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Clear difference is with the eyes!!! INFP has dreamy eyes. INFJ has starey eyes, more opened, more gazing.

@melissaclair1508

Жыл бұрын

I agree, his brothers eyes do seem more dreamy.

@VictoriaForSale

Жыл бұрын

I can't agree when I think on my partner (infj) and me. I have very big eyes and he has eyes that he has to force to open up a lot 🤣 he has a sexy gaze. But I tend to look more dreamy, that's true. He tells me all the time people feel immidated by his gaze. 🤣 He never looks like this at me so I don't know bzt I saw photos at work and yes, he can look immidating.

@yvonnea9782

Жыл бұрын

really, totally agree~ I see every video, INFP has soft eyes, and INFJ more precise

@aladdout9454

11 ай бұрын

​@@VictoriaForSalewhat ur type

@justinb9612

4 ай бұрын

The INFJ has a more focused stare whereas the INFP brother is looking up often and eyes darting back and forth as if connecting the dots in his mind. I believe I do the same as the INFP.

Interesting, they say INFJs are seen as cold/logical by other feelers and emotional by thinkers. I think this comes out here when your brother says you express your feelings more easily -which sounds backwards but it isn’t- the look on your face for a second is confused… he sees you as detached from your emotions, he feels he values his emotions more- so much so that he prefers to keep them hidden- I see this as a practical, real world example of infj not being feeling enough for other feelers…. we are more detached from our feelings, or more easily detached, than the other feeling types. Fascinating.

As an INFP, my relationship with my dad (INFJ) is probably the relationship in my life I cherish the most.

@grachiamoina5517

2 жыл бұрын

This comment touched my heart... Take careeee! 🍒

@aladdout9454

Жыл бұрын

aah, a dad with a compatible type, know that you're one of the luckier ones❤.

It's very evident you two brothers care about each other-I wish more bros were like that. You set a good example, so thank you!

@thefearlessone2649

3 жыл бұрын

That's what happens when you're both NF. Can happen to any type but this is very much expected to NF sibs.

Interesting. I very much so relate to your brother when he says he doesn’t want to say emotions out loud because they lose their meaning. For me I always feel like they don’t matter as much the moment I say them. Also that I can not accurately display them. I think that closing out the world can be very INFJ. Something people don’t talk about as much. Great video, nice to meet Kevin!

@dustsettles6099

3 жыл бұрын

I think that is why INFJ is deemed rare, because so many of us shut out the world haha

@Mute2024

2 жыл бұрын

Yea I think that’s definitely one of the things we are known for.

@VV-ik7sy

Жыл бұрын

Yes! My mom (ESFJ) always asks me how I feel after big events (such as giving birth) or an emotional movie, as though she’s expecting some big response. It immediately irritates me; why does it matter how I felt? Maybe it irritates me because I’m not always aware of how I feel. When something heavily impacts me, it is hard to put into words how it impacts me, without reflection.

Great video! One thing that my INFP boyfriend and I (INFJ) have discovered is that I abide by external “rules” whereas he abides by what “feels right” inside despite external rules.

INFP here. I work in an elementary school as a full-time substitute teacher and one of the special needs teachers I became close to is INFJ. She has a very focused, intense gaze that I felt intimidated by at first 😅 She sonehow became a mentor to me and is always building me up like the older sister I never had.

Amazing video, I liked the point Kevin made about Fi and sharing emotions. For me, (an INFJ) it’s not the emotions that lose their intensity when I share them, it’s the thoughts and realizations and connections that I don’t like to share much. Sharing emotions for me is my way to connect with people and help them open up. But when I share an idea, it loses its meaning, it loses its essence and becomes insignificant for me and I start to hate it because I feel like discussing it with people ruined it. That’s why I’m such a secretive private person. I don’t know if that’s Ni or Ti but I feel like it’s one of these two. Like I’m a writer and when I get an idea I’m so excited and I’m happy. But if I share it with someone and they begin to dissect it, I lose interest and abandon the whole idea and possibly hold a grudge over it.

@xjetfirex3956

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I can relate to that. I'm not into sharing the ideas that are deep within me most of the time. But it's not ideas themselves becoming insignificant that prevents me from sharing them, but the fact that I, most certainly, won't be able to explain it in such a way that it would be understood correctly. I must be absolutely sure that my idea is not getting misinterpreted in any way, and every aspect of it is covered entirely. I'm afraid that's nearly impossible to accomplish due to how complex it is and how imperfect such way of transmitting information as a language is. Even while writing this comment I had to make several edits and I'm still not sure that I said everything I wanted to say xd

@2trntbls469

Жыл бұрын

@xjetfirex3956 LOL... Thank you so much for that, now get out of my head 😛

@artistocracy

2 ай бұрын

@@xjetfirex3956Yes, I hear you and can relate. It’s definitely an INFJ’s inner dilemma to initially be ok with what we said, but then dissect it for rightness or wrongness due to the complexity of our thought and subsequent expression.

I'm INFJ with an INFP sister. While we are similar in being introverted and sensitive, I see a lot of difference between us. My Fe goes into a feedback loop with her Fi, and it exhausts me. I want to put feelings in perspective, she wants to sit in them. I feel like I look at the evidence and keep an open mind before making a decision, where she makes a decision and then looks for evidence to back it up. I put more stock into logic, she puts more stock into her feelings. The journaling point was interesting. My sister exhaustively journals about her emotions and how she feels about things. I do not currently journal, but back in the day I used to LiveJournal, and it was much more my thoughts about ideas and external things. So you may be onto something there.

@sdgfsdfsdf1820

5 жыл бұрын

Lol

@Michelle-ke7me

4 жыл бұрын

@@sdgfsdfsdf1820 What does your comment mean?

