"take your fifth underground sea and write batterskull on it"

@atlys258

3 жыл бұрын

Nahh, write Scabland.

"You need to buy both to catch all the Pokémon." Pretty accurate description of the current gaming market.

@ThePhiRexian

5 жыл бұрын

Okay but OG Red and Blue did that too. And.. practically all new pkmn releases

@ryanmurphy9355

5 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhiRexian This is not a critique of Pokemon.

@Shenaldrac

5 жыл бұрын

I don't know any current game franchise aside from pokemon that does this, so... not sure what you mean. I mean it's terrible that Pokemon still does this, don't get me wrong, I'm astounded that it's been over 20 years and they still haven't ditched this outdated game design, but it's hardly an accurate description fo the overall video game industry/market.

@ryanmurphy9355

5 жыл бұрын

@@Shenaldrac you may be reading this too deep. All I'm saying is that many current games force you to pay extra money for full, or extra content - not even considering the pay to win market. Not literally saying you have to buy two versions of a specific game like Pokemon - that in and of itself may not be a bad thing.

@Shenaldrac

5 жыл бұрын

@@ryanmurphy9355 Oh, yeah I took what you were saying literally. Since after Pokemon was initially released, you did see a fair number of games copying that "one for the price of two" model but it thankfully died out fairly quick.

another good example was imperial recruiter. there was 2 printings (og and promo) both sat at 200$ and then it got a reprint. the price fluctuated between 180-200 for the 2 old printings while the new one sat at 30$. granted that card price recently went down a bit but then again everything has gone down lately.

I own nearly the entire Reserved List (I miss Bazaars, Workshop, Tabernacle, Drop of Honey, Candelabra, Jihad, and Gauntlet of Might). I "only" have 33 duals. I play Old School and Legacy. I still want that stupid Reserved List to be abolished. Legacy is on Life support where I live (France). I want players to play with at sanctioned events, not more and more expensive cardboard. On the other hand, Old School is on the rise, especially with the CE/IE (we were 92 at Alpha Castle I believe?).

@andrewshewan4551

5 жыл бұрын

Is it Swedish Old School or EC 93/94?

@mantislazuli

5 жыл бұрын

At the Alpha Castle event? It was EC with a few differences in the restricted list.

@krishnadhulipati9152

5 жыл бұрын

Another RL card owner chiming in. Fuck the RL. I bought my cards to play with them.

@Welverin

5 жыл бұрын

I don't own a lot of expensive RL cards, but I'd be perfectly fine with the ones I do own dropping in price if they got reprinted, though I don't think that would actually happen.

@shatzinorris1417

5 жыл бұрын

We're 5 18-19 years old friends who would like to play legacy or cEDH or French, here in Paris. But we can't, because apart from apart from my friend who inherited two duals, we don't have the manabase. Nor the reserved cool comba cards. :(

Legacy is also significantly less expensive on MTGO, and you don't have to worry about not having someone to play with.

@WayoftheFerret

3 жыл бұрын

and it is 100% free on Cockatrice, but there are assholes on Cockatrice.

You got me all excited, Prof, saying that New Vegas was on Switch and I'm sad now.

What I love in legacy is land decks are a thing. I wish Modern had some strong land decks.

@KS-ui4hi

5 жыл бұрын

URZATRON the glorious deck

@chrisperciavalle3142

5 жыл бұрын

Tron and amulet aren't really land decks though. They're ramp decks. I think by Land decks he means decks that use lands for something other than Mana. Dark depths, maze of ith, Tabernacle, wasteland, rishadan port, bojuka bog, tranquil thicket. That kind of stuff.

@grasshopper1153

5 жыл бұрын

@@chrisperciavalle3142 Yes, I'm talking about using lands for more than just ramp - lands that have utility. I'm thinking of something along the lines of this www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/1120441#paper or decks that do landfall triggers like this www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/against-the-odds-abzan-thran-fall-modern. Basically decks where you are trying to get to lands for effects other than ramping. So you get what I mean Chris. Thanks.

The Batterskull bit had my dying. I actually received a Snapcaster Mage with “BSKULL” written on the back with permanent marker once from an online seller.

i have to admit, prof and vince, this was helpful for me. as a casual magic player since '95 who'se had to sell his collection to help with other life complications, this chat has helped me believe that at some point down the road, i might jump into legacy at some point, play with the old spells i used to know and love, the way i used to in school. thank you for continuing to deliver such quality content guys.

