Did the Early Church Fathers Believe in the Trinity? with Jake Brancatella
Jake's KZread channels:
/ @themuslimmetaphysician
/ @politicalalchemy
Link to presentation:
www.academia.edu/118666760/Di...
Chapters:
Introduction: 00:00-18:55
The Trinity: 18:56-42:26
Ignatius (d. 110 C.E.): 42:27-1:27:31
Justin Martyr (d. 165 C.E.): 1:27:32 - 3:26:14
Irenaeus (d. 203 C.E.): 3:26:15 - 4:30:36
Tertullian (d. 240 C.E.): 4:30:37 - 5:25:50
Origen (d. 253 C.E.): 5:25:51 - 5:59:44
Gregory the Wonderworker (d. 270 C.E.): 5:59:45 - 6:08:01
Eusebius (d. 339 C.E.): 6:08:02 - 6:35:08
Gregory of Nazianzus (d. 390 C.E.): 6:35:09 - 6:38:54
Summary & Concluding Remarks - 6:38:55 - end
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Our longest BT episode to date! Jake, The Muslim Metaphysician, delivers a thorough and scholarly examination of the beliefs of early church fathers concerning the Trinity. This poses very serious implications for Trinitarian Christians who need to explain why their most prominent early church fathers did not share their post-Nicean views on the Trinity. A must watch!
@azikazikazik
11 күн бұрын
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@seeker5634
11 күн бұрын
U are a scholar like guy.....
@vmoses1979
11 күн бұрын
Paul you should break this up into clips that are more manageable given the time contained societies we live in. Thanks.
@isaacjohnson615
11 күн бұрын
1Corinthians 8:6 "But to us, there is one God. The Father OF WHOM ARE ALL THINGS. and Jesus Christ the Lord, BY WHOM ARE ALL THINGS". The Father is the Body from whence Jesus and the Holyghost came out. Jesus said it. John 16:27, John 15:26 Man is Body, Soul and Spirit.
@fivenightsatfreddys9369
11 күн бұрын
trinity doesn't exist
7 hour education!
@altonsafe
6 күн бұрын
The longer the better!
We need to support our du’aat at the front line of work against anti Muslim polemics. Seven hours of presenting what must of taken years of high level research with not a penny asked for. When it comes to Christianity, there no one quite like brother Jake. Absolute gem to our community
7 hours incredible work. Masha’Allah
Jake needs to write a book on just this topic
7 hours of knowledge
Thought it was 7 minutes at first then had to double take when I realised it was 7 hours. Jazak Allah brothers
real upscale knowledge here for christians to learn and reflect upon. may Allah ﷻ guide the sincere believers to benefit from this! 🤲🏻 ameen.
This channel us a gem mashallah. I always wanted to study this at a post grad level but was never able to. Through Paul's work and this channel we are getting access to alot of these debates and discussions that were usually confined to academic circles
@umarhasans.7245
11 күн бұрын
My thoughts exactly.Maa shaa Allah for the excellent effort.🤝
I'm strapping in. This will be fantastic!
This channel is sooo underrated
@lethalfunn
11 күн бұрын
Wellahi Wellahi .May Allah increase you
Subhan Allah 7 hours long stream..😅
@imranmo
11 күн бұрын
I thought it must be an error 😅
@BloggingTheology
11 күн бұрын
@@imranmo nope!
As Salaam Alaikum. This should be turn into a course on early Christianity and Church Fathers by brother Jake
Such a great effort. Watching it a second time now. I wish people were more aware of this kind of knowledge. Thank you all for trying to spread it.
May Allah Bless and Reward Both of you in this Life and in the Hereafter.
Brother Jake has a wealth of knowledge in this subject.
@kellyblakeborough3371
11 күн бұрын
But still he does not understand the truth . Fails to see the point of christ
what an amazing episode on the history of the #Bible
May Allah bless brother Jake with barakah upon barakah. He is shining light for the ummah, Alhamdulillah. May this be a Sadaqah Jariyah for him ameen!
This is pure gold! Thank you so much and God bless you all!
SEVEN HOURS?! At least give me a chance to get distracted by *some* nonsense for the next few days! =P Thanks for this monumental video!
7 hours. Wow. May Allah bless you Jake, Bassam and Paul and the whole team. Aameen
7 hours - wow! Mash'Allah, Jake's content is always very informative. Thanks for having him on the channel 🙏
Jake is the Man when it comes to debunking the Trinity, Alhamdulillah!
@isaacjohnson615
11 күн бұрын
Who are the Trinity gods according to Allah?
@doneracer5994
8 күн бұрын
@@isaacjohnson615 Allah had sex with another mans wife and gave birth to Mohamad who was born with a long beard. This is in the Koran.
