Few things: first off, don't be spooked, this channel is never going to be solely or even primarily a news-oriented channel. My main content will always be scripted/edited projects. This also isn't meant to serve as "coverage" per se. I essentially read the interview, observed the discourse, and these are my takes on what I read and what I've observed. People ask about it on stream, so this was intended to be a slightly more polished but still off-the-cuff discussion on these points. Second, read the full interview here: www.gameinformer.com/exclusive-interview/2022/06/14/nomura-reveals-more-on-kingdom-hearts-iv-and-the-series-future-with Third, those friends of the channel who I really encourage you to check out, especially if you're impatient between my uploads lol. Plenty of old and new stuff from these folks: Aeba (Absolutely Everything About) kzread.info awesomeinmyworld kzread.info Bio-Roxas kzread.info damo279 kzread.info EverKey kzread.info/dron/K8T0j-TYMPUeuaS1Qf6quw.html Green Requiem (David Russell) kzread.info Kinode kzread.info Novayon kzread.info The Secret Reports kzread.info Sonny Novus kzread.info/dron/chz-v7Zv2OWQBIvGhLDAhg.html Super SpikeGhetti Bros. (The Ansem Report Podcast) kzread.info Ty Renée kzread.info/dron/2rJs9hkBkCRiC61S8bT6GA.html WaterKH kzread.info

@FormalGibble

2 жыл бұрын

Hey sorry that this comment isn't about the video but I got a reply from one of those ps5 giveaway bot scams on your last video. I reported it as spam but you should probably put up a community post to warn anyone else just in case to not click suspicious links. I'd say contact KZread about it but I got a feeling that they won't do shit since it's a problem on so many channels.

@RegularPat

2 жыл бұрын

@@FormalGibble Yes thanks for doing that; I was made aware of it fairly quickly and deleted all of these comments and reported the channel for impersonation. I think we're in the clear now but I'll be keeping an eye on that.

@FormalGibble

2 жыл бұрын

@@RegularPat cool, glad to hear that.

@DonkeyDoormatDrive

2 жыл бұрын

I strongly agree with you here. FF, secondary characters, Disney, Smash and all. Love the content, King.

@wikitiki209

Жыл бұрын

so what if they bring in halle bailey's little mermaid as an alternate atlantica?

I agree that I wouldn’t call myself invested in the FF characters in any way even coming close to resembling my love for the original cast, but to me FF is an integral part of the “Vibe” of KH. I think it’s on equal footing with Disney, or at least I wish that it was. I don’t put someone like Leon at the same level as Roxas of course, but I hold him equal to Herc, for instance. I would be sad to see it go away, not from a character perspective, but because it just feels like part of the DNA. I get considerably more hype for watching say Cloud pop in to say hello than Aladdin, but that’s just my taste I guess.

@BradsGonnaPlay

2 жыл бұрын

It makes me so sad that a lot of my favorite KH commentary channels seem to not think this way or even seem dismissive of FF characters now. I don’t get it. KH1 and 2 wouldn’t be the games they are without the FF characters and I’ll die on that hill

@RealCGH

2 жыл бұрын

@@BradsGonnaPlay I mean that's true but their story felt concluded after 2..like to see them again but I'm not surprised they aren't losing sleep over them not being that relevant, they are side characters at best and just Cameos alot of the time

@Dr.juiceboxtv

2 жыл бұрын

@@RealCGH I feel like not future proofing the FF stuff is one of the things I'm saddest about in KH. Like, having them implemented felt just as important to me as the Disney stuff. Especially when FF characters from two different entries are interacting. But it seems Nomura wants is okay with moving away from both sides of that cpin

@RealCGH

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dr.juiceboxtv I felt Disney implementation was way more important to nomura even in 1, Malificent was essentially the main villain for 80% of the game, and she teamed up with other Disney villains, Donald and Goofy having the most screentime in the series outside of sora and alot more, I felt like FF characters never got the same treatment at all compared to Disney characters despite it being considered a crossover back then

@Dr.juiceboxtv

2 жыл бұрын

@@RealCGH I got about 5 billion videos that I want to make about how I'd rewrite and rework the KH games. I love them a lot, though. It's just the gift of hindsight lol.

Man, I don't need the FF characters to be main characters, I just wanna see more of em. More like Twewy in 3D, or Zack in BBS. They were in the self contained stories of those worlds and they were just cool to see. If we can have Disney contained worlds that don't really matter to the story, I don't see why we can't have some FF stuff. Even things like Auron just being in Olympus was cool as fuck.

@joshuakurian7761

2 жыл бұрын

BRO THATS WHAT IM SAYING. all of the disney worlds in kh3 HAD NO PLOT RELEVANCE TO THE ACTUAL STORY of the game💀. Everything important story wise and for sora occurred in original worlds. Disney was such a waste of time in kh3. We went to those worlds just to rewatch the movies

@RealCGH

2 жыл бұрын

@@joshuakurian7761 I mean not all of em, Monster Inc, toy story, big hero 6, Olympus world's were all original stories

@andrellnogueira

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I don't expect them to actually participate in the story. I just want cameos, and cool fight. BBS not having a Genesis fight, for example, and KH3 not having the final rematch against Sephiroth, was a huge disappointment. Having subquests and the like would be ideal.

@cartooncritic7045

2 жыл бұрын

@@RealCGH Even the worlds without original stories tied in thematically to the story of KH3 and Sora’s character arc.

@fearnach

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, I believe that involving Final Fantasy characters in original/Disney worlds enhances the sense of interconnectedness between them that the series has always been going for. However, I'm not sure if there is a place for that in KH4, which appears to be set in Quadratum primarily.

Nomura said as early as the first KH Ultimania interview that he added FF characters because he couldn't think of any Disney characters that would fit certain roles and he didn't want to create new characters for those roles because he didn't think original supporting characters would be memorable in a game packed with beloved Disney characters. And then for KH2 he went and did it anyway with Hayner, Pence, and Olette, so I guess he got over that concern.

@addex1236

2 жыл бұрын

And Numaria is fucking lying the elevator pitch was always Disney meets Final Fantasy look it up hell Did you know Videogames even did a video on it back in the day. Like that's my big issue with the interview about Final Fantasy in Kingdom hearts

@srolaguer

2 жыл бұрын

@@addex1236 I'll stick with my primary sources, thanks.

@addex1236

2 жыл бұрын

@@srolaguer your primary source is full of shit and Numriea is full of shit and he knows it as early as the games earliest design documents was a final fantasy Disney cross over that's why only took two games to get add more original characters and two added even more Final Fantasy characters than one had. Not trying to be hostile nothing in that statement adds up at all or lines with any evidence. I see your Hiner Olett and Price and raise you One Sifer his side kicks who I don't remember their names Vivi who is from a good Final Fantasy game, Yuna Riku, Pain, Aroun, Selphi hell the 2nd game number game has more Final Fantasy then the first Hell He still uses Mougles and adding them in DlC in three so if the man thinks it doesn't need Final Fantasy why is he using one of the mascots and add still using them. So the lesson is that a primary source based on a lie is not a good source your welcome

@egateqa1351

Жыл бұрын

@@srolaguer The story about a Disney executive meeting a Square Soft representative is in fact a true story. If it’s a true story, then I don’t know what that is.

@srolaguer

Жыл бұрын

@@egateqa1351 The elevator conversation had nothing to do with Final Fantasy, which is the point of interest here.

I feel like theres no real reason we can't just sprinkle FF characters all over the place. These clearly aren't the canon versions of the FF cast for a few reasons, so why can't we just have Zidane be a keyblade wielder from the age of fairy tales instead of new character #25? Why can't Lightning and Noctis be Sora's new party members in Quadratum? Just throw FF characters into random places and see what sticks; Auron was probably the best FF character implementation and thats basically what they did with him. Maybe I'm being too reductive, but it's not like they have to jump through hoops to include these characters because they are owned by square, so there shouldn't be too much corporate red tape here. Maybe they legit just can't think of anything.

@kaos-qc5ho

2 жыл бұрын

nomura said he only put in ff characters until kh characters can stand on their own which they now can. The problem is that nomura now has like 6+ main characters that need to be properly developed as well along with characters we don't know yet and the main opposition. Plus we need to worry about storywriting here. I'm not gonna much into it cause i know nomura has his problems himself with storywriting but whenever we had ff characters in the games they had some sort of purpose. We really can't say that with the kh3 remind dlc where they had little purpose and served more as an apology than decent storywriting. I understand that ff characters are apart of the vibe of kingdom hearts but we can't just sprinkle them in cause at that point we're just playing kh for ff characters and you might as well just play ff in that case

@Kingdom850

2 жыл бұрын

You say they should just randomly throw around FF characters all over the place but then use Auron as an example of them doing so...when that wasn't the case at all. Auron's role lines up exactly with his FFX version, seemingly on purpose. That's not just randomly throwing him into a world, they paid attention to detail.

@wevegottrouble5891

2 жыл бұрын

@@kaos-qc5ho If that's what his plan is, I'm out. I don't care about Luxu or the satanist goats or the mobile game shit. Kingdom Hearts was created from the nice mix of FF and Disney. If I have to tolerate one more fucking Snowball building minigame instead of getting to defend city gates with Squall, then this game is no longer for me. I honestly don't get this argument. So the character who show up for 5 minutes and do something cool get pushed out of the game for Disney cartoon characters who do fuck-all in the story and live sheltered, selfish storylines while Sora tags along? Literally how does this help Sora establish himself as a character? If they wanted the KH cast to be in the spotlight now, they should've toned down on Disney instead of toning down on FF.

@kaos-qc5ho

2 жыл бұрын

@@wevegottrouble5891 Lets go through this point by point. 1. Kingdom hearts was not created from the nice mix of ff and Disney- it merely benefitted from it. KH is, was, and forever will be mostly Disney. We don't go to ff worlds or properties- like ever- ff is usually just bound to a couple or so original worlds and that's it. It's mostly Disney. I understand that ff greatly contributed to KH popularity but that was just for the jrpg fanbase. Disney contributed greatly as well for people who were casuals or just plain Disney fans getting them into gaming and don't underestimate Disney's popularity at the time. I know plenty of people including myself who got into KH cause of Disney and then got into ff later. ( I was like 5 when I played kh1 so go figure.) 2. Your complaint about the snowball mini-game is valid in its own right. I will be honest and say kh3 was not what we wanted to be but I also feel like if the alternative is doing something with ff characters rather then just doing it alone with just the kh cast then once again just play ff instead. I feel like people are focused way too much on ff when this series is called "kingdom hearts" and it is understandable due to the history of this series with ff but we need to remember the kh cast is the focus of this series. 3.FF is not being cooled down for disney it's being cooled down for KH. If the kh characters are to stand out more we need to cool down on ff and not disney due simply to the way the game is structured. If we cool down on disney the game will either be shorter due to less worlds or completely different from past entries and fans wont appreciate that and SE won't like that. Also keep in my mind the disney tyrants from above own the rights to this series so yea...Additionally, as you said the ff characters do things Disney characters can't and so serve as the perfectly for the KH cast to be the alternative to just putting in FF characters. Put simply, toning down on Disney just means less properties for Sora to shine. Toning down on FF means more opportunities for KH to hog the spotlight... of their own series which helps build their characters. 4. Also yea they are toning down on disney. Nomura himself said there will be less disney world in kh4 and there will be more of focus on quadratum as it is a hub world we'll visit many times throughout the story of kh4 apparently which potentially could serve as an opportunity for ff to shine although i doubt it since ff characters are pretty much restricted to hollow bastion ( and traverse town but thats been gone for awhile and maybe Olympus since im pretty sure its coming back with that teaser at the end of the kh4 announcement trailer).It'll prob be focused more on kh but perhaps new ff characters could be there or returning ones like cloud and tifa. Due to ff7 rising popularity again and the way they ended in kh2 I'd say there's a decent chance of seeing them again so there's that. Although i do understand your feelings. I was disappointed with the lack of ff in kh3 and the way they got integrated the dlc but I also am understanding of Nomura's viewpoint and logic. In the end it all comes down to the way that Nomura does the story. Keep in mind this man is not always the best at knowing what the fanbase wants which is on him. If you read the interview this man literally thought that the fans hated reaction commands (really?) which is why they werent in kh3 but are now being considered to come back in kh4 along with ff characters but if they don't its just something that needs to be done for the sake of the story and so i understand that if you're not into that then this game series aint for you anymore but also keep in mind the reasons Nomura is doing this.

