Make it cost 7! You're makin jank, Murray

@TolarianCommunityCollege

5 жыл бұрын

YOU'RE GOING TO RUIN MODERN, GLORIA!

@AngeloRosales64

5 жыл бұрын

@@TolarianCommunityCollege please do another bit with Murray. It's my favorite bit. I actually go back and watch that video constantly.

@AndrewWoodford

5 жыл бұрын

Tolarian Community College Jace keeps you in menthols and cat food Gloria!

The problem with the current hype cycle is that it makes the release date of a product feel like the END of its lifecycle rather than the BEGINNING. Usually it's not as blatantly obvious as it was with Modern Horizons, but it would be nice to actually get to USE our toys before we have to cast them side to buy new toys.

@joshuaperrine2019

4 жыл бұрын

Indeed.

@gregoryblind8954

Ай бұрын

This aged well imo

Splinter Twin did nothing wrong

@Paintopia_VR

5 жыл бұрын

it was super annoying to play against

@dmany13

5 жыл бұрын

@@Paintopia_VR but more annoying than things now? It's just izzet control with a good win condition

@andrewrussman9287

5 жыл бұрын

It did get a reprint in modern masters and take a spot in my booster box as one of the "value" cards in the box, only to get banned a month later. So there's that, but overall there were plenty of ways to deal with it, especially at the modern play level. It could have been banned when it was in standard, and I wouldn't have argued. Saying a card breaks the metagame at a modern level is a pretty high credit to give Splinter Twin. I want Deathrite Shaman back too.

@boulderelf1317

5 жыл бұрын

That sounds like a great name for the 4 mana enchantment they were talking about!

Prof, your lighting setup is great. It really enhances the visual.

@24hoursinthelife

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it makes the dungeon--erm, office--look really nice.

@andrewboyko8304

5 жыл бұрын

Monj you’ll note how Vince’s shoes were removed in order to make escape harder. The prof had his shoes off to complete the illusion that it was just a courtesy.

Talking about the sets in standard and they missed a whole block. (Ixalan) That speaks VOLUMES

@cadenglass1387

5 жыл бұрын

It is about to rotate out.

@melonboi927

5 жыл бұрын

Ixalan is standard?!

@MattMillwardUK

5 жыл бұрын

@@melonboi927 don't you play arena?

@RiseInAfterlife

5 жыл бұрын

@@melonboi927 Only Wildgrowth Walker, Jadelight Ranger and Merfolk Branchwalker it feels like.

@harrison1735

5 жыл бұрын

There's also Search for Azcanta, Legion's Landing, Carnage Tyrant, Field of Ruin, Hostage Taker, Vraska's Contempt, Treasure Map, Entrancing Melody, Ghalta, The Immortal Sun...

It suddenly dawned on me why fatigue is kicking in harder: it's the removal of blocks. Back when there were two sets per block, the second set would be smaller and have less hype, save for a handful of cards with that could see play beyond limited. It was less exciting and had fewer cards, since it was more of an extension of the set currently in play. Overall, I think the current block set is better for quality of cards and interesting game play, but it means that if you're sick of a current set, you now only have to wait three months instead of six.

@MemoryLaneWizard

5 жыл бұрын

I think that the end of blocks likely played a role too. But also the fact that Modern Horizons was mostly new cards - for Masters sets we knew that we would get 100% reprints - and if you did not care for draft, you would just buy singles. No one would get super stressed over Karn being reprinted in Ultimate Masters - it would make it temporarily more affordable, yes, but it not would change formats or create new decks. In Modern Horizons the preview season was much more tense because there a load of new cards as well as cards being brought into Modern - which fed into more speculation and buyouts - which is, at least for me, the most tiresome thing about preview seasons.

@joshuaperrine2019

4 жыл бұрын

I wish we'd go back to three set blocks

I haven't even gotten all the paper singles of the cards I need from Modern Horizons in the mail yet but there is another set being hyped

Content creators feel the effects of over-hype more than anyone, and so for you this effect is most prominent. Most standard players won't care about Masters / Horizons sets; drafters don't care about Commander pre-cons; Commander players don't care about the vast majority of cards printed, but rather focus in on legends or cards with unique effects. However, because the audience of TCC is made up of all of these players, if you ignore anything that WotC produce, then you "let down" these groups. For an average player, of which I consider myself, the release schedule is fine - there's lots of stuff coming out, but I'm only interested in some of it.

