Did the Early Church Fathers Believe in the Trinity? with Jake Brancatella

Jake's KZread channels:
/ @themuslimmetaphysician
/ @politicalalchemy
Link to presentation:
www.academia.edu/118666760/Di...
Chapters:
Introduction: 00:00-18:55
The Trinity: 18:56-42:26
Ignatius (d. 110 C.E.): 42:27-1:27:31
Justin Martyr (d. 165 C.E.): 1:27:32 - 3:26:14
Irenaeus (d. 203 C.E.): 3:26:15 - 4:30:36
Tertullian (d. 240 C.E.): 4:30:37 - 5:25:50
Origen (d. 253 C.E.): 5:25:51 - 5:59:44
Gregory the Wonderworker (d. 270 C.E.): 5:59:45 - 6:08:01
Eusebius (d. 339 C.E.): 6:08:02 - 6:35:08
Gregory of Nazianzus (d. 390 C.E.): 6:35:09 - 6:38:54
Summary & Concluding Remarks - 6:38:55 - end

Пікірлер: 512

  • @BloggingTheology
    @BloggingTheology11 күн бұрын

    Our longest BT episode to date! Jake, The Muslim Metaphysician, delivers a thorough and scholarly examination of the beliefs of early church fathers concerning the Trinity. This poses very serious implications for Trinitarian Christians who need to explain why their most prominent early church fathers did not share their post-Nicean views on the Trinity. A must watch!

  • @azikazikazik

    @azikazikazik

    11 күн бұрын

  • @seeker5634

    @seeker5634

    11 күн бұрын

    U are a scholar like guy.....

  • @vmoses1979

    @vmoses1979

    11 күн бұрын

    Paul you should break this up into clips that are more manageable given the time contained societies we live in. Thanks.

  • @isaacjohnson615

    @isaacjohnson615

    11 күн бұрын

    1Corinthians 8:6 "But to us, there is one God. The Father OF WHOM ARE ALL THINGS. and Jesus Christ the Lord, BY WHOM ARE ALL THINGS". The Father is the Body from whence Jesus and the Holyghost came out. Jesus said it. John 16:27, John 15:26 Man is Body, Soul and Spirit.

  • @fivenightsatfreddys9369

    @fivenightsatfreddys9369

    11 күн бұрын

    trinity doesn't exist

  • @tiretalkstoomuch8781
    @tiretalkstoomuch878111 күн бұрын

    7 hour education!

  • @altonsafe

    @altonsafe

    6 күн бұрын

    The longer the better!

  • @al-farsi6018
    @al-farsi601811 күн бұрын

    We need to support our du’aat at the front line of work against anti Muslim polemics. Seven hours of presenting what must of taken years of high level research with not a penny asked for. When it comes to Christianity, there no one quite like brother Jake. Absolute gem to our community

  • @KalimaTV
    @KalimaTV11 күн бұрын

    7 hours incredible work. Masha’Allah

  • @Momomomsen
    @Momomomsen11 күн бұрын

    Jake needs to write a book on just this topic

  • @sagarlohana1989
    @sagarlohana198911 күн бұрын

    7 hours of knowledge

  • @mariokart6118
    @mariokart611811 күн бұрын

    Thought it was 7 minutes at first then had to double take when I realised it was 7 hours. Jazak Allah brothers

  • @muslimresponse103
    @muslimresponse10311 күн бұрын

    real upscale knowledge here for christians to learn and reflect upon. may Allah ﷻ guide the sincere believers to benefit from this! 🤲🏻 ameen.

  • @faisalfaruque2849
    @faisalfaruque284911 күн бұрын

    This channel us a gem mashallah. I always wanted to study this at a post grad level but was never able to. Through Paul's work and this channel we are getting access to alot of these debates and discussions that were usually confined to academic circles

  • @umarhasans.7245

    @umarhasans.7245

    11 күн бұрын

    My thoughts exactly.Maa shaa Allah for the excellent effort.🤝

  • @axis2312
    @axis231211 күн бұрын

    I'm strapping in. This will be fantastic!

