24 күн бұрын

⁠@@jarg8So you wouldn’t be upset at all if someone leaked a unfinished product? I mean agree they shouldn’t be locked up like CIA archives. Although If I have a business regardless if it’s as big as Disney or as small as the local store, If a product I’m making got leaked before it’s finished, I would take legal action as well🤷‍♂️

@Sevensentai6918

24 күн бұрын

@@dorianmoore4403 Those big outlets aren’t leaking plot details (oranything they possibly can and charging for that info) AND they get in contract with the studios before publishing their stories/exclusives. It’s far from the same thing, but hey, try harder

The issue is that the leaker likely works for Disney and has signed non disclosure agreements.

Canwegetsometoast and Mytimetoshine are shaking in their boots right now 😂

I agree with Rob on this one, the leaks are clearly done out of malice and as an attempt to hurt the film. At some point, leakers need to stop hiding on Reddit and be held accountable for trying to hurt projects for monetary or political reasons.

Disney or Marvel can't force a new publisher to reveal their secrets but individual social media accounts aren't bound by those legal principles.

lol even Campea knows, “snitches get stitches”!

@OneMwataK

24 күн бұрын

He's Italian. Omerta runs deep

The difference is can we get some toast is leaking plot points, the big trades don’t do that

@tonileo9849

24 күн бұрын

Yep, i really hope this creates a precedent so there wouldnt be so many leaks because it really ruins the experience

@davidletarte214

24 күн бұрын

& they're charging for subscriptions & other 'exclusive' leaks... which, i think, is why marvel is goin so hard with it

Disney/Marvel finally realized just how much these leaks affect their stockholders, and decided to take action. That's what this is, and they have every right to do so.

@gronagor

24 күн бұрын

Heh. Disney loves to take legal action. Nothing new for them.

@joelrolston8736

24 күн бұрын

@@gronagor Yeah, but they might actually win this time!

"Johnny Camp ain't no snitch" JC 2022

What if the person leaking the information is an employee with a signed NDA?

@heavycritic9554

24 күн бұрын

That's the thing I think Disney are most worried about.

@c17sam90

24 күн бұрын

That’s the likely situation

I think that disney shouldnt have a rigjt to force anyone to disclose where they got movie information from. Mainly because, at the end of the day, its disneys security problem. Its their lack of oversight that lets these things get out, period. And once you start going to court to force people into giving up information on where the leaks came from, thats a VERY slippery slope. Its a quick jump from that , to no one can report on anything about an upcoming project.

Most times, these are people on the inside who are working on the film.

@tonileo9849

24 күн бұрын

I still remember Ascended Ancient who leakes an Infinity War clip all the way back in 2017

@yomerito3320

24 күн бұрын

Yeah and that people have NDAs signed 😅

Great point RB great point!!!!

I have no idea why anyone would want to be spoiled in a dumb news article. I hate spoilers.

I knew Marvel wanted this to be an espionage movie, but damn 😅

I can almost guarantee this has less to do with BNW and more to do with the fact that Toast has been a big part of Marvel leaks overall for the past few years now. And if I’m not mistaken, Toast is a She… if you’ve been on that side of Twitter long enough you know

Are MyTimeToShineHello and CanWeGetSomeToast the same person? Honestly have no idea

@ronny1x_

25 күн бұрын

same same but different

@Tangerine_6924

25 күн бұрын

I seem seen a thing that said there 2 different people but who knows when it’s anonymous

@tedenejp1644

25 күн бұрын

Yes she has two accounts

@Dachin55555

24 күн бұрын

I hate mytimetoshine awful takes and lies

John, I think you missed the point. There is a difference between the release of privileged information that a leaker shares or that a journalist finds, vs. an image that is leaked. Disney literally owns the latter, which is tangible property, so the substance of the argument is the leaking of Disney property. It doesn't have anything to do with an Instagrammer being anonymous vs. a journalist being on a byline. Now, there are plenty of arguments against Disney, but that's the crux. If the leaker had shared a set picture he/she took themselves, there wouldn't be a subpoena (although Disney still would try to find out the identity of the leaker).

An NDA is not something to be taken lightly, especially when the issuers are a multibillion dollar company.