@OhKayEl

Жыл бұрын

You've got a point there, I feel like a lot of the original KH characters could have their roles fulfilled by some of the FF characters just fine.

Here’s a thing about the final fantasy stuff nobody talks about. When I first played kingdom hearts 1, I had never heard of final fantasy. I didn’t know who Leon, yuffie, or Cloud where. To me as a fan, they were just kingdom hearts characters. They were such a big part of kh1 and 2. So to have them just not in three was a big disappointment to me. Regardless of the Final Fantasy aspect of it all.

@Redxan600

2 жыл бұрын

How funny, cause I felt the opposite. I thought they were just original KH characters and they were nothing more than just side characters. I wonder, would you be disappointed if Hayner, Pence, and Olette disappeared from the series?

@BradsGonnaPlay

2 жыл бұрын

@@Redxan600 yes I would. Because they were characters I grew attached to. Now granted they were used for story beats only, the FF crew was important to Sora learning the truth about Ansem/Xehanort, Hollow Bastion being Radiant Garden (which tied into KH original lore using the FF crew as its narrative diving board), set us up with SDG, explained the heartless to Sora, befriended and supported the main cast (and please don’t blame bad ps2 AI for them not being super useful as support members, the exact same thing applies to Goofy and Donald and their wasteful AI, they just have more supportive move sets) EDIT: oh and I also just realized, this doesn’t support Pats critique that he’d “rather see original KH characters more fleshed out.” A lot of the KH OCs aren’t actually story relevant usually. Roxas’ Twilight gang were basically just puppets, even outside the simulation. They couldn’t develop them without pulling something completely off-base out of their ass.

@Redxan600

2 жыл бұрын

@@BradsGonnaPlay Kinda funny how you replied to me when I was talking to the OP. "FF crew was important to Sora learning the truth about Ansem/Xehanort, Hollow Bastion being Radiant Garden (which tied into KH original lore using the FF crew as its narrative diving board), set us up with SDG, explained the heartless to Sora, befriended and supported the main cast" Except the FF crew DIDN'T tell us the truth about Ansem and Xehanort, it was Mickey. And we visit a Disney world, I repeat, a *DISNEY* world, to find out about the lore about Hollow Bastion that was once Radiant Garden. And it wasn't them who set up Sora, Donald, and Goofy to meet up. They just met up by sheer coincidence. "this doesn’t support Pats critique that he’d “rather see original KH characters more fleshed out.” A lot of the KH OCs aren’t actually story relevant usually. Roxas’ Twilight gang were basically just puppets, even outside the simulation." And even then, they still have more relevancy than FF characters. Or maybe just the same. If Hayner, Pence, and Olette still reside as side characters, then that's fine. But it also supports my argument that FF crew can be replaced with original characters and it'll still be the same.

@BradsGonnaPlay

2 жыл бұрын

@@Redxan600 is this how you get off or something? You have the minority opinion and you are being incredibly dense and rude to people who just want the continuity of the original games to be maintained. Many people liked these characters and want to see them continue to be in the games. Just because you don’t feel that way doesn’t mean anything. I’m glad you’re “fine with Haynes Pence and Olette,” as if that alone doesn’t make you sound like a massive hypocrite with how much your complaining about the final fantasy characters not being plot relevant.

@Redxan600

2 жыл бұрын

@@BradsGonnaPlay "You have the minority opinion and you are being incredibly dense and rude to people who just want the continuity of the original games to be maintained." You don't get to say that when you did call me a troll. And the same can be said for you since you wanna be dense to the facts that Nomura has already put out. "Just because you don’t feel that way doesn’t mean anything." The same can be said to your opinions as well, buddy boy. "I’m glad you’re “fine with Haynes Pence and Olette,” as if that alone doesn’t make you sound like a massive hypocrite with how much your complaining about the final fantasy characters not being plot relevant." It's not hypocrisy, it's just facts. Let's pretend that Hayner, Pence, and Olette are FF characters. They really don't do much throughout the stories. It can be said the same for FF. You can replace the FF crew with OC, and nothing of importance would be lost.

Nightmare Before Christmas was only in KH1 because Japan is CRAZY about that movie. They love it. Ironically, it was probably that game bringing Nightmare back into the public consciousness that gave it such a resurgence in the states. Same thing happened with Tron in KH2. I guarantee you Legacy would not have happened if people weren't reminded that movie existed.

@dorianzane2548

2 жыл бұрын

No Nightmare really was hugely popular before that. The Haunted Mansion Holiday overlay at Disneyland has been an annual tradition since 2001 and that idea was only considered and greenlit because of the popularity of the film

@handsoaphandsoap

2 жыл бұрын

Tron Legacy was already being produced before KH2 came out. Nomura was invited to the Disney studios where he saw Legacy being filmed which he was really intrigued by, hence why he ended up adding Space Paranoids to KH2. So no, KH is not responsible for Legacy being produced, though I’d believe it if soneone were to tell me that that whole story is bs and Disney execs like slipped a twenty under the table to Nomura so he’d add Tron into KH2 in order to prime some viewers for the upcoming Legacy.

@garrettcarter5622

2 жыл бұрын

@@handsoaphandsoap Dude, a quick bit of research shows Legacy didn't begin materializing until 2005, and only earnestly in 2007. There is no way Nomura had enough time to implement Tron as a crucial part of his game's story in only a few months. And how dare you imply it was just a cheap tie-in for a movie that wouldn't come out for 5 years. He put Space Paranoids in the game because he WANTED TO, simple as that.

@IDontWantThisStupidHandle

2 жыл бұрын

I see you have clearly never set foot in a Spencer's nor Hot Topic if you think Nightmare was ever truly out of the public's consciousness between its release and KH1's release...

@handsoaphandsoap

2 жыл бұрын

@@garrettcarter5622 I'm basing this on an anecdote from Nomura himself, though after a quick look up I was actually wrong. It was a production of a Tron video game that he saw at that visit which inspired him, not Tron Legacy. Unsure why you felt the need to be so hostile about it though, it's not that serious toots.

I would love FF cameos BUT the series desperately needs to start fleshing out these OCs, because most of them barely have any deeper characterization. It’s kinda sad… like most of the cast are very surface level, wtf is that about? Flesh them out when they show up

@BradsGonnaPlay

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t understand why fleshing out the OCs means you can’t have Leon’s crew from KH1&2 and a few new FF sidekicks though. They’ve already been established and Auron’s character execution was done really well without bogging down the main story, so I don’t see why they couldn’t do it again with a newcomer like Cecil or hell, even Cloud (seeing as he was a summon card in CoM) if they didn’t want to worry about introducing more. Idk it’s just weird, I guess I feel like the ones they already introduced could have been kept in the numbered entries to the series at no detriment to the story-telling and character building.

@joeyjose727

2 жыл бұрын

@@BradsGonnaPlay oh I absolutely want FF appearances too, I haven’t even played most of the games but FF characters feel like a part of the series to me They don’t have to be super fleshed out, honestly they’re probably better off going the Auron cameo route for anyone that isn’t in the Hollow Bastion Restoration Committee I guess what I mean is that this cast is so huge, but there’s barely any chances for the OCs to develop because we’re constantly interacting with OTHER casts of movies, so there’s no room for good character development usually. So I get why they wanna focus more on the OC cast, but maybe the solution is better writing and scenarios instead of paint by numbers retellings of Disney movies

@Eric-jy4qm

2 жыл бұрын

@@joeyjose727 yessss omg 👏👏👏 hearing "sorry we just don't have enough time to fit FF characters into the games" while also dedicating hours and hours of gameplay just to play through recycled disney movie plots makes me want to cry. I would much rather if they trimmed down the screentime given to disney characters we're ultimately never going to see again and instead actually spent some time developing the OCs and FF characters we already have. Like, why does Kairi still barely have any personality, motivations, character flaws, or agency at all? It would be amazing if they let the KH OCs (not just Sora) and FF characters interact with each other more. That would please the fans and help make the characters less one-dimensional at the same time.

@BradsGonnaPlay

2 жыл бұрын

@@Eric-jy4qm oooooh you just answered something I wasn’t even thinking about- aside from Hercules, how many recurring Disney heroes have we met multiple times across multiple games besides KH1 and 2? The FF characters have continuity and… well, character, but they’ve been railroaded by a one-note Disney cast that’s just propagandizing their films.

@asuraofwrath

Жыл бұрын

@@Eric-jy4qm ff characters can also help the main cast evolve more as characters more then disney can as well like for example someone like cecil could have been the one to teach riku how to be both in the light but still use his darkness and control it instead of him gaining that from almost nowhere having been a dark knight before becoming a paladin

with Final Fantasy, I've always thought they were great at filling up a B or even C plot within a Disney world. Olympus had Zack in BBS, Auron in 2, even just their presence adds life to the world that a random NPC (in KH3) could never really add. I agree that we don't need an entire arc surrounding the FF characters, but hypothetically wouldn't everyone enjoy Riku getting to know Cecil, and learning about Cecil's journey, connecting with each other? FF chars in KH has always had their own story that's not related to the games they come from (poor Gullwings, haha) but Quadratum presents an opportunity for FF chars FROM their own game to interact with KH chars and I think it'd be a huge missed opportunity if they don't go for it. Of course I am aware that KH's primary focus is going to be Disney, but when we first heard about the Quadratum concept my mind was absolutely racing with the expectation, or hope, that KH4 would have FF worlds.

@Kligor2

2 жыл бұрын

Yoooo Riku and Cecil or even Kain would be a fantastic time. If I could personally design a sequence in KH I would have Riku and Kain together talking about overcoming guilt and betrayal and how they grew because of it and encouraging each other.

I said it over on Twitter earlier but I’ll say it again here. I don’t care if we don’t get new FF characters moving forward. I do care that the Restoration committee and Destiny island trio (and the Disciplinary committee to a lesser degree) seems to be shoved to the sideline for Ansems apprentices and Hayner, Pence, and Olette. It’s just strange that a game centering around friendship just neglects these characters who have been here since the beginning, especially when we visit the worlds they live in during the game (granted via cutscene). The FF characters in Traverse Town and Radient Garden were Soras guides during the start of KH1 and his trusted allies in KH2. Destiny Islands FF characters are literally your childhood friends. Both have just kind of been forgotten and that’s sad, especially since these versions on the characters are basically closer to KH original characters than their FF counterparts.

@Cats_N_Doodles2018

2 жыл бұрын

What was the Disciplinary Committee again in KH? I agree about all of this though, like all my friends keep acting like they didn’t really care for the FF cast yet I do, and it felt weird to me when I read in the interview that it wasn’t meant to be a Disney and FF/Square crossover, since wasn’t that one of the big selling points of the game back then? I mean I get the idea of the Restoration Committee having less plot relevance and therefore less screen time or a similar thing with Hundred Acre Wood in KH3 where Sora is beginning to move on as he grows older and might not need the group anymore, but it does feel kinda sad to me, y’know?

@johnsargent7706

2 жыл бұрын

@@Cats_N_Doodles2018 Disciplinary Committee was Seifers gang in TT

I think with the FF characters, quadratum is a perfect oppurtinity for cloud vs sephi to come back, they went to "another world" at the end of kh2, they could have went to quadratum, and finish their fight with an epic fight with sephi at the end of kh4, teaming up with cloud, I think that'd be super cool. Or maybe they'll tie in smash and make mention of them going to there idfk with nomura.