@coolzog

5 жыл бұрын

I would suggest most players play more than one format. I play standard, but I also play EDH, modern and legacy. 6-7 sets a year + Commander/spellbook etc. is too much. They need to go back to 4.5 sets a year (4 standard sets + a supplemental set every 2 years) with yearly commander precons. I'm fine with core sets having more reprints in them. The issue is Wizards has been pretty terrified of doing this since putting thoughtseize in standard and warping the format. I don't know why they kept saying in this video that "nothing has changed" in terms of how many sets are released. Clearly more sets are released/year now vs. 6+ years ago. Especially since they started making 1-2 masters sets + a supplemental set + commander set per year, in the last couple years.

@antoniobush4560

5 жыл бұрын

What about people who draft, play commander, like all sealed formats and gambling?

@Insanonaga

5 жыл бұрын

sjcak Maybe. That doesnt apply to a lot of us who are interested in the eternal and semieternal formats though. I love legacy, and vintage too- my store lets us proxy up the restricted list cards, and we have a great time. I barely got to process what all we got out of modern horizons before mtggoldfish bombarded me with core 2020 spoilers. I’d like, at the very least a week or two of extra time before the spoiler seasons compared to what we have now.

@RiseInAfterlife

5 жыл бұрын

Standart Players don't get hyped though. We get pissed off. It's not "oh look new stuff" but it's constantly "more stuff that feeds only the most cancerous and already opressing decks in standart, WotC you fucking morons". Only break right now from that is the potential of Elemental Tribal Temur....which most likely will be drowned out by the Meta.

@aronens

5 жыл бұрын

@@coolzog if you play that many formats you must be a very active player and then you probably browse online for magic content/discussion which means it's easy to keep up🤷

Vince cannot be 21.

@Chuubii

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe he was cheeky

@iStarlyTV

5 жыл бұрын

BinarySecond I’ve heard him say this before as well but I think it could be a running joke????

@powermetalhistorian

5 жыл бұрын

he is not.

@namename8004

5 жыл бұрын

He has been claiming to be 21 for a long time. I've never believed it. It's kind of a joke, but one he won't admit is a joke. I'm incredibly curious as to what his age actually is.

@Harv88

5 жыл бұрын

Ima say he is inbetween 28 and 36, I'm leaning toward somewhere in his early to mid 30s.

If anyone’s wondering the cards they were referencing were Stone-forge mystic, Death-rite Shaman, Birthing Pod, and Splinter Twin. In that order.

I don't appreciate how nasty The Professor is being to Vincent, who is so Pleasant!

@gaelsortino6033

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah it's a bit annoying.

What they need to do is shrink the preview window. Two weeks for previews is just too much. We would get less mental fatigue and more spacing out of time if things were focused on a week of a set.

I’m a relatively recent player, playing since Rivals of Ixalan, and I’ve already dropped playing standard in favour of commander and casual. I’m thrilled with the flood of new cards (despite slivers and omnath looming over me with recent and incoming cards) but most cards get noticed and then immediately forgotten. I’ve looked at so many spoilers upon spoilers for Modern Horizons and Core 20 recently that despite some amazing cards being available, I’ll only ever remember a handful of cards from each set until I’m reminded of them again. There’s simply too much going on to properly appreciate any of it.

@ryanhampton2352

5 жыл бұрын

I am in a verry simular boat to you, started in ixalan and dont bother with standard anymore

@rabidadder3635

5 жыл бұрын

I think Ixalan was a good gateway into Commander with the tribal focus offering a clear way to build decks and some decent commanders for those decks. My Orzhov vampire deck was my go to standard deck and it led me to create my prised Edgar Markov deck as I already had many materials for it. A friend of mine at the time did the same with his Dinosaur deck and a few people bought a Kumena off of me for merfolk.

@ryanhampton2352

5 жыл бұрын

@@rabidadder3635 definatly agree i played dinos in standard then made gishath a commander deck then shorty after i made Muldrotha and i havent ever missed standard, also the champion deck kind of killed it for me as there was litrally 15 mardu veichle players at the time 😑

@rabidadder3635

5 жыл бұрын

Ryan Hampton the standard environment wasn’t strong where I play so I never ran into anything overly degenerate until Arena. That and two Nexus of Fate decks that were at a standard competition I joined on a whim. I haven’t missed standard, with my decks all being casual or Commander. I’ve recently made a casual battle box of 10 Ravnica guild decks as well as a Varina commander deck and I’m happier than I was playing games of standard

@ryanhampton2352

5 жыл бұрын

@@rabidadder3635 yeah id definatly say I'm happier now i just play casual with my friend's, somthing my playgroup is doing at the moment is we are all chipping in to buy sets based around bolas, like war of the spark, hour of devistation shards of alara, and were going to host bolas cube No prizes no score tracking just some people enjoying a game and im excited to do it

I definitely feel burned out with Magic right now. This endless hype train has made me want to uninstall Twitter from my phone so I stop checking it all the time like a maniac.

