Let's face it, there are only two possible options: either Jesus had a biological father, or he is pure myth and never existed at all.

James Tabor is a great scholar . My own story is my mother was married to an Italian man who was in a veterans hospital until he died of wounds. My father was a southerner but she listed her Italian husbands name as my birth father on my birth certificate. My Italian last name is not my real ethnicity my real father was Murrel a scotch Irish man. Christianity is probably the most difficult faith to wrap your mind around because of all the religious traditions and contradictions. I graduated from seminary and always continue my search for the truth of my belief so finding James Tabor is a true blessing for my search.

Really enjoying your videos Dr Tabor

What about Bruce Chilton’s book Rabbi Jesus? Are you familiar with that book and does it 29:48 seem supported by the available written documents.

Such a brilliant analysis. Wonderful!

I once read somewhere -- and for the life of me I can't remember where -- an interpretation for 'Pantera' being derived from the Egyptian 'pa neteru', meaning something like "House of (the) God," a way of referring to a big-wig, an exalted person who may have been from royal blood. The theory may have had some connection to the Aten-cult of Akhenaten, and its supposed relationship with the Moses story. In Hebrew there's a word spelled N-T-R [the 'T' being a Teth, not a Taw], which means something like 'Keeper' or 'Watcher' or 'Continuer', which might denote dynastic continuity, or the idea of maintaining genealogical records pertaining to an important bloodline, or keeping such a bloodline going, the Hebrew word supposedly being an Egyptian term [neteru] adopted into the Hebrew vocabulary. I couldn't say as to whether this is plausible or feasible, but there have been those who believe that Akhenaten was the basis for the biblical Moses, and that the famous Copper Scroll had something to do with the maintaining of the 'heretical' Egyptian Aten-cult outside the territory of Egypt in neighboring Canaan. Let's not forget that Joseph (son of Jacob/Israel) was married to an Egyptian woman who bore him Ephraim and Manasseh, whom Israel adopted as his own sons, they being the 'fathers' of the two northern tribes which became synonymous with the Northern kingdom of Israel after the split from the southern Davidic kingdom of Judah in post-Solomonic times. If the patriarch Joseph's wife were of Egyptian royal blood, then surely this trait would be cherished by her sons, and might well account for there having been some kind of rivalry with the later Davidic dynasty descended through Judah [the 'Sceptre'], with Jeroboam perhaps being of that Ephraimitic Egyptian royal lineage. So . . . IF there actually WAS an historical Jesus, then perhaps his actual lineage involved a merger of the royal Egyptian blood passed down through Joseph's wife in Pre-Exodus times to this 'Pantera'/'Pa neteru' fellow, with the royal Davidic bloodline passed down through David down to Mary. Maybe there were some Jews back then who thought of the Egyptian pharaoh during Joseph's time as being a worshipper of the Aten-god, Hebraized into Adonai ['Lord'] -- maybe from the very family line of Akhenaten, if there is anything to that theory regarding Moses and Monotheism.

@dakrontu

4 ай бұрын

It would be daft to imagine that God could let some random guy accidentally invent Monotheism. On that basis, Akhenaten would have to be a VERY significant person. Not just as an Egyptian. But to GOD. How then can this have gone unnoticed and instead we end up with stories of Moses and Jesus etc more associated with monotheism than the actual guy who IMPLEMENTED it. Something not right, here. Some sort of cover-up. And you can bet it was coz the Egyptian priests were 'not happy' with Akhenaten brushing them all aside. So of course they HAD to wipe out all trace. And meanwhile God stood idly by and let this deceit happen? So much for God, eh?

@conradbulos6164

3 ай бұрын

All these to establish the lineage of Jesus as one of royalty which is supposed to be the highest form of human rank and value by blood and as closest to the divine by our idea of human and divine hierarchy worthy of worship and exaltation.