@ziontea7045

2 жыл бұрын

After playing remake it's been a fan theory of mine that they teleported to FF7R LMAO. But they've been holding that story between those two for a long while so idk.

@DissedRedEngie

2 жыл бұрын

That would imply that they broke the rules of nature, let themselves die and do all that final world stuff. Just to fight in a different neighborhood.

@Kingdom850

2 жыл бұрын

You're getting a whole remake trilogy lol. Cloud doesnt need a desperate return to KH. That "another world" shit was literally just advertising for Advent Children, which came out around the time KH2 did and explains why the FF7 cast were randomly in their AC designs.

@Awllecks

2 жыл бұрын

@@DissedRedEngie who knows with nomura, but really, didn’t they already kind of break the laws of nature in the KH universe? Who knows? Maybe they both ended up killing each other to get to quadratum with some unfinished business Sora ends up walking in on.

@Awllecks

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kingdom850 yeah most likely but I’d still love to see them again lmao

No, you're absolutely right. I think anyone who walks away from the interview believing that Mario or Link or whomever is GENUINELY going to appear in KH 4 is being absurd. The more likely takeaway is that people just want to capitalize on the short term hype that the "What if...?" crowd will draw thinking about Nintendo properties being in KH. Which, admittedly, would be pretty cool, I'd love to see Goofy being interrogated by Solid Snake for intel. I think when he mentioned the graphics thing, he was referencing the interviewers question. They wanted to know how much representation Disney will have, and this is him getting in front of it early being like "Yeah, we're gonna have fewer, higher quality worlds since we can do so much more now." So probably 4-5 larger worlds that are more similar to sprawling maps from KH3

@OtisCluck

2 жыл бұрын

The closest thing I can imagine is Sora referencing smash as a strange dream he had

@kit76149

2 жыл бұрын

@@OtisCluck Exactly. An easter egg reference but nothing more

@X2011racer

2 жыл бұрын

@@OtisCluck Or Geno as a Superboss. Remember that Nintendo doesn't own Geno, so he can still appear outside Nintendo hardware/software if Square feels like it.

Re: Hunchback being a "bottom tier Disney Renaissance film" , I remember when every Disney Renaissance film came out (besides The Little Mermaid as I was too young to remember the actual release, but I distinctly remember how Ariel took the world by storm). Hunchback was vastly more popular, both critically and financially (earing nearly $100 Million more than Hercules, and was nominated for many more awards than Herc). As a child who saw both films in theatres first hand, those sentiments were echoed by the general public. Hunchback was seen as better than Herc, and many people at the time thought Hercules was a notable step down/sign of the Renaissance era ending.

@tigerfestivals5137

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah idk where he's getting his bend on Hunchback from

@bread_dawg

2 жыл бұрын

Probs just opinion. I'd personally put Hunchback in the bottom tier of Disney Renaissance films too. Besides, he said it's in the bottom tier of what people would expect to see in KH. Hunchback might have been considered good and successful at the time, but it's less present in today's consciousness than a lot of other Disney Renaissance movies.

Final Fantasy characters do need to be in Kingdom Hearts to some extent Imo there's no reason to have the first game have FF characters be a guide to the series and then phase them out but only use the bare minimum (Moogles) Like, even if they aren't deep into the narrative, it seems very dumb to have the series have the identity of FF through it's magic names, design choices, storytelling, and inspirations, but take out the main thing that people primarily identify the series with.

@ShockwaveFPSStudios

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, it feels wrong.

@Redxan600

2 жыл бұрын

But keep this in mind. KH was introduced as KH x Square. It still has the Square stuff throughout the games. What you just listed is Square stuff. Honestly, KH is doing fine without them. Days and DDD are prime examples that they don't have FF, but they still did well. KH3 sold over seven million copies despite no FF characters other than mentions.

@BradsGonnaPlay

2 жыл бұрын

@@Redxan600 I’ve seen a lot of your comments and I can’t figure out your end-game with these arguments. “It’s okay to phase out characters with no narrative reasoning because of a clerical error in the marketing 20+ years ago” I hate to say it, but Square doesn’t have any real representation outside of FF in the series. There was never any Chronotrigger or Super Mario RPG- there was only ever FF. Saying they still have elements of Square (all of which are directly from FF and not their other series’) is disingenuous at best and poorly trolling at worst.

@Redxan600

2 жыл бұрын

@@BradsGonnaPlay And I've seen your comments saying that it's wrong that KH gets rid of FF and pushing the agenda that they are important. If you wanna know my opinions about FF in KH, I say Nomura should just get rid of them so that original characters can be fleshed out. It's okay that you want them in, but you need to stop pretending that they're important. Nomura has already stated in the KH1 Ultimania that they were used as a crutch for sales. And he had to repeat himself again because they're ignoring and cherry picking his words. "I hate to say it, but Square doesn’t have any real representation outside of FF in the series. There was never any Chronotrigger or Super Mario RPG- there was only ever FF." This just tells me that you only play one Square game, and it's FF. Dragon Quest is very popular in Japan, you know. And you also have Nier. "Saying they still have elements of Square (all of which are directly from FF and not their other series’) is disingenuous at best and poorly trolling at worst." Am I trolling? Or are you just saying that because you don't have an argument? And the elements of Square games doesn't just come from FF. It comes from other games, too, you know.

@BradsGonnaPlay

2 жыл бұрын

@@Redxan600 you’re a very sad person consistently misrepresenting what people are saying. I have played far more than FF, in fact it’s my least played square series. Never dragon quest though, I will admit. But just because you feel vindicated that your position is the one Nomura sides with doesn’t mean the reasoning isnt bullshit and a large-scale retcon. They were important to 1&2 moreso than any Disney character. Don’t know why that isn’t obvious to you but I don’t care to waste anymore time with your dishonesty.

My take on the "graphics limit what worlds we can create" thing is simply, with the advance of graphics...stuff like polygon count and all that simply get bigger, which uses up more resources. Like how Ratchet and Clank has these huge beautifully rendered worlds, but at the cost of the amount of planets being reduced. So like KH3, regardless of what the worlds look like, the graphic quality and size of the worlds will be in a way that the amount of worlds will be not on the level of KH2

@indedgames4359

2 жыл бұрын

Kh 2 ihas tecnicly the same amount of Disney worlds as 3 mayby 1 more but yeah. Ther tecnicly can reuse parts of jh 3 though so twilight townncan be added on radient garden can return etc kh 3 is the growndwork

@lukasruston8618

2 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure that KH3 was planned to have double the worlds of KH2 but due to the whole "We had to switch engines which caused us to start over from scratch" thing put a stop to that... idk where I read that but I remember seeing it somewhere.

Having such a level headed person become one of the bigger names in the community has been a relief to say the least. great vid

I think, personally, that the final fantasy involvement was really big to me as a kid, but now I just call them the "radiant garden" crew. Thus, to me, they are one-world peeps. Like, do I really expect a big involvement of characters from The Lion King? No, they belong in the pride lands. Maybe, if they do anything, stay out of radiant garden, and do something like they did with Auron in the underworld, or Neku in Traverse Town. Introduce one or two cool square peeps in a place we don't expect them, and leave it at that.

@chrisscott3071

Жыл бұрын

The issue is altering their histories. All the ff characters should have just been the characters we know but who had lost their worlds instead of giving them the radiant garden back story.

To your speculation about Disney being more difficult to work with than some of the other companies Sakurai approached for Smash: Namco Bandai helped make the game, Phil Spencer of Rare has gone on record saying that getting Banjo and Kazooie in was an easy deal, SNK gave Sakurai a crap ton of characters (in the background) and songs to use in the stage with Terry, and some characters were already Nintendo exclusive even if their parent company isn't (E.G. the Xenoblade characters). So yeah, even though it appears Disney is more cooperative than we the fans initially thought, there are definitely some companies that are easier to work with for getting characters into Smash.

@nerdychocobo

2 жыл бұрын

also just bc they agreed to include sora I don't doubt they weren't clashing heads about including mickey heads

@MikeThePsykat

2 жыл бұрын

"and some characters were already Nintendo exclusive even if their parent company isn't (E.G. the Xenoblade characters)." Um, just a small correction, the "parent company" for the Xenoblade games, Monolith Soft, is 100% Nintendo owned. They bought the company just a little before the original Wii launched, and they've helped out with a number of Nintendo games since. The Team that developed Xenoblade 2 for instance also worked extensively on Breath of the Wild to the point where it caused development trouble for Xenoblade 2. Now Monolith Soft (is that supposed to be one word?, eh, too lazy to check) has a fully dedicated "Zelda only" team to make sure that such things don't happen again. They also have numerous art studios that have lent their talents to various other Nintendo project. My point is, while you are mostly correct in saying that some characters where Nintendo exclusive even if their parent company isn't, the Xenoblade characters, at least right now, aren't the best examples of this. Not trying to be "aggressive" or whatever, just trying to clarify because I get the feeling that people don't realize just how much Xenoblade IS a Nintendo franchise.

@edmg7

2 жыл бұрын

@@MikeThePsykat I don't mind the correction, it's good info. I already knew Monolithsoft helped make Breath if the Wild, and IIRC they've helped a bit with some Pokémon games. I just didn't realize Nintendo owned them.

@MikeThePsykat

2 жыл бұрын

@@edmg7 I feel most people don't know about that, hence the correction. I also think most people assume that Nintendo owns Game Freak, but they don't. Pokémon is kinda in a strange place legally at the moment that I doubt any of us fully understand, and, from my understanding, Kingdom Hearts is kinda the same there. I remember back when Xenoblade was still new, and people weren't treating it like a new Nintendo IP and, as a fan who follows such things, it sorta got under my skin a little, which I think came out in my comment. Thanks for the understanding.

The idea of having a room to decorate sounds really fun. With Disney being such a merch machine, getting collectables for your hub is pretty perfect

Man, imagine if KH4 truly takes the segmented storyline approach, with three to four parties doing different stuff, all converging at a grand finale.

@tenworms

2 жыл бұрын

After I played Dream Drop I was so certain that's what KH3 was going to be. Would love it to come true at some point.

No you're right. Disney is still hard to work with. Yoshi P (director of ff14, producer of ff16, who also sits on squares board of directors) actually thought about having a KH event for FF14 but he never pursued it because he knows Disney is tough to work with. and if I recall back with dissidia, square wanted KH characters in dissidia. (Edit I was wrong about the dissidia part)

@AudoPlay

2 жыл бұрын

With Dissidia, the original concept was that it would be for a KH title, but they *believed* Disney would be unlikely to approve the characters fighting each other, so they changed it to FF without even bringing it up to Disney.

@Redxan600

2 жыл бұрын

I believe it was actually Nomura who was against the idea of having Disney characters fighting each other. He even said so in the Days Ultimania.

@gameinspection4999

2 жыл бұрын

@@Redxan600 yeah I just looked into it. You're right my b

How I imagine the world structure is gonna pan out based on other things Nomura has said, we’ll probably come across “works of fiction” in Quadratum and use them as a portal into Disney worlds. I don’t know how exactly but that’s the impression I get.

I’m kinda hoping there is a very small reference to the fact that Sora is in Smash, like as you are able to decorate your room, or whatever the “day-to-day” aspects of the game are, with a poster of Sora shaking hands with Mario or something stupid. It’s not something I’ll be disappointed if it doesn’t become real, but it would be very funny

@mellemadswoestenburg1296

2 жыл бұрын

I read somewhere that it would be funny if Sora wakes up from that 7 day long sleep and tells Strelitzia that he had a weird dream about him in a coliseum like in Olympus but he had to fight all these weird cool people and creatures. Basically making the smash thing just a big fever dream that Sora had.