I have an idea.. how about no company is allowed to put out leaks? I’m so sick and tired of every time a movie is coming out there are leaks that take away from the impact of the movie.. like you said, there were none during the original star war’s trilogy.. if you didn’t need them then you don’t need them now.. let the trailers speak for the movies and not these damn outlets.. I hope this is a domino effect and movie companies put a stop to these leaks

@jarg8

24 күн бұрын

It probably wouldn't be such a big deal if the intentional lack of transparency + desire for transparency weren't feeding directly into one another. Making something so sacred BEGS the curious mind. Especially when it's for movies, TV, and game news.

@NubianPrince2012

24 күн бұрын

@@jarg8 could you elaborate on your meaning of lack of transparency? Do you feel that marvel should announce with every project exactly what they are going to do, tone, plot, characters fully so that way people already know and won’t look for leaks?

If the toast account put "From sources" on the description, would that fix the issue?

At this point doesn’t Marvel make most of their actors and production people sign NDA and if so, doesn’t this become a legal matter

I've never read the trades before but do the ever print actual images from an upcoming movie that they haven't been licensed to do so? There's a big difference between printing "word of mouth" and "speculation/rumor" and publishing official images from a copywrited unreleasd piece of work that you don't have permission to do so. If the trades do do that, then I stand corrected.

Or Jon releasing photos of Toney and Andrew from Spider-Man no way home 🤣

Good.

WHY NO X-MEN 97 CONTENT😭😭

@arlopear7136

24 күн бұрын

Because they know their real clicks are shitting on bad to mediocre Marvel Disney+ shows like so many other KZread channels. This show isn't as obnoxious as those channels but they're just as disingenuous as they are.

@peartdahurt

24 күн бұрын

​@@arlopear7136Love the screen name and profile pic 😂😂

@arlopear7136

24 күн бұрын

@@peartdahurt thank you. Not too many people get the reference because "Moving" was one of Richard Pryor's most panned movies including by Pryor himself lol. But I loved "Moving" eventhough I know it's not all that good but I laugh a lot at it so it does its job 😂

@peartdahurt

24 күн бұрын

@@arlopear7136 I'm so surprised to hear that because that was some of his best work imo. Every time it's on I watch it and still laugh hysterically 🤣🤣

@Carlo_ReNews

24 күн бұрын

He’s talking about it a lot on Open Mic

I agree. If those that have signed an NDA there should be some type of repercussions on leaking information. Leakers sometime ruin the overall experience of the viewer and the studios are spending hundreds of millions of dollars on these projects.

4:37 I agree that what they are asking for is different. The question is, when Meta gives this information (I assume they will) and let’s say it’s a Joe Smo who was given “leaked” info - what will he/she do then? Will they be obliged to get up their source? Will they/can they fight that in court?

Can Instagram be treated like the telephone companies who are not responsible for what its users transmit over it, where News Agencies can be? In other words can Instagram have it both ways?

There's a difference between ideas and expression of ideas. Ideas are not copyrightable but their expression is. You can describe the image in question and describe plot points, but you cannot post the script or pieces of or or images of the movie. Those last 2 are copyright protected. And they can subpoena them if there is a strong indication that they will continue posting copyrighted material until they are cut off from the source.

You can't force a journalist to reveal it's source's. It's a thing.

'we have control of someone who is very close, very close, to the production! This person, this traitor, will be worth more to us than ten legions of Sardaukar!' - the people running that site, probably. Also - not all of us walk around with those in our pockets all the time, some of us even resisted having to upgrade to those types of phones till the companies made it more expensive to get the old dumb flip phones. I'd rather go back to the late 2000's when if I wanted to go out and take pictures while listening to music, and the ability to get a call or make one if needed, I had some heavy flip phone I could accidently launch and wouldn't even scratch the paint let alone break it (and didn't weird me out with how precise tracking it had), an MP3 player, and a camera - digital or film. Then again I'm also the guy who hates using wireless controllers and really hate how hard/more costly it tends to be to get wired ones.

I think they suspect it is someone employed by them. That could be really bad for this person.

@Vashrix

24 күн бұрын

Likely so, then again that person should not have leaked stuff.

Not a good look for Disney. I think Disney forgets that leaks help word of mouth, arguably No Way Home benefitted from this.

It's really interesting to hear the behind the scenes stories of the so-called Disney assassins

Back in 2005 my ISP received a cease-and-desist letter from Lucasfilm regarding an FTP server I was running where I was serving up behind the scenes photos from episode 3. My ISP made me sign a letter saying I would never run an FTP server again.