@dakrontu

3 ай бұрын

The Amarna community persisted for some time. That would tie in with the 40 year sojourn in the wilderness, and the prophet Moses never reaching the Promised Land. After all, pratting around for 40 years in a desert makes no sense, it doesn't take 40 years to get to the Promised Land, you could walk round the entire planet in that time if it weren't for oceans. Akhenaten I guess died in Amarna of causes natural or otherwise. The priests wanted to get back to normality. They did that under Tutankhamun, his successor. Note Amun (Moon) and Aten (Sun). Lucky we even know anything about Akhenaten, as they tried to write him out of history. And if they had succeeded, the Bible Moses story would be the ONLY clue, but no one would have any way to determine that it was a clue, ie that anything fishy had been going on. Pretty darn amazing to invent monotheism, beating God to it, and then your 'establishment' turns against you for having abolished all their gods. To those who seek power, truth is an inconvenience.

Prof Tabor has an incredible knowledge and insight into these matters and I am delighted that he has taken the time to share this through all these videos.

Great work!!

Great info about Sidon and Jesus' visit there. This is the most informative video I have ever seen on U-Tube. TY Prof. Tabor.

I'm upset you pushed me away... what should I wriggt a book?

Very interesting information .

Fantastic. I am half way through your Jesus Dynasty book. When will the Mary book be available in the UK?

@kcvarkeyachan2699

Жыл бұрын

Itching to hear fables!!!

"Abdes" is supposed to be a Latinization of "Ebed" which is a Jewish name. That leads to the idea that J. Tiberius Abdes Pantera was actually a Jewish man who enlisted in the Roman Army. Times were hard in Roman occupied Israel, and young Ebed may have decided to put his archery skills to use by enlisting in the occupying army. He may also have been acquainted with a young Jewish girl by the name of Miriam. However, once Ebed enlisted in the army of the occupying country, he would have become persona non grata in Jewish society. Then, when young Miriam turned up in a family way, society naturally assumed the worst. Marriage to Ebed was out of the question, so Miriam's parents pawned her off to a much older carpenter whose wife had died.

@markrossow6303

Жыл бұрын

if Ebed and Miriam were married and Ebed either volunteered for the army or was enslaved & had no choice they would have logically divorced

@Isaac5123

Жыл бұрын

@@markrossow6303 what are you talking about?

@erikvanderheeg5729

5 ай бұрын

The name "Abdes" is actually Aramaic (meaning "servant" or "slave", which mean that the man may have been Phoenician or Jewish. Since the man was from Sidon, he may very well have been the former.

Mary is said to have been the daughter of the priest, Joachim. Joseph is said to have been an elderly widower, a tekton (laborer) of not much account. Now the question you need to ask yourself is: why is a prime young maiden of high social standing betrothed to an old geezer of much lower social standing? I draw your attention to MARK 6.03......."Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him." Now if you have noticed in your bible, it was the norm to refer to men as: "the son of XXXX". To do as these people did, indicates that his hometown neighbors knew, or at least believed, that he was not the son of Joseph. It seems likely to me that Mary was found to have "a bun in the oven" and for some reason, the father was not available for marriage, a difficult situation. Obviously none of the young men of the village are going to marry her, and without a husband she is open to being stoned to death as per Mosaic Law. But there is old Joseph who is open to the prospect of getting a fresh young wife, albeit a little used......a prospect he could never otherwise expected to have. A prime young maiden wedding a poor old widower is not something that would have been forgotten. Some claim that the divine birth story came from Mary. Maybe so, maybe so. You know something.........sometimes people tell a lie for so long, they come to believe it themselves.

Belief in a literal Hell is the ultimate perversion.

The prophecy of Simeon comes to mind...the miraculous birth of Jesus Christ is a sign that causes the rising and falling of many...and the thoughts of mens hearts to be known...merry Christmas.

@theCosmicQueen

Жыл бұрын

and in this case,the evil thoughts of evil men. Who don' t know God at all.

@kcvarkeyachan2699

Жыл бұрын

Amen

Did Jesus have a human father ? I suspect his father was a guy named Joseph, who happened to be the boyfriend of his mother. But because they weren't married, Mary made up the story that an Angel had done it.

@davidfrisken1617

Жыл бұрын

Or because so many great and powerful "historical characters" were previously "born of a virgin", giving the same to the new magical guy was designed to add more clout.

@tedgrant2

Жыл бұрын

@@davidfrisken1617 That too

@samuelarthur887

Жыл бұрын

There is no precedent in Jewish culture. How would Mary defend that?