@lukasruston8618

2 жыл бұрын

@@mellemadswoestenburg1296 I don't think smash is canon to KH buuuuut I saw someone say that if it WAS canon, it would most likely just be a dream that Sora had between the end of CoM and the beginning of KH2 (considering the fact that the only appearance Sora can have is his KH1 appearance)

@mellemadswoestenburg1296

2 жыл бұрын

@@lukasruston8618 Wow Namine is very nice giving Sora dreams like that.

@dragonbornexpress5650

7 ай бұрын

@@lukasruston8618 Then how do you explain the costumes from later games?

@lukasruston8618

7 ай бұрын

@@dragonbornexpress5650 Non-canon since he only has his KH1 costume in the only cutscene he's in (the trailer)

6:37 Bl00dybizkitz and his stream chat came up with a theory on why Hunchback of Notre Dame was in KH3D that made a lot of sense. It's because it fit in with the game's theme of "carnival", with The Festival of Fools or whatever it was called.

@lazyvoid7107

Жыл бұрын

Isn't Bl00dybizkitz like controversial

@Redxan600

Жыл бұрын

@LazyGhostFish Ugh! He still is. I remember when he gaslighted everyone on Twitter by saying KH3 fans were "gaslighting" others for feeling disappointed with KH3 when it was exactly the opposite.

I agree with pretty much everything you said about the Disney worlds, but damn if it's less than 7 worlds and they're majority live action I'm gonna be a llittle sad :(

@nickp3949

2 жыл бұрын

I have a feeling it’s gonna be like 5 Disney worlds, but they’re all gonna be like Pirates world size.

@mellemadswoestenburg1296

2 жыл бұрын

@@nickp3949 imagine if they did Pirates 4. That would be kinda funny. Sora fighting Mermaids despite being friends with one. "THIS IS NOT WHAT MERMAIDS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE!! 😱😱😱"

@CinnamonGrrlErin1

2 жыл бұрын

The only live action world I want is 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. It would be a great ocean world to take over from Little Mermaid and Pirates, and a giant squid Heartless boss battle would be really cool.

@samuelwolch1302

2 жыл бұрын

@@mellemadswoestenburg1296 same!

Let's just be real here, KH4 is gonna be Nomura's second attempt at making VsXIII happen. Everything else will be an afterthought

@cartooncritic7045

2 жыл бұрын

And I’m here for it. Self-indulgent as it may be, that man deserves to take back what Square stole from him.

Nomura was just over thinking the Smash/Kingdom Hearts story stuff if that’s an accurate translation. Smash is usually non canon to every game represented in the series so he really didn’t even need to think about how it fits.

I just don’t understand why Nomura thinks they are unnecessary when they have been there from the beginning. It was Leon and the gang who explained about other worlds, the Heartless, the Keyblade, to Sora and by extension the player. The FF characters introduce us to how this universe works. If Sora and the original cast are the A Team then Leon and the gang are the B Team. Let’s be real if the main cast got wiped out, Leon and the others would be the next line of defense given how knowledgeable they are of things. It was so weird in KH3 Sora never questioning Ienzo about Leon and the others. It was so weird that Leon had no issues with Ansem’s apprentices just coming in and taking over the show when they were the ones who wrecked Radiant Garden in the first place. In KH2 everything was setting up Leon being kind of the new leader of that world. Every time I play KH3 I feel a sense of lacking because I can’t reunite with Leon and the others as Sora. I mean Xehanort ruined their world so they have as much invested in taking him down as anyone. Imagine Leon and Yuffie showing up with Yen Sid in the Keyblade Graveyard, that would have been sick! And here Nomura is with the perfect chance to bring Cloud and Sephiroth (and by extension Zack and Tifa) back into Quadratum. Explaining they vanished from the KH reality in KH2 and ended up in Quadratum, thus explaining there absence in KH3 and finally resolving this subplot. But Nomura seems to be wasting that golden opportunity. I just don’t get Nomura on this.

@Kisaru1000

2 жыл бұрын

In the very first pitch for Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy characters were not in it. At all. It wasn't until they were part way through developing KH1 that they decided to add them, in a move that by their own admission, was pure marketing. They weren't apparent of the grand scheme of the game, they just existed to help sell copies. And considering Nomura's previous comments about their recent absence (in particular, one where he describes KH as "being able to stand on it's own"), it seems pretty clear that Nomura either was a part of, or has never left, that mindset of their original inclusion. IE: they're just marketing, nothing more.

@OrchinX

7 ай бұрын

@@Kisaru1000you see a new food item advertised as “now including salt!” And you go eat the food and it is delicious Then years later the chef removes the salt, saying it was only a marketing gimmick, but now the food tastes worse without the salt. I don’t care what Nomura thinks or wants, he made a good dish, now he makes mid corporate casual stuff. I want the salt back in the dish. I want some good food

@Redxan600

7 ай бұрын

@@OrchinX If you like that particular ingredient that makes the food great, then you really just didn't like the food to begin with. It can still be delicious without that singular ingredient. What Nomura stated is true. He said this back in the KH1 ultimania and he had to say it again because no one listens.

To me, the sentence Nomura said about Smash is the opposite. He was affraid Sora's inclusion in Smash would be jarring because it doesn't quite fit with the canon. How people come to the conclusion that Sora being in KH means Smash is canon to KH is baffling.

@joshuakurian7761

2 жыл бұрын

Bro thats exactly wtf i thought. How tf did they make sora in smash canon. Like kh3 onward has been such stupid writing i. Regards to soras character and the inclusion of only disney rather than original worlds and ff stuff with disney. Its sad fr

@handsoaphandsoap

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t think anyone actually believes that, always seemed more as just a meme take to me. No one looks at, idk, Pacman and considers his inclusion in Smash as a part of his lore, if Pacman even has lore.

@disgaealikerasapOG

2 жыл бұрын

So ask yourself what has changed then? Right after KH3 introduced video game worlds into canon it happened. Also correct me if I'm wrong but Nomura doesn't introduce a disney world unless he negotiates the KH crew visiting in a canon capacity, correct? The issue with toy story was the writers said toy story was a complete story so there was no way for Sora & the gang to canonically visit, which led to negotiations and the strange outcome of toybox in KH3. Now I haven't heard anyone saying it would be mentioned in KH4, rather just Nomura found a way for it to be canon which satisfied his criteria for finally letting Sora join smash. Kirby not being able to use a keyblade or mario either for that matter is an important distinction from every other fighter. No other fighter has such a respect for their universe's canon when it comes to their smash inclusion.

@kit76149

2 жыл бұрын

They don't have any reading comprehension that's why

People showed up to Kingdom Hearts for a Disney and Final Fantasy crossover game. And when the Casual audience that isn't as invested in the overarching story loses part of what drew them into these games it really shouldn't be too surprising why a certain amount of people were disappointed about the lack of Final Fantasy when half of what they showed up for is gone from the game.

The only thing I dont agree with you on is the Final Fantasy characters. On one hand I don't think we have to carve out time for every single FF character who ever appeared just to say "look there's your FF representation!!" but on the other I think the series used to be this huge fever dream fantasy crossover between Square and Disney so I dont see why they cant integrate one or two fan favorite FF characters into a Disney world in a minor role like Auron and Zack were. It really doesn't seem like a huge problem other than Square not wanting to do it. I dunno. Like you, I played KH1 when I was young. I was 12 and the opposite happened to me: it introduced me to FF and then I went and played all of them and it became my favorite series. When I was an early teen waiting for scraps of KH2 news to appear on the internet, I was so excited wondering what a KH version of my favorite FF characters would look like in the new game. It was half the appeal to me and honestly the OC KH characters do not fill that same niche in any way, shape or form.

@joshuakurian7761

2 жыл бұрын

Yea the original characters and FF was what brought me into it. Not disney

@Redxan600

2 жыл бұрын

"It was half the appeal to me and honestly the OC KH characters do not fill that same niche in any way, shape or form." In other words, you care more about FF than you do with the Disney and the OC. Then, I have to ask, why are you a fan of KH to begin with?

@cantbehelped

2 жыл бұрын

​@@Redxan600 You're misconstruing my words purely to use as some sort of bad faith "not a true fan" moment. My point was never that the FF characters are more important than the OC characters. My point is the FF characters filled a COMPLETELY different role that was entirely separate from the OC characters and plot. The OCs ARE the plot, the driving force for the entire series, and they will always be more important and their stories are pretty great and worth being told. The FF characters on the other hand, are not the driving force and NEVER were. However, removing them completely leaves a hole where they used to be, because they filled a specific Squaresoft shaped fanservice niche. So why would one or two FF characters appearing in KH4 take away from the overarching story? I don't think that specific excuse tracks very well and actually is kind of a weak and uncreative argument. I'm sorry my post touched a nerve with you but it's my opinion as a fan of the series since 2003 and I stand by what I said.

@Redxan600

2 жыл бұрын

@@cantbehelped Oh, don't get me wrong here. If you want FF to be in Kh4 even if it's a small role, then that's fine. But you did say that the OC and Disney characters does not fill that hole for you unlike FF. I'm just wondering why do you still continue to play all of these KH games if the characters doesn't satisfy you the way FF does?

@supremedevice1311

2 жыл бұрын

@@Redxan600 ? I feel like you're not getting his point. Imagine you had a pizza, but suddenly all the tomato sauce was replaced with more cheese. You can still enjoy the cheese- cheesy bread is delicious, after all- but still wish that there was tomato sauce on there... because its not the pizza you were expecting. FF characters were a part of the KH series, and you can miss their absence even if you enjoy the series' new direction.

I'm easy to please in the final fantasy stuff, if Vivi shows up in a single cutscene and doesn't even have any lines then it will be a good game in terms of the final fantasy stuff in my eyes. He's my special boy and all he has to do is show up once and that's it I'm good. (While I would kill to see some other 9 characters show up with some new models I'm well aware that that's a bit too much to ask as it stands)

Final Fantasy was used in the marketing, but it's not how the game was first revealed. When announced it was just "Disney meets Square" and marketing turned it into "Disney x Final Fantasy", and then some people were disappointed that FF's role wasn't as big as the Disney properties'. This is why the main story is all about original characters, why there aren't any FF worlds, or why DDD can replace the FF characters with TWEWY characters and it wasn't weird to anyone. The main thing taken are FF's tropes, aesthetics and mechanics, but KH is very much its own thing, as for the Square characters, they were always on the side, they provide the JRPG lore dump, they are fanservice boss fights, they give a sense of meta-familiarity to Square fans that maybe aren't very into Disney movies (literally growing up playing with FF characters or looking up to an adult Squall), and help with some of the themes of the games, but many times they're completely reinterpreted for this. Whenever people say that KH is all about "Disney x Final Fantasy", I feel like they just got tricked by a 2001 marketing team when they were kids and never got over it. Funny enough, most people saying this are the ones that don't even like these games outside of 1 or 2 because they played them as kids lol.

@thedothackerkeyblademaster

2 жыл бұрын

It's also worth mentioning that originally KH1 was going to have Aya Brea from Parasite Eve in the game, but was dropped because a colleague requested Nomura put Aerith in the game instead.

Honeslty the thing I loved about Kingdom Hearts originally was getting to explore these traditionally animated classics and see how that meshed aesthetically with the RPG fantasy games I was growing up with. It was a weird mix but it worked. They maintained that idea for a while but never really captured the magic of that first game again despite still holding my engagement. I’m just not as interested in these being solely composed of more modern CG animated films or live action material that Disney now has the rights too. I’m open to a one off Star Wars world or a Marvel summon at the most but if going forward they’re totally abandoning the centuries worth of Disney history in favor of what’s popular now than I have no desire to continue with this franchise anymore.