@mintspears6714

5 жыл бұрын

My entire facebook feed is spoilers for weeks on end

@feritperliare2890

5 жыл бұрын

Connie Barnett I just stopped caring once I saw how commons are almost never playable outside of standard and commander decks suck so bad now

"KALDHEIM! You know it's gonna happen!"

@PrettierNPastel

5 жыл бұрын

Sorry no dice

@Dayyyjoey26

3 жыл бұрын

Wow he really got it.

@ManaMastery

3 жыл бұрын

Nailed it

As the great Jim Cornette says "How can I miss you if you won't go away!" It can be applied to magic cards

I remember that Mark Rosewater asked on his blog a while ago something along the lines "do you think we're making too much or too little product" and it was overwhelmingly answered as too much, which I agree with.

@RiseInAfterlife

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah but as we know Mark Rosewater is a moron and I highly doubt he would ever chose the sensible answer. I still hate him for "it will rotate out" shortly after Dominaria release when asked why they don't ban that filth called Chainwhirler.

This is super cool, I've never seen this podcast before. Thank you KZread. Also, I don't think standard is worth it anymore, EDH and Modern all the way!

@TolarianCommunityCollege

5 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@the7A7dude

5 жыл бұрын

So many edh players, pretty soon 60 card formats wont exist

I feel this video needed the Prof and Kenobi wearing red velvet smoking jackets with fancy pipes in hand. Also, Prof, you forgot to hype "Archery" in the opening.

@bananamancer

5 жыл бұрын

He did it with "Kaldheim"

Hey prof, it was great to meet you at magicfest Seattle. It was my first magicfest/gp and that really made it awesome!

I think the issue is MH was released too late in the year. We had MONTHS of NOTHING like January/February/March/Early April and then everything hit at once when WAR started.

The difference is surely that there is a supplemental set every summer AND more reprint sets. Last year we had the 4 normal sets + Battlebond + Unstable + Iconic Masters + Masters 25. 8 sets compared to 4 that it used to be before conspiracy and modern masters etc. This doesn't even include commander precons spellbooks and new/casual players products. There are more sets.

"Products are better than they've ever been" This is why the hype. Cards are good. People are excited. Why didn't we have this before? Not as many cards are as exciting

@joshuaperrine2019

4 жыл бұрын

More products released each year. That's the objective reason.

"It could do nothing wrong.... " - AND IT'S BANNED!

@matthewarnold4557

5 жыл бұрын

All of the cards they were "pitching" are banned in modern. In case it when over your head.

@robertabugelis3962

5 жыл бұрын

@@matthewarnold4557 A few I could identify just by listening. The others I have to go onto scyfall to get all the jokes. Lol

@matthewarnold4557

5 жыл бұрын

@@robertabugelis3962 stoneforge mystic, deathrite shaman, birthing pod, splinter twin In that order

Sorry Prof. but there are way more sets and products than there were before, it's not just the timing of spoiler seasons. Before it used to be a simple three sets, core set, and special summer set that was usually a masters or conspiracy-type set. That's pretty much it not including supplimentary products. But in 2018 alone, just counting actual set releases there was; Rivals of Ixalan, Masters25, Dominaria, Battlebond, Core2019, Guilds of Ravnica, and Ultimate Masters. Last time I checked seven full set releases is more than the usual five. And that's not counting Signature Spellbook: Jace, Global Series, Challenger Decks, Commander 2018, Elves vs. Inventors, and Commander Anthology 2018.

@316malica

5 жыл бұрын

Cant forget with each set usually comes multiple planeswalker sets.

@harrowed777

5 жыл бұрын

And Guild Kits, and Game Night, and Spellslingers, and the Gift Pack, and Heroes of Dominaria, and probably others I'm forgetting too.

@joshuaperrine2019

4 жыл бұрын

2020 has sooooo many more products than any year beforehand.

@Mustakrakish16

4 жыл бұрын

@@joshuaperrine2019 Why are you commenting on a thread that's over a year old?