I love watching legacy, i don't play it because i'm poor and i live in a poor country (Brazil), almost nobody here can afford a legacy deck (especially on the region i live), even if I could afford a deck, I would have to travel to another state to play

@lucianosilveira9859

5 жыл бұрын

Olá Lucas, de onde você é? Eu tive dificuldade para jogar por anos no Rio de Janeiro, mas ano passado encontrei um grupo que joga toda semana, tem vezes que tem mais de 50 pessoas! Apesar de que ainda assim é difícil de ir, pois é relativamente longe da parte miserável do Rio onde moro, mas fico feliz de poder ir de vez e quando. Talvez tenha algum grupo no seu estado e você não saiba, assim como eu não soube por muito tempo que tinha um grupo tão regular aqui no Rio, e mesmo que não tenha um grupo ai você pode procurar algumas pessoas e organizar você mesmo. Quanto ao custo, da para montar vários decks bem baratos, o meu primeiro deck foi um burn com pouquíssimas cartas realmente boas, a uns 10 anos atras gastei cerca de R$15,00 na base "pronta" que encontrei em uma loja e mais uns R$15,00 comprando algumas melhorias logo de cara, depois fui investindo um pouquinho sempre que dava e ele ficou muito bom! E já faz uns anos que ele esta completo. Tenho alguns decks caros, mas tenho um carinho especial pelo meu burn e acho ele ótimo até hoje, da para roubar vitorias de decks de valor absurdo com ele e fazer otimos resultados... Aconselho a você montar um deck mais baratinho, mesmo sem todas as cartas (como o meu burn no começo) e ir comprando ele aos poucos, e depois pensar em investir em outro mais caro conforme der, sem presa, não vai se arrepender, pois legacy é o formato mais divertido e variado de todos.

I love this idea that "You can just play *insert budget deck here* if you want to play legacy". Come on, people don't want to "just play". People want to play magic to play the DECKS THEY WANT TO PLAY not what they are FORCED to play.

@Radiodragonofdoom

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, this is my problem with the argument for "budget" legacy decks. If I wanted to play Legacy I would want to play something like U/B control, buuuuuuut a playset of force of wills is REAL pricey, and that's before you get into the Mana bases. Also if you don't have a group that plays the format you either can't play or you have build a couple of other decks to play with.

@Lexender

5 жыл бұрын

Not to mention you spend a lot of money and now have 1 deck, ONE, if you want play something else for a change you better burst open your wallet again.

@ness87mtg

5 жыл бұрын

Don't think of it as a "Here play this and only this deck" but as a "Here is a good starting point to get you into the format." For instance I typically will recommend Burn because you can start there, pick up a few cards here or there then play UR Delver and eventually play Grixis Delver.

@billcravens5907

5 жыл бұрын

@@ness87mtg The issue is 1. Not everyone that wants to get into legacy wants to play burn, D&T, or some pirate jank (even just to get their foot in the door). 2. A "few cards here and there" we are talking a thousands plus dollars for those few cards to play a fundamentally different deck in delver. Its a stupid out of touch thing to say from them that people should just pick up a cheap deck just to have the privilege to play in this format. Hell screw the middle man and just take your modern deck to legacy. You probably have just as good of a chance winning consistently against real legacy decks as you would with legacy burn. Again people play non-rotating magic to play what they want to play not what they are forced to play.

@ness87mtg

5 жыл бұрын

@@billcravens5907 I do agree those "few cards" are a ton of money and I do think the barrier to entry is a huge issue for Legacy and I would like to see the reserved list go away. I just don't know a better solution to recommend to someone who is interested in Legacy but is hesitant due to the cost other than recommending a budget deck like Burn or Dredge, or some Depths lists. Heck Miracles isn't too bad if you hold off on getting Tundras for a while. Modern decks are one possible solution and people can have success with them due to decks not having appropriate answers for them. Bottom line is Legacy is my favorite format and I don't want it to die out. I wish people had better access to these cards so people don't have to recommend budget decks to people that are interested.

I am so glad you made this video. It makes legacy look like a really interesting format, especially looking at things now in early 2020.

Vintage dredge is THE dredge deck! Bazaar of Baghdad is insane in dredge and you need to play vintage for that ...