  • @nassimrakik197
    @nassimrakik19711 күн бұрын

    This channel is sooo underrated

  • @lethalfunn

    @lethalfunn

    11 күн бұрын

    Wellahi Wellahi .May Allah increase you

  • @SohailAh46
    @SohailAh4611 күн бұрын

    Subhan Allah 7 hours long stream..😅

  • @imranmo

    @imranmo

    11 күн бұрын

    I thought it must be an error 😅

  • @BloggingTheology

    @BloggingTheology

    11 күн бұрын

    @@imranmo nope!

  • @abumuhamedaleealansari7811
    @abumuhamedaleealansari781111 күн бұрын

    As Salaam Alaikum. This should be turn into a course on early Christianity and Church Fathers by brother Jake

  • @Never_again_against_anyone
    @Never_again_against_anyone11 күн бұрын

    Such a great effort. Watching it a second time now. I wish people were more aware of this kind of knowledge. Thank you all for trying to spread it.

  • @abdurrazzak2970
    @abdurrazzak297011 күн бұрын

    May Allah Bless and Reward Both of you in this Life and in the Hereafter.

  • @husseinelnahas3133
    @husseinelnahas313311 күн бұрын

    Brother Jake has a wealth of knowledge in this subject.

  • @kellyblakeborough3371

    @kellyblakeborough3371

    11 күн бұрын

    But still he does not understand the truth . Fails to see the point of christ

  • @Gabrielbattou
    @Gabrielbattou11 күн бұрын

    what an amazing episode on the history of the #Bible

  • @onetouhid
    @onetouhid5 күн бұрын

    May Allah bless brother Jake with barakah upon barakah. He is shining light for the ummah, Alhamdulillah. May this be a Sadaqah Jariyah for him ameen!

  • @laccess911
    @laccess91111 күн бұрын

    This is pure gold! Thank you so much and God bless you all!

  • @nasri
    @nasri11 күн бұрын

    SEVEN HOURS?! At least give me a chance to get distracted by *some* nonsense for the next few days! =P Thanks for this monumental video!

  • @Ibrahim-hz5nz
    @Ibrahim-hz5nz11 күн бұрын

    7 hours. Wow. May Allah bless you Jake, Bassam and Paul and the whole team. Aameen

  • @RosewiththornsRWT
    @RosewiththornsRWT11 күн бұрын

    7 hours - wow! Mash'Allah, Jake's content is always very informative. Thanks for having him on the channel 🙏

  • @OVERKILLGAMING786
    @OVERKILLGAMING78611 күн бұрын

    Jake is the Man when it comes to debunking the Trinity, Alhamdulillah!

  • @isaacjohnson615

    @isaacjohnson615

    11 күн бұрын

    Who are the Trinity gods according to Allah?

  • @doneracer5994

    @doneracer5994

    8 күн бұрын

    @@isaacjohnson615 Allah had sex with another mans wife and gave birth to Mohamad who was born with a long beard. This is in the Koran.

  • @Holistic_Islam

    @Holistic_Islam

    4 күн бұрын

    @@isaacjohnson615Did Allah mentions the Trinity in the Glorious Qur’an? If you’re not a deceiving Christian, then show me the verse in the Glorious Qur’an that CLEARLY says the word TRINITY. Show us you’re truthful and not a Satan.

  • @isaacjohnson615

    @isaacjohnson615

    3 күн бұрын

    @@Holistic_Islam Quran 4:171 This is a very popular verse, yet you don't know it. 🥹 I advice you to watch CHRISTIAN PRINCE youtube regularly. He will open your eyes to so many texts in Quran and Sahih Hadith that will shock you. And make you realise it's a cult.