Nice that you made the editing, prof :) I LOVE spoilers, but even I was tired with m20 and just waited for the spoiler season to be over and just looked it up all at once they were on scryfall.

Totally agree the amount of reprints in core sets is much too low. The fact that people are so grateful that we got like 2 significant reprints last year just shows how starved of reprints we are. The difference is surely that there is a supplemental set every summer AND more reprint sets. Last year we had the 4 normal sets + Battlebond +Unstable + Iconic Masters + Masters 25. 8 sets compared to 4 that it used to be before conspiracy and modern masters etc. This doesn't even include commander precons spellbooks and new/casual players products. There are more sets.

@adamdettelbach6863

5 жыл бұрын

Not that I disagree with your overall premise, but there were more than 2 of great significance. Obviously you were referencing Scapeshift and Crucible of Worlds, but Omniscience was big, Death Baron dropped from $20 to $5, and Colossal Dreadmaw of course changed everything!

@ashadeofnight

5 жыл бұрын

@@adamdettelbach6863 OK 4. imo there should be more

@TheSpiritombsableye

5 жыл бұрын

@@ashadeofnight, he did say, "like 2".

I went through the release schedule and saw 2 things that I think are factors: 2017 saw the transition from 5 sets per year to 6. There's also the fact that War, Horizons, and Core are barely a month apart rather than the average of 2. There's also the addition of all sets are large sets.

the number of sets have been ramping up in recent years. In 2015 there were 5 (Standard 4+ Modern Masters 2) 2016 there were 6, (4+ Eternal Masters & Conspiracy 2), 2017 there were 7 (4+ MM2017, Iconic Masters & Unstable) , last year there were 7 again (4+Masters 25, Battlebond & Ultimate Masters) I firmly believe this is currently too much I would like to see 6, 1 new set every 2 months would give it time to breathe.

Prof, These are great videos, but I have noticed the past couple videos have the lighting reflecting on some of your background. As you continue to improve and grow into some new areas, please pay attention to lighting reflections as well! Keep it up, these videos are always great.

*at the mention of Return to Lorwyn* WOOOOOO *takes off shirt, revealing Lorwyn fanboy shirt* YEAH LORWYN!

I'm dying of hype fatigue... I won't even be excited for new cards soon enough

You guys missed the Challenger decks right away in your product walkback

If you had to delete a product or expand the window between sets what would you get rid or or how would you change the schedule

Looking play magic. I was planning on buying the new deck-builder kit that’s coming out but I was wondering do all deck builder kits come with the same 125 fixed cards or is it different with every new addition? or would it be better to get something different to get in the magic? Any help or opinions that would be really appreciated🥳

Currently in the last cycle of sets there have been more than before because they did 2 masters sets instead of 1 so yeah for the last 12 months or so it has felt like theres more because there has been

I know in the past people have complained that standard power level is to low. But the past 2 years standard power level has been pretty high. It has caused Modern to change a lot! Modern almost feels like a rotating format now. I can't keep up with being a spike and having a good deck/ upgrading my decks with fresh cards. I just don't have that kinda cash flow. I gave up about 6 months ago. I just play commander now and keep one pet low tier Modern deck.

I've been playing since about 2000, and the constant cycle of new product now is truly exhausting. I'm broke as a joke, but I'll be damned if I won't snag singles for brewing with the guys. It just keeps getting worse though because it's nearly impossible to keep up with at this point.

The hype is real. I bypassed Modern Horizons and still feel some burnout from the hype. M20 is intriguing, but I’m more anxious for Commander precons.

How many can list what sets are in standard? How many can recognize all the set symbols vs all the sublimental products released during that time?

Guild kits are great supplementary products. I started in the middle of ravnica allegiance, my first product was a Domri Planeswalker deck, then I fell in love with commander and I ramped into a commander gruul deck with a Gruul guild kit and an aminatou Commander Deck precon, which I just took all the mana ramp and utility lands from. Now, about 7 months later, I have a fun and pretty good Varina, Lich Queen commander deck and a janky jund commander deck. The Commander pre-con and the guildkit were the best purchases I made on top of moving to buying specific singles and flicking through binders in my LGS. I bought a challenger deck even though I don't play standard, that was a waste of money for me. I bought a ravnica allegience bundle but you know what, I should have bought another commander pre-con, I would have more of the cards I want for building a better commander deck. Core Set's are also loads of fun for me, because I get to expand my collection evenly rather than focusing everything into a specific deck or theme too early on. This year, I plan to buy one of every commander deck. More deck variety in my playgroup will add a lot to the strategy and politics of my FNM.