@Michelle-ke7me

4 жыл бұрын

Great insight! Does your sister know about this video? Would be interesting to know her perspective.

@abdulrahmanrashad7225

2 жыл бұрын

I also have an infp brother and man is it hard for him to make a wise decision but still I don't want to ever change cause this is his way to express life you know I don't want him to loose his imaginative yet creative mind But you will be surprised that actually the best and most closest friends to him is my estj brother if would like to play he would go to him if he would want to have fun he would play with him and both of them actually really gets annoyed at me because I act so differently than them it's like I am the black sheep

An INFJ (I think) American here: I had no idea you had a French accent! Having seen some of your videos before this one, I thought you had a Scots accent. 🤦‍♀️ I'm so sheltered 😄 Loved this video. 💗 I keep a diary but am more open to expressing my emotions when I am comfortable with the person I'm with (most often my ISTJ husband).

Yes. As an INFP, i don’t express my emotions much. Also, when i choose to, halfway through i come to the “realisation” that it’s not as intense as it seemed earlier (especially when it’s negative...like anger). So i just keep it to myself. Also, with anger, i analyse it first to figure out if every human/personality type would be offended by whatever offended me (basically, do my emotions make sense?), or am i just overreacting? It’s annoying, but within minutes or sometimes overnight, the anger is gone. Hahaha Also explaining my anger to the offender in a way he/she will understand is just difficult, so why bother?

INFJ, and fellow philosopher here, I have always kept a philosophy journal with notes/ideas of my readings. Only recently did I start a diary to work out my emotions because I never know how I truly feel until I write. Also, I just finished reading "The Ecstatic Soul" and found it great how succintly you applied existential phenomenology and Jungian psychology. As an INFJ,when I studied philosophy, I was very drawn to Heidegger, Weil, Satre, Nietzsche and Jung. They just speak to our souls somehow. Great job because you are really onto something.

@VictoriaForSale

Жыл бұрын

I am writing diary and books and short stories since I can write (infp), also I write music and sing and I am so fond and happy that my infj fiance started to write and make music because he felt inspired by me and my passion for it. He wanted to be an actor or making music but because of his family and background he dismissed that idea though I know he craves for an inspiring job or hobby that gives him the opportunity to show his magnificent inner world. We also talked about making music together as soon as we r married and live together and there's nothing that makes me more happy. He writes his stories and poems just for me and I always encourage him to go on with it. I can remember when we started dating he told stories to me, it always had to do something with him but he didn't straight forward say, I experienced this. He has such great potential and I can't believe Noone ever supported him in his creativity. It makes me kinda angry. Wasted potential always makes me angry.

This was great! One pattern I picked out (and it is one that I also find with my INFJ friends) is that you started out by questioning about SIMILARITIES..trying to find common ground... wheras myself and your brother seem to find it more natural and nuanced to freely point out DIFFERENCES.. even when asked directly to think about the SAMENESS of both your personalities. Do you think that being an INFJ means you often engage with others by similarity first through Fe? and then move into Ni perspective seeking? which opens up to a wider range of possible answers? I noticed one INFJ friend will always try to reveal similarities in himself that match the experiences im sharing with him in the moment.. and not revealing differences that have the potential to cause conflict or distance.

@ayoubbouras3065

5 жыл бұрын

As an infj , i notice that i do that a lot with new friends to have a commun ground to begin with , but i do it unconscieuly !!

@thynisia396

4 жыл бұрын

Both my friend and I are INFJs and every time something similar comes up, we go like POINT COMMUN!!

@Hadas1976

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. It is a method for me to even start a conversation which otherwise be stressful for me. I mention how someone is similar to me in such and such way and then the conversation flows more easy, instead of simple small talk which makes me scared because i run out of topics and words...

Love this!!! I was genuinely smiling the entire video! I am super curious about your brother, he is very interesting! And dreamy, lol, but I will hush bc I'm in a relationship! But whats more interesting is I want to compare him to other male INFPs because female INFPs in my experience are very different and it's sometimes even hard to tell they are the same type. I also love seeing you guys interact (you appear like an interviewer, like trying to distance yourself for the sake of research, but I can still see the love and warmth, but in your brother, just in the way he looks at you and talks to you, I can feel tons of warmth and love. I know he may not express it, but I just see it for some reason, it may not come out of his mouth, but it very evident in his eyes and his expression, do you see this too? He seems very genuine. I loved hearing the different perspectives, its like digging deep into who you guys really are, and I immensely enjoyed it. MORE VIDEOS LIKE THIS!!!!

@Suedetussy

4 жыл бұрын

I totally agree with you in every point. I can only add that through this comparison between these two introverted, intuitove and feeling oriented brothers i see even more clearly the differnce between J and P. Now i understand why some people don‘t see that i‘m a feeling person because like Ren i articulate my emotions very precisely, whereas the brother doesn’t analyze them (until asked to do so), but instead feels them so much that he radiates them.

@stephanylouw9823

3 жыл бұрын

I agree too on all, especially the dreamy part ;)

Thanks for sharing! I have such an affinity for INFPs yet I feel as if every natural reaction to me ends up yielding the opposite of what they need. I hope one day I can express and be able to get closer, but in some ways I feel like that's contradictory to what an INFP wants.... they're even more private than I (an INFJ) and that's shocking. I'm private but I get very close to my inner circle and share everything. For me sharing experiences with someone feels so right. In my understanding, an INFP wants experiences but individually. Also, I always find it humorous when an infp calls an infj more selfish given that fi doms are usually the most self-centered in life perspective. I don’t mean that to take a negative connotation, I’ve just noticed their fi dom makes them heavily self conscious and in feeling overload so they’re very centered in their internal state. Which makes sense. I’m confused how INFJs can come across solipsistic. I’m often putting my own happiness on the line for objective happiness first, it sucks!