@emmettochrach-konradi2785

4 жыл бұрын

Vintage is real magic, balls to the wall bullshit just as the ol' garf intended

I started to play legacy about 4 months ago and it immediately became my favorite format! Taking after PK, I've picked up D&T and started playing at my lgs, and the community is the best! Thanks for upping the visibility on it and taking some of the misconceptions out of it!

Funny story about people using weird proxies: One of my friends was building miracles and didn't have any basics so he took some bulk that he had in a box to write island or plains. turns out he had the tundra and the force of wills for the deck but accidentally used a stony silence as a basic land proxy that we didn't notice until he got the basics.

thank you for promoting my favourite format. I love this format mainly because of the basic cards like lotus petal, ancient tomb, wasteland, hymn to toorach... all this cards make any startegy more powerfull and fun than any modern deck. you can play anything and you will have more fun than in modern reserve list is good, when they do masters something, commander, conspiracy... you're not loosing your money.

@fablodibongo1150

5 жыл бұрын

@@voluntarism335 there's a lot of players who own a legacy deck but never brings it to their lgs and never talks about the format. because you only go to your lgs for a modern or standard tournament. but ask for legacy players and you will find.

exactly what I needed for my Valentines this year. Happy Valentines Prof and PleasantKenobi!

The important thing to know ab legacy accessibility is just whether or not your store allows proxies. Even if it's just 4 to 5 proxies, than can significantly decrease the cost of the majority of decks, and I've heard of many stores than do more than that, like 12 to 15. One of my fav decks, which is legacy madness, could be bought for around 250 dollars if you were able to proxy some duals, some LEDs, and a few of your fetches.

Thanks for telling me about this episode in your critic's critique video. I don't play much anymore but I'd be up for some legacy I think.

I love these podcasts on my Spotify it gives me something to listen to during my workday that being said I hope there are more in the works last one was February 14th. Love it so much I bought the playmat to show off at my LGS.

When you miss the Arena standard nexus of fate ban. By the podcast being made before the day of the announcement Dang

@40Found

5 жыл бұрын

It's only banned in Arena Bo1 though, it's still legal in real standard

They should just make it legal to use proxies for reserved list cards in legacy tournaments.

@bradbrad6521

5 жыл бұрын

at any legal tourny they make you proxy any foils or DQ you for having cards they sell

@coltonsmith6908

5 жыл бұрын

@@bradbrad6521 got a source to cite? that seems extremely unlikely.

@welldang4

4 жыл бұрын

FoW then becomes a 300 dollar card

Always great the see Legacy getting some love. Thanks for the awesome content!

Other big problem...many LGS don't host Legacy. The ones that do have them monthly, or infrequently. That doesn't include the times they don't fire because there isn't enough of a player base that can make it out each time (due to location, or timing, etc).

@alfyb4512

5 жыл бұрын

It’s the same problem. If Legacy became accessible, people would want to play it, and LGS would start hosting them.

Any depreciation from reprinting the the power or Duals would quickly be outpaced by the increase those cards would see from the surge in popularity of the formats they are legal in. (See Modern Masters 2013 and it's effect on prices)

I was playing both Modern Burn and Pauper Burn lists when StarCityGames did a team event in my area, since no one else at my LGS had a Legacy deck, I used those two decks and a few other cards and made Legacy Burn. I went 7-2 in that event and my love of Legacy was born. I am currently 16-6 in legacy events with that burn deck. The list is pretty inexpensive, I even pulled the fetches out because of Stifle, but Legacy has become my favorite format and I just wish that I could play it more.

It’s been established that the RL list is not a legally binding contract because it lacks consideration which is one of the aspects required. However, WoTC could be sued because of promissory estoppel. I think at this point though the profits they could make from reprinting these cards would outweigh the lawsuits. Could you imagine playing vintage or legacy at FNM?!

@johngleeman8347

5 жыл бұрын

Perhaps set up a FDIC type of thing where you can have your collection guaranteed to be worth "X" if you sell within time period "Y." I would be shocked if the massive revenue coming in from selling newly minted power 9s didn't blow the cost of collectors cashing out right out of the water.

@thekopnut

5 жыл бұрын

Just come to the town where I live, we are having legacy at our FNMs 3 out of 4 times a month. One might think its super restricting, but its actually not, there are always some kids havin fun with their standardbasedbrew in the events, and everyone has fun. kinda weird, but our community is just nice.