@Holistic_Islam
4 күн бұрын
@@isaacjohnson615Did Allah mentions the Trinity in the Glorious Qur’an? If you’re not a deceiving Christian, then show me the verse in the Glorious Qur’an that CLEARLY says the word TRINITY. Show us you’re truthful and not a Satan.
@isaacjohnson615
3 күн бұрын
@@Holistic_Islam Quran 4:171 This is a very popular verse, yet you don't know it. 🥹 I advice you to watch CHRISTIAN PRINCE youtube regularly. He will open your eyes to so many texts in Quran and Sahih Hadith that will shock you. And make you realise it's a cult.
Wow this is amazing information … I’m 2 hours in but I think I need to break this up into segments… so much info… I need time to digest it all!
My 12 year old daughter just said that im a fan boy of Paul…..I was thinking “damn right I am”
Mashallah may Allah increase your knowledge my dear ❤❤❤
I listened for 7hrs straight during my shift at work, Jazakum Allah Kayran Jake and Blogging Theology
7hrs mashaAllah, that must be a record!
7 hours! I'm travelling from the US to UK tomorrow... looks like I'm going to download for the trip!
7 hours !!! Alhamdulillah
The amount of time, searching for materials and analysing it at this level is phenomenal. Seven hours of pure academic endeavour presented so well and clear. Thank you so much. May Allah bless you my dear brother 🤲.
@tymon1928
11 күн бұрын
You do realize that majority of the stuff covered is from christian unitarians right? Jake is repeating old arguments
@uncledan2u
11 күн бұрын
@tymon1928 Precisely. Might be old arguments but to gather all those arguments spread over the hundreds of years is already baffling enough not to mention making sense of it and presenting in such a coherent and clear manner is not an ordinary feat. Listening to this for seven hours straight tells you how good the explanation of his findings was. Only a highly inquisitive analytical mind and an exceptional articulate person can reach this level of awareness to explain the already complex arguments mostly hidden from public investigation until the internet is available. Even that is time consuming and requires incredible mind stamina.
@tymon1928
11 күн бұрын
@@uncledan2u nah, there's multi fold problem. Jake cherry picks and quote mines church fathers to make them go in line with his position, he was caught doing it multiple times.
@mukhlimkurowo
8 күн бұрын
@@tymon1928 if cherry picking is problems then there are contradictions. if not cherry picking, how we can quote whole bibles?
@-AEON-
8 күн бұрын
@@tymon1928He was never caught cherrypicking verses. And he didn’t do that here either. Nowhere in this 7hr video did he cherrypick a single verse. All he did was expand on every single quotation he brought from scholars, while applying context to them. If you don’t like the academic approach, then go ahead and create a new one for us while you’re refuting his claims instead of yapping around in the comment section.
Masha Allah! I can listen to Brother Jake for many many hours! Masha Allah!
I noticed the 7 hour time on it. I thought maybe i saw wrong. MashaAllah! I like how Jake says, make sure you have a coffee, strap your seatbelt 😂. I notice that some people panic when they see that its a long video. I just pause and continue when i can. As im cooking, driving, etc. Even if it takes me 3 days to finish the video. Its like an audiobook. Thank you wonderful brothers for all your hard work ❤.
7 Hours crazy! May Allah reward for your efforts.
This will be great to listen to on the weekend.
Salamu Alaykom. Thank you brother Paul for posting this gem.
@BloggingTheology
11 күн бұрын
wa alaikum assalam it's outstanding work by brother Jake
I watch the entire presentation, it's so educative
Just awesome! I am enjoying every minute of it 🙂
A real master piece, have 2½ hrs, a rest to continue. Thanks Paul, it is real academic work very much enlightening, especially for people like us who have not been exposed to much of Christian theology. Now we understand the statements like: they took too much liberty with the texts. They put their words in his lips/mouth. Billions have been misled.
Jazakallahu khair to brother jake for really digging in to this subject on such depth. This channel is so informative we dearly appreciate you Paul jazakallahu khair
Blogging Theology uploaded new video, i click it. Love from India Sir Paul. 🇵🇸 #Freepalestine
Wow. Deep dive into a fascinating topic. Thank you, gentlemen.
7 hours MashaAllah
Great to see Ustadh Bassam back after a long hiatus!
May Allah bless you Jake! This is fantastic presentation! Very educative. When the true belief is revealed definitely the false belief will go away! And say, truth has come and falsehood has departed. In deed is folsehood, (by nature) ever bound to depart. (Qu'ran 17:81).
LOL omg SEVEN hours?!? This is why BT is BT. Edit: amazing work so far. Five hours to go. Edit: this honestly could’ve been an entire course. Kudos to Brother Jake for the masterclass.
@homtanks7259
8 күн бұрын
💯🤝🏻
I watch 1 hour of this everyday since yesterday but jakes eloquence and clarity makes you wanna watch it all at once.