@brandonwilliams3777

5 жыл бұрын

Infps and infjs use completely different functions. Which says a lot

@rpaafourever7908

5 жыл бұрын

INFPs can regard INFJs as being selfish, because the end result is always that INFPs sacrifice more in action. INFJs can *feel* like they are being selfless but what they actually *do* for someone, almost always says something else. While INFPs are more self conscious, they are also capable of self sacrifice for a specific person (who is close to them) in tangible ways, wheres INFJs are more consciously aware about self preservation so do tend to withdraw more. INFJs also seem (to the INFP) to care more for social harmony rather than empathizing with someone in particular. The reality is that both are selfish and selfless in their own ways.

@rainiaspace

Жыл бұрын

@@rpaafourever7908 agree. this is what I am always confused, I was mistyped to be INFJ though many test I take always showed I am INFJ I realize I feel more connected to INFP description on cognitive functions. the thing is I AM VERY SELF-SACRIFE, I adjust and accommodate my feeling to the person I talk to, sometimes I lose the sense of identity because I adjusted to the other person so much, BUT it only happens to select fews and it's in the sense win win situation, if they're being nice to me or if that person I admire deeply or having special connection with. it's very subjective to me.

I have just recently identified as an INFP rather than an INFJ. As an INFP he keeps a diary and as an INFJ you keep a philosophical notebook. That struck me as forcefully because whenever I write for myself it is a diary to explore and clarify myself and others.

I would love to see more interactions between the two of you. Maybe if you add subtitles it will make the social dynamic more natural and allow an uninterrupted conversation. I wouldn't mind subtitles 😄

You two are fascinating. I want to know more about both of you. Do u both live in France or where do u both live. Love u Ren. Ur very sincere and captivating. U come off so caring about ur brother also. I am not close to anyone in my family, so toxic . I’ve been estranged for very good reasons I won’t go into here . Ur so fortunate u have a brother u can be close to and actually talk about relevant things. Happy new year to both of you. 👍🏻👍🏻❤️❤️❤️❤️🎊🎆🎈🥂

I'm late to the party, but thought I'd say I really enjoyed both of your perspectives & willingness to open up and share. I hope you do this again!

I absolutely love this video. I have an INFP younger sister and she is so similar to your brother. We talk in a very abstract way all the time and sometimes we don't make any sense to outsiders. And in the terms of feelings. I am better at expressing my feelings but I think my sister is better at feeling them? If that makes sense. I find that I realize what I am feeling once I express them and put them into thoughts and words. Otherwise I kinda push it away and ignore them. My sister on the other hand has a lot in the inside and might sometimes want to share them with me but most of the time it is a personal thing for her, a secret meant to be only hers. We used to fight about that, because I always want to talk about what I discovered or am feeling and my sister does not want to be pressurized into. What's funny is that my sister is an ambivert and is much more expressive than me around others and I a lot more drained. It's kind of a contradiction because I feel more extroverted around her and vice versa. We both love to talk with each other but we can also drain each other very quickly. I found that taking a few breaks from each other makes us more fonder and re-energized haha

That was such a lovely conversation!!! Loved hearing your brother speak!

absolutely beautiful. i really enjoyed this. thank you for sharing. Fe vs Fi. Also French is such a beautiful language, smh I didn't pay more attention in my French classes.

Your brother has such a poetic way of expressing himself, thanks so much for making me understand the infp (outside of theory). As well as bringing your brother, and yourself for making such a nice video.

Thank you for bringing your brother along. It was really sweet listening to you guys converse in your language and observe both of you knowing you are related. Well played, Ren! The topic was very interesting. I am enjoying your videos more and more and I am starting to think that an INFJ really grows on you. Never mind appearance, but one gets used to the 'good' vibe on a deep level. Much more so, than I think one would appreciate any other type. I am talking in circles ha ha, because I am married ^_^ What I am saying is, you are lovable. But to make it less embarrassing for me, I think of it as how others would perceive me as an INFJ. So in a sense, it's a self praise. :D That makes it OK.

Watching your interactions is wonderful. It helps me understand the differences and similarities between me, INFJ, and my husband, who is INFP.

You and Kevin are my new best friends! Some of what you both said was so spot on that I had to pause the video in order to think about it and process it for a few minutes. I was so stunned by the similarities, and am so used to being literally the only one that has these thoughts and feelings that I’ve learned very well to act “normal” with other people, and find myself isolating more and more the older I get, which is sad really. I laughed out loud many times during your conversation- most especially at Kevin’s world, his insights, and his thoughts. I identify greatly with both of you, however, Kevin’s mannerisms such as eye movements and the mischievous smile he has are definitely close to mine. I feel like I have two brothers in my tribe now instead of feeling so alone!! THANK YOU for sharing your “weirdness”! I LOVE IT!!!

@Kaktuskastl

Жыл бұрын

It's so lovely to read how you're diving into the persons behind this interview. especially for me doing this is the reason why i'm spending too much time with such interviews. people say that this is not real life. well, that maybe correct but if i would know such special kinds of people in real life i wouldn't spend that much time with youtube.

Thank you! most interesting to see your simalairities as brothers! It shows even better the type differences truly insightful!!

Adorable brothers‼️👍 And such a fun and interesting interview! The intense emotions of the INFJ came through in Kevin’s remark on how he filters them more. INFJ’s take on the feelings of others which makes everything more I tense and spontaneous especially when interacting with others. Great video‼️👍

I'm loving this because I'm also learning French! Parfait! Merci beaucoup.

