Holy fuck, I assumed you were a channel with like 100k-1m subscribers with that quality of content, you earned a fan!

@hola-ku1hd

3 жыл бұрын

Yep

An actual review from someone who KNOWS what this game is all about and understand all the mechanics! This was a great watch (as are all your others Disgaea reviews). Laughed a lot watching it!

@Mint_Condition

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, thank you. I laughed a lot making it!

In defense of Valvatorez' character. Valvatorez is, deliberately, a character that shouldn't be the protagonist. He's what would happen if Obi Wan, or Gandalf, or someone like that were forced to be the main character. And Valvatorez knows it. He repeatedly states as such. It's absurd that a character like him be the main character, and speaks to the degradation of the Netherworld that characters like Fuka or Emizel SHOULD be the ones taking up the torch of rebellion, but no, Valvatorez has to do it. Valvatorez is a completely flat character, because he has already had his big defining adventure in the past. Twice even. He's a very meta-aware and meta-challenging character, whose only goal is to fix the netherworld to a point where one of the young kids who should be protagonist can take over, and he can go back home to his 9/5. But it keeps dragging him back in, because counting on Fuka is a disaster waiting to happen.

@Mint_Condition

2 жыл бұрын

I think Valvatorez is more interesting than a lot of other characters in the group. I didn't really expect character growth out of him, because only one character really grows and ironically I've seen people call him annoying because of that. If anything Valvatorez carries the group, but that is mostly due to his VA if you ask me. I can't say I'd like him as much if it wasn't for his VA absolutely killing it.

@aprinnyonbreak1290

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mint_Condition I do agree. Troy Baker's performance absolutely sells the idea of Valvatorez being an eccentric loon forced into the position he is, and I'm not sure that his charictarization would have worked as well without it. What makes Valvatorez' character interesting on its own does frankly have little to do with the moment-to-moment character and chemistry and relies more on the meta narrative, and it's the performance that makes him more completely enjoyable. I imagine that without that performance to sell the character in average scenes, he'd actually be pretty similar to Seraphina. Very, very interesting character from a meta-narrative perspective, but pretty awful in terms of actually being an enjoyable one that contributes to the overall feeling of the game, chemistry of the cast, and execution of the plot, unless you're a nerd, or if they strike exactly the right points for you.

@anubis7457

Жыл бұрын

@@Mint_Condition I love his SARDINES! cry, but if he had a bad voice I’d hate him/

@immortalfrieza

9 ай бұрын

No. Valvatorez takes up the torch of rebellion because no one else is willing nor able. For reasons that make no actual sense of course but he's in a Disgaea game. If anything, Valvatorez *Is* Main Character material but is in deep denial of that fact as he is in a lot of things. Valvatorez easily the most unambiguously heroic character in the entire Disgaea series, to the point that in D4 he's the only protagonist who never has a "goes crazy and kills everybody" ending. Valvatorez doesn't need character development because he's already extremely deep to begin with, his development comes from finding out why he is the way he is. In the present Valvatorez helps the other characters get off their butts and take charge of their destiny throughout the story, he's a leader and facilitates the growth of his subordinates. I love Valvatorez because aside from a couple token lines he doesn't go with the whole "I'm evil because I'm a demon but I'm really only saying this because I'm a demon and I should" schmick that the rest of the demons in Disgaea do. He's a hero and all but completely unashamed of it, or perhaps simply oblivious to it, it's hard to tell sometimes. Aside from being instead a VA that was completely awful, whether Troy Baker was the one voicing Valvatorez wouldn't have mattered one iota on whether Valvatorez was a great character. It helps but as long as the VA was decent Valvatorez would've worked just as well regardless. Yes, Valvatorez at the end of the day does carry the plot as a whole, but it's not because of Troy Baker by any stretch, it's due to his character. He definitely was constantly saying interesting and above all inspiring stuff throughout the whole main story.

@awakenedzero4174

5 ай бұрын

@@immortalfrieza agreed, the game literally told us that he is THE king of vampire demons at the very beginning of D4, and the corrupted world, the way things work, needs to be fixed, not just putting some individual villains down. Through the entire game he behaved just like a true leader, being a spotless character doesn't mean he can't be protagonist, can't imagine some lousy/emo/naughty kids who care more about their own life choice to take the leadership

Find this channel searching for disgaea videos, nice, keep going man

Really fucking love your Disgaea reviews. I don't even play Disgaea

Bruh this review is top tier 10/10

I feel like you could do a review of blowing up an orphanage and still find a way to get me to laugh.

@Mint_Condition

3 жыл бұрын

"3/10. The bacon was tasty, but there weren't any kids to be found."

@hola-ku1hd

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mint_Condition lmfao

Honestly I like the story of 4, Fuka and all, but to each their own, (probably just my nostalgia talking). Anyway love the review and it’s humor, super glad i found your channel. Subscribing and looking forward to a review of disgaea 5 and it’s garbage fire of a plot. Edit: also I appreciate that you acknowledge how the English voice actor for Valvatorez absolutely carries the character, because he does.