@indedgames4359

2 жыл бұрын

Well tough luck but the series it Mainz am at kids. Im.someone who never outgrow it so its still for me even if i dont warch modern Disney i still am aware of some of it. You seem to have outgrown ist so i hope you qtleast not turn into a ther should cancel itand just let the series be for New kids what it once Was for you

@Aquatarkus96

Жыл бұрын

Centuries worth of disney history? No?

@HeyFella

Жыл бұрын

@@Aquatarkus96 a centuries worth, meaning one century. it’s almost 100 years old.

@lazyvoid7107

Жыл бұрын

​@@HeyFella Sounds like whining lol

The FF cast has been there since the beginning and were always a nice contrast to the perpetual daydream of the disney worlds. They really were the other side of that bridge that the KH original stuff spans. Especially in KH1 they were so involved and felt like residents of the world. It is the half of KH just as much as Disney is. When we lose that like in KH3 some of the tone and KH "magic" goes out the door. Edit: I have played like zero FF games and still enjoyed their characters.

Hear me out. Lilo & Stitch world set in Hawai'i. The islands would remind Sora of the Destiny Islands, providing possible character moments (and maybe helping him find/connect his home?). There could also be integration of Lilo and Nani's loss of their parents and how it could connect to the character's loss of Sora (Could also be used to make Sora regret his actions since he sees what he might've put his friends through). Could possibly tie the power of waking or just the connection between hearts in general to Hawaiian concepts such as aloha. I think seeing Lilo and Stitch in KH4 would be great and I'd love to see my home recreated in my favorite game series.

Does something need to be necessary to be put into a game? Just my two cents, but I've found some of the best parts of most games to be stuff designers added that they didn't need to do. As an example, Kirby and the Forgotten Land didn't need to do a revamped version of the Meta Knight fight from Kirbys Adventure that then gave you a Meta Knight mask exactly like the one Kirby has when he copies Meta Knight in Smash Bros that gives him Sword beams like those in LoZ BotW at full HP, but they did all of that and the game has only been made the better for it. I say rule of cool is always a great design philosophy. Also, most of the KH original characters have had full character arcs as well, but I think they still deserve to be around and do stuff, so why should the Final Fantasy character be any different? Idk, all the arguments against just feel like lazy design philosophy that at best only make sense in a vaccum.

@AudoPlay

2 жыл бұрын

I mean it isn't as simple as doing something just to do it. Including FF characters, especially now, takes a lot of resources. It means making new models, animating them, writing and recording their dialogue, creating cutscenes around them etc etc. They have a limited resources, budget and time so any addition like that will be at the cost of something else. When it comes to FF cameos they have to ask themselves 'is this cameo worth taking resources away from other parts of the game'? And have to seriously consider that. It's not like if FF characters were in KH3 base game for example, the game would be exactly the same just with FF chars now in it, something else would have had to have resources taken away from it for it to be implemented.

@AlastorNahIdWinRadioDemon

2 жыл бұрын

@@AudoPlay I mean that's not necessarily true though. Square Enix is one of the most successful game companies of all time and the general consensus of most gamers nowadays is, "Work on a game until its finished." not "Throw an arbitrary date and then throw the game out on that day." The only video game I think even has a fanbase like that might be Pokémon, and look what that's caused them. Basicaly, the game could literally just be the same game but with Final Fantasy characters if it came out at a later date.

I'm not a diehard FF fan, but I consider Leon, Yuffie, Cloud, Aerith, Cid, etc to be an integral part of KH, especially worlds like Radiant Garden, Traverse Town, and even Destiny Islands. I don't really need any new FF characters to be added in, and I don't even really need the already-in-KH final fantasy characters to have a major role in the story or anything, but I just hope that the devs will keep them in the games going forward and not act like they don't exist anymore just because the original cast has gotten too big. Also, I get that KH was never really supposed to be just a "Disney x Final Fantasy crossover", but it feels kinda shitty for Nomura to suggest that FF characters were only included at first just because KH was a new franchise and wasn't fleshed out enough on its own. Following that logic, any new game franchise would have to borrow characters from other properties just because its characters and world building aren't developed enough yet, which is obviously a ludicrous idea. No, FF characters and lore are a key part of what makes the premise of KH special, not just something added in to "lend a hand for everyone to get to know these [original Kingdom Hearts] characters better". If people can't connect with your characters, then the solution to that problem would be to write your characters better, not to throw in random properties from other games to compensate.

@cartooncritic7045

2 жыл бұрын

This feels really disingenuous to what Nomura was actually saying.

@aguywithgames3135

2 жыл бұрын

That wasn’t the point of their inclusion. They were trying to compete against big gaming icons like Mario, so they needed immediately recognizable characters of their own, which FF and Disney brought.

@addex1236

2 жыл бұрын

@@aguywithgames3135 Sqarsoft at the time of Kingdom Hearts 1 realises Sqarsoft was an RPG juggernaut final ridding high off the success of Final Fantasy Kingdom hearts would have sold like hot cakes without Final Fantasy. Numaria is lying in that interview

@Naminegir

2 жыл бұрын

@@cartooncritic7045 Seconding this. Plus I saw people on here commenting that they wouldn't have been interested in KH in the first place if FF wasn't in there. I think some people just need to stick with FF if that's the case 😑

The FF characters have always been just cameos and only filled side plots for the games and were never like part of the main plot of the games, theyve always just been there to meet the KH characters and maybe tell some parts of their story and and get to know them and that's about it, but they are what makes KH it's what gives the franchise more character to it they're integral to make the games complete in some way

For what it's worth, Nomura's stance is actually pretty consistent with how he's always felt about the FF characters. Nomura was clarifying that they were only cameos (and that there would never be worlds based on FF games) back before KH2 even came out and has explained that they were only included to begin with to ease the player into the new characters and world. He's talked about how with the KH cast being so big now they need to stand on their own since 2009. How, early on the FF chars crossing over was more unique but now there are so many titles featuring the FF chars crossing over with each other that it's not really a novel thing for KH to be doing that, etc. Nothing he's said here is really new information at all, in re: FF characters.

@maninblack3410

2 жыл бұрын

You could argue that KH doing anything disney or anything “original” has been done so much by now that none of it is novel. Which, then it becomes just a brand name that they’re stapling old story ideas onto because the board of directors wouldn’t let them make something that’s *not* kingdom hearts.

@BradsGonnaPlay

2 жыл бұрын

@@maninblack3410the idea that for KH to keep using the FF characters everything has to be “novel” rather than just giving them good voice actors and writing up their arcs absolutely baffles me. People liked them in the old games-I’d even go so far as to say no one hated their inclusion in the first game-so this “sit down, shut up” approach to their dwindling representation seems so disingenuous.

@maninblack3410

2 жыл бұрын

@@BradsGonnaPlay yeah. “Novelty” is such a gimmicky word anyway. The function of all borrowed characters, Disney or FF, is that *we* the audience already knows them and the main characters can bounce off the already established characters. Except… in that regard, because the FF characters had so much more flexibility, what those characters can do or become is far more interesting than any Disney character because they *always* follow their movie’s plot.

@ShockwaveFPSStudios

2 жыл бұрын

I call bullshit on this. By that logic Disney Characters are just random cameos. I just disagree with Nomura's bullshit on this. Plus, most of the Kingdom Hearts Original Characters that people loved, have already completed their arcs, not once, but twice.

@BobbyTheGamerOfJUSTICE

2 жыл бұрын

@@ShockwaveFPSStudios The difference is that Disney has a much bigger gripe on the series, unlike FF. There’s a reason why FF has never been represented on any of the games boxarts & we never got to explore any FF worlds

Anyone else laughed their heads when Nomura said that each game is self-contained?

The lack of FF characters is such a contentious topic. But honestly, if you’re going to write characters in as Sora’s friends who were pretty large parts of the world building in KH1 and 2 (being original residents is HB/RG) and have the series focused on friendships and hearts and bonds and then just write them out without a single word, it’s going to raise some eyebrows. Sure, you can argue that the OC roster has grown exponentially, but that’s only the result of the writer himself. Who in my opinion hasn’t done much to develop these original characters much at all.

@RaverRacer

2 жыл бұрын

Worst part is it never needed to be a contentious topic, and honestly it wasn't one until KH3 released. You can get a little measure of how the whole fanbase feels about them though because a lot of people want them included in some capacity. It's just that the minority who are against them are very vocal and kinda rude about it so it makes it seem more controversial than it truly is.

@dragonbornexpress5650

7 ай бұрын

@@RaverRacer Pretty sure it's the other way around; Hell, some people in the comments section are outright throwing tantrums over Nomura talking about Final Fantasy characters not being needed.

@RaverRacer

7 ай бұрын

@dragonbornexpress5650 I literally don't have the energy to converse about this anymore. Not including FF characters was a mistake, a big enough one that Nomura felt the need to address in Remind, and no, i read all these comments when the video came out and didn't feel anyone was throwing tantrums. Clearly YMMV. It's been almost 5 years. Just let it go.

@Redxan600

7 ай бұрын

@@RaverRacer First off, if you think that not adding in FF was a mistake, then you're not a KH fan to begin with. Second, even in Re:Mind they add nothing of value in the plot. They were just there for the fanservice. And third, you need to stop spreading these lies. I still remember that you agreed with someone who threw a temper tantrum because he lost to me in an argument about the importance of Final Fantasy and Disney. And not to mention that you accused me of stalking you to which I still have no idea who you are. If anything, you're in the wrong here, and you're straight up ignoring the fact that there are toxic people who attacks others for having an opinion about how little the importance of FF are. FF never did serve a purpose other than guidance and fanservice. Nomura said it in the KH1 ultima, and he had to say it again because people like you are straight up ignoring and cherrypicking his words. These are not subjective opinions, they are facts.

@Redxan600

7 ай бұрын

@@dragonbornexpress5650 Ignore what they said. They're just spreading lies because they don't want to admit that they're in the wrong. In fact, they agreed with someone who harassed me all because I stated that FF served no purpose in the plot.

12:10 it was marketed as Disney X Square Enix in one of the kh1 trailers

@samlewis6487

2 жыл бұрын

Square Enix does not in any way equal Final Fantasy. Square develops KH and will continue to even if FF elements completely go away

@BradsGonnaPlay

2 жыл бұрын

@@samlewis6487 people say this, but apparently don’t think that’s a weird decision to make? Like yeah, go ahead and cut off the part that literally kick started the lore of the games, brought our beloved SDG together and had a massive tie to Hollow Bastion (an original world for both the FF and original cast like Kairi). In kingdom hearts 2, they’re involved with some of the biggest story developments that still echo in the series TO THIS DAY. Oh but I guess they were just “side characters” after all

@Redxan600

2 жыл бұрын

@@BradsGonnaPlay Exactly, they are side characters. You can replace these FF characters with original characters and it'll still be the same. Hollow Bastion/Radiant Garden are important to the original characters like Kairi, Ansem the Wise, and even the Organization members. What role does the FF characters have and how does it tie for them in that world other than just their home? If they were really important to the series, they would've been in BBS.

@BradsGonnaPlay

2 жыл бұрын

@@Redxan600 … how does any character tie in to their worlds other than it being their home?? The justification is so weird. People like the characters and didn’t want to necessarily see them leave the series. Why is that such an awful sentiment to validate? I don’t need to defend the FF characters anymore than the game itself needs to defend the Disney characters relevance.

@Redxan600

2 жыл бұрын

@@BradsGonnaPlay "how does any character tie in to their worlds other than it being their home??" All right, I'll answer that for ya. Kairi was sent away from her home and it sets off the motion of Sora and Riku being curious about other worlds outside their islands. It shows the origin of where Kairi came from. Xehanort was the reason as to why Radiant Garden became Hollow Bastion with the Disney villains taking it over. It was their base of operations.