I am an INFJ and like your channel. I recently had my youngest son take the test and he is an INFP. I was floored. Out of all my boys he has been the hardest to raise and we seem to struggle at every turn. We do connect on literature and film and in discussing big ideas. I am curious now to know not only the basic differences in personality but what affect position in life has. He is just starting out and I am solidly middle age! To hear you and your brother talk was wonderful. Happy New Year and keep up the good work!

@RensRoom

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Cheryl, thanks for your comment! I am glad you enjoyed the video and my channel in general :) Happy New Year to you!

@SuffertheFools

5 жыл бұрын

As an INFP, it doesn't surprise me when I read comments or hear about INFJs and INFPs not getting along all the time. People expect our types to really get along, but there are definitely differences that can cause conflict. For example, I believe my sister is an INFJ, and we can only really take each other in small doses because of differences in communication style. She is way more expressive than I am, and cares more about external harmony. She tends to find my preferences threatening because when I do state them I am pretty firm, where as she likes to keep an open mind about everything and tends to feel uncomfortable about strong preferences and boundaries. This also makes it harder for her to cut communication with people even if she doesn't really get along with them. When I suggest to her that it might be time to cut communication with people because of problematic behaviors, she takes that as an insult. And she needs validation for her decisions, where as I know what I want to do or not do before I state my decisions to others. These types of differences can cause alot of arguments but I've learned to just say "We'll have to agree to disagree" and just move on.

I think like your brother also. I don’t bother sharing important things until I gather enough information on the person. I have tons of journals/diaries that I’ve NEVER SHARED AND NEVER WILL. My perceptions philosophy u name it , I don’t share because no one will get it. I live in my head totally. I’m thinking and I’ve thought before that I might be INFP.

I journal about how to actualize my dream. The steps needed. My thoughts or stream of consciousness. My introspection of so many things. Some creative stories of abstract and symbolic nature. When I write about my emotions I write some thing like I am grateful for... I feel deep love for humanity. I feel calm and at peace and I love it. I don't have this wide range of emotions , when I am on my own.

@dr.hebagadallahclinicalpha9871

5 жыл бұрын

You both are amazing.

Thank you, Ren! After watching this video, I know for sure that I'm an INFJ. I've taken the MBTI test many, many times... and I always get INFJ-OR-INFP. Now... it's settled. I was beginning to think I'd never know for certain. Now subscribed! :)

Great video. Being infp I relate so thanks for making it. Have a good day. Peace.

This was a very insightful video, great job!

I really loved this video. Very interesting to see two brothers and also you translating from French to English!

@RensRoom

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! 😃

Enjoyed your conversation very much. I too am primarily INFP but with INFJ aspects. I am originally from Erik Thor's channel, drawn here after your collaboration because I'm trying to figure out the dichotomy. This discussion was quite useful in helping me to understand my mixed feelings.

@RensRoom

2 жыл бұрын

Glad this helped, Rick :)

Merci, Ren and Kevin for talking together. Blessings

@RensRoom

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Tracy! Have you been well?

This was great. Would love to see more interactions and seemed very hepful in understanding. Both of you are very intriguing and informative on physical/emotional displays of this topic.. Not just a book/research of literary understanding is wonderful.. Great Great video..

This was beautiful, I so enjoyed it. I think your brother sees our INFJ traits very clearly. His descriptions are accurate. I am INFJ and my daughter is INFP. Similar conversations!

@Suedetussy

4 жыл бұрын

True, the brother, who seems so dreamy and otherworldly sees his brother very clearly. It‘s cute. They’re so cute together.

Honestly.. I hear a lot of Se for an INFP. Mainly because he seems to have a lot of appreciation for aesthetics, so basically how the world 'looks'. An INFP is more like an INFJ in the sense that we want to understand the world in general. In my opinion it's a common misconception also that INFP's only care about the world from their personal perspective (we value Ne very strongly after all). ISFP's tend to be more self centered generally. But that's what makes them such great artist (musicians, painters, writers), better than INFP's i think. I can see how third slot Ni can look like an INFP. But i think looking at the function that's being ignored (blindspot) is usually a better way too tell how to separate the types. I see a lot of Se in him, but no Ne interest at all. Also i believe that the MBTI test is somewhat biased against sensors unfortunately. Which i don't think is fair. I don't wanna be just another 'KZread smartass' who thinks he knows better. Just wanna share my thoughts because i think ISFP's are often mistaken for INFP's. Which creates stereotypes that are often not beneficial for both types.

@RensRoom

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe my brother's Ne doesn't come across in this video, but it is definitely very present in general. He has a great variety of interests, much more than myself. Also, he recently moved into a new apartment, and left it practically empty for 2 months because he was immersed in ideas that he was putting to writing. He has only carefully decorated it more recently. That would never happen with an ISFP. He's a quintessential INFP, albeit one that has appreciation for some "Se" things, I guess.

@sdgfsdfsdf1820

5 жыл бұрын

@@RensRoom ok

@D3tyHuff

5 жыл бұрын

Ren's Room It would actually happen to ISFPs more so than INFPs. The former tend to get obsessed with their art (art being a subjective term that they use in this case, not art in general). In order to distinguish between the IFPs it is necessary to look at wether he is affiliative or pragmatic (does he go with societal norms or does he tend to rebel?). In this video he is definitely seems like an ISFP, but it’s not enough data to make a decision about his type.