@TheStephenation

5 жыл бұрын

@@johngleeman8347 I ain't gonna fall for your tricks, IRS.

@doctordistracto8390

4 жыл бұрын

No there are so many problems with a promissory estoppel claim. 1 you'd have to prove you went out and spent $3K on kudzu or whatever because it was reserve listed. You'd probably be someone who speculates on hundreds or thousands of cards and most aren't reserved list, so that's an uphill battle. 2 you'd have to prove wizards should have expected you to go spend $3K on kudzu based on their promise. There's no real reasonable way to argue that wizards should have expected the insane things finance people imported to the game from the stock market. 3 your damages would be whatever you paid when you bought in minus whatever the card is worth after the reprint. So, almost certainly zero since most likely the cards would stay above your buy in price, and at worst would return to the exact price they were when they were freely reprintable. And that's assuming wizards doesn't do anything clever and just reprints the whole reserved list pixel for pixel. They can print triple lands and dual moxes if they want. They can print one worthless reserve list card that isn't worth suing over and wait two years, and then reprint the rest after everyone has waived their reserve list claims by sitting out the statute of limitations from when they first broke the promise. Trust me the lawyers who weighed in on this issue knew what promissory estoppel was and analyzed specifically that issue because there is no contract issue. Prof knew the claim would be estoppel based and would definitely fail.

also pauper is literally delver: the format right now

@mantislazuli

5 жыл бұрын

Yup, I wish they had banned Gush or Foil at the latest B&R announcement.

@sephyrias883

5 жыл бұрын

@Dick Johnson Boros is also very popular, but I agree that Delver decks take up too much of the meta. I'm hoping that Wizards prints some good commons for nonblue colors in the upcoming sets, since they are now more aware of Pauper.

@FalconPunch256

5 жыл бұрын

There was a 5-0 decklist dump a couple days ago, or maybe a week, with zero delver decks

@dickjohnson8983

5 жыл бұрын

@@FalconPunch256 as my boy digibro would say "this is an anecdote and it means nothing"

@_daze

4 жыл бұрын

froggy0025 elles sont bannis

Quick PSA guys - proxy decks are the best way to enjoy legacy and learn the format without the investment, and just because you can't play sanctioned events with proxy decks doesn't mean you lose out on any of the fun or nuance. Someone in my playgroup proxied about twenty legacy decks , sleeved them up, and keeps them in one of the large Pirate Lab carriers. He brings it to our FNM every week, and players often show up early to play, and we try to squeeze in a quick game between rounds as well. Factoring in ink, paper, sleeves, and the carrying case, your entire LGS can play legacy for an investment of just a couple hundred dollars... if even that. I highly recommend giving it a shot.

the highlander point by Vince is a great point, in the last year i've been aquiring 1 ofs of all the duals, mainly because i'm making a canlander gauntlet, however it also means that if I feel like building a dual using legacy deck (I mainly play D&T atm) i'm at least some of the way there

These intros are genuinely important to my lifestyle now.

I got excited when you said New Vegas was on the switch, so much so that I paused the video and tried to find it. I was disappointed...

Very good job, geantleman. I'm putting a lot of effort to introducing new players to the Legacy in my local community, I'm trying to organize bigger events, writing articles, borrowing cards, explaining various decks and strategies, and this video is really good backup to all my, sometimes disregarded statements, about why all those misconceptions about Legacy are not true :)

What's the name of the song in the outro? I can't find it anywhere

Around 37:00 you mentioned proxy batterskull. I had a full power merfolk in vintage deck, but proxied misdirection for an event. No proxy main with 1 dollar proxies FTW

Guys, it would be amazing and really helpful if you can make an update to this, considering all the cards from 2019 that made an impact to the format. Things like Oko, Thief of Crowns, Hogaak, Arisen Necropolis, Arcum's Astrolabe, Dreadhorde Arcanist, Teferi, Time Raveler, etc.. I consider Arcum's Astrolabe an important one because it allows you to play not only 4 or 5-color decks, but it also has reduced the entering price to the format significantly by playing more snow-basic lands, at least that's what I see. I'm wanting to dive into Legacy, I'm reading a lot of articles, watching videos like this gem, and I'm enjoying it a lot. Thanks a lot!