John, can we get a guest visit with you and Kristian Harloff on "The Next Big Thing"? I'd love to hear your thoughts on whats been going on.

A lot of channels here put out content on his scoops, that will be a bummer for them.

@loganbigmo

23 күн бұрын

her*

That's ridiculous, if they broke the copyright rules in Instagram, take the post or the account down-- there is no need to take them to court.

@christopherliverman8333

24 күн бұрын

It’s a reoccurring issue with this account….

There’s a special place in hell for people who leak spoilers. Absolutely hate it

I mean, I don’t like the spoilers being put out online for the movies a year out

On the other hand Warners took down fan-made film done long before their announcement (not even tge movie itself). So I feel some sort of fairness here, as people normally can do nothing to the studios. Their copyright crusade sometimes gets really beyond reasons and respect. KZreadrs who struggled with "fair use" can tell some stories.

Wow

Oh the irony of this video coming from the guy who leaked photos of Tobey & Andrew being in No Way Home 🤣🤣🤣

@Jab-Cajun91

7 күн бұрын

And kept it G by not snitching on his connect 💯

Can we get some toast is far from trying to damage the IP. There are many people that follow these leakers to get some idea of how the movie is going. Robert is so far off with his view in this!

@AlanDSouza-pe3gx

24 күн бұрын

Folks like you have ruined Marvel movies for the rest

@glennlittle124

24 күн бұрын

@AlanDSouza-pe3gx if you don't want to know, don't watch!

Those NWH pictures are the reason I discovered John and I've been a regular since lol

There are too many leaks out here now. Hopefully this crackdown will stop all the movies being spoiled

Marvel is trying to fire whoever leaked the image

😂 didn’t John campea leak Spider-Man 🕷️🕸️

Nobody going to go to the theaters to watch this dollar store Captain America anyways. Who cares if this leaks

this is horrbile. i hope they get this person.

I’m not sure “illegal” is the right word. In violation of an NDA sure. But there’s nothing illegal about that.

@pat-orl

24 күн бұрын

It is illegal to steal copyrighted material and use it however you want

@Apac12

23 күн бұрын

if you break NDA marvel can sue, so yes it's illegal

@Direwolf1166

23 күн бұрын

@@Apac12 nah, that’s a civil action. Not criminal.

Yep superhero fatigue😂😅

10:00 Disney is going after some hack IG account for leaking yet they leaked that Red Hulk is going to be in this movie to a thousand times more people with this McDonald's advertising than any Average Joe on social media could ever dream of reaching 😂

@Sevensentai6918

24 күн бұрын

Another case of not watching the video/not paying attention. Incorrect? Well in short, nice false equivalency. The Mickey D’s leak is a very different situation from these scoopers leaking everything they can (and charging people for this info, no less), but no doubt you’ll make a case against that

@Sevensentai6918

24 күн бұрын

The fact you think the two situations are the same is Hilarious! But rather than p0intlessly explain to you why, I’ll just leave it at …. adorbs 😂

This movie's going to be terrible. One of the heroes is a Zionist Israeli person whose name is literally named after the murder of Palestinians. I mean it's crazy unless they cut that character completely out. I don't know what chance this movie has. It's going to get so much hate and deservedly so

@gronagor

24 күн бұрын

Wow. You really hate them.

@brandonchristopher9657

24 күн бұрын

@@gronagor Google Sabra. Research the character and you let me know if you think it's okay

@reginesaguin1191

23 күн бұрын

​@@brandonchristopher9657Oh come on leave the real life events out of entertainment were here to enjoy not to judge stuff because of religious bs

@MountainBain

23 күн бұрын

Take your political out of Marvel. We don't want them

@TheMagicJIZZ

23 күн бұрын

​@@brandonchristopher9657why do you hate all Israelis

Not canwegetsometoast. Say it ain’t so! I could be wrong but I don’t feel like it’s malicious. If anything, I think they’re a fan too.

On the other hand Warners took down fan-made film done long before their announcement (not even tge movie itself). So I feel some sort of fairness here, as people normally can do nothing to the studios. Their copyright crusade sometimes gets really beyond reasons and respect. KZreadrs who struggled with "fair use" can tell some stories.