For the record, MaRo mentioned that he's going to reveal the Fall set on his panel at SDCC, while Commander stuff is coming after that. So we might actually get a pretty quiet July to ruminate over all the new stuff.

I agree which is weird because it used to be as a primarily edh and limited player I felt pretty immune to the bombardment of new cards but now it seems different somehow that I can’t quite place

Before i started to play competitive magic i played with the same cards for about 6 years. E.g. all my green decks had Llanowar Elves and all my white had Savannah Lions and it never felt boring to play these cards. With the frequent releases i don't have the time to get attached to the new cards which feels wrong to me.

Very good intro, *UNBAN* let's see if I can *TWIN* read between the lines.

I don't remember produce schedule in the past . . . but since December of 2018, these are the products so far : Ultimate Masters, Ravnica Allegiance, War of the Spark, Challenger Decks and Modern Horizon. That is 5 products within 7 months, not to mention Signature Spellbook Gideon releases this week, Core 2020 prerelease is next week. I think something is wrong with the release schedule. Thankfully Commander products are 2 months away and we get some sort of breathing room.

@Hames8

5 жыл бұрын

Oh god, I forgot about guildkit

I LOVE modern horizons draft, but I’ve hardly been able to draft it! Core set looks fine I guess, but just hold on a second!

It feels like you two have even more chemistry when you're talking in person. This is the most animated and entertaining the Prof has been to listen to in a while. Really great video. Also, loved the opening. #SplinterTwinDidNothingWrong

You're really jumping the gun with "Commander 2020! Commander 2020!". We haven't even seen Commander 2019 yet, relax a bit!

I just got around to watching this episode and totally feel everything said here. I just got back from finaly drafting my modern horizons box I've been sitting on for 3 weeks. And we've already started talking about m20. I haven't been able to keep up with everything every night when I try to see what new hype has come out within the last 24 hours

Fall set is confirmed to be announced at SDVC

Games Workshop turns a new product every week. The hype train never ends.

@quintonsloan3666

5 жыл бұрын

You ready for apocalypse kill team sisters of battle card game set in nights haunt vs starter storm cloak palidins

I really like being excited for things, in fact I was even anticipating the massive drop from Time Spiral 2 to a core set and was happily surprised to see that core sets are good now, I guess.

If that's a card in biggest frame behind professor, what card is it?

I don't play all of the formats they make product for but I feel the fatigue too. I don't know how to tackle it at all other than putting my blinders on lol.

The guys who run my LGS are burned out and their livelihoods depend on releases. There's definitely space for spreading out the releases. Forex: Feb - Winter Standard Set Apr - Modern Horizons Jun - Core Set Aug - Innovation Set Oct - Fall Standard Set Dec - Commander

@zachevans2220

5 жыл бұрын

You've taken out a Standard set in your schedule, and I don't think WotC will ever be willing to drop any of those; even when they took away Core Sets, they put another expansion in it's place.

@Fyrwulf

5 жыл бұрын

@@zachevans2220 Well, if burnout is a problem, something has to give. Modern and Commander need their set and the fun set is usually minting money. Two months is ideal, because it gives each set a month to preview and a month for the bulk of a set's sales to happen.

@davedussault7251

5 жыл бұрын

Scheduling any release in December is just a bad idea.

@Fyrwulf

5 жыл бұрын

@@davedussault7251 December 1st is the perfect time to release Commander precons.

@TheSpiritombsableye

5 жыл бұрын

You're missing since standard sets.

This is fantastic having both of you together in the same room! What a treat

Coresets before M2010 were every other year. I wouldn't mind that again and put the Horizons/Conspiracy/Battlebond/Unstable sets in the alternate years. The Annual Commander release is fine and the Spellbooks took the place of the From the Vaults.

My dad got out of MtG largely because he felt they were coming out with too many new products too quickly & he couldn't keep up -- and that was almost 20 years ago, before Internet spoilers were a thing!