So glad I found your channel months ago, though I don’t always have time to sit on KZread but always happy to see your uploads, I don’t even like watching tv shows and movies anymore because this is so so much more precious and worth my time! جزاك الله خيراً 🤲🏻🤲🏻
BarakAllahoufik for your amazing work brother Jake
Jazak Allah khair brother Jake .
Keep up the great work.
great infos provided by Jake
this is a whole work shift 😭
This was excellent! Jake delivered a very informative and detailed PowerPoint. Please do keep uploading content like this Paul!
Wow Paul, my big question for a year now explain here. It feel you can read my mind,,, 🔥🔥🔥
@BloggingTheology
7 күн бұрын
Happy to help!
Alhamdulillah . Jazzakumullahu khoiron katsiiroo
7 hours wow. I will have to watch this at work.
@eszeezee6967
11 күн бұрын
Honest question, why watch this at work?
@hungaman1
11 күн бұрын
@@eszeezee6967 I work in IT so basically I spend most of my day answering emails and tickets. Its the only time I will have to watch it in full without interruption.
Amazing ❤
For real 7 hrs? …. Can we get an exam afterwards? Seriously! I will get my notebook and lemon tea after the kids in bed.
As-Salamu Alaykum Paul! You’re channel is so amazing and a captivating asset to all seekers of knowledge. Keep up the great work! I’m trying to spread your videos to Arab-only speakers in the Muslim/Arab world, as I think they’d benefit immensely from joining your audience. Do you happen to have Arabic subtitles for the videos you do with various scholars such as Dr. Ali Ataie? If not, is that something we can hopefully anticipate in the near future?
Trumendous work !! Explained so clearly 👏 👏 👏 Jazakum Allah Khair . Thank you for organising this topic.
May Allah reward you.
Woah 7 hours of content gonna be a long day guys
Jake is on a roll.
I am prepared to watch😊
Selamun Aleyküm. When i see you i see hope and inspiraton. Elhamdülillah ❤
Wow 👍
This is a treat 👍🏽
Uuhhuuu I missed this one, thank you
man 7 hours?? this is going to be a treat greeting from Indonesia
May Allah bless you and your efforts.
The Trinity concept took hundreds of years to develop - Prof Dr Keith Ward, Regis Prof at Cambridge University / priest at Church of England
Absolutely amazing. May Allah bless you all. What excuse do we have now? Non.lol
7 hours??? I know how to spend this weekend 😁
Only 7 hours ❤
of course Paul's church is responsible for inventing trinity and billion of souls lost for hell 😢
@Dontcallmeapusok
11 күн бұрын
Paul wasn’t even a trinitarian as it is known today he was more of a subordinist if you read his writings he also puts Christ below the father God with a capital G
@theactualuser
11 күн бұрын
@@Dontcallmeapusok Yep. Paul probably thought Jesus was an angelic figure who was set apart from every created thing. This works, because there are other figures who were angelic but were totally beyond created beings because God had made them great. Paul even calls Jesus angel in Galatians.
@user-tl9qh5dc3h
11 күн бұрын
@@Dontcallmeapusok but he says clearly Jesus is son of GOD in his letters, isn't it?
@maruf2050
11 күн бұрын
@@user-tl9qh5dc3hsubordinist means Paul didn't thought that Jesus was equal to the father but lower than father. Which is not the same as nicean creed.
@user-tl9qh5dc3h
11 күн бұрын
@@maruf2050 no difference he is the the root cause of son theory hence trinity which real Jesus-Issa did never preach!
FANTASTIC
After this a new nicean counsel, from The Bronx NYC THE NEW AL FANDALUS
7 Hour wow 😧
machaallah to both of you
Colossal in both its length and significance. Well done gentlemen 👏🏻
Thanks!
that's a proper deep dive
Brothers, I love and appreciate this channel project. But please consider investing in better audio equipment and recording software. Audio quality matters more than visuals when teaching, especially since your amazing content is mostly in podcast format. May God bless you and reward you for your efforts, Ameen.
@homtanks7259
8 күн бұрын
I'm 2 hours in , audio is 👌🏻
Masha'Allah ❤❤❤ ustadh jake
7 hour enlightenment ❤
That's great ! ☕
Give this guy some money
May Allah SWT bless you both
Salam. Could you do a video on the Early Muslim society and how they treated law making and narrations? I think it would do for a very interesting discussion. Peace
The best presentation MASHAALLAH
Alhamdulillah...
Documentary Theology 😎
New to channel found you on Substack
May Allah bless you
Brother Jake is brilliant maşallah
i usually don’t comment on videos but this work must brought forword. never stop your dawah my brothers in islam may Allah highly reward you
❤ you bruh
...your brother from The Bronx NYC THE NEW AL FANDALUS
There may be a problem for apologists, because Mr. Jake is basing his views on logic and reason.