"Kirby's not a Keyblade wielder" ...YET

My problem with the argument that there isn't room for FF characters because we've got so many original characters is... well, I don't think the series NEEDS all these original characters. This series has a bad habit of never knowing when to just let go of characters who have already served their purpose. This got especially apparent in KH3, which brought back nearly every character from the previous games who had previously been killed off or phased from existence. And that extended even to characters who nobody would have complained if they had not appeared, like Ansem the Wise, Riku Replica, or Dilan and Aeleus. And then there's the parade of interchangeable nonentities that Union X and the mobile games keep introducing. It gets to a point where I feel like seeing fewer FF characters and instead getting more original character focus is just not an even trade. If it were a choice between, say, getting a follow-up to Cloud and Sephiroth's story, or seeing more of Ephemer and Skuld, I would quite happily choose the former.

@cartooncritic7045

2 жыл бұрын

My problem with this line of thinking is that BBS’s secret ending made it abundantly clear that the characters that appeared in Blank Points were always going to come back in some form and much of the speculation around KH3 was about how they would justify bringing back Roxas, Xion, etc. Nomura wanted to give those plot threads proper closure because one of the series’s themes has been about how much predetermined concepts like “fate” and “destiny” suck ass and that we shouldn’t have to live with it. That all was completely fine. As far as the UX characters go, exactly how important they’ll be is yet to be seen and at this point I’m open to literally anything as long as it remains engaging. I’m much more invested in the future of the series narratively than I am whether or not Cloud or Squall will show up in the next game to do nothing of interest. That’s just how the series is now and I think that’s fine.

@MrRobot-0

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with your point but not with your expemples asside from riku replica, but yeah characthers like data sora, roxas and xion, and the cavalcade of union characters are really less relevant than the restoration comite.

honestly, I don't have problem with the absent of new FF characters in KH3 or from now on I have a problem with the absent of KH characters, because at this point, Leon and the committee are KH characters... it's weird because the group have a big bond with Sora, and they kind of ignored them (even Radiant Garden being always present)... it's like ignoring one of the Organization guys... even they don't having time for Aeleus and Dilan, at least they are there in the background to assert us "they still exist", "we don't forget them" the same with Seifer gang... they filled TT with NPCs, would be so hard three of them be Seifer, Raijin and Fujin?... like, the only citzens of the world we know aside from Roxas' friends (and at least they were mentioned by a NPC... Setzer and Vivi were Xionned, like in Days's Xion) not to mention Cloud's sub-plot is the only thing left incomplete on KH2 and still is...

@joshuakurian7761

2 жыл бұрын

Fr. Nomura is killing KH right now by just putting in disney only. Like if kh4 ends up being 90% disney worlds that are just movie recaps im dropping the series. I LOVE THE CANON STORY. But the canon story has nothing to do with disney. It has to do with the original worlds and past keyblade wars.

@dragonbornexpress5650

7 ай бұрын

@@joshuakurian7761 I think you need to go touch grass; This is an unhealthy level of copium you're smoking.

To be honest the way Disney owns everything now it's hard to tell what all will be chose heading forward, it's kinda scary to think about for real bc it could either be super awesome or super horrible

@joshuakurian7761

2 жыл бұрын

Disney ruins everything. Kh3 was ruined by disney. Disney in kh2 and kh1 were great. But i. Kh3 those worlds did nothing for the plot

@Redxan600

2 жыл бұрын

@@joshuakurian7761 You know what you said is wrong. KH3's worlds added development to Sora's characters and added tension to the story. If you believed KH3 did nothing with the worlds, why do you ignore what kh2 did with those worlds. It blatantly did nothing to progress the story with the exception of a few certain worlds.

@joshuakurian7761

2 жыл бұрын

@@Redxan600 kh2 disney worlds did way more cuz they integrated the original chatacters and the kh story into those original worlds…..have you not played the gamr. And in kh2 what character growth did he gain from those worlds that he didnt get in kh2 before they dumbed him down in DDD and basically kept him like that in kh3.

@joshuakurian7761

2 жыл бұрын

@@Redxan600 and added tension where? LOL WHAT. Tension to what? To the Mom? To the organization? To master xehanort? Who????

@Redxan600

2 жыл бұрын

@@joshuakurian7761 kh2's worlds didn't do much, only a certain few compared to the rest. And I already told you my reasons through the other thread that you left. But let me guess, you're just going to straight up ignore my points I left, aren't you?

Very good Kingdom Hearts news coverage, I stumbled upon the interview a few days ago and you summed it up perfectly. Love this kinda content from you ☺️

I understand why you feel that way about ff stuff but also i grew up with ff and i did not grow up with disney so when i saw cloud and squal and tidus and wakka i was like "YOOOOO" but most of the disney stuff was literally brand new to me. so yeah, i get there's "no room for it" "wasn't a crossover" blah blah, but like, that doesn't change the fact that my personal wish for kh is a world set in one of the ff games or for the already existing characters to be more important and do more stuff, or idk, fuckin anything? zack was just in bbs and then never appears again ever, which given ff7's story makes sense but come on. the ff8 + vivi squad in Twilight Town just don't fucking exist in KH3, like why, we couldn't have seifer call sora a loser again? yes this actually upsets me.

My take on the FF discourse is that them taking a lesser role in these games is perfectly fine but phasing them out feels wrong. Nostalgia or not, FF is apart of the bedrock of the franchise, its more than just part of the initial charm. I don't think people are asking for Cloud to be a cast member, at most, I want appearances like Zack in Olympus in BBS: Fun little cameos that fit in with the world. No more than that.

I’m concerned about the lack of questions regarding the possible inclusion of a Haunted Mansion world.

@samlewis6487

2 жыл бұрын

@Rice of Heart Haunted Mansion was also a movie, but it never became as popular as Pirates of the Caribbean

@rondino4634

2 жыл бұрын

@Rice of Heart I think he is talking about the Eddie Murphy movie

Sora: let's be real *Becomes KH4 Sora*

@RegularPat

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for noticing the double meaning there :)

My main thing with the whole FF thing is that KH2 had twice as many FF cameos than KH1 despite also having three times as many original characters. FF being omitted from KH3 makes sense to an extent because the number of original characters kept rising after KH2. But saying you might not have room for FF characters in 4 but also might not have room for the side game characters?? Remy-sized cameos is enough IMO. Could've for example had Ignis work at his restaurant and it wouldn't have felt any more bloated and FF15 fans are happy. And tbh Sephiroth was just as much as a numbered game tradition as Pooh and we all expected it. We don't know a lot about KH4 but I do hope they find room lol

FF characters have been reduced to cameo characters since CoM. Once the Organization was introduced, there was always more interest in the original characters and their stories, simply based off fandom things like fanfic and fanart. I feel nostalgic for the FF characters because of KH1, they were really important to the first game's story, but they aren't integral to the overall KH plot like Disney is.

@joshuakurian7761

2 жыл бұрын

Bro how is disney important to the overall plot. Literally everything in kh3 story wise happened in original worlds

@joshuakurian7761

2 жыл бұрын

All of disney was just sora going there and watching the same movie frame by frame Lmao without any plot relevance

@ktownshutdown21

2 жыл бұрын

@@joshuakurian7761 One of the final images in the final boss battle of KH3 is you standing in between Goofy and Donald Duck as you defeat the big world destroying anime villain. Disney is baked into the concept of Kingdom Hearts. Disney is the POINT of this series existing in the first place.

@joshuakurian7761

2 жыл бұрын

@@ktownshutdown21 the canon kingdom hearts story. The arcs that we are following. The main plot and story. Has nothing to do with disney characters. Its all original characters and worlds with the foretellers and MOM. Disney and ff were both things just implemented. kh1 and kh2 where did disney great cuz they used disney but put original plot shit into those worlds. Like the org characters etc. in kh3 literally all the boss figbts in all the disney worlds etc were just big heartless in a disney move remake lmao. The disney worlds had no plot relevance at all. Only two characters are pete and maleficent who sre trying to find a black box. And istg they just did that to implement disney for no reason again. Like the box has to do with MOM ans foretellers not disney. If they were going to make disney the main focuz no one would have a problem. Kh3 disney worlds didnt progress the story at all.all the progression occured in original worlds with FF characters and the one disney character. The fairy god mother. In kh2 and kh1 the plot progressed in the disney worlds too. And i mean progression of plot. But as you can see the entire kh fandom is split fr.

@kupotenshi

2 жыл бұрын

@@joshuakurian7761 did you know all KH original characters are co-owned by Disney lol Mickey, Donald, and Goofy are main characters with just as much story impact as Sora (even more so in Mickey's case) You sound like an incredibly new fan.

i think nomura has said at some point that he's a star wars fan so it's possible that we see a star wars world in kh4 if it's true about nomura being a star wars fan

@RegularPat

2 жыл бұрын

He's definitely on the record saying that somewhere-- I wouldn't be surprised at all, and I'm frankly open to it. At the end of the day, the stuff that gets in is gonna be the stuff Nomura wants to explore. People think Disney forced Frozen onto him but nah-- my man fuckin loves Frozen

@TheHermaniac

2 жыл бұрын

It would be cool! But at the same time if it was not there I would not be dissatisfied

@RealCGH

2 жыл бұрын

I think star wars is a damn near guarantee to be in the game

@TheHermaniac

2 жыл бұрын

@@RealCGH Because of the rock?

I really love hearing your thoughts on this interview! I really hope we get a sort of Persona5-esque story progression of Quadratum and Disney Worlds! I really would love to see you do a bracket of how likely some of these fan theories are…Overall, I love how you approached this interview! (Although, I gotta be honest I definitely pulled an Axel dissociates while watching this and was so enthralled with watching you beat Zexion and Riku)

2 hot takes I told a friend when we were discussing this: 1. Just because Nomura is done with using the FF characters as marketing ploys, doesn't mean the fanbase will just automatically discard their feelings toward them & it's sucky of him to not of had that in true consideration in the beginning. 2. Due to the current plot we're dealing with it's understandable not to have FF characters for awhile.. bc yeah that's asking alot & be def ridiculous shoehorning, plus since we're still dealing with Nomura's infamous style of writing there's no way to expect any elegant execution out of that request, so yeah I'll be patient - BUT with that said. After the arc is wrapped up, Sora is back home/access to his universe again, & Nomura doesn't hit us with anymore narrow major plotlines..there's no excuse for us to not go back to the status quo. Also can we please stop acting(lying) like the FF characters were these huge stagehogs that stole every ocs spotlight?? Literally just Leon & his small crew were & STILL ARE the only SEMI-plot relevant of the bunch. Especially since the guy also admitted in the same interview that he doesn't even know what he wants to do with most of the secondary characters outside MOM & the other antagonistic groups(☠??)..Bro I can't with this guy again 😭

@ShockwaveFPSStudios

2 жыл бұрын

I just had it wit Nomura. The dude's completely lost it.

@xxChainingHeartsxx

2 жыл бұрын

@@ShockwaveFPSStudios I understand that the guy has been multitasking for a long ass time thanks to SE, thus he's mind is not as sable as it used be. I need this man to seriously take a lengthy vacation, the results from that will help most of us I'm sure.

I appreciate those closing thoughts about kh and smash. Mad respect

Gotta say, the FF characters are more legitimate than some of the main KH characters for me. Ill play 4 just like 3, ashamedly. I doubt it will tie up any dead end stories, but removing FF and another release like 3 will definitely convince me Ive wasted enough time, absolutely regardless.

@Eric-jy4qm

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, I care about Cloud, Leon, and the gang more than most of the Organization XIII members to be honest.

@monotonemanny4705

2 жыл бұрын

So you guys only play these 20+ hour games to see 30 minutes worth of cutscenes of final fantasy characters? It's fine to care about the FF characters and want them back, but to say that you will have wasted your time playing when they were always a small part in the earlier games sounds like maybe you just don't have an interest in the series anymore and would be happier if you stopped now.