@Mint_Condition

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the kind words :) I think Anime games are a lot more subjective. Every time I talk to someone about a series I get really unexpected answers that I feel I wouldn't get from another medium. People either really love or hate Persona characters for example. People hate the characters I like and vice versa. You're either going to like them or not. I think it comes down to the simplistic writing and extended exposure. I don't think you could make a 20 hour cinematic compilation out of something like Halo for instance, but you can for Disgaea, Persona and other story heavy JRPGs. As for a Disgaea 5 review, you're in for a treat, as I'm working on it right now. I can't give a solid ETA but the hard part is over at least.

your videos are *hidden gems* man, don't stop doing em so disgaea dd2 review when

@Mint_Condition

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you :) Probably never. As much as I'd love to it's PS3 locked, and I'm not sure how I'd get around to recording it. I own a PS3 obviously, but I haven't turned it on in years and not am I not sure it works, but I'm not sure if I can record with it either.

your the reason i gave the game a second chance.

@Mint_Condition

3 жыл бұрын

I hope you enjoy it.

Surprisingly was entertained watching this vid and disgaea 2. Good work man!

I just wanted to let you know that this, and the other reviews, are straight up inspirational. I actually extremely want to make some sort of disgaea video or channel or something but boy, the best content is right here already.

@Mint_Condition

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! You should make something that you're passionate about, even if it's something I've covered. You can still put your own spin on it. The Disgaea series needs more attention. Even if not Disgaea, I'm sure you have plenty to say about other series/games :)

I’ve been waiting for this :)

@Mint_Condition

3 жыл бұрын

Hopefully it was worth the wait.

this channel is a fucking gem

@hola-ku1hd

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

Excellent content, dude.

This is great man

Awesome review. I finished the 5th on Switch yesterday and it was my first Disgaea game. Now i'm looking what to play next to get the fix.

@Mint_Condition

3 жыл бұрын

If Disgaea D2 was easier to get ahold of, I'd recommend that. It's really close in terms of being the best mechanically. It has a better story than 5, and 5 borrows a lot of it's ideas. It's hard for me to say which is better since I haven't played DD2 since 2014 or so. It's locked to the PS3, which makes it inconvenient to play, but it's essentially a modern (for it's time) take on the Disgaea 1-2 formula, which I prefer to the 3-4 formula. It gets a lot of flak for it's release issues, as well as the lack of "post game content", but I loved every second of it. It's hard to simply recommend each title, because bar 3 and 4 they all play pretty differently. Even 1 and 2 have a lot of differences even though 2 is just (in the gameplay department) a supped up version of 1. What did you enjoy most about Disgaea 5?

@Darkho1y

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mint_Condition Yeah, I have an old PS3 somewhere but I'd prefer not to go thru hassle of getting a preowned game :) Things I really enjoyed about D5: 1) while being silly, i was surprised it had actual character development (even some Final Fantasy games had much less of it, especially 12). 2) Grinding thru item worlds to become a one punch man. 3) I enjoyed all the sprite works and skill animations. Things I didn't really like: 1) Some tilesets were waaay to colorful for a demon themed game (Candy worlds, present wrapper tiles, toto bunny with zombies was funny but ugh). 2) Overabundance of mechanics that i didn't quite care about like sub classes, (quite an obscure mechanic tbh. Took me time to realize that you get them for more evilities and stat bonuses for future reincarnations), curry making, summoning netherworlds etc. I really think I might enjoy D2 the most in the series. It looks coherent, like a proper fantasy game. It has less systems and from what I've heard it has the most solid story. Funny that no one recommends D6 :)

@Mint_Condition

3 жыл бұрын

@@Darkho1y Disgaea 6 has hard casualized the game and also removed a lot of content that would be present if NIS wasn't going through a financial crisis when they made it. Disgaea 5 is the most serious out of the entire series, and I think 1 and 2 strike a perfect balance between light hearted fun and serious moments. Unfortunately I do not like 5's story though due to how poorly executed it was, and despite having a more serious plot it could not capitalize (in my opinion) on the kind of gravity the serious moments in Disgaea 1 and 2 could have. As for mechanics, I think that DD2 is a good example of really clear, concise mechanics that are both explained, make sense and feel good to use. You can download it digitally if that's up your alley. Disgaea 2 is my personal favorite game in the series, but it does have some flaws and is the game I've noticed that people are most critical of these days (It used to be 3) If you're willing to check it out the ideal way to play it is on PSP because it's portable, but the PC port is really good too and comes with Disgaea 5 DLC, features not found in the PSP versions such as enhanced graphics and all of the DLC from the PSP version, including some that was unavailable outside of Japan. I don't think the DLC matters, but it's still worth mentioning. Outside of that I think it's worth mentioning that Disgaea 2 is a lot more direct. Where as Disgaea 5 has something like 3 grinding methods you have to tackle the post game, and even survive item world, you basically just grind up items and levels the whole game, and level grinding is basically unimportant after you hit 9999 the first few times, and really not needed. There's also a number of features present in the first 2 games that you will not find outside of them. Best of luck, and I hope that I helped even a little :)

You're very underated

Fun video, takes me back to the days when I was a young kid on the internet in the 2000s. The Way was the only RPG Maker game I actually played from from beginning to end back then. Maybe I'll get around to replaying it someday.