@tedgrant2

Жыл бұрын

@@samuelarthur887 In Biblical times, people were quite happy to believe mental illness was caused by unclean spirits. And there are other examples in scripture of women having babies by magic tricks. (Genesis 18:14, 25:21, Judges 13:3)

@tedgrant2

Жыл бұрын

@@samuelarthur887 Sarah gave birth to Isaac (Genesis 11:30) Rachel gave birth to Joseph (Genesis 29:31) Hannah gave birth to Samuel (1 Samuel 1:5)

Thank you James great material here! It is interesting that the prophet Muhammad was an orphan and Jesus of Nazareth seems to also have had an absent father whether Pantera or some other man who was absent whether because of early death or scandal. The psychology of Jesus would be an interesting study on searching for a Father figure that will not fail. Not just a new earth and a new heaven is a motive but a new Father for religious motivation and inspiration.

@davidfrisken1617

Жыл бұрын

But how do you know any of that?

@michaelboano7183

Жыл бұрын

@@davidfrisken1617I am guessing that he hopes that lack of belief, faith and trust will not sink him

@7Truth7Wins7

Жыл бұрын

"Jesus of Nazareth seems to also have had an absent father" How do you figure ?, Joseph was His "earthly" guardian, NOT His biological father, and Jesus of course KNEW His Heavenly Father from Eternity Past at 12 years old.... "And He said to them, “Why is it that you were looking for Me? Did you not know that I had to be in My Father’s house?” (Luke 2:49)

@theCosmicQueen

Жыл бұрын

@@7Truth7Wins7 yes- the Temple in Jerusalem. His Father's House. Jesus proved His Divinity many many times. No MERE human can do or be what He did or be what He STILL IS. he lives and works miracles still today, i have had them. He raised me from the dead.Literally.

@kcvarkeyachan2699

Жыл бұрын

@@theCosmicQueen Would be interested to hear your story/ testimony!

We could be a team?

Interesting the idea that the father of Jesus was a Roman soldier. That MUST have been seized on for the plot of The Life Of Brian, in which Brian's father is a Roman soldier. (Possibly Biggus Dickus, but I would have to re-watch the movie to check.) Possibly even it strikes too close and that is why the movie raised the hackles of the intellectual Malcolm Muggeridge (who was apparently quite a clever guy, based on some excerpts I read from his autobiography, but was easily taken in by his own religious bias, eg claiming a nunnery was bathed in supernatural light, when in fact it was known that new experimental high-ASA film was used to film inside it). Anyway a number of separate clues were mentioned here and there, so surely any theologian would be able to put 2 and 2 together? So why don't they? Either there is evidence to the contrary. Or they do not WANT to put 2 and 2 together because it destroys a convenient cosy and very central feature of the religion, an inescapably fundamental tenet of the faith, without which it falls apart. One can imagine Muggeridge vehemently objecting to the idea of a non-virgin birth. (Or does it fall apart? Does anyone with a clue about science, and who has remained a believer, actually believe in a virgin birth?)

@zz3718

Жыл бұрын

The book of Isaiah is mistranslated to say "virgin" so they need a "virgin" birth for the prophecy to be "fulfilled". Admitting that this is an error is hard for many lay people. I've have read articles where clergy have admitted that it is an error but it means nothing. They it shouldn't take away from the hopefulness found in the story, etc. Basically perpetuate the lie because it makes people feel good.

@fcastellanos57

Жыл бұрын

I am versed in technology, and I believe totally what scripture says. Mary never had any sexual relations before Joseph because that is what she said to the angel that brought her the news of her pregnancy. I have 0 problems believing and accepting this. What is so difficult for the Creator to create His son in the womb of Mary when He has created the whole universe and all the life on earth?

@markrossow6303

Жыл бұрын

*Naughtius Maximus

@termikesmike

Жыл бұрын

Excuse me, where does Paul remind everyone about the importance of the “ Virgin Birth “ ? I’m a Baptist = NO Dogma necessary ! If U haven’t heard from the Holy Spirit then U ain’t there yet = belief in Popes and virgin births, and wine that turns into blood, and ‘baby sprinkles’ all “ proved bs “ btw How many here ’ believe’ that Baptists are Protestants ? Raise your hand …. that’s more of the same 'reality' U were taught. When you KNOW the Truth, The Truth will set you free ….