A local legacy player lent me his Sneak and Show deck and I fell in love with the format. Found my deck loam pox and have bee playing it for four years. I encourage you guys to talk to the legacy players.

Facts are facts. Comp Legacy is brutally expensive and extremely difficult to get into it. It looks interesting, but god I can't justify spending so much money on a format where nobody plays near me. It wouldn't be so awful if mana bases alone weren't thousands of dollars.

@TheNickdotDK

5 жыл бұрын

china got your back :D

@rmcdaniel2424

5 жыл бұрын

I put money and say magic is removing itself from paper. You heard it first

@Mox_Normandy

5 жыл бұрын

@@rmcdaniel2424 I don't think it's gonna stop being a paper game. It's been a paper game all its life and that's where the majority of people play, and it's where WOTC stands to make the most money. I think as long as they actually get their shit together on Arena though, they can make a very good digital platform.

@ZakanaHachihaCBC

5 жыл бұрын

Just build Eldrazi. It’s fairly cheep in terms of Legacy, and ports over to Modern for E-Tron and a powerless Vintage build. The only expensive card is a pair of City, and even then you don’t need them to have a viable deck.

@omarua3435

5 жыл бұрын

@@ZakanaHachihaCBC it's not as good or consistent as the FoW/Brainstorm decks so why bother.

So what they mean about the reserved list agreement being legally binding is this: according to American contract law, and given that WotC “promised” never to reprint these cards, if they every did, any collector that lost money because of that reprint could if they wanted to sue WotC for the exact amount they lost, which of course every single one of them would do because they want their money back. So while you could make the argument that the reserved list isn’t legally binding, it most definitely is monetarily binding.

The reserve list is pointless gatekeeping to Legacy and Vintage.

@sephyrias883

5 жыл бұрын

Even if Wizards were to ignore the reserved list, you would still have rediculously expensive decks, simply because Wizards is very conservative with reprints. I mean, just look at Modern with its fetchlands and planeswalkers. I know for sure that I wouldn't spend that much, regardless of which format it is.

@jamesmarkham7489

5 жыл бұрын

neoepochx the point is to keep people playing standard. Bc once you play legacy. You lose interest in expensive low power cards.

@tombrown407

5 жыл бұрын

Yep. They need to just reprint early sets en masse with new art and frames.

Great content, guys!

I love this episode. With modern and even standard being so expensive i always assumed its was out of reach, having watched it im now open to legacy

Also sad no one mentioned Goblins :P my favorite and first legacy deck crushed a local tournament the other day with it :p

@KS-ui4hi

5 жыл бұрын

I play modern goblins and think legacy would be awesome with additions such like moggcatcher and goblin wizard

@Insanonaga

5 жыл бұрын

I play Nic Fit, and I just see an easy win, simply because I run 3x deluge and 3x perky deed in my mainboard.

I love you guys, keep up the good work!

he's called "pleasent" Kenobi, so he doesn't complain or anything like that, that would make him "unpleasent Kenobi" wouldn't it?

@Mrtfarrugia

5 жыл бұрын

If he would get into pauper they could call him Peasant Kenobi.

Proff is the Man!! Great video!

I've been playing the Blue/Black Legacy Ninjas list Saffron Olive showed off awhile back, just with Watery Graves instead of Underground Seas, and honestly it's very rare when the 2 life from shocklands matters. Far more important and useful is the interaction of Brainstorm and Fetchlands.

I recently got into magic as of dominaria pre release and I just finished my first legacy deck I built br reanimator with deals and Facebook groups purchasing some heavy play duals that are sleeve playable I spent under 800 dollars over a 3 month period and I couldn’t be happier legacy is so much fun