Great review

@Mint_Condition

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

i love your style

these are some stellar reviews. fenrich really is best boy

You used Flyff music? AND Maplestory XP gauge+exitgame popup? Just got yourself a fan, man. Thinking of buying Disgaea 4 and came to see your review, i'm a Disgaea 2 dude as well xD keep up the good work

@Mint_Condition

3 жыл бұрын

Maplestory has it's fangs hooked in me from time to time, and I have good memories with FlyFF. Funny story. I went to go get the gauge footage and wound up playing longer than anticipated. They just know how to keep me playing.

4 is my second favorite after 1. Nice review.

Watching this reminded me of when my boyfriend told me he wanted to pass a "Extort War Funds" (or whatever it was called in D4 to get money from the senate), where it was only a 1% chance to pass. He would have failed it, but he got it passed by getting Fuka drunk.

@Mint_Condition

3 ай бұрын

High quality tactics for 500 HL profit.

I kinda miss the squad fighting system from Nomad & the Soul Eaters, like imagine if we could have all the Disgaea mechanics and absurd numbers, but on a grand netherworld map you need to conquer in the end of the game. im talking massive squad numbers which further inflate the number of required damage so much the screen cant communicate to you proper how much fucking damage you deal. on an unrelated note

@Mint_Condition

2 жыл бұрын

I'd rather have them seperate. It sort of feels like they've lost their passion making Disgaea games and I'd love to see them experiment with new ideas for mechanics again, but I think they're afraid to do that at this point.

Muh lord

What is New Veldime? I'm deep into the post game and I've been googling around and I can't find anyone anywhere who says anything about unlocking Veldime... Was the footage of Val and Fen walking through Veldime a mod thing or what???

@Mint_Condition

Жыл бұрын

You can edit your custom base as a replacement HQ for the default. Naturally there is a Veldime map that you can use as part of the DLC connected to Adell and Rozalin. This is included by default in the enhanced versions (any version but PS3.) I just call it "New Veldime" since it's not really Veldime. It's my own sovereign nation.

@DeludedDreamer

Жыл бұрын

@Mint_Condition Ahhhhh I completely missed that function of the map maker... Every time I think I have this game figured out it's hiding even more secrets haha

2:59 "and that it cured cancer" Every review for Super Mario Bros. in a nutshell... ...also nice tabs bro

@Mint_Condition

3 жыл бұрын

Was waiting for someone to notice them.

When phantom brave or Makai Kingdom PSP?

@Mint_Condition

3 жыл бұрын

Probably a good while off, but I will get to it. There are a lot of games I want to review. NIS games are great though.

@coonrat1

3 жыл бұрын

Makai Kingdom psp was Japan only

@TA-ku7xk

3 жыл бұрын

@@coonrat1 There is a very good translation in internet

@coonrat1

3 жыл бұрын

@@TA-ku7xk oh nice

Give us that disgaea 5 video. We will like we will watch we will love

@Mint_Condition

3 жыл бұрын

It's coming eventually. It's just a matter of when, as I have another review on the way and I've also been playing Disgaea 6.

@Beautifulconversation

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mint_Condition man you have Disgaea 6 early.. say less enjoy. Love that for you

based

@SynergX8

3 жыл бұрын

E

I love Desco.

Fuka is best girl. Good vid

ive been looking everywhere trying to find out how to unlock the veldime hub in this video but i cant find anything. is it a mod?

@Mint_Condition

2 жыл бұрын

Is it not there by default? What version of the game are you playing? It's most likely part of the DLC involving Adell and Rozalin. If you're playing base game you might not have it.

@nickiboymeow

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mint_Condition im playing the complete + version on steam. are you just supposed to get there after beating the main story? i beat the main story but i dont see a bill for it or anything. or maybe its like super obvious and im just dumb lol

@Mint_Condition

2 жыл бұрын

@@nickiboymeow Do you have the other hubs, such as the classrooms?

@nickiboymeow

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mint_Condition not that im aware of. is there something you’d have to do to unlock them? or are they just somewhere i havent looked?

@Mint_Condition

2 жыл бұрын

@@nickiboymeow It should be here: i.imgur.com/Ks7yVKa.jpeg For me it's almost at the top of the list (after choosing that option). I can check through my video files but I don't think I did anything special.

I find myself completely disagreeing with you on this reviews and I love it. That's what this series is about. "It has a little something for everyone". But no, seriously, 4 to this day is my favourite story and either my favourite or second favourite cast of characters. Valvatorez is top 3-ish protagonist in the series for me, I do not care too much for Fenriz and bow girl but I love like Fuka and absolutely love Desco. Emizel is also pretty cool.