I think the problem is that the preview season is two weeks and ends with the LRR PPR and then there is a week gap for prerelease and another week gap before the cards are actually released... I think you need to get rid of some of that dead space.. getting rid of the week between the PPR and prerelease or making it a release weekend sealed event and move draft weekend the week after the set is released.. this will allow for an extra week or two between sets and products and might reduce the product fatigue.. I dont think the problem is too many sets, but to much time between previews and release

a while ago when the War Novel came out I wrote up a thing that talked a lot about the problems with it and what lead into it. One of the major problems was spoilers, having the story spoiled ahead of time. The reason I bring this up is I was thinking about how spoilers used to be. Originally there'd be samples in magazines and some previews in duelist and the like. Then the internet took off and so did content creators a few spoilers here and there, a few rares and flashy cards sent out to some content creators and the site would spoil maybe 1 card a day. Then somewhere around the prerelease we'd get slapped wtih the full spoiler seeing a couple hundred new cards at once. a few years ago WOTC began amping up the number of early spoilers both wtih themselves and content creators, and now we get a lot of cards every day and know the entire set a week before the prerelease. So instead of a huge set drop and a lull we get a steady feed. a large part of this is presentation.

Where are you getting 5 from? It's been 8 since last year. Both ultimate Masters and MH1 were less than a year ago. And commander. And four normal sets. Not to mention two guild kits and a spellbook

Even with the oversaturation and fatigue being a thing, I think WotC's in this weird place where if they were to backpedal at all, it'd cut into their numbers so much that Hasbro might take issue with it. Gosh there's just so many moving parts and it's difficult.

Another issue is the less reprints the more cards to discuss. Also they need to have a recursion period between pre-release and next set spoilers like you suggested but also a shorter preorder time period. Have preorders start and end within a week, two days after spoilers stop so there is a day to discuss. They want preorders and the entire time they start a preorder to when it's released you are hyped. Rather than having time to discuss if it is a good set to buy. I remember some sets I wouldn't preorder because the set was bad. Now they hype it in a fast wave to guarantee orders because sometimes it'll be sold out otherwise

I think the major difference between a masters and a horizon set is that horizons has new cards that are injecting into modern and shaking things up, where as a masters set only served the purpose as draft fodder and making existing cards more accessible. There wasn't fatigue with a masters set because you were already familiar with every card in the masters set. So when Modern masters 3 came out on March 17th 2017, you were already familiar with the cards in it, it didn't encroach on you absorbing new cards in Amonkhet that were released on April 22nd 2017. I also kind of think that in general when they have a standard set with a non-standard set being released within 30 days of each other, they should release the non-standard set afterwards, not before.

As a player who is interested in Standard and Modern, I watch all the sets and spoilers for sets that go into those formats, but I really just focus on modern playability (in general), and look to see if the standard format is one I'm interested in playing (i.e. is my style of deck particularly strong). Everything else I just kind of miss. I don't really play limited, because then I would have to read common spoilers. I have an EDH deck, but only one, and I don't even get to take it for a spin very often, so I only check every few months for updates on cards for EDH. Even then I feel pretty overwhelmed, especially with WAR->MH1, since so much in modern seems to have changed. I'm not even sure what I want to pick up because it seems like next week it could just drop out of the format to the next hyper linear deck. Maybe my mistake is loving fair, 1-for-1 magic, but having new degenerate stuff every set wears me out, Wizards knows I only get a 15 card sideboard, right?

My product to cut is super easy: Cut the damn yearly commander and move it back to being part of the special products like it started. When it was every 2 or 3 years it was easy to get them and they had time to plan them and make them well. They should go back to that, and just make them available for the like 2 years and then if you want to collect all 4 or 5 they make, it's not so difficult, and it reduces the number of products. I love commander, but a yearly product was always a bad idea, at least one of the scale they do it. If it was like 2 precons a year, it would be much more manageable. But the absolute refusal to print needed cards like fetches and shocks, like wurmcoils and hard to get legendaries, on top of that just makes these products as they currently are a problem over all. Do them less, do them better.

A big issue in discontinuing a seasonal set would be the issue of increasing print runs to meet demand that might not exist past a few months. That would saddle LGS's and Big box stores with lots of products that are simply not in demand anymore. They would also have to modify the standard rotation schedule.

i could be so cool if the commander set this year would be praetors and phyrexia based decks, maybe not infect, but the fact that praetors are so powerfull cards and inpactful when they hit the board, is pretty exciting to me, i'm not saying they should be as powerful as the current praetors from new phyrexia, but it would be interesting to see, it's just a thought, and the mirrodin block was one of my absoloute favorite blocks of all time.

Missed the Guild Kits in their rundown of product in the past year. Was an amazing product and should not be overlooked.

I feel as though the combination of the Mythic Edition release dates being separate and all of the headlines they grab, along with the announcement of extra products such as the Japanese alternate art Planeswalkers, has created this feeling of exhaustion without actually adding any more sets or cards to the normal routine.