So my 2cents on the RL: I'm a long-time MTG player, playing standard since the Shadowmoor/Eventide block, and then modern and now almost exclusively EDH due to time constraints (some modern on the side for fun still). While I may not be a completely dedicated MTG-Financer, the reserve list has allowed me to dabble into investing in small-time, as I don't have as much expendable income as people who do the stock market. I don't have to dump thousands into an investment to hope it appreciates and risk losing thousands if it crashes. RL-cards are one of the few investments out there that is basically guaranteed to appreciate. I don't have to worry about sitting on pricey modern cards, wondering if now is the right time to dump before they get reprinted and have their value slashed in half. RL cards will only ever go up, so you can wait as long as you want and won't ever get burned for it (assuming the RL stays in place). I enjoy the fact that I have a small stock in items that are "safe", and if I decide to sell some or all of my collection down the road, I could make double, triple, or quintuple the money back that I spent on them. And that's a very, VERY cool upside to have tacked on the back of a hobby you enjoy so much. Now on the gameplay side, I definitely get the unfairness of how some formats like legacy, EDH to an extent, and especially vintage feel locked-away by the RL. To this I say, proxies. Most of the local game stores around me fully allow proxies for vintage and legacy tournaments, because they're aware how ridiculous it is to acquire the authentic cards. And if people just want to play the format because they enjoy it, well then go ahead and do so with proxies. You can have literally just as much fun with cards that look almost identical to the real thing. The ONLY reason you would NEED to have the real ones, is if you are one of the big-leagues, going to sanctioned regional/national/international GPs and tournaments. And if that's the case, you probably could afford the real ones anyway. If your LGS doesn't allow proxies for shop tournaments tho, then my apologies...maybe try convincing them to allow it? Just my thoughts on the matter, I imagine not many share my opinion, but wanted to put it out there. Keep up the content~

About the joke using a fifth Underground Sea to proxy Batterskull. A friend of mine owns an italian Scalding Tarn that someone sharpied the italian name of Thrumming Stone on. Someone actually proxed Thrumming Stone with a Scalding Tarn.

I really really think that removing all lands from the reserved list would be good. It could be a nice start and compromise.

I'm a primarily commander player getting into legacy, and I play legacy ledless dredge and got the deck for about $200. Great intro into legacy without breaking the bank, and still plenty viable and fun. Went 2-2 at my first lgs tournament with it.

Good commander decks =/= expensive commander decks (unless you go full-on competetive). One has a blinged out mono black phage deck which costs as much as a small car, and he loses a lot. The other one has a 70$ krenko deck which consistently stomps us.

@averytwo1

5 жыл бұрын

Competitive = good tho Yeah u can make a bad deck for cheap that beats other bad decks that cost more lulz

@averytwo1

5 жыл бұрын

@Jojoforpres play against a pod with 3 flash hulk/ ad naus COMPETITIVE decks and win 25% with a non comp deck then get back to me, cause u just made a comp deck No good=wins more than other decks lmao

@goldcreeper7376

5 жыл бұрын

@@averytwo1 but this isn't what he said. He argued that competitive commander decks will sometimes perform poorly in non-competitive matchups, the opposite of what you're trying to say. Of course competitive decks thrive in a competitive environment, no one is arguing against that

@averytwo1

5 жыл бұрын

@@goldcreeper7376 no I'm saying the majority of cedh decks would smash most "casual decks". Certain competitive stax decks may have a hard time against some casual decks but that's about it. If someone is flashing a hulk/add naus doomsday shit in the frist couple turn of the game with counter back up I dont think most casual decks can or will deal with that. Theres a reason they are "competitive" and the others are "casual". Now theres a grey area where people play not competitive archetypes but build it in a Competitive way and that kinda works but it's basically just playing a tier 2 cedh deck. Play what you have fun with but dont pretend ur playing a "good" deck or get salty when a hulk is flashed turn 2.

@fablodibongo1150

5 жыл бұрын

i'm sur for a bit more money this krenko deck could be even better

Whoever said legacy was dead in northen england was wrong, if you're willing to drive ~2hr theres a win a dual most weekends and multiple FNM style events through the week depending on which area you are in, there's usually at least 1 every 2 weeks or more within an hours drive

Was really hoping to see you guys touch on the whole pirates debacle

My shop runs tourny with 15 proxies max in deck + sideboard, for offical games to report to wizards, we actually manage most of the time to loan out the money cards to those who need it, or atleast pain lands , reveal, filters etc.that ' will do '. Legacy is the one format where everyone can bust out their entire collections. With that, more fun, trades, chats, playtesting.. just magic in general xp

Brought up Elves and Merfolk but no mention of the best tribe in magic, Goblins!

I think you may have inadvertently nailed it: the reserved list deters players from playing an eternal format because most of the money for WOTC is in Standard and draft. Hence the impending prospect of a rotating Modern.