I'm kind of at odds with "Disgaea 4". I remember when it first released on PS3, I really hated it. So much so that it basically was the only entry in the series I never even finished the main story of (got midway through chapter 8 before quitting) whereas every other entry I usually went as far as finishing their post games, or most of it anyway. And yet, it was the most popular entry. Even when it got an enhanced re-release on PSVita, I skipped it. And that was knowing full well that it had a host of massive improvements, a treatment that managed to push "3" from an entry I enjoyed to an entry I loved. Even knowing that, I still hated "4" enough to not want to bother. Until earlier this year, with "6" on the near horizon and my obsession over PSN trophies in full force, I reluctantly decided to finally revisit "4" to finish it. The original PS3 version at that. And strangely, I enjoyed it. Granted, I skipped every cutscene and basically speed-ran through the game with all animations turned off. Like the original PS3 version of "3", it lacked polish and some QoL features but I legitimately enjoyed my time with it regardless. Enough so that I went through the 200 hour process to obtain the platinum. The reason I played the original first in such a way was cause I ultimately did decide to play the enhanced re-release of "4" at a latter date. But with all the additions, improvements, and included DLC, I'd play it properly this time...aka, watching all the cutscenes. And well, that "latter date" happens to be now and I'm currently replaying it as I'm typing this. And you know what, I'm having a rough time. I've realized that what stopped me from liking "4" weren't the mechanics or game design, since I enjoyed the rougher PS3 version just fine, it was the abysmal story and character interactions. The attack animations as well I've realized I think mostly suck but whatever, that's a small issue comparatively. I'm resisting the urge to go on a full blown rant over how much I'm hating the story but in short. The characters in a vacuum are quirky and amusing but not when their single-notedness is hamfisted in your face this constantly. Axel, my god, poor Axel's characterization is beyond butchered here. Flonne too, but not as bad. Nearly every lore implication actively hurts the series retroactively. It's astounding. I actually like "6" more in this regard...and that entry is an active mess. I cannot wait to be done with the story so I can just concentrate on doing all the grinding and collecting nonsense. So essentially, more or less your feelings almost exactly. I already have a couple characters at 1000+ and obtained a Puppy Paw Stick. Now I just need to play through the story until I unlock the Bio-Suit class so I can effectively start duping to my heart's content. Can't come soon enough.

Discord is also here: discord.gg/RshjxgTuM7

@Lyzander911

3 жыл бұрын

Link expired

@Mint_Condition

3 жыл бұрын

@@Lyzander911 Thank you. I made the mistake of making a temporary link. It should be fixed now.

@hola-ku1hd

3 жыл бұрын

I'm gonna join

yes yes yes. CHARACTER WORLD BLOWS. How do they NOT see that? Also, yes, using mana to increase skill level and skill tile access, just isn't fun. And sadly, don't you feel they'll keep both for 6???

@Mint_Condition

3 жыл бұрын

I'll have to wait and see. I haven't been catching up too much on Disgaea 6, but they haven't reinvented the wheel just yet so that's always a good sign. Character world has the potential to be good, and I like some of what you can get out of it but the process is just too boring and not gamified enough. Having everything at boring 10 floor intervals also shoots it in the foot. It's just item world only boring, repeatitive and missing a significant amount of features. Skill level isn't ideal, but it's not that bad. In the original D4 you could completely screw yourself out of being able to play a character in the lower levels due to how mp costs scale. You also couldn't delevel, and I do vaguely recall quitting when this happened to me. It wasn't something I noticed until I reincarnated, and all of my progress was on my mage. It's still pretty bad in the enhanced port because armor sucks until you get armor stat% statiscians (This was the last 5% of the game or less for me because of duping). Mastery fixes this entirely because you're constantly getting more out of your armor rather than a system that says you either do or don't have higher stats. TL;DR I'm not sure on character world, but if they kept skill mana systems it wouldn't be that bad due to the systems D5 had making it feel more fluid and acceptable and skill mastery reducing MP cost rather than increasing it.

One of the problems with Disgaea series are the enemies. They are not challenging because they are not smart. For instance, I fought recently Salvatore in Disgaea 3 and she had used her special skills only once, ONCE. Her level was way above my party, and she did not use her special attack on my party, which would be devastating to everyone. That is not hard to program! She could have won, but instead, she used normal attacks. I won by pure AI incompetence.

@Mint_Condition

2 жыл бұрын

Sadly this is true. AI in Disgaea isn't that smart, but it's probably for the best considering how stupid some of the stats can get. Ultra AI would just make killing them a nightmare. A balance would be nice.

@arkadiuszjandylewski152

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mint_Condition I still like Disgaea though. The game has such an incredible 2d charm, mixed with nostalgia and imagination, simple yet very interesting world, memorable characters, which you want to make stronger. Yes, I will admit it, I like Japanese RPG much more than western ones. Western RPG are so hard to get into, I recently studied the manual of one, because otherwise I would not understand it. Game developers need to make simple rules with great gameplay depth. Chess is a good example of such a game.

I actually liked the Story over most of the levels. I also loved the story in Disgaea 1 and 2. I chose to stop playing Disgaea 3 since my PSVita has problems... Then again I straight up used 150 nintendo points for you know what... Because I didnt wanna grind my ass off like on the PS3 version.

yeah, I'm gonna need that sauce for 13:12

@Mint_Condition

Жыл бұрын

Rule 34 (Paheal) both "Professor" and "Disgaea". You will find the sauce ez. Obviously I can't direct link that shit.

@justallwrong5401

Жыл бұрын

@@Mint_Condition Thanks. I wasn't expecting to get a reply, especially not from you, but I appreciate it none the less. Happy holidays!