  • @user-le4qp2ck7k
    @user-le4qp2ck7k11 күн бұрын

    Wow this is amazing information … I’m 2 hours in but I think I need to break this up into segments… so much info… I need time to digest it all!

  • @hisham572
    @hisham57211 күн бұрын

    My 12 year old daughter just said that im a fan boy of Paul…..I was thinking “damn right I am”

  • @aumyousefnasser9359
    @aumyousefnasser935911 күн бұрын

    Mashallah may Allah increase your knowledge my dear ❤❤❤

  • @muhammadbello8756
    @muhammadbello875610 күн бұрын

    I listened for 7hrs straight during my shift at work, Jazakum Allah Kayran Jake and Blogging Theology

  • @yesImAliveYeees
    @yesImAliveYeees10 күн бұрын

    7hrs mashaAllah, that must be a record!

  • @TimeTrotter24
    @TimeTrotter2410 күн бұрын

    7 hours! I'm travelling from the US to UK tomorrow... looks like I'm going to download for the trip!

  • @alib7489
    @alib748911 күн бұрын

    7 hours !!! Alhamdulillah

  • @uncledan2u
    @uncledan2u11 күн бұрын

    The amount of time, searching for materials and analysing it at this level is phenomenal. Seven hours of pure academic endeavour presented so well and clear. Thank you so much. May Allah bless you my dear brother 🤲.

  • @tymon1928

    @tymon1928

    11 күн бұрын

    You do realize that majority of the stuff covered is from christian unitarians right? Jake is repeating old arguments

  • @uncledan2u

    @uncledan2u

    11 күн бұрын

    @tymon1928 Precisely. Might be old arguments but to gather all those arguments spread over the hundreds of years is already baffling enough not to mention making sense of it and presenting in such a coherent and clear manner is not an ordinary feat. Listening to this for seven hours straight tells you how good the explanation of his findings was. Only a highly inquisitive analytical mind and an exceptional articulate person can reach this level of awareness to explain the already complex arguments mostly hidden from public investigation until the internet is available. Even that is time consuming and requires incredible mind stamina.

  • @tymon1928

    @tymon1928

    11 күн бұрын

    @@uncledan2u nah, there's multi fold problem. Jake cherry picks and quote mines church fathers to make them go in line with his position, he was caught doing it multiple times.

  • @mukhlimkurowo

    @mukhlimkurowo

    8 күн бұрын

    @@tymon1928 if cherry picking is problems then there are contradictions. if not cherry picking, how we can quote whole bibles?

  • @-AEON-

    @-AEON-

    8 күн бұрын

    @@tymon1928He was never caught cherrypicking verses. And he didn’t do that here either. Nowhere in this 7hr video did he cherrypick a single verse. All he did was expand on every single quotation he brought from scholars, while applying context to them. If you don’t like the academic approach, then go ahead and create a new one for us while you’re refuting his claims instead of yapping around in the comment section.

  • @munamohamed7160
    @munamohamed716010 күн бұрын

    Masha Allah! I can listen to Brother Jake for many many hours! Masha Allah!

  • @1goal1
    @1goal110 күн бұрын

    I noticed the 7 hour time on it. I thought maybe i saw wrong. MashaAllah! I like how Jake says, make sure you have a coffee, strap your seatbelt 😂. I notice that some people panic when they see that its a long video. I just pause and continue when i can. As im cooking, driving, etc. Even if it takes me 3 days to finish the video. Its like an audiobook. Thank you wonderful brothers for all your hard work ❤.

  • @timeread3099
    @timeread309911 күн бұрын

    7 Hours crazy! May Allah reward for your efforts.

  • @abumansaray7
    @abumansaray711 күн бұрын

    This will be great to listen to on the weekend.

  • @VrouwenbesnijderHabashi
    @VrouwenbesnijderHabashi11 күн бұрын

    Salamu Alaykom. Thank you brother Paul for posting this gem.