It's been particularly bad the last 2 1/2 years from when I started paying attention to releases who was rivals of ixalan which was the winter set 2017-2018 we had rivals, iconic, battle bond, dominaria,masters 25, m19, commander19, guilds, ultimate masters, allegiance, war, MH, and now m20. Not to mention other supplements and mythic editions which caused their own problems Thats 13 sets in 18 months holy crap. I havent even gotten to build and play mh goblins and I'm already adding cards to my list for it from m20. For someone like me who has limited time and money to devote to magic which is really my only hobby it's just to much sometimes

At 26:00 you guys it right on the money . also the time between the lest three set .

This always happens around the summer sets; there's always an influx of product that overwhelms. However the opposite is true around the winter sets where everything feels barren. More than anything it probably is exacerbated by, as you both pointed out, Horizons having a much more potentially influential effect on the game than masters/un/conspiracy sets but in the grand scheme isn't any different from what's already been going on.

How about a one casting 1/1 haste and lifelink that would surely be playable right?

As someone who plays almost exclusively standard, and on very rare occasions some kitchen table magic with friends, I don't feel especially fatigued by everything. From my point of view I get my four standard sets a year, and then a supplemental set that I still get hyped for and excited by the previews and then just never play. The Modern reprint sets and all the precon stuff just whooshes by me. I think for the superfans who have their fingers in every bit of Magic things might be a little more hectic, but for the more focused people it's not as bad, and that probably goes for content creators who focus on specific things, too. Specifically this summer, with M20 coming like a week after Modern Horizons spoilers ended there was a really small gap. They almost certainly could've gotten more of a gap in there by shifting Modern Horizons back a bit. Or maybe even forward a way, come out in August, since in my mind I think Core Sets have slightly less to talk about and process than a block set. Or a...a non-core set, whatever the block sets are called now that there's no blocks.

7 Sets in 2018, 9 sets in 14 months from Nov 2017 to December 2018 including 3 masters sets, battlebond, unhinges and the 4 standard sets. It’s too much product.

I think 6 main releases per year *with new cards* (or a new draft format) would be ideal. January - Winter Standard set April - Spring Standard set May/June - “Innovation” draft set (Masters, Horizons, Battlebond, Un-set, etc.) July - Core set September/October - Fall standard set November - Commander precons I do think the spacing is an issue - don’t spoil the next set until after the previous set has been released for at least 3 weeks. Give each set some time to shine. Supplemental products with reprints only (Challenger Decks, Guild kits, Signature Spellbook, etc.) don’t add to my fatigue, so they can stay as is. Also, they don’t have a spoiler season - they just get spoiled all at once. So they can add to hype without interfering with spoiler season. Announcing these products works as a great “drop-in” during times that would otherwise be bereft of new spoilers. Finally, I wish the ratio of new cards to reprints in the Core set were adjusted. I feel like Core sets should be 60% reprints and 40% new cards. While not every product is for every player, there are some players who want every product. It’s a collectible card game, so that’s not surprising. An every two month schedule of releases that include new cards gives players and content creators appropriate breathing room to allow for hype to build for each set.

I've always felt that Wizards prints too many sets per year. I would like to see a main set (Lager set with more cards), and then one expansion to that main set per year. I think you keep Core and the "Special" set, but my answer would be to reduce the number of Standard sets per year. (2 per year, One large, one smaller.)

I for one am absolutely exhausted by the amount of new cards coming out. There are so many that I want to try out in EDH decks, for example walkers from WOTS, that I haven't got hold of because I simply don't know if it's worth it when in two weeks a better card might be spoiled. I have finite (read: very limited) resources and it is major bad feels dropping cash on something that is suddenly outdated. Plus on a slightly different line I don't feel like said cards are holding trade value - I try to exchange what have up until now been great cards in my decks but all everyone wants is the newest stuff that they themselves haven't been able to justify buying!

Supplementals have been around for quite some time. Beatdown, Deckmasters, and Portal were supplementals that weren't necessarily Standard legal. But, they were just cranked out more seldom. With a few exceptions (looking at you Time Spiral/Lorwyn/Coldsnap/Tenth Standard, although this no longer looks too outlandish with the current Standard), Standard tends to be, at most, 8 sets with a bit under 2,000 different cards and about 10 different non-evergreen keyword mechanics.

Here is a card 1 genaric and jeskai a 4/4 creature that can for 1 and izzet bring a scorcery or instant from graveyard to hand and it's a legendary creature

Hey guys, can you do a discussion on Wizards wholesale abandonment of the turn four rule in modern?