@ATragedyPoetic

2 жыл бұрын

@@monotonemanny4705 Thats what happens when you are sloppy with IP. I didnt say I didnt like ANY of the KH cast. And yes, people will spend far more time to see less in games thats why crossovers are a staple in media.

@zinn1as

2 жыл бұрын

the ff characters don't even have more than 30 mins of screen time... yall just be saying shit

@zinn1as

2 жыл бұрын

@@Eric-jy4qm then go play their games instead??

I'd say one last hole with the FF characters is that Leon changes back to being called Squall. I'm pretty sure I remember Leon saying in KH1 that he'd do so when his world restored which it clearly appears to be in KH3. Other than that, I'm fine with cameos, but the main FF gang has pretty much jas their story tied up.

Yes. With the first KH the game was touted as a crossover with Disney and Final Fantasy. it was in game magazines all over the place. It was why I was super excited for the game when it came out.

I'm of the opposite opinion with Final Fantasy characters - they're as necessary for the tone as Disney characters and provide a nice contrast in terms of themes, with original characters being a nice balance between the two. When I was younger, I thought the limited involvement of FF was more due to trying to manage the age rating or how mature the games came across compared to the more upbeat tone of the Disney characters. If they view FF as training wheels they can get rid of and push out the involvement of FF characters, that's massively disappointing to me. [Also not the biggest fan of series like KH increasingly favouring graphical realism over content. Balancing is expected and reasonable, but I've watched enough series go down the favouring graphical realism path to have lost interest in valuing it over other aspects of a game]

@joshuakurian7761

2 жыл бұрын

Bro fr. If they completely cut out ff and make the original characters just another disney character then im dropping the series. And its my favorite series of all time. Literally they changed kairi into this shy girl, while in kh2 she was balls to walls wielding a keyblade without thinking to go fight heartless, riku wasnt as plain and even if he has less lines in kh2 that riku was still better which says alot. And sora is still as dumb as he was i. DDD. Its as if the older he gets the more childish he gets. Kh2 sora was peak sora cuz he was so fucking mature and didnt talk like a disney sitcom character that uses the laugh track for their jokes

@thatboringone7851

2 жыл бұрын

@@joshuakurian7761 Yeah, in general I feel like the direction the series is going lately has been... odd. DDD's oddities I can excuse for not quite being a main game and designed for a different console, plus I still enjoy playing it and like some of the things they implemented (flowmotion in particular). Kingdom Hearts was and still is one of my biggest special interests, so the changes have been rough for me. My hot take is that the big decisions being made for the game are more focused around marketability to new players (eg Disney attractions, graphical realism, open world design, flooding the game with new mechanics that don't necessarily balance out well) than building on or continuing series traditions (the game starting on and revisiting an original world, superbosses, strategic depth that the player needs to learn on harder difficulties, etc). Both Disney and Square Enix are tending towards the same problems a lot of 'AAA' game development is these days, speaking as an attempted game programmer, so I'm not sure they'll return to the old Kingdom Hearts formula in future games sadly.

@AudoPlay

2 жыл бұрын

@@joshuakurian7761 Well, should probably drop the series? Honestly, even if they do manage a couple FF cameo's in KH4, they are never going to go back to KH1/KH2 in terms of FF characters. That was 16 years ago and since then the only prominent new FF cameo was Zack in 2010.

@RegularPat

2 жыл бұрын

@@joshuakurian7761 Did you really find Days, BBS, and DDD to have enough FF to not justify dropping the series?

@Redxan600

2 жыл бұрын

I'm looking under this thread and I see that the two of you aren't really KH fans to begin with. If you didn't like KH just because it was missing FF characters, then you weren't KH fans to begin with. And I honestly think it's for the best that you just drop this series now if you have this mindset of FF being an important role when Nomura has already stated twice that FF are a crutch for sales. Oh, and for Joshua, you said, "Kh2 sora was peak sora cuz he was so mature" Meanwhile in kh2 Sora, he got excited to see Santa Claus. He acted like a child when he sees him. He even acted like a child when Pirates was mentioned.

Sora's Keyblade was turned into a shovel and Nomura was borrowing it to bury himself til hip level for 3 days

My take on the FF characters, like yeah, I agree they shouldn’t steal focus but they are a part of the appeal of Kingdom Hearts so I don’t see why we couldn’t get more cameos just as fun fan service. KH has been marketed as a Disney and FF crossover in the past so it makes sense that that’s something fans are looking for in a KH entry (even though FF characters are only really relevant in KH 1 & 2). The Gullwings f.e. only show up for like two scenes and then are gone forever, didn’t really serve any major role in the plot but I don’t see anyone complaining about that. It was a fun little cameo and that’s about all that needs to be to it. Slap Lightning in Quadratum as a random shopkeep or NPC with a side quest that serves as an homage to FFXIII, have Lulu walking around doing whatever, use Chaos as inspiration for a Heartless boss or even make him a secret boss, make Zidane a cereal mascot or something in Quadratum idk. Just have fun with it, they have this entire pantheon of characters that they could use due to the nature of the franchise and they’re kind of wasting an opportunity to make something fun and dumb imo, which I feel KH has been lacking a bit in the past two or three entries.

@Redxan600

2 жыл бұрын

"KH has been marketed as a Disney and FF crossover in the past" Except it hasn't. It's been marketed as a Disney and Square crossover. We still have Square stuff in the game with the magic and spells. "Just have fun with it, they have this entire pantheon of characters that they could use due to the nature of the franchise and they’re kind of wasting an opportunity to make something fun and dumb imo, which I feel KH has been lacking a bit in the past two or three entries." If you ask me, if that's what makes KH sell because they're just there, then it's really stupid. I mean, KH has been doing fine on its own without the need of FF. Look at Days and DDD. They did fine and no one complained about them being gone. KH3 even sold seven million copies despite the fact that there was no FF other than mentions.

@handsoaphandsoap

2 жыл бұрын

​@@Redxan600 Just the fact the characters are there is basis enough that they were definitely using FF to sell the game to their previous player base, otherwise they wouldn't have used them. It's smart business sense, they capitalized on using Disney properties to sell the game to a general public and by also adding the FF characters, you bring in that audience and also prime the audience to expect a more mature and grounded story than that of the Disney movies (btw just talking about the first game, later games didn't really do this or needed to do this since they're selling a tried idea as sequels to an established franchise). And I never said the FF characters were a particular selling point nor that they absolutely need to be there for KH to be a successful franchise, obviously that is not the case with multiple entries not having FF characters in it yet performing well. I will also play future games regardless of if the FF crossover is maintained or not, it's ultimately a very minor aspect of the series. All I'm saying is there's precedent for having FF characters for this particular franchise and there is nothing to be lost by having more FF cameos so why not? Why not add random characters as a bit of fun fan service? The game is gonna need some NPCs anyway, why not utilize these resources you already have at hand when you only stand to gain by doing it anyways?

Regarding the FF stuff, I guess I always viewed them on par with the Disney characters (even though they're featured less frequently than those), so when Nomura says they're difficult to add in I just don't understand it. Wakka, Selphie, and Tidus are childhood friends of Sora, Riku, and Kairi. It would've made far more sense for them to feature at some point in KH3's story compared to shoehorning in Merlin, Pooh, Scrooge, and Remy.

First I want to say, great video, and... Honestly, we don't need FF characters... But I WANT them, at least as cameos. They don't have to be part of the main story, just cool side things Now that Sora is living in an apartment and the gameplay of kingdom hearts will evolve towards that, that will give them more room to just put FF/square enix characters where ever they want. Heck, have them as side quests ___________________________________ Sidequest idea: Sora finds Ignis having trouble with the Regalia. Sora could go around the city looking for a mechanic to help fix the car. Reward: this builds a relationship between Sora and Ignis, and maybe Ignis can teach different food recipes to Sora to cook back at his apartment (similar to KH3 cooking) ______________________________ I could go on and on, and their stories don't have to be exactly like their original counterparts: Maybe Prompto and 2B have a similar backstory because they both are artificial humans Maybe Sora bumps into lightning who is a fashion designer. Lightning sees potential in Sora as a fashion model, and Sora now has to do a mini game where he's modeling or something (stupid and dumb stuff... But funny and fun)

@oreotaku4017

2 жыл бұрын

Funny idea with the modeling. If they ever did do something like that Shiki from TWEWY might be a better fit as a fashion designer. She actually has her own brand of clothes in NEO TWEWY.

@sodamustdie4372

2 жыл бұрын

@@oreotaku4017 That... would be freaking dope

not sure if anyone else has said this, but i personally read the point about graphics as nomura acknowledging how there were less worlds in khiii vs. the earlier numbered installments, and how that trend is likely to continue in khiv. i remember feeling a bit cheated with khiii from the outset because there were less worlds numerically, but then after playing i realized how much more depth each of the worlds had (some more than others, but the point still stands). a lot of that is due to the improvements in technology (less loading screens, more open spaces) and graphics (they can tackle more interesting, varied worlds in the same game), so i'm pretty sure that was the connection. he got asked about disney worlds and answered that they'll be there, but that improved graphics quality ironically means less of those worlds overall because they want to - and are able to - do more with each individual world. so tldr, i basically read that as nomura confirming that they're going for a quality, not quantity approach with disney worlds/worlds in general going forward. tempering expectations that we're going to get a whole slew of new worlds, but promising the updated graphics quality will mean whatever worlds are there are dynamic and interesting. a quick note on the possibility of more side games: i wouldn't be surprised if we see another side game on switch. my fantasy is a days remake that takes advantage of the updated graphics and maybe has new side content to flesh out the lea and isa story, but i'm aware that's probably a pipe dream. FINALLY i'd just like to say pat you should totally play persona. it's an absolutely maddening experience, but a whole lot of fun once you sink your teeth into it. they recently announced a lot of the persona games are getting ports to newer consoles/pc, so it's a good time to dive into the series and see if it's for you, and you're more than welcome to start with the most recent release, p5r.

I agree that flushing out original KH characters should take precedence by far, which is one of the reasons that KH3 just didn't meet expectations for me. So many chances for original KH character interactions are bogged down by slow and uncreative writing, and yet KH3 cutscenes feel forever long because 1/3 of them are quoting entire chunks of Disney movies verbatim, 1/3 of them set up for the Foretellers arc, and 1/3 are rambling on in the Disney worlds about things like Studying the bonds that toys' heart's can make even though you are clashing with some Keyblade masters in a few days. Finding 7 new lights in case the guardians can't hack it, even though just kidnapping Rapunzel and clashing with her sounds way easier than any Keyblade wielder. And trying to digitize hearts or whatever Dark Riku was doing in sanfransokyo. You can't burn through that much of your runtime on things you don't plan on paying off and are just glorified excuses to be in Disney worlds again, and hope that all your original characters who are AFK for 80% or more of your game are going to get any screen time/development/resolutions. It just feels like the KH story was kicked to the curb and FF characters got the axe completely to make room for shot-for-shot Disney movie recreations and some cheesy one-liners from Woody and Hiro.

@lazyvoid7107

Жыл бұрын

Memes much

Saying there isn’t enough room for FF characters in the story falls flat for me mainly bc it’s not like we’ve been getting good character development for the OCs in the games w/o FF.

I’ve been seeing people online view the no FF in KH criticism as “oh you just want final fantasy to take up a bunch of space!!” but I don’t think that’s the case. I don’t think people are saying they want final fantasy to take up a bunch of space in KH, I think people just want back the small cameos. Zack was the only FF character in BBS and people seemingly didn’t complain about that. I really want the FF cameos back just because they’re fun. It’s fun to see final fantasy characters in a Disney game. I just think it’s neat! If KH4 only has like one or two FF characters that are handled well then I’m totally satisfied.

@BradsGonnaPlay

2 жыл бұрын

I mean… I DO just want the FF characters back and “taking up space” whatever that means lmao they were absolutely integral to the first two games. It’s literally just laziness that they’re not doing anything with them.