@mynameisnotavailablehere

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with you. He has a lot of Se and Ni as well

@abdulrahmanrashad7225

2 жыл бұрын

I have actually met a lot of ISFP and no that is not how ISFP act they tend to have this weird smile and always want to act like they understand everything infp have a lot of similarities with the ISFP, it is just that Infp would be more often appreciative around INFJ because infj wouldn't make fun of how they feel so they would show them their Fi more than the their Ne

9:12 Interesting distinction... I too have a notebook filled with philosophical pondering and notes on story ideas, but I've never felt the need for a diary. I also type as an INFJ, so it's good to know there's some consistency there. :)

@RensRoom

5 жыл бұрын

Yep, I am the exact same as you! ;)

When I'm fully immersed in the. " Absract Realm " of Ni, the external world falls into the background and becomes blurry .... This was a very interesting and enlightening video ! I'm eternally curious about the inner - world of Infps and Kevin expressed himself very well ! He seems like he is a well - intergrated personality - very self - aware, which IMO is a hallmark of Fi ! The users of this function, are, at all times in touch with their feelings and emotions ! And can explain them in - depth. I have noticed this skill with every Fi user that I have conversed with ! Not so with me ! I either have to express myself either through the medium of wrting , or discussing my feelings with a trusted person, in order to tap the feeling part of my consiousness....

I love it! I grew up with an INFP sibling, too, my sister who is just one year younger than I.

I appreciate how you articulate your French. As a non-native speaker (if at all), I could understand a good percentage of what you were saying or asking in French.

Interesting discussion and dialouge. And a good French lesson!

Woahhh that was so interesting. I came here because I needed help to be sure, but I ended up watching out of sole interest!

AGAIN, soo Nice to see how you Care about Kevin. Great to see you Both. Oh I always wished to have a brother so bad.....but Unfortunatelly die to Rhesus factor incompatability back then. My parents were not allowed to have more kids. Indeed there are differences with Kevin,s personality. But there is also some kind.of overlap between you. Made me some kind of emotional to see you get along so well....Just awesome GUYZ......could listen to you for hours on end, so interesting...💙 Hans

@RensRoom

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot Hans :)

There's a beautiful description at the bottom of page 14 if Gifts Differing, which, as an INFP explains pretty much how I do everything. The extravert's General is the one outside the tent controlling everything, while his Aides stand guard. The Introvert's General stays inside the tent attending to the important matters, while his Aides are the first person you meet as they defend off interruptions and distract people. They only let those who are important to us in the tent❤️

This is very like me & my sister. I'm INFJ and my sister is INFP. Neither of us have ever kept a notebook seriously like that, we can't take it seriously. But my sister definitely keeps things in in the the sense that when she's sad/mad enough to cry or something, she won't explain anything to others. I can be more expressive though & prefer to explain my feelings if someone doesn't understand why they affected me.

Très bel interview, les gars. Et quelle joie de voir une telle amitié entre deux frères qui sont INFP et INFJ (moi qui est INFP et ma meilleure amie “ame soeur” une INFJ)… je vois pas mal de points en commun dans votre dynamique et la notre. bravo!!

Loved the difference in your facial expression. Your brother seem to be very relax and going with the flow of your needing to present a very well done and informative post. Which you did brilliantly. Are Infj always so intense in presenting their ideas or just part of who we are?

@ChantelStays

5 жыл бұрын

Dianna Rowlands I feel like infj facial expressions can be very intense, very extroverted ... it’s because it’s like battling a beast to get everything out properly in human words haha, it’s also because we are constantly picking up on the nuances of people and surrounding though Ni and Se and then trying to adapt our body language through our desire of interpersonal harmony (Fe) some people say infj are stoic but that is only when we are alone and thinking in my opinion, our hands and face really become active when engaged in conversation, why many think Infj are extroverts. My sister is Infp and is also so so chill and just has this softness to her.

2:36 HAHA as an INFP I saw myself in him as he gazed into an oblivion of nothingness

@RensRoom

4 жыл бұрын

Kevin has that ability for oblivious gazes alright! Haha

C'est super intéressant et instructif. En gros c'est moi INFJ et ma collègue INFP. Je lui ai fait un classeur avec mes notes sur le MBTI et sa personnalité. Mais à cause du Te en 4e fonction, je pense qu'elle ne sera juste intéressée qu'en surface (pas envie de réfléchir XD) Elle a cru que j'avais les dons de voyante XD, je lui ai expliqué qu'on avait juste toutes les deux de l'intuition. Pas facile à expliquer pour ne pas passer comme quelqu'un de bizarre, surtout qu'elle passe très vite d'une idée à une autre, ou d'une action à une autre. Dans ce que ton frère dit par rapport aux émotions : On distingue clairement le Fi du INFP et le Fe du INFJ, et on comprend mieux la différence. e : spontané, extériorisé / i : besoin d'y réfléchir avant, plus profond et intériorisé. C'est drôle et fascinant les points communs que partagent les personnes ayant la même personnalité. Je n'ai jamais eu de journal intime non plus, bien que j'ai toujours énormément penser, et déjà eu l'idée d'écrire. J'ai pas mal écrit il y a quelques mois durant ma dépression et anxiété, pour m'aider moi-même avec le psychologue. Bien que le psychologue ne m'a aidé autant que je le voulais (J'ai plus eu l'impression que c'était moi qui lui apprenait des choses) KZread et moi même m'ont bien plus aidé (les chaines "Psych2Go" et "Frank James") J'ai découvert que j'étais INFJ et le MBTI à ce moment là, et c'est ce qu'il m'a le plus aider, de savoir qu'il y avait d'autres personnes comme moi, et que mes décisions et manière de voir les choses n'étaient pas aussi bizarres que ça. Que c'est normal que je fonctionne comme cela. Juste des papiers, cahiers, avec des notes psychologies à propos du MBTI, psychologie, philosophie, dessins, idées. Le plus souvent : des notes par ci par là. J'arrive assez facilement à être détaché du monde concret, ça peut paraitre effrayant XD. D'autres (peut être) points communs et différences : _ On pense plus aux autres qu'à nous même en général, on veut aider les autres : Moi INFJ je veux que les gens aillent bien avec leur santé mentale, en apportant des conseils plutôt abstraits, psychologiques. Veux que les gens soient heureux, sains, biens avec eux-mêmes, en bonne santé mentale surtout. _ elle INFP apporte de' l'aide physique (nourriture, objets, choses) aux autres, qui à tout donner aux autres et rien garder pour elle, une énorme coeur. _ les deux ont une très bonne intuition : moi INFJ plus concernant des faits/situations/choses : quel évènement est suceptible de se produire ? elle INFP plus concernant les personnes : ce qu'il va se passer à cette personne dans le futur ? _ INFJ quasi jamais en retard, INFP : quasi toujours en retard. _ INFJ : ne perds quasi jamais ses affaires, INFP : perds ses affaires, ne sait plus où il a laisser ses clefs par exemple. INFP perds plus la tête que INFJ, avec sa nature "Go with the flow". C'est drôle d'avoir Se en 4e fonctions, et d'avoir une collègue INFP lui dire : tu as bien les pieds sur terre. _ Des soucis de sommeil : Plus jeune, je mettais toujours au moins 1h voire 2h pour m'endormir, ça va bien mieux maintenant. Elle : insomniaque, elle ne peut pas dormir sans somnifère. _ On pense que le monde pourrait être mieux, on adore les animaux, limite plus que les humains. On sait faire le tri dans les personnes à côtoyer ou non. _ Elle est très influençable, alors que moi beaucoup moins, voire pas. J'ai pu déterminer les types de mes parents, mais je n'ai toujours pas identifié celui de mon frère. Grâce à vous, je peux procéder par élimination, et sais maintenant que mon frère a Fi dans ses fonctions et pas Fe.