  • @BloggingTheology

    @BloggingTheology

    11 күн бұрын

    wa alaikum assalam it's outstanding work by brother Jake

  • @drammehmusa7374
    @drammehmusa737410 күн бұрын

    I watch the entire presentation, it's so educative

  • @mareolinz
    @mareolinz11 күн бұрын

    Just awesome! I am enjoying every minute of it 🙂

  • @ahmaduahmed8760
    @ahmaduahmed876010 күн бұрын

    A real master piece, have 2½ hrs, a rest to continue. Thanks Paul, it is real academic work very much enlightening, especially for people like us who have not been exposed to much of Christian theology. Now we understand the statements like: they took too much liberty with the texts. They put their words in his lips/mouth. Billions have been misled.

  • @salaamalaikumX
    @salaamalaikumX11 күн бұрын

    Jazakallahu khair to brother jake for really digging in to this subject on such depth. This channel is so informative we dearly appreciate you Paul jazakallahu khair

  • @BasedAkhi854
    @BasedAkhi85411 күн бұрын

    Blogging Theology uploaded new video, i click it. Love from India Sir Paul. 🇵🇸 #Freepalestine

  • @haze1123
    @haze112311 күн бұрын

    Wow. Deep dive into a fascinating topic. Thank you, gentlemen.

  • @raizn
    @raizn11 күн бұрын

    7 hours MashaAllah

  • @JAZIBKALEEM
    @JAZIBKALEEM11 күн бұрын

    Great to see Ustadh Bassam back after a long hiatus!

  • @mohamedmgeni8646
    @mohamedmgeni864611 күн бұрын

    May Allah bless you Jake! This is fantastic presentation! Very educative. When the true belief is revealed definitely the false belief will go away! And say, truth has come and falsehood has departed. In deed is folsehood, (by nature) ever bound to depart. (Qu'ran 17:81).

  • @sammu
    @sammu11 күн бұрын

    LOL omg SEVEN hours?!? This is why BT is BT. Edit: amazing work so far. Five hours to go. Edit: this honestly could’ve been an entire course. Kudos to Brother Jake for the masterclass.

  • @homtanks7259

    @homtanks7259

    8 күн бұрын

    💯🤝🏻

  • @brotheryosef3066
    @brotheryosef30668 күн бұрын

    I watch 1 hour of this everyday since yesterday but jakes eloquence and clarity makes you wanna watch it all at once.

  • @batoolabdallah5704
    @batoolabdallah570410 күн бұрын

    So glad I found your channel months ago, though I don’t always have time to sit on KZread but always happy to see your uploads, I don’t even like watching tv shows and movies anymore because this is so so much more precious and worth my time! جزاك الله خيراً 🤲🏻🤲🏻

  • @dkn2464
    @dkn246410 күн бұрын

    BarakAllahoufik for your amazing work brother Jake

  • @fahad055
    @fahad05510 күн бұрын

    Jazak Allah khair brother Jake .

  • @linkon9828
    @linkon982811 күн бұрын

    Keep up the great work.

  • @randomsports5247
    @randomsports524711 күн бұрын

    great infos provided by Jake

  • @elcaporal739
    @elcaporal73911 күн бұрын

    this is a whole work shift 😭

  • @SI-ei6po
    @SI-ei6po11 күн бұрын

    This was excellent! Jake delivered a very informative and detailed PowerPoint. Please do keep uploading content like this Paul!

  • @fahrrurrozi686
    @fahrrurrozi6868 күн бұрын

    Wow Paul, my big question for a year now explain here. It feel you can read my mind,,, 🔥🔥🔥

  • @BloggingTheology

    @BloggingTheology

    7 күн бұрын

    Happy to help!

  • @denmasedenmase1027
    @denmasedenmase102711 күн бұрын

    Alhamdulillah . Jazzakumullahu khoiron katsiiroo

  • @hungaman1
    @hungaman111 күн бұрын

    7 hours wow. I will have to watch this at work.