I started replaying D4 after whenever it came out of PS3, on steam...And Geez is this game filled with content. But some of the restrictions and conditions are really back breaking... And I swear, I have seen the itemworld so much across all the Disgaea games, I am just sick of it and I haven't even reached D4 endgame grind yet. Still with all the flaws mentioned, even though I disagree a bit on the character (I actually in parts liked Fuka cause she IS this useless and stupid), Valzy is probably still ultimately one of my favorite characters alas I agree that its mostly the dilvery of his lines, they are great. I didn't mind the story so much either, but I am speaking from also knowing 6 and 7 now. Oh boy...Compared to the last two games, its pure gold. I am really sad with the direction they took on the last disgaea. A mix of the good features from 4 & 5 would probably be the perfect disgaea.

Partway through commentary from someone who has only played Disgaea 5: -Honestly I get why you don't like Fuka. Her whole smtick seems like a mixed bag. -Disgaea 3 good. Disgaea 3 story got me into game -not me in the disgaea 4 demo forcing meaver into a swimsuit and hoping for a bikini -"hated evilities" just say you was dumb -Disgaea 3 and 4 seem to be the points where they started going wild and making mosters good

@Mint_Condition

3 жыл бұрын

Disgaea 3's writing is pretty good. It got a lot of flak for it's gameplay (mostly). I feel some of it is warranted, but not to the extent that the fanbase has given it. Many faults it has are flaws that Disgaea 4 has as well and no one cares cares about that. Evilities in Disgaea 3 and 4 don't really get good until you start going into the character world, which is something I hated doing and is more of an end game thing. It also helps that I played the original PS3 versions of these games, where things worked a lot different. I did not use a guide for anything other than looking up how to get better grinding spots and how to unlock the advertised features, and without one it's even more confusing and difficult for someone to get a good evility set going. I probably should have said "I hated the evility system in d3 and d4 before replaying this game", but that isn't quite as easy to say, and I wasn't thinking too much about it. Evilities are a lot more straight forward and open in 5.

@Cinnayanny

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mint_Condition I see, ok!

Tis a shame they skipped over 3 but understandable if unpopularity=not getting back investment. But once I get 5 and 6 I’ll be peeved there’s a gaping hole in m’collection

@Mint_Condition

2 жыл бұрын

3 is an infamous entry and Disgaea D2 had major launch problems that made it unplayable unless you did random bs. Unfortunately these games will never be able to escape their legacy, even if it's overblown.

@kitestar

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mint_Condition noted, as I said it’s understandable if they don’t think it’ll make a return for them, not unless they make some sweeping changes to it as opposed to an HD port

@Mint_Condition

2 жыл бұрын

@@kitestar It is truly sad. I think Disgaea D2 would make a return for them if they port it, but the more likely candidate is 3 because the Vita is easier to port (same with PSP) which is why the other games got ported. The other ports are so straight forward that you can see the PSP logos and a bunch of other indicators that it was made for PSP in Disgaea 2's port.

So, Rune Factory review when? I feel like the weebiness and lack of shady things might deter sseth from reviewing it any time soon.

@Mint_Condition

3 жыл бұрын

Probably a while off. I have the switch version sitting around, but I have a bunch of stuff I need to review between then and now.

Yeah, honestly I have to agree with you on a lot of Disgaea 4's changes from earlier games. Weapon Mastery was so intuitive and good, why would they remove it for this? At least it comes back in 5 from what I heard. And yeah the story and most of characters really do suck. Valvatorez really is just diet Adell, and Fuka is easily the most annoying character in the three games I've played. And that's impressive because 2 has Tink, Taro, and Hanako. I gotta disagree with you on Fenrich being best boy. I can't stand Fenrich because his entire character can be boiled down to: Asshole to everyone, simp to Valvatorez. Emizel is fine. He doesn't stand out much but at least he has something of a character arc. Artina is just the most boring girl in the franchise. She just doesn't stand out in any way, and the fact that when she was human she was a saint and was reborn as an angel because of it makes her so boring. Desco is great though. I love her thing about being a final boss in training. Special mention to Chapter 6: The A-Virus Pandemic. Which I genuinely believe is the absolute worst main story chapter in any Disgaea game. You are fighting nothing but Axels in this chapter. If this was 2 it would be great because Axel is one of 2's best characters. But oh no, this isn't Disgaea 2 Axel. This is Disgaea 4 Axel. Who FUCKING SUCKS. He's so annoying, so dumb, so aggravating, and you gotta deal with your party members slowly turning into him over the course of the chapter. And this chapter has the audacity, the NERVE, to end it on an asspull that angel blood can cure any illness, which was never even HINTED AT in any other game or this one beforehand (maybe in 3 which I can't play but I highly doubt it), but Artina didn't do it earlier because of the bullshit "angels can't harm themselves by law" rule. Garbage writing for a garbe chapter. ALSO, are we going to ignore that twist near the end about fear energy? It's so mean-spirited because it's the game condemning humanity to be helplessly attacked and taken advantage of by demons or else the demons and angels we play as will literally die off. And it's especially baffling when demons constantly do terrible shit to each other all the time and can get away with it. But when humans do things even slightly bad like "having the ambition of taking over the world as a young child" (Hello Fuka), aka literal thought crimes, they become prinnies when they die and have to slave away with awful working conditions for who knows how long until they literally pay off their sins. And holy FUCK the Land of Carnage is a mindfuck to unlock. In 2 I already had most of the maps from naturally playing the game without even knowing the Land of Carnage even existed before looking it up. Here though? I had to look up so many guides to figure out what to do to unlock it. It also doesn't help that 4 has the weakest soundtrack of the games I've played. It has some really good ones like Crimson Cross and the final boss theme, but when compared to 1 and especially 2 (2 has the best soundtrack by a long shot) nothing really stands out. Something else personally I dislike is how Guns got nerfed into the ground in this game. In 2 Rozalin was one of my best units due to guns gaving good long range skills and only scaling off of the hit stat. In 4 though they're based on hit AND speed which just gimps them and makes minmaxing damage for guns so much harder because you now have two stats to balance out. Which is just one more thing going against Artina since she's proficient in Guns and bows. At least monsters are actually useful in this one. Between Magichanging being much better and monster fusion, monsters are much more useful in 4 compared to 1 and 2. And Desco is one of the best units in the game due to her great stats, aptidudes, evilities, huge AOE skills, having flight, and the benefits of being a monster. I still liked 4, but with all of its changes that I just didn't like and the weakest story and characters of the three I played, I just don't like it as much as 2. I still think it's better than 1 due to 1 being the most bare bones in the franchise in terms of gameplay since it's the first one, but lemme tell ya it ain't the story or music that has it above 1.