@NightCloudI

8 ай бұрын

Am I the only INFJ who is always late? I agree with everything you wrote about my type and I did a lot of research and I know that I'm an INFJ. I hate being late, but I do it all the time.. 😅

What you brother said about something you have that he doesn’t is actually a INFJ thing sometimes we become too focus in one task that we forget about everything around it its kinda like the one tree vs forest. This can come in handy sometimes but can also be bad sometimes we even neglect are selfs too thats why we see INFJ forget about there health and to take a step back to relax. Very interesting video :)✨✨✨

Watching the English subtitles try to translate his French is hilarious. Great video by the way.

Just from watching. Your brother projected his own emotions more. His smile was infectious. I'm definitely an INFJ though. I could relate to your body language and his description of you.

@RensRoom

5 жыл бұрын

This is a very interesting insight, thank you. I'd be very curious to know more about why you thought Kevin projected his emotions more. I think I agree with you but I don't know how to put it into words. He's less emotionally expressive but more emotionally 'himself', or something, I think.

@sapphirus777

5 жыл бұрын

@@RensRoom It wasn't intended as an insult to you. You do a much better job that I can talking to a camera(rather than a person). I was just looking for signs of Fi vs Fe in your body language. I've noticed many INFJs struggle talking to a camera because you can't see your audience. Kevin looked into the lens more as he was expressing his emotions. He did seem shy, but I felt it more from him. Another way I could put it, is it felt more personal from him vs you feeling more professional.

@RensRoom

5 жыл бұрын

@@sapphirus777 No insult taken at all! Thanks again for your insight :) do you make videos yourself?

@sapphirus777

5 жыл бұрын

@@RensRoom Not for a long time.

@julial.r.5383

Жыл бұрын

I agree with you, and I don't think it's all about looking at the camera (although that was true). It's like without words, the brother expressed his emotions via facial expressions. Maybe because of Fi? Fe tries to understand and verbalize his emotions, and looks into the reaction of the other people, trying to connect and understand their emotions in return. Therefore the focus in not inwards (own emotions) (Fi) but outwards (Fe), and a bit of the own emotions might be lost or blends in with the surrounding emotions and feelings of others. Maybe 😅

C'était très divertissant de les voir et de contraster vos caractéristiques. Je suis entre l'INFJ ou l'INFP et votre vidéo m'a donné quelques indices. Je vous remercie.

Intéressant comme vidéo ! Je me considère comme une INFP et j'ai une soeur jumelle qui pense être INFJ. Mais cela ne l'empêche pas d'être sensible à la beauté et d'avoir une sensibilité artistique comme moi. Les différences se voient plus dans la capacité à se projeter dans le temps et à le gérer, et aussi dans la manière de gérer les émotions. Mais bizarrement à l'époque où je jouais de la musique en public, j'étais plus expressive que ma soeur.