@justjesus4708

Жыл бұрын

@@fcastellanos57 EXACTLY !! Could not of said it better myself.

Reading the books of the New Testament, we probably asked ourselves more than once: *"Why 2000 years we do not see those miracles that accompanied the Сhurch of Christ in the I century, as described in the New Testament?"* Why do the so-called preachers of Christ have to prove that Jesus really existed and atheists boldly deny the historicity or divine origin of Christ? Maybe because the Сhurch of Christ has not existed for 2000 years? The Сhurch does not exist in the form in which it is presented in the books of the New Testament, but there are Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant and other christian sects claiming to be the place of the Church, but they not have the only thing that distinguishes the divine from the human and is characteristic of just the Сhurch of Christ -the reinforcement of the word with signs, that is, miracles (Mark 16:15-20). Therefore, some researchers doubt the historicity of Christ, and some of them are not opposed to declaring him a an ordinary philosopher, teacher. But even if Jesus were an ordinary philosopher, his disciples would be ordinary followers of Jesus. And they would not dare to write about the miracles that not only Jesus, but also his disciples, could perform. In this world, the great fertility of atheism can be explained by the fact that there is no main opponent of critics of the Bible - the Church. If there were the Church in our time as described by the authors of the New Testament books, where miracles are performed, the sick are healed, where prophesied, and the dead are raised, no one would doubt the historicity of Christ. Then there would be the same controversy throughout the world as in the first century - Jesus the Son of God or the false prophet who seduces the world by miracles. As a result, we can say that the emergence and development of christian sects and atheism was the result of the fact that over the 2000 years the Сhurch of Christ did not exist. Find *"The Mystery about the Church of Christ"* video on KZread. The video reveals the prophecy of the disappearance and reappearance of the Church of Christ before the End of the World. Watching this video will give hope to all who sincerely seek God and will interest those who are not too lazy to think freely. Click on my name to watch the video (The video is in Russian, but English subtitles are included).

@antonyillam6419

2 ай бұрын

We do have miracles done after Jesus for example Thomas, St Antony and many other saints. I don't get what you are trying to say.

So, Monty Python was right?

The Bibel itself never said God impregnated Mary. Gabriel told her she would become pregnant and her son would be extremely important. Honestly all of the supernatural bs in the bible is metaphorically speaking.

Excellent!!!

If Joseph was long dead? would he not have been described as son of Mary?

In the book of Philip. Mary of magdalas brother wrote Mary's curse meaning the emaculate conception. He knew mary personally

“Is there a potential coverup?” Uhhhhhh, Yes?!

Is there any archaeological evidence on Jesus' miracles

@edwarnock9884

Жыл бұрын

Read Josephus and what he had to say about Jesus, you'll be surprised. Josephus was not a Christian but a Jewish scholar and historian. He had "no dog in the hunt," yet he records that Jesus healed people and performed miracles.

@georgeelmasry9376

Жыл бұрын

@@edwarnock9884 are you marketing forgery?

@theCosmicQueen

Жыл бұрын

there is current medical evidence for His miracles he does today.

There was an expulsion of Jews from the Galilee in 4 bce? How was it possible that any of the early Christian movement happened if there were no Jews there at the time? I presume it was a partial expulsion. Very fascinating discussion.

Never let the truth stand in the way of a good story.. good for you! Be authentic and accept the results. I applaud the pragmatism in this man. Your not singing to the choir??? Are you okay 🥺

@wruff378

Жыл бұрын

And never let the truth stand in the way of Tabor's copious speculations.

@ChrisMusante

Жыл бұрын

@@wruff378 - don't worry... he will have a brand of ketchup named after him some day.

Genealogies in the gospels show Joseph to be Jesus father. Do you think these genealogies were constructs?

@Will2Wisdom

2 ай бұрын

Genealogies are full of lies, this whole reality is, why would this be left alone?

You pushed me away

T. Iulius Abdes Pantera was apparently from Sidon, so his name ‘Abdes’ is probably a graecised version of the Phoenician ‘Abd-Eshmoun’, ‘slave of Eshmoun’.