@popeprinny4705

3 жыл бұрын

Adell is diet valvatorez, both are bland but at least valvy has something more to him than repeating the same three phrases over and over in response to every situation. The land of carnage is easy to unlock in disgaea 2 but tedious as fuck to actually complete, getting all the pirates to spawn is fucking hell and I’ll take 4’s ambiguous but less atrocious approach any day of the week. Also don’t know how anyone could consider disgaea 2’s soundtrack to be better than 4’s; it has sinful rose and white tiger but everything else is very meh, while 4 has the ones you’ve already mentioned, wings that can’t fly, Arcadian vampire, the wandering, you go girl, and a bunch of other bangers.

@Mint_Condition

2 жыл бұрын

Somehow I haven't responded to this post yet. I'm pretty sure I've written responses to it, and they just haven't gone through or something. Either way that's a big whoops. Weapon Mastery is both in Disgaea D2 and 5, but in 5 it's not as powerful. It's used to supplement aptitudes, which are handled significantly better in 5, but not that great. This is more of a divisive topic though because some people prefer 4's character world. It's a board game in 5 and serves as a nice diversion from the gameplay loop when done in small amounts, but unlike other mandatory methods of training, it never gets any faster. It's really unfortunate because weapon mastery caps too fast if anything and aptitude is essentially the other half of equipment stats. It's really satisfying for early game though so I can't fault them too much there. I think they were trying to stop the player from becoming too strong too quickly, but I wish Weapon mastery could be "expanded" beyond 100 after you enter the post game. The brief nature of the grind makes certain things like the ability to increase weapon proficiency rank pointless since I can just spend 5-10 minutes to cap it out at 100. i think I wound up liking Fenrich because he often drives a lot of the humor that I enjoyed, and I tend to like smug characters. He came across as really smug in some of the scenes, and I appreciated that as I didn't like the story as a whole and was holding myself back from skipping the story out of obligation for the review, so it was a nice reprieve from some of the other characters. I absolutely agree about the story details. They feel made up on the spot for this one particular game. They do not appear in any other games, and that's really weird considering Disgaea shares a universe with the rest of the NIS games. It puts it in a weird spot because I know they're pulling it out of their ass. I agree on the soundtrack, but I did like a few tracks. Disgaea 4 definitely benefits from having other game's tracks, but I wouldn't say that means the soundtrack is good since they don't play through the campaign. In particular though I hate the X-Dimension map song. That shit gets so ingrained into your soul by the end of the slog, and I think it contributed to me getting sick. It's still stuck in my head even though I can't really call it music. I do not agree with guns being good in Disgaea 2 however, as the randomized elemental affinity makes it a nightmare for elemental skills to do damage, and at most guns have a 5 tile attack, which will only hit 4 enemies out of the 8 in the best grinding map. It makes it slower and more dangerous. It is much easier to make a really powerful sword and train your units to 20 sword mastery and equip that to train them. They're fine otherwise, but it was a real struggle to level my thief up until I came up with the idea. I do think that uniques are fine though as they can supplement this with their own skills. I just thing that it's not plausible to use guns without supplementing it with something else. A lot of the mechanics from 4 are pretty good, and I was a bit sad to find some of them aren't in 5 and D2, but I guess it does add a reason or two to replay the game somewhere down the line. There are some good mechanics, but also some poor implementation. I recommend checking out 5, but I understand it has a reputation for having the worst story so I won't fault you if that stops you. I mis-spoke in saying it's worse than Disgaea 4, but that's because it leaves a bad taste in the mouth with it's ending.