  • @eszeezee6967

    @eszeezee6967

    11 күн бұрын

    Honest question, why watch this at work?

  • @hungaman1

    @hungaman1

    11 күн бұрын

    @@eszeezee6967 I work in IT so basically I spend most of my day answering emails and tickets. Its the only time I will have to watch it in full without interruption.

  • @caylia9989
    @caylia998911 күн бұрын

    Amazing ❤

  • @UmMusab-yd2ob
    @UmMusab-yd2ob11 күн бұрын

    For real 7 hrs? …. Can we get an exam afterwards? Seriously! I will get my notebook and lemon tea after the kids in bed.

  • @MohamedShebbeik
    @MohamedShebbeik10 күн бұрын

    As-Salamu Alaykum Paul! You’re channel is so amazing and a captivating asset to all seekers of knowledge. Keep up the great work! I’m trying to spread your videos to Arab-only speakers in the Muslim/Arab world, as I think they’d benefit immensely from joining your audience. Do you happen to have Arabic subtitles for the videos you do with various scholars such as Dr. Ali Ataie? If not, is that something we can hopefully anticipate in the near future?

  • @mamah1212
    @mamah121210 күн бұрын

    Trumendous work !! Explained so clearly 👏 👏 👏 Jazakum Allah Khair . Thank you for organising this topic.

  • @Dontbeasheep345
    @Dontbeasheep34511 күн бұрын

    May Allah reward you.

  • @Diab.L
    @Diab.L11 күн бұрын

    Woah 7 hours of content gonna be a long day guys

  • @maruf2050
    @maruf205011 күн бұрын

    Jake is on a roll.

  • @user-uv7kf8lm2p
    @user-uv7kf8lm2p11 күн бұрын

    I am prepared to watch😊

  • @servetbozdag2359
    @servetbozdag235911 күн бұрын

    Selamun Aleyküm. When i see you i see hope and inspiraton. Elhamdülillah ❤

  • @shampoo2369
    @shampoo236911 күн бұрын

    Wow 👍

  • @yaqub_2.0
    @yaqub_2.010 күн бұрын

    This is a treat 👍🏽

  • @musabrashid1062
    @musabrashid106213 сағат бұрын

    Uuhhuuu I missed this one, thank you

  • @trazynthekleptomancer5055
    @trazynthekleptomancer50559 күн бұрын

    man 7 hours?? this is going to be a treat greeting from Indonesia

  • @samimas4343
    @samimas434311 күн бұрын

    May Allah bless you and your efforts.

  • @abdulazizabdullah6497
    @abdulazizabdullah649711 күн бұрын

    The Trinity concept took hundreds of years to develop - Prof Dr Keith Ward, Regis Prof at Cambridge University / priest at Church of England

  • @harbisulub
    @harbisulub11 күн бұрын

    Absolutely amazing. May Allah bless you all. What excuse do we have now? Non.lol

  • @azikazikazik
    @azikazikazik11 күн бұрын

    7 hours??? I know how to spend this weekend 😁

  • @asadashraf2128
    @asadashraf212811 күн бұрын

    Only 7 hours ❤

  • @user-tl9qh5dc3h
    @user-tl9qh5dc3h11 күн бұрын

    of course Paul's church is responsible for inventing trinity and billion of souls lost for hell 😢

  • @Dontcallmeapusok

    @Dontcallmeapusok

    11 күн бұрын

    Paul wasn’t even a trinitarian as it is known today he was more of a subordinist if you read his writings he also puts Christ below the father God with a capital G

  • @theactualuser

    @theactualuser

    11 күн бұрын

    @@Dontcallmeapusok Yep. Paul probably thought Jesus was an angelic figure who was set apart from every created thing. This works, because there are other figures who were angelic but were totally beyond created beings because God had made them great. Paul even calls Jesus angel in Galatians.