Nice episode...just finished....I know the the professor and PK keep saying WOTC does not support Legacy...but the fact that MTGO is still going, this gives you another entry point into Legacy that is way cheaper. and you can test the format with things like Manatraders before investing in a paper deck. and this is supported by WOTC. Love the episodes...hope they become weekly!

Love the content! Please do an episode on Canadian Highlander!

@29:00 "You spend $150, you put mono-red burn together and you go to your local game store. You sit down and play legacy" With the same amount of money, you could build 2 competitive standard decks: Mono-blue tempo and mono-red, go to the local store and find more people/events.

@braydenlangham5154

5 жыл бұрын

I've never met someone in person who plays legacy, let alone speak of it. It'd be better for me to play modern or standard as you mentioned. It has a weak playerbase.

I bought into manaless dredge with no 4x FOW, right after UMA release, and I got it for $100.

I would recommend against playing manaless dredge at locals. It’s a really fun deck, but if you keep playing it at the same place everyone just starts playing leylines.

@KS-ui4hi

5 жыл бұрын

Had an extremely fast gonlin tribal deck in modern that destroyed the meta in my playgroup and caused the meta to shift to much earlier creatures

Best intro ever and I have also spent to much money on Skyrim

Nice bring back coverage on the background kenobi XD

Best moment: 40:56 when Prof does the Droopy Dog voice! "That bwasn't bvery bnice..."

You guys should do a Can Highlander episode, or at least talk about it more. I would love to hear both your thoughts on the format

In the long run, keeping Vintage and Legacy alive as playable formats does more to prop up the prices of old staple cards than would refusing to reprint them and letting the formats die off. Once the format dies then all the value that comes from the cards as playing pieces will evaporate overnight.

On axing the reserve list: I do think there would be absolutely no price change for Alpha and Beta, and little change for Unlimited (and it would rebound quickly for what change did happen). The thing about those sets is that people don't really buy those cards to _play_ with very little exception made for power in Unlimited (as the most "affordable" recalls and moxen are from that set - though those are still all only playable in Vintage, and I wouldn't be against keeping them out of print) - nobody is going down to Friday Night Magic and dropping their slabbed and graded deck on the table. Where the price _would_ take a nose dive (but still, only temporarily) is in the Revised dual lands - those are the only high-cost only-in-ABUR cards that people do actually buy for the _necessity_ in deck building. Print Vintage Masters with duals, and those would no longer be literally the only option, I could see them then dropping, wow, all the way down to the price of _Zendikar fetch lands_ oh no, but the retro art and style would still climb back up as it's still unique compared to what would probably be the $50 Masters reprints. Also: on the finance people, you should watch Rudy's video on the subject - he argued in favor of axing the reserve list so he could go in and buy all the ABUR duals and power during the initial selloff panic, which is a great idea, because he's not an idiot and knows they'll rise in price again quickly (especially with more players getting into the game as it becomes accessible...).

DOn't get my hopes up..... I literally went to go look for Fallout New Vegas on Switch....

@tbonehavoc

5 жыл бұрын

Same. Legit dragged my butt out of bed to go check

XD, I really like the introduction

Should put these on iTunes my dude. So I can listen at work.

I'm enjoying this series more and more. Fantastic content and topics. I've largely played Modern and Limited (although I far prefer Modern) and have always considered Legacy but never wanted to pull the trigger on making a deck purchase because I feared the format wasn't going to be supported by WoTC and my own perception that there just isn't enough player support for it. Apparently, and happy I am incorrect. I do however think I would purchase a deck on MTGO before I purchased the paper cards. Side note: While I love what WotC has done with Arena, I just don't accept it because of it's highly constrained format support. I don't want to HAVE to play Standard or Limited. I want to play Modern, Commander, Legacy and (in fact) every format that I want to play. I continue to play on MTGO and have given up completely on Arena. Great user experience but ultimately, it falls short on what I want personally as a player. -mM

While I haven't played, I watched a lot of Legacy, and the play style of the format appeals to me. There are even certain decks I think I'd enjoy playing. Unfortunately, there is no Legacy community to speak of where I live, so it isn't worth trying to make the cost fit into the family budget.

the main problem is none of the shops in my area do legacy so that makes it real hard to justify building a legacy deck, yet i wish they did cause legacy seems so fun

I actually bought the dredge deck that was on mtg goldfish just to play Legacy with my friends and I love it!