@armedweiss5531

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mint_Condition Funny that you recommended me to play 5, because I just finished its main campaign last night. The story is meh, with some really badly written moments. At its basis it's a revenge plot to stop a tyrant from taking over the universe. I don't have a problem with that, my main problem is most of the main cast's character development and the power-ups tied to it. Like, you need a pure heart to master the Ultimate Demon Technique, but Zeroken and Killia are able to somehow pull it off in mere minutes by just trying really hard when they both acknowledge that they're very flawed individuals? And how the ACTUAL FUCK did Usalia turn Majorita's curse into a power-up? This isn't some latent ability she always had but couldn't control, this is a curse put on her by an outside source. Or how Seraphina's development is about....overcoming a fear of becoming poor? That's so random for her characterization for most of the game since it's almost never brought up. At least Red Magnus and Christo's development is decent. They feel the most natural for their characterization and best written by virtue of everyone else's power-ups being so bad.

@Mint_Condition

2 жыл бұрын

​@@armedweiss5531 A reoccurring theme for Disgaea is the flaws of demons. You can see it in every Disgaea game bar maybe(?) 4. The whole time it was always about accepting their flaws and living with it. Being "whole". It's like Persona in that way. It didn't bother me, but I did feel that Seraphina's development was tacked on. It feels like they either moved it, or added it on to begin with since you would figured the MC would either develop first or last, but he develops second to last out of the group. Some unrelated gameplay advice, but if you're on PS4 or Switch look up a translation list for evilities. 20% of them are wrong. If you're on PC a majority of "ATK" evilities are unrelated to the attack stat, and instead an attack modifier used to boost the damage formula. (Unrelated to damage %) They're major damage boosters and missing out on them will make the game harder than it has to be. From there I advise making curry. It doesn't matter what, but add 100 thimbles in the "other" slot. It's a guaranteed 100% crit rate. The longer you let a curry sit without using it the more it "ages", meaning playing 100 maps without eating it will mean it lasts 100 maps when you do eat it. These are important for post game so don't sleep on it. Also the Professional innocent is mistranslated. It is Crit Damage %. If this is too much, it's just all stuff I wish someone had told me. Stuff I overlooked, didn't fully understand and mistranslations. There's a lot of depth to Disgaea 5 but a ton of it is slept on, which is why it gets memed on for having the least amount of end game content even though it has 4 tough as nails end game bosses, one of which most people won't ever see because you have to beat Carnage Baal. Best of luck.

@armedweiss5531

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mint_Condition I don't have a problem with that type of story. My problem is the actual mechanics of how they got the power-ups that go with their character development. Red Magnus and Christo make sense since their self-hate and doubts are limiting them from their full potential, but I already went over my problems with everyone else. Usalia's power up being the worst for making absolutely zero sense. I actually really like the Disgaea 5 cast a lot, definitely a much better package than 4's overall. It feels like everyone is important, instead of half the lineup adding nothing meaningful to the story and especially cutscenes. *cough* FUKA *cough* Due to the game's revenge mode, I think that 5 has the hardest main campaign of all the Disgaea games. Due to this, I often found that about half my sent characters got KOd as a result of most if not all the enemies going in Revenge Mode. But this doesn't feel unfair, because you have the edge of having Overload Skills while common enemies don't. And the boss fights are easily the highlight of the main campaign. Due to their stats and Overload skills, Bloodis/Goldion and Void Dark are in my opinion best boss fights in any Disgaea main campaign. It deadass took me an hour to finish the fight against Void due to me refusing to get overleveled, and it felt so good to finally take him down. Although I really have to ask who thought Majorita's Overload Skill was okay. That thing is so unfair, and makes her fights the worst in the game to me. And thanks for the advice, I'll keep that in mind.

You’re like the Simply Dad of Disgaea

@Mint_Condition

Жыл бұрын

I'm not too sure how to feel about that statement. He and I seem to disagree on just about everything regarding SMT and Persona.

@lilibryant2032

Жыл бұрын

@@Mint_Condition I meant more in terms of comedy style and delivery. Very similar senses of dry humor and sarcasm to me

Who's this guy, uh?

@Mint_Condition

3 жыл бұрын

deez nuts

@BasedPeter

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mint_Condition HA

i don't get it but this video had me smiling.

end game cannot be worse than disgaea 2. dark sun levels can only be beaten by sacrificing creatable units that are a high enough level. i believe there was a official statement at one point due to sony and microsft peaking at achievements / trophies of people connected to their networks (both admitted to doing it for lots of games in a similar time frame . d2 dark hero days a d2 complete+ basically specifically only psp at that point in time later i believe there was a pc port) and game time on games that nis said that nobody ever completed all dark sun levels. at a point you have no reason to. there is no extra ending for all of them being completed the cut off is way earlier . no extra character for 100% of the dark sun the cut off is way earlier like about half way and by that point get rid of 3 characters level 400+ just to clear this 1 stage and they are gone no heal at the hospital will bring them back. i want to say there was a dlc for the ps3 version that added dark sun levels as well

@Mint_Condition

Жыл бұрын

IMO Disgaea 4's end game is worse. You don't have to beat all Dark Sun levels and most of them are very easy. The average D4 equivalent is hell to complete and I became physically ill while trying to complete them. The levels feel like they were maliciously designed by hand to be difficult. Disgaea 2 has a mild difficulty modifier (lol) on it's levels for the dark sun levels. The level requirement means nothing because there are level requirements for every level in Disgaea 4. Are you complaining the game isn't letting you kill level 1s? Just beat the level faster if you have such an issue.