I already told the prime minister ......I stopped that war

if people believe sarah and abraham had isaac in her 80s by angels, why don't they believe Jesus was conceived by an angel ? so its all bs

Very interesting discussion. Keep up the good work, gentlemen

Matthew 10 does not contradict John 4. In John 4:4 it clearly states that they "had to pass through Samaria" on their way to Galilee. Not to mention that the disciples weren't "on their own". They were with Jesus and weren't preaching to anyone, just getting food.

Realistically , what do we know. I think we believe far more than we know

Well if he didn't how could he have existed?

When Jesus refers to his heavenly father's house he says the sky is his throne the earth his footstool, when he refers to the temple as his father's house,his biological father, as a child he tells his mother not Joseph, I must be about my father's work biological father.

Thank you

Joel 3:4 “Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head;”

Thank You

Of course he had a biological father, thats why the gospels begin with his lineage and trace it back to david, a requirement to be the messiah. The bible even mentions his brothers and sisters. The virgin birth was made up to legitimize the christians claim of divinity, similar to romulus, alexander the great, gilgamesh, sargon, ashurburnipal and julius caesar a pretty common theme amongst “divine” kings. I’m a devout christian and there is nothing wrong with acknowledging history, just focus on jesus’ works and message instead of his death and divine status, which after reading the golspels you will see he seemed to want as well.

I didnt understand. He think jesus was born in a virgin birth or not?

Anybody care to comment why ABSOLUTELY NOBODY finds it remotely conceivable that Joseph might have been responsible? When a women is murdered the husband is the first suspect - surely it should be the same for pregnancy? I am mystified by how you might regard your own children - but I will do my best to mind my own business.

I want to read his book about Mary! I've always had the interest and so little is known.

if Ebed + Mary were married, they would have logically divorced once he was press-ganged or enslaved into the army If Ebed was a relative of Joseph (& likely of Mary to), Joseph would likely not mind -- especially if Joseph was an older widower with children

Scrolls from phillip. And magdala.

I didn't know you existed when I came up with my name

I cannot even imagine the reward that has God waiting for you @james tabor. This way says our Lord Almighty, "..And I will come near you for judgment; I will be a swift witness, against sorcerers, against adulterers, against perjurers,..; For I am the Lord, I do not change; therefore you are not consumed, O sons of Jacob. Yet from the days of your fathers you have gone away from My ordinances and have not kept them. Return to Me, and I will return to you,” says the Lord of hosts. “But you said, ‘In what way shall we return?’ (Malachi 3:5-7

@Will2Wisdom

2 ай бұрын

There will be a reward for you as well

Is anything impossible for an almighty God?

Remember me?

Sumerian literature is where all faiths originated.

I was trying to find my blood line to see if dad was a loser when I found out about it then I actually identify found you...I was trying to discover who I am and where I came from

Simeon and anna knew ,john baptist knew, and jesus point it out throughout the gospels

Very interesting. Good detective work and commentary and opinions. Much later studies like Lourdes apparitions will reveal how Our Lady Mary said to the children in answer the question who was she ?, she said that she was the immaculate conception.

@busterbiloxi3833

Жыл бұрын

Lourdes is bunk.

@Chandransingham

Жыл бұрын

@@busterbiloxi3833 Where is the evidence for this, please? Scholars should follow historical critical method of analysis with a balanced epistemology.

@jerrybowin5951

Жыл бұрын

You were there? I wasn’t either.

@Chandransingham

Жыл бұрын

@@jerrybowin5951 Does it matter? We go by what is available and testimonies of reliable witnesses.

I have a question for Tabor. Can a 80 years women like Sarah get a baby or both babies belong to the young slave. In that case the Jews have to share with the Arabs the promise. Other questions: Was Abraham a man with mental issues who hear voices?

@brottley

18 сағат бұрын

there was no Abraham and Sarah, just like there was no Jesus and Mary

I figured out the number of the beast. . .and I figured out when you raise a man from the dead you have to die twice.. my name is parvin

If Jesus came from a virgin birth, how could he possibly have a biological father?

@theCosmicQueen

Жыл бұрын

he doesn't. He did so many miracles and still does, extreme miracles. THAT is why people bought in to Him being divine. HE PROVED IT.