The difficult part to distinguish is both INFP and INFJ want to accommodate and adjust to other personality, sometimes to the point where they lose the sense of identity. the difference is as an INFP when I prioritize their feeling over mine, it is more reason based. I want harmony and it is because I am too sensitive I am afraid that others might attack me if I don't handle them carefully. also I notice, it should always align with how much respect I have for that person, more one on one, and depends if they deserve it or not. I am very self sacrificial to the person whom I think is not a threat to me. for INFJ I notice they are more general to everyone they meet, even the person they don't like they still adjust themselves (unless violated maybe they doorslam you) and it's very carefully act out (a bit inauthentic but naturally make people comfortable, INFP is not natural doing this because they care so much about authenticity). INFJs prioritize other because they want harmony (same) but the intention is direct not in subjective manners, it's on the objective manners, (how is actually they feel, what their need, do I hurt their feeling, it's someone else feeling oriented), what others feel is what INFJs feel. if they sense someone's feeling need the certain type of act, INFJ unconsciously act adjusting to their need. let's combine with the pairing functions as for INFP an Fi users you have Te, Te cares what others THINK about themselves, so they are more on what OTHERS VIEW of them not what OTHERS FEEL of them "competency seeking type of people" (let's be honest). they can be excellent at that if they want it though. as for INFJ, Fe users have Ti, they don't care what others THINK about themselves as long as they can meet others feeling need, they're more how OTHERS FEEL because of them not what OTHERS THINK VIEW of them (Value seeking type of people). and INFJ too can borrow other's value to be their value and adopt it as theirs. another point is INFJ and INFP both love analyzing, this is the misconception why I was mistyped as INFJ all the time, because I do too, love psychology, I too dig deep philosophy and theology, but guess what, it always and will always touch my value or sense of me, I learn psychology because I am interested what my type is, my close friends and my love ones, INFJ on the other hand interested psychology for human in General not personal, I do dig down abou theology because I want to compare whether my religion, my belief is really truth, not in general and unattached like INFJ, I JUST REALIZED everything I do have sense of me. while INFJ has a lot more on their inner ideas, to understand more about this, I found Fi and NI can be misleading in some way, INFP Fi love to process information deeply, appear to be like INFJ who loves delves into complicated idea deeply Ni, but the root is different, INFJ can advance single information they get by adding nuance, details, mysteriously completing imagination about that information (provision to future even it's not happening yet) BUT THEY STILL NOT MAKING ASSESMENT or PROCESSING that information. they just obtaining that information intensely. while INFP, when they get information, it is the same way like INFJ which is in the form of Nuance along with motives and hidden pattern, but it is short and not provision to future, we're short at obtaining information, BUT we directly process it with our complex dense and intense value processing system which is called feeling, is it align with the value based judgement of previous pattern, we feel it, if it's right or wrong, based on how we imagine ourself in that situation. so for us INFP it's gonna be a lot easier to explain to someone about our conclusion because we know how to get it. while INFJ it's difficult for them to explain to someone since the idea itself is too complicated and intense to be put into words.

I need to watch again. I do remember you have very distinct differences.

I just happened upon this video in mbti search. I've never watched your channel before so didn't know which was which between you two in mbti.... but the minute you started talking, I knew who was infp because his hands immediately went to his face, then he dropped them, then they went again. That fidgety thing is v Infp. Overall your brother touches his face more than you do in the video. I'm infp too 🙂 my parents had the hardest time trying to get me to keep my hands still. I still can never do it.🤷🏽‍♀️

I love this! You guys are fascinating!😊 Happy new year! Are you familiar with typing people via microexpressions? If so, what do you think about it?

The biggest difference visible from the very first start is INFJ staring and gazing, and INFP wandering around with eyes.

If you watch this video with the subtitles on it's pretty hilarious. I feel the more I learn about INFJ's and INFP's the more I am confused about which one I am. I keep a bunch of different journals on various subjects and a personal diary. Interesting video.

Thank you for this! I am starting to identifyaa bit more with INFP, but I'm gonna have to explore the differences.

Hello! Glad to see INTerest in MBTI theory. It's been a long road for me. I'm INTJ btw. Nice to meet your brother. I'm not sure if either of you are typed correctly! Your brother has a very dreamy look to his eyes and a thoughtful way of expressing himself. Did you know he actually looks more like an INFJ because they have huge eyes?? Now, onto you whom thinks he's an INFJ..I think it's possible you are an INTJ. YOU describe Ni correctly but I haven't delved into your videos to see which fx you have studied yet. I think you should read up on all the fxs. Choose only 4, the ones that are most similar to you. That's a great start into accurately identifying yourself. When I got here around 2010, there was nothing anywhere. Things are better now. I'm telling you when you are studying the fxs according to Jung and Freud ( Freud is incomplete, I find), you will which fxs you use, and which you do not! The way your brother describes you is like myself, hyperfocused on something I'm interested in, the world falls behind. I could care less about the mess around me. Laughingly, the thing that sticks out the most about you is your easy ability to speak!! That's The!! Guess what?? INFJ has no TE! Now, what do you say?

If you watch it with no sound you can tell a huge difference! Its crazy. Still trying to figure out what I am because I feel like I am both of you mixed up.

Thanks for not plagiarising someone else's video on the subject of INFP vs INFJ, there are plenty that have already been booted up fifty times along with all the mistakes of the original publisher.

With INFJ it's always a case that if we are using too much of our introverted thinking we tend to forget our surroundings including people. When I do this I feel guilty afterwards because I it's quite hard for people to connect with me when I'm spending too much time in my internal world. I'm fascinated to know that another INFJ has the same experience.

So this is what INFPs are like in person? I've never met an INFP in real life so the dynamic between you two as an NFJ and INFP is interesting.

@RensRoom

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I would say that this is one example of INFP, yes. But there are probably lots of different kinds of INFP :)

@Suedetussy

4 жыл бұрын

My best friend is an INFP and i see her so much in Kevin. I understand her much better now. What freaked me out was the diary thing (i never understood this about her, but now i see: INFP thing): like Kevin she has a diary, but unlike me (and Ren) it‘s not a book to keep some abstract thoughts and observations. She always admires me for being able to put my thoughts into words. Her diary is a sketch book with drawings of her emotions. I never understood what she got out of this. Now i do. Thanks for the video.