I think a big part of the hype change has come from the change in how strong their spoiler control has become. Back in the day we knew about cards from upcoming sets months in advance. Now the spoilers don't start until weeks before prerelease. That means when we do get spoilers they come hard heavy and fast, which can be overwhelming.

@joshuaperrine2019

4 жыл бұрын

We're having more products released each year.

I just got back into magic, after almost 20 years, with Guilds and right now I'm loving the amount of content. It does feel like a lot though, and if this pace maintains I could see myself getting overwhelmed this time next year.

@joshuaperrine2019

4 жыл бұрын

You overwhelmed yet?

It feels like more and more products are being released every year, the pressure to buy boxes for preorder bonuses grows, certain products are being priced too highly for casual players, and the lull between sets now feels cramped and insufficient to really appreciate anything. I only just got around to updating my commander decks with War of the Spark cards, and I've already got to consider what of Modern Horizons I'll need, as well as Core20, as well as whatever Commander 2019 is going to consist of and whatever sets they'll squeeze in between August and December.

I think there is an underlying, fundamental problem here: As more and more magic cards get released, each card has more potential interactions, thus each card becomes more complex to evaluate and build around. With every newly released card, old cards can suddenly spike - both in value and in playability - and create new strategies. If Wizard is speeding up the release of products (or just isn't slowing down), it will be harder and harder to evaluate cards and utilize them to their full potential. I think a solution would be to include more reprints in sets, because they are already better known and take less time to comprehend.

I started playing just as Commander precons, Masters sets, and "innovation sets" all transitioned from being released annually instead of every other year. Then, on top of that, Masters sets started coming out basically twice a year these last two years leading up to Ultimate, and Unstable was yet another extra booster product. You guys, I have so many unopened booster boxes because I haven't had the time and energy to put together drafts. Oh, and Commander should definitely move back to the November slot instead of the August slot it got pushed into a couple of years ago. The summer is too packed with a new major release (not even counting the spellbook) every month from May to the fall set prerelease by the end of September.

I think the fact that recent Standard sets have been releasing almost a week before prerelease on MTG Arena could be part of the problem

What was the 4 mana red enchantment they were referencing.?lol

Sometimes things going fast can be a good thing because, as you said or implied, it doesn't give us much time to think. So, it can help prevent us from overanalyzing everything to death. But things going too fast can also be used as a way to hypnotize people without them ever settling down or thinking.

I am DEFINITELY feeling the hype fatigue these past several months. It's to the point where I am not even buying packs anymore just the specific cards from each set I want then to deck brewing since I'll have another spoiler season and sets worth of cards to look at before I've even finished playtesting the new cards from the last set.

@joshuaperrine2019

4 жыл бұрын

Feeling any better this year? XD

ALTERNATE YOU FOOLS! Even years: Commander Pre-cons Odd years: "Wacky" Summer set Even years: Signature spellbook(s?) Odd years: Challenger Decks Even years: New Plane Odd years: Return to Ravnica/Alara/Innistrad/Whatever Not hard!

@joshuaperrine2019

4 жыл бұрын

That's not how it works at all, though.

I’m sure there were multiple masters sets last year, and you weren’t counting commander set as one of the sets of the year. To me at least, that set is the most important of the year

i say the next plane is alara. reason: the just announced new chandra comic is called "trials of alara". might just be a coincidence, but who knows.

I guess everyone also forgot about the Game Night product, which did introduce a few new cards. Definitely forgettable though in comparison.

As a player I'd love to have that one week after the release with my friends to play and talk about the recently released set before spoilers for the next set comes out. Just the one week break between release and spoilers would make a huge difference for me in terms of getting to enjoy the set. Plus if that time allows the content creators I follow to make content on the released set, that adds to my enjoyment of the set

Regarding the question of more cards, YES. Because all sets are now "full sets". there are no 180 card sets for 2 of the seasons anymore.

I don't appreciate how nasty Vincent is being to The Professor, who is so pleasent!

The difference is the supplemental sets are appealing to a broader audience this year. Typically those sets would appeal to subsets but now that the modern masters has new cards and the core is getting way more CMDR level cards it's blending everything into a want for every player and having an additional expansion to budget for is hard to do. Not to mention the fall out of if I forget some mythic or rare that turns out later to be amazing for a format I could be sol when it's now 20+ dollars even though normally I wouldn't miss it because I'd have more time to ruminate on it.