@twitherspoon8954

11 ай бұрын

@@theCosmicQueen _"...he doesn't." False. The Bible makes it clear that a human descendant of David, not God, was the father of Jesus. The terms, "seed", "flesh", "root", "fruit of his loins", and "offspring" mean that Jesus was the biological son of Joseph. Matthew 1:1 "This is the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David." John 6:42 "They said, "Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, ‘I came down from heaven’?” Acts 2:30 "Therefore being a prophet [David], and knowing that God had sworn an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne." Hebrews 2:16 "For he [Jesus] took not the nature of angels, but the seed of Abraham." Acts 13:23 "Of David's seed hath God, according to his promise, raised unto Israel a savior, Jesus." Romans 1:3 "Concerning his son Jesus Christ, who was made of the seed of David according to the flesh." 2 Timothy 2:8 "Remember that Jesus Christ is the seed of David." Revelation 22:16 "I, Jesus have sent my angel to testify unto you these things in the churches; I am the root (progeny) and the offspring of David." John 1:45 “We have found the one Moses wrote about in the Law, and about whom the prophets also wrote; Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.” Matthew 9:27 "When Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him, crying, and saying, thou son of David, have mercy on us." Jesus had brothers and sisters (not half-brothers and half-sisters): Galatians 1:19 "I saw none of the other apostles--only James, the Lord's brother." Mark 6:3 "Is this not the carpenter, the son of Mary and brother of James, Joses, Judas, and Simon? And are His sisters not here with us?" Matthew 13:55-56 “Isn't this the carpenter's son? Isn't his mother's name Mary, and aren't his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? Aren't all his sisters with us?"

Please look up parvins English family crest.... I'm supposed to be French German russian....we had a Russian saint hood there someplace my dad and mom never knew my brother never knew we had Russian in is and paulus. There are 2

Very interesting! As for the reference to _Secret Mark_ and your personal conviction that Morton Smith did not "fake" it (of course the forgery could still be in play but by someoene else in distant past) , it would be wonderful to get your deep dive into the topic, because as far as I'm aware the case for forgery is pretty strong on many different levels (text character itself, context of discovery/"discovery", contents of text)

I'm confused why this theory is so threatening for people. Why can't God work and fulfill prophesies through ordinary occurrences? Believing some of the Bible's stories are meant to be read poetically, not literally, doesn't change anything in my opinion. It's how people of that time made sense of their world and remembered their oral traditions, by symbolic language.

@robschaller9061

Жыл бұрын

You dont understand the sacrificial system or WHY Messiah COULD NOT have a biological father. You see people who are blind can't even conceive that God created this universe and that his ways are higher than your ways. To people like you ONLY naturalistic answers are possible you try to reduce God into a small box, assuming you even believe in the concept of God

@toniangelo555

Жыл бұрын

You're pure and your faith is strong 🌅

@theCosmicQueen

Жыл бұрын

all you are saying is that you don't think God can or does anything supernatural or miraculous . wow. better not call yourself a christian then.

@dorianphilotheates3769

Жыл бұрын

Alyse Andrews - So, heads you win, tails we lose, eh?

@kcvarkeyachan2699

Жыл бұрын

Then how would he be called the eternal Son of God and the blemish less lamb of God?

Oh how we'd love to do a DNA on Jesus. What would we see? Oh I like this thought syream.

@theCosmicQueen

Жыл бұрын

you would see only his mother's dna.

@kcvarkeyachan2699

Жыл бұрын

@@theCosmicQueen search videos by Ron Wyatt and Jesus blood on the ark

If Annas was the father, he may have removed the body and put it in the family tomb so any bones of someone crucified, would probably be Jesus.

@Marabarra134

Жыл бұрын

maybe Pilate was the father and he stole the body and took it to Rome😂

Of course he did, His father was a Samaritan the Gospel of John 8 41 and 48 states his father was a Samaritan. It was common knowledge.

Did Jesus have a dad .?.sure..ask Joseph why the carpet was worn into Mary's bedroom ..

Everyone's trying to show they love him more it's me

After 600 yrs we find the indication of fornication in the surah Mariam when they said to Mariam , “ O sister of Aron! What did you do? Your parents were good persons.” Something like that and she asked them to ask the baby Jesus who the father is…! And then baby Jesus tells that is is the prophet of god ! Something like that!

The weightings. Of phillip and. Mary

Bro froze to death

All of