Interesting video. I can see that Fi Dom thing from your brother. 👍🏻

@RensRoom

5 жыл бұрын

Hehe yeah, it's quite visible isn't it :)

This was very interesting. Thanks

I can relate to your brother but not to every degree tho I am an INFP myself. Maybe there's difference for each of us despite being similar :) About sharing though, I am one of the chatty INFPs that others even mistook me for being an extrovert. But now that I think of it, I only share a certain part of myself to them, each depending to the level of trust we share and the common grounds we have. I give the impression I'm opening myself up but that's like the tip of the iceberg. I keep journals, too, as I like to record what I learned and realized today more than what truly happened. Not so heavy in magnifying my feelings to the point of writing it down cause I understand what I feel on the get go and could even explain why I feel it unless it gets TOO MUCH - too painful, too exhilarated, too anxious, etc. Cause then the feeling would be too much for me to keep I could at least share it in words (thru pen and paper of course) so I don't get too overwhelmed. A feeling too great is part of my highlight reel, whether it be a good one or bad lol but yea, I keep a philosophical journal too for my internal musings and for when spontaneity kicks in. I guess one thing INFJs and INFPs will always have in common is the desire to grow/improve as a person 😊

@RensRoom

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your precious insight! In what way would you not relate to my brother, if you don't mind sharing?

Oh wow you completely surprised me with your French. I had no clue with your accent (and I actually speak French!! It’s practically my first language, coming from Montreal.) Why do you sound like you have an Irish accent?

I’m an infj, with an infp sister.

We need more videos of this !!!

I am an INFP too. Those eyes are very common on INFPs 😂❤❤❤

This was awesome!

This was a very interesting topic; I enjoyed the video and look forward to your brother joining you again. I’m an INFJ and I don’t keep a journal or diary, but I have been trying to write down daily thoughts and ideas in order to work on my neglected creative writing interest. I’m also very quick to express emotion. One way I seem to relate to your brother more than to you is in the subject of beauty. This is extremely important to me to put it very mildly. I wonder if it’s only beauty in your surroundings that you are less interested in than your brother, or is it all forms of beauty that he values more highly than you?

@baaf777

5 жыл бұрын

Most INFJ's seem to prefer the beauty of their inner world...

@RensRoom

5 жыл бұрын

Very well put, Baaf!

@chasingtheunknown3763

5 жыл бұрын

Se in the stack makes me want to own quality beautiful things and indulge in sensory experiences :)

@stephanieokkay

5 жыл бұрын

Chasing theUnknown I completely relate to your comment. I am especially moved by beauty in literature, music, science and nature. I’m not good at noticing my surroundings in a practical way or being observant of what’s happening around me, yet if I’m not completely in my mind, I’ll be the one staring at the clouds or examining the flowers. :)

@suzanne9821

5 жыл бұрын

I've definitely read in one book(god knows which one) about how infjs combination of Ni and Se gives them a knack for spotting(and appreciating) high quality items and it actually described how the infj would put a great amount of effort into say decorating their house to be it's most beautiful. So not sure how that would all play in here, I find mbti theory contradicts itself all the time.(depending on which individual is presenting it)

I've never heard someone else articulate the idea of feelings losing intensity by putting them into words. After my Mom passed away I would at times refrain from communicating what I was feeling because it felt like the emotion would be diminished by condensing it into words.

I feel robbed if someone looks into my journal 📔, if I become what is needed I’ll give you , but don’t look into my world 🌎

I wouldn’t be so quick to type his brother as an Se user just because of his attention to aesthetics. It can easily be a result of him being an Enneagram 4 which is all about being sensitive to the beauty and aesthetics of everything.

@RensRoom

5 жыл бұрын

Pretty much nailed it :)

What a cute brother! Hello from Denmark.

Fun watching you both utilize together your intuitive processes. Which one of you is older?

@RensRoom

4 жыл бұрын

I am :) I’m 33 and Kevin is 29 (30 next month).

Oh si contente de trouver une video en francais ! Je pensais que vous etiez anglophones xD

I loved your video! Infj here with a question: Did your brother find it funny to pronounce the H in "Hi"? He kinda laughed a little, and I thought it was funny that he found it funny :)

You guys are cuuuute ❤

You guys are so cute. I love ❤️ this. So Ren u retook the test so u still came out INFJ I’m assuming because I had to leave before u finished.

lmao look at that INFJ stare.

Oh this was so interestin nd so compelling thankyou both of you I coyld indentify with INFP traits as well as INFJ asthetics mean just as much to me andaffect all my world inner and outer ugly suroundings cause progressive malfunction in me. Thank you.

Very interesting video, thanks

Super j'ai adoré ! Bonne année 2019 ! Venant du Québec

This was interesting. I'm INFJ, my 3 sisters are INFP.

The eyes are different. The eyes says it all. I'm an infj too. ❤️

It's interesting how he describes the Ni-Se in you and the 3rd function Fi-Si in himself. Is he aware of the Jungian cognitive functions?

This is interesting, as I'm an INFP and my brother is an INFJ. I wonder if there's a pattern there..

I don't know if this is an infp thing but I have a diary too otherwise I have the feeling as if my head explodes by all thoughts and things because sometimes it's so much in my head I am not able to share or just to process through. Too much ways my mind walks at once. It's a lot, I feel old 🤣 Ooooh I feel sometimes autistic too. Focusing is hard but when I do I don't even realize people talk to me. But I get distracted easily for example people talk next to me. I only can agree on everything ur brother said. As far as cognitive functions go and processing and seeing the world I only can say, yes that's exactly how I act and feel. He explained it very well. It's so nice realizing that I am a normal breathing individual and that is completely fine to be as I am. My partner is infj so I learned a lot about infj behavior and cognitive function too in order to make sure to meet the right way of communication with him. It's very important to me that we both feel understood and cherished. It's not like we have a difficult relationship but I think it's never wrong trying to see the world through someone elses eyes to support them and be a help in their daily struggles.

When I'm doing something, it's as if the world does not exist. 🤓