Is the writing really worse than disgaea 5? In that game everyone was so unlikable I couldn't stand to listen to them. And to think the first two games were so charming. (didn't play 3 and 4)

@Mint_Condition

3 жыл бұрын

It depends on taste. In Disgaea 4 everyone has a trait, a goal and a word or phrase they say. That's their character. Your mileage on how much you can enjoy these characters will vary. They aren't well written by any definition of the word, and I'm not alone in hating Fuka, but some people consider her their waifu. I would say that the other characters are tolerable but Fuka is too present in every scene for me to give it a pass. It doesn't hurt that none of the characters develop in the story, outside of one who's the designated development character, trying to get out of his father's shadow.

@popeprinny4705

3 жыл бұрын

That’s how every NIS character is written besides arguably the phantom brave cast tbh.

I've been playing Disgaea since it came out. I'd say in terms of story D1 is the best but worst in terms of game play. I'd still say that the best Disgaea is D5 despite having Disgaea 7. I liked D4, thought Valvataries rants about the corruptament were great. Got to post game but gave trying to get to land of carnage.

best game ever

@coonrat1

3 жыл бұрын

Just finished the video, uhh, kinda cringe bro

@Mint_Condition

3 жыл бұрын

@@coonrat1 What isn't cringe?

@coonrat1

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mint_Condition disgaea 4

@Mint_Condition

3 жыл бұрын

@@coonrat1 The story is the most cringe part of the game, and that lasts for a third of the game.

@coonrat1

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mint_Condition The problem is, that you're doing it wrong. You're supposed to have played it when you were 13, and let nostalgia cloud your judgement, thinking Disgaea 4 is better than 2.

7:21 "Whereas most methods of progression are so shrouded in mystery that I have to look up a guide for every single one." So... like every other Disgaea game and similar Nippon Ichi game that has ever existed then. Every one of those games has everything so vague and obtuse you have to look up a guide to have any reasonable idea what you're doing past the main story.

@Mint_Condition

9 ай бұрын

This is simply not true. You can get most forms of progression in other games by just playing however there will typically be a thing or two that eludes you. Usually there's atleast *a* line somewhere in the game that gives you a hint as well. Disgaea 4 has the entire post game as an elusive labyrinth where there's a clown that comes in and beats you with a sock full of rocks if you take too long.

@immortalfrieza

9 ай бұрын

@@Mint_Condition Uh... what? Every Disgaea game since the very first has the vast majority of it's systems incredibly obtuse if they have any explanations at all. Even like the Item World you're only going to have the vaguest idea what you're doing with it without a guide. You're definitely not going to be able to do anything optimally enough to actually get through the post game content without one. The games don't show you anything beyond the bare minimum necessary to take care of the main story without a guide in any Nippon Ichi game. Even if you've played previous games in the series there's always enough additions and alterations each entry to nearly every mechanic that you'll still have to grab a guide to see what the differences are and what effect they have. You're never going to be able to just jump in and do the exact same things you did in the previous entry.

@Mint_Condition

9 ай бұрын

@@immortalfrieza Bro I -just- beat Disgaea 1. Not a single post game mechanic needed explaining. All of it is explained in game or unlocked via natural progression. Disgaea 2 is where you might consider needing a guide, and even then the functions of things like maps are alluded to in game. The problem with Disgaea 4 is that I not only need to consult a guide to even know to DO an action, but that I need to consult a guide to know HOW to do that action. Think of how absurd that is for a moment. No other game in the series has this issue besides maybe D2 and 3, which I haven't played recently enough to know for sure.

Is it weird that Disgaea 3 is my favorite

@Mint_Condition

2 жыл бұрын

Nah, nothing wrong with that. Everyone has their own favorite. My favorite is 2 and a lot of people don't like that one either.

@wheelman1324

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mint_Condition The characters is Disgaea 3 are the funniest. To me at least.

Emizels is the only thing wrong in disgaea 4 its a great game

Doesn't this game have new game plus? LoL

@Mint_Condition

2 жыл бұрын

Every Disgaea game does.

Y

first lol

@Mint_Condition

3 жыл бұрын

Nice

@SinNombre-_-

3 жыл бұрын

Last!

@senorapples1115

3 жыл бұрын

@@SinNombre-_- no

@thischannelisinactiveimsor9500

3 жыл бұрын

Guys that ain't chadlike, obviously you gotta be Zeroith to win!

How do I tell someone that they're anti-based

@Mint_Condition

4 ай бұрын

Well, in the instance of this comment I'd start by saying that being round about or indirect is "cringe" and "not kino" and throw in at least three other buzz words so that the target (you) knows they are not "based and red pilled" like me, a true savior of culture.

This franchise is like a weeby theming medium it's the different themes teams and color schemes as well as tactics, tools, systems and currencies that make it such an intricate and personal experience.

Disgaea 4>disgaea 2>Disgaea 5>Disgaea 1>Disgaea D2>Disgaea 3 Good?

@Mint_Condition

2 жыл бұрын

I don't agree with putting D2 that low.

Best story in disgaea lol besides disgaea 1 and 2

To be honest disgaea 1 and 2 are still the best