Could wizards make a set of proxy legacy cards with a nonstandard backs(kind of like those tournament decks) that have to be sleeved just to increased the amount of players playing legacy?

Niagara Falls is both Buffalo and Canada, the better view of the falls is in Canada but The Maid of the Mist boat ride that goes under the falls is Buffalo.

Is there a budget version of Legacy MUD? I was looking through the decks, and it looked fun lol.

Convinced me to convert my modern monored burn into legacy... after all i needed to finish it was fetches for Lavaman. Thanks guys!

I miss these

Found a nice manaless dredge deck that is super cheap with the reprint of bride from below, unforunately I have very few people who play legacy near me so I am currently prioritizing commamder although I really want to get into legacy

I loved the games of Legacy that i have played, I am incredibly sad that i sold so many cards 8-10 years ago. But i just re-purchased wastelands and put together an eldrazi stompy without grim monoliths.

Yiu know what i like also? I saved up. Months to make deathblade in legacy in the past. And that deck is my baby. I worked hard to make that deck and i can play that deck for 5 years straight and not get bored.

@erenjager4698

2 жыл бұрын

I'm in this process rn of saving up for a deck. 20$ a week until it gets up to the amount of whatever deck I'm gonna decide on. Its gonna take a while but for me it's worth it.

Never noticed till the prof laughed this episode but he looks kinda like Robin Williams in good will hunting.

Alternative suggestion- What if they ban dual lands in legacy? It would drive price down, dramatically, and it would make the problem people seem to be having of “ermahgerd blue 2 stronk” somewhat fixed- having to shock in lands on top of your usual forces hurts, not to mention having to use daze on top of that. Other decks might rise to the top that havent seen play, or are lesser played in the meta rn. I imagine maverick and nic fit making a return, meaning more dnt lists would have reason to run leonin arbiter. Stoneblade would be strong for sure, but not to a horrific extent like it is in modern (force, while painful, would still exist). The only boogeyman I see being a problem is reanimator/sneak and show decks, but force still exists, and the new printing of lavinia really helps with that matchup. Dredge would see a return in this proposed meta I assume, so this would provide more reason to run graveyard hate- which hoses reanimator too. If they’re not good enough for everybody to use, why are they good enough for anybody to use? The reserve list may as well be a ban list, why not make it official?

O have 4 modern decks, including menfolk, but only one legacy, the burn, and even so I LOVE legacy

prof’s hair in the thumbnail is rad

"take your 5th underground sea and write batterskull on it and there you go" LMAO

I played merfolk in a scg legacy open. It was a good experience. But i had to borrow chalices, and some caverns. I couldnt imagine needing duel lands. Are even asking someone to borrow them.

Well you have to admit Alara set symbol is significantly cooler than the M19 symbol.

I dont have any of the reserve list😞 but i like cards having value! It makes pulling cards more fun in my opinion

How to make Legacy more accessible: Ban the reserved list. Do you like Dredge? Well, that's gonna cost you $200 for each copy of Lion's Eye Diamond there Timmy.

In Modern the threats are stronger than answers. In Legacy answers are stronger than threats.

Thank you PROF for what you said about reserve list and bleeding WOTC of our dollars until they get serious about legacy and reserve list reprints. Don't put Hasbro's corporate woes on the backs of magic players. People want to play eternal formats at reasonable price points. REPRINT THE RESERVE LIST.

Legacy is unequivocally the best format in magic the gathering. Yes it has a seriously high paywall that acts as a barrier to entry. But the depth of the format is incredible

You gotta let PK finish his thoughts. That ups the quality of a podcast show big time. It also meets proper thoughts develop. Also, it lets the rambles we love to hear go, where the talking over each other just turns into chaos.

Oh I get it now! Internet explorer is slow!! Haha you guys are so funny!!

Being a Modern player, I undoubtedly shared most of the fears that are mentioned here. But when I went to Uni, there was a nice legacy play group. I started wetting my toes into the format, and it's basically what I want modern to be. It has complex gameplay, punished linear combo decks that modern doesn't punish, and has a much larger deck pool that I initially believed. I still have not built a deck, am looking forward to, and learning to play the format. I don't believe it will ever replace modern so long as I can play primeval titan on turn two, but it feels more like what modern should be, than the format that it is.

My lgs has just started doing 10 proxy legacy it's great