@UncleFlutus

2 жыл бұрын

@@BradsGonnaPlay Oh, maybe that’s just how I feel then. I mean I’d absolutely prefer for them to be as big a part as they were in 2, I loved them there. I’ve just kind of accepted that probably won’t ever happen again lol.

@jamessmall8096

2 жыл бұрын

I totally agree, the FF cast was a staple from the beginning the deserve to have the "space" allotted for them, the whole appeal atleast for me was the mixing of the universes that were apart of my childhood growing up and the FF cast has been lost along the way, they need to be brought back bc again to me KH isn't KH without FF

@JoelBurger

2 жыл бұрын

@@BradsGonnaPlay If by "integral" you mean they showed up for about half an hour of the game and really didn't do much besides stand there and exist as cameos and coliseum fights.

@AudoPlay

2 жыл бұрын

@@BradsGonnaPlay It's not "laziness". It's a question of resource and budget. Any FF character inclusion is taking away resources/budget from some other aspect of the game. And the question is, is it worth it for that? That's something they seriously have to consider anytime this comes up. Is this cameo worth the amount of resources/time/budget that it would take away from the original characters, from fleshing out the worlds, etc.

Love how you mentioned about Nightmare Before Christmas, I still love the Disney 411 KH trailer

It's fine if Nomura wants to dial back on the FF or even Disney aspects, I'm not one to tell a creator how they should tell their story, but the interview did leave a bit of a sour taste in my mouth. The novelty of classic Disney meets FF was the whole reason I picked KH up 20 years ago, and while I have enjoyed almost all of the games, I'm not really that interested or invested in a large portion of the original characters, because they're about as three dimensional as a piece of paper. But I'll wait and see how things go, I'm just not getting my hopes up this time.

Hi Pat, new sub here. Random suggestion. Have you ever considered doing a ranking or analysis video for World-specific Party Members (e.g. Skellington, Peter Pan, Ariel)?

Imagine if they add a Treasure Planet world!

I think, at this point in the series, it's not really possible to put more FF characters in KH. Radiant Garden is the FF world pretty much, and so if it's not a part of the series, there's no reason to include new FF characters. They COULD put in new worlds based on different FF games, but it would be pretty pointless. As for the characters that have already appeared, they've all had fully completed arcs and there is zero reason for them to continue appearing. It's like asking why Ariel hasn't appeared after KH2. Because there's no point. They simply are not relevant anymore, nor where they ever particularly relevant in the first place.

@joshuakurian7761

2 жыл бұрын

They didnt finish zacks story or cloud and sepha story

@ktownshutdown21

2 жыл бұрын

@@joshuakurian7761 Zach's story is done, he was meant to mirror Terra's with his possession in BBS and that's it. Also he's long in the past by now, so his time is long over. Also Zach is fucking dead since Sephiroth obviously killed him during the BBS credits, LOL.

@joshuakurian7761

2 жыл бұрын

@@ktownshutdown21 hey hey hey wasnt it just a scene with zack and seph. It didnt show seph killing him. Also HEar me out for a sec since zack is back. They could implement him again. I just doubt it they way nomura been off his meds

in regards to the graphics capabilities thing, nomura might be referring to the idea that each world is much more capable of having its own unique style and shader effects, which takes longer to set up

Personally I don’t think we need /new/ final fantasy characters, but like the Hollow Bastion crew are friends with the main KH characters so I feel like they should be there at the very least. Newer FF characters would be cool, but I’d rather see them like Auron in KH2 or Zack in BBS but nothing super crazy big like how they were with KH1 and 2,

Sora, doing his daily routine job in quadratum: “Sir, this is a Wendy’s”

How do you feel about the return of reaction commands?

i just wanna fight sephiroth again

To me, the appeal of Kingdom Hearts has always been the crossover between Disney and Final Fantasy. Even though the series always veered more towards Disney, Final Fantasy was still a major aspect of the series. Even though that didn't completely go away in KH3 - due to spells and other small cameos - it was quite jarring to have scenes set in Radiant Garden and not at least have Leon show up for a couple of lines, especially as he became the de facto leader of Radiant Garden in KH2 and he's no-where to be seen whilst Ansem's apprentices just have free reign of the castle. Then there's Seifer's gang being completely absent. They didn't have to do anything, but it's weird that they were left out of Twilight Town. Also, it was a huuuuge missed opportunity to not include Ignis into the cooking minigame. I don't know if he was still pissed he was taken off FFXV or how much it changed from it's original concept of Versus XIII, but it was a no-brainer to get Ignis involved in some way. Final Fantasy characters don't have to be the main focus, they don't have to be major characters in the main plot of a Kingdom Hearts game, but they should be involved. They could easily be side characters in Disney worlds; imagine if they had a medieval fantasy world, like the Sword in the Stone and they had classic FF characters like the Warrior of Light, or Cecil and Kain from FFVI.

Personally, I hope that Xion and Namine (I want her to get the new Oathkeeper and Xion to wield Oblivion) goes to train with Master Terra while Kairi learns from Aqua. As for Roxas I kinda just want him to hang out and get to live a normal life with Hayner Pence and Olette. Hoping Ven joins Lea and Isa on their way to discover the missing girl. (Also wanting Larxene and Marluxia to at least meet them on that road.)

I love your videos

I mean, obviously they fit Smash into KH canon by having Sora having wound up there inbetween KH3 and KH4, and it gets referenced like twice and never again. It's how SRW does it, because they reference every fucking crossover any character from that franchise got into. :V

While I totally agree with you about the FF stuff, I think a solution would be to include a FF world. I know that it wouldn't have worked for the previous games because the tone would be wildly different from everything else, but with the way this series seems to be going I see no reason why they can't have Sora visit a FF themed world. Or they could even take characters from FF properties that we haven't previously seen and just have them be citizens of Quadratum. I think that would be the best way to do it too. Why can't Yozora and Noctis live in the same building? What can't Lightning be Sora's next door neighbour? Maybe her and Strelitzia are friends. And if Sora and Strelitzia are here after having "died" then maybe they could work Zack in as well. They don't need to be major players or anything but just having them there would be cool

@CinnamonGrrlErin1

2 жыл бұрын

World of Final Fantasy would actually be the perfect jumping point too

I could see that we get with Quadratums Day to Day Life something like the beginning of KH2, as we play Roxas Day to Day, with a bit of work and crazy story stuff, that leads to Disney Words. I could immagine that Sora has to use his Keyblade Beam Portal Thing, that we saw all the time in Union Cross and one time in KH3.

My only question is if the reason there will not be FF characters is there are to many original characters now, why did he also say most of those original characters wouldn't have space in the game? Other than Sora who else would be taking up the space then? To me it sounds almost like they want to make new original characters but aren't going to be keeping the old ones around.

Fingers crossed for a home on the range world

8:13 In KH3 the base of operation is Mysterious Tower, which is why I find it so weird that its not playable.

to be, if they wanna put more Final Fantasy characters in KH, they could go either way. Like, maybe stop with the Final Fantasy 7 characters in KH, but if you still insist on invluding them, RED XIII wearing the black cloak, there

@oreotaku4017

2 жыл бұрын

Red XIII in The Pridelands

Two reasons why FF characters should stay. Jack. Garland. We're here to kill Chaos...I mean the Darkness.

@loganhayse8771

2 жыл бұрын

@Tom Jones Sora: We must find Kingdom Hearts. Jack: ...bullshit.

Could you do a list video of you ranking your favourite Secret Endings from worst to best?

I totally get haveing less FF stuff especially in KH 3 but even if FF was just a crutch, Leon and the gang are kinda part of the team now. Its like how in Dragon Ball Z at a time Yamcha and Krillan where like major players and stuff but got sidelined and its just awkward and clumsy to act like they never mattered to begin with

@samlewis6487

2 жыл бұрын

They are side characters at best. They have no relevance to the plot, and their knowledge of the lore never made sense in the first place

@CidAghast

2 жыл бұрын

@@samlewis6487 I accept they are side characters but they're still part of the team the same way the fairy godmother Chip and Dale or Jimmny Cricket are.

@joshuakurian7761

2 жыл бұрын

@@samlewis6487 i can say the same about all the disney worlds. Outside of mickey whos a keyblade wielder

@thatboringone7851

2 жыл бұрын

Strong agree, it's very weird and clumsy to have them so involved in important moments during 1 and 2, then not show up for anything until the full game priced but still optional content DLC in 3. They might not be main characters but neither are several reoccurring Disney characters like Yen Sid. It's weird for them to have disappeared from the plot altogether, especially in parts where you could reasonably expect them to show up (for instance helping out alongside Zexion, or Sephiroth being an optional superboss in late game content).

I don't especially care about the KH versions of Final Fantasy characters, but I would LOVE to visit at least one Final Fantasy world. Maybe IV, VI, X, or the XII/Tactics world. They have some amazing locations.

@brightht2324

2 жыл бұрын

It would be interesting if Sora went to the Tactics Advanced or Tactics Advanced 2, since they take place in a book. Could work like with Winnie the Pooh.

I like when Kingdom Hearts fans misinterpret things Nomura says and come to conclusions like Sora is 17 years old or Smash Bros is canon to Kingdom Hearts

@anakomaru

2 жыл бұрын

Alright, then, how old is Sora?

@outofthecoral

2 жыл бұрын

@@anakomaru 16

I'm feeling the same way about KH as I did about Paper Mario. They keep making games so SOMEONE is enjoying them, but it's kind of drifting further away from me personally with every installment.

@BradsGonnaPlay

2 жыл бұрын

*insert THESE GAMES ARE MADE FOR KIDS, NOT YOU* /j I agree with you and it’s sad. Make the games appeal to younger and younger audiences so gullible parents will buy things that are poorly rated by the demographics who grew up with them. Just like the video game crash of the 80s before my time, video games are back to being just kids toys these days… unless you play the games dominated by MLG and E-sport players, in which case you can only have a little casual fun.

@cartooncritic7045

2 жыл бұрын

@@BradsGonnaPlay This comment is legit demented and I have no idea what you’re getting at besides being a boomer.

@BradsGonnaPlay

2 жыл бұрын

@@cartooncritic7045 🤘

@Lynn-wy8ft

10 ай бұрын

Honestly i feel the same. Quadratum just looks... so lifeless to me and has none of the more classic kh archetecture and even if i'm sure there will be more whimsy in the final product the fact that this is what theyre showing off says to me that this will be the primary focus from now on. And taking the ff guys out of there is such a shame too...

@Erikthedood

9 ай бұрын

@@Lynn-wy8ftyou have a persona 5 pfp…is Shibuya not interesting because there’s a “big serious plot,” and it looks like a regular city? What about the palaces? The meta verse? I’m not sure if you’re aware of the whole versus xiii influence on KH4’s direction…but it looks visually the most interesting KH Has ever looked. I just don’t understand how that can’t be interesting to you, especially if you like p5.

The stuff about the other characters like Roxas, xion etc not potentially showing up much because their arcs are over is quite surprising to me personally because Ventus’s arc is far from over which makes me think if they’re not gonna make a side game with him in then what are they gonna do with his arc. It’s pivotal to the lost master arc and needs a side game or 2 to really push the narrative forward. To come out and say that there may not be any more exploring character arcs catches me off guard.

I feel a bit sad about the FF characters news in the recent interview because when we see them, their unique and have these different yet familiar things about them from their original material. Meanwhile the Disney characters aren’t different at all because we’re usually going through their movies and aren’t allowed as much creative liberties. They’re pretty much stuck in a bubble.

Bruh I never even stopped to consider that it was possible we got a full game about Lea and Isa trying to find subject X but I think a game where I get to play, as Lea would be amazing haha

The only part of this interview that worries me is the bit about the side characters. I think it would be very disappointing if we spent all this time waiting for them to come back only for them to have very small roles going forward.