  • @user-tl9qh5dc3h

    @user-tl9qh5dc3h

    11 күн бұрын

    ​@@Dontcallmeapusok but he says clearly Jesus is son of GOD in his letters, isn't it?

  • @maruf2050

    @maruf2050

    11 күн бұрын

    ​@@user-tl9qh5dc3hsubordinist means Paul didn't thought that Jesus was equal to the father but lower than father. Which is not the same as nicean creed.

  • @user-tl9qh5dc3h

    @user-tl9qh5dc3h

    11 күн бұрын

    ​@@maruf2050 no difference he is the the root cause of son theory hence trinity which real Jesus-Issa did never preach!

  • @Heavenlyrules
    @Heavenlyrules11 күн бұрын

    FANTASTIC

  • @DanielGarcia-nq1bu
    @DanielGarcia-nq1bu11 күн бұрын

    After this a new nicean counsel, from The Bronx NYC THE NEW AL FANDALUS

  • @aseprdz
    @aseprdz11 күн бұрын

    7 Hour wow 😧

  • @aliouattila8873
    @aliouattila887311 күн бұрын

    machaallah to both of you

  • @a4482921
    @a44829219 күн бұрын

    Colossal in both its length and significance. Well done gentlemen 👏🏻

  • @boloshabashe
    @boloshabashe6 күн бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @matipelmatip
    @matipelmatip11 күн бұрын

    that's a proper deep dive

  • @LidossPunchX
    @LidossPunchX11 күн бұрын

    Brothers, I love and appreciate this channel project. But please consider investing in better audio equipment and recording software. Audio quality matters more than visuals when teaching, especially since your amazing content is mostly in podcast format. May God bless you and reward you for your efforts, Ameen.

  • @homtanks7259

    @homtanks7259

    8 күн бұрын

    I'm 2 hours in , audio is 👌🏻

  • @Zkhan-pn7wz
    @Zkhan-pn7wz2 күн бұрын

    Masha'Allah ❤❤❤ ustadh jake

  • @biniyaabdulkadir9747
    @biniyaabdulkadir97478 күн бұрын

    7 hour enlightenment ❤

  • @Khaledf
    @Khaledf10 күн бұрын

    That's great ! ☕

  • @ILoveLuhaidan
    @ILoveLuhaidan11 күн бұрын

    Give this guy some money

  • @aisapurak6615
    @aisapurak661511 күн бұрын

    May Allah SWT bless you both

  • @owncraticpath
    @owncraticpath11 күн бұрын

    Salam. Could you do a video on the Early Muslim society and how they treated law making and narrations? I think it would do for a very interesting discussion. Peace

  • @madhobe
    @madhobe7 күн бұрын

    The best presentation MASHAALLAH

  • @fmvrpv3509
    @fmvrpv350911 күн бұрын

    Alhamdulillah...

  • @Abrahamos
    @Abrahamos11 күн бұрын

    Documentary Theology 😎

  • @raquelalhaqab5994
    @raquelalhaqab5994Күн бұрын

    New to channel found you on Substack

  • @abdelhadibs405
    @abdelhadibs40511 күн бұрын

    May Allah bless you

  • @C63V8
    @C63V87 күн бұрын

    Brother Jake is brilliant maşallah

  • @larisaa2332
    @larisaa2332Күн бұрын

    i usually don’t comment on videos but this work must brought forword. never stop your dawah my brothers in islam may Allah highly reward you

  • @syafiqsya465
    @syafiqsya46511 күн бұрын

    ❤ you bruh

  • @DanielGarcia-nq1bu
    @DanielGarcia-nq1bu11 күн бұрын

    ...your brother from The Bronx NYC THE NEW AL FANDALUS

  • @arbitScaleModels
    @arbitScaleModels11 күн бұрын

    There may be a problem for apologists, because Mr. Jake is basing his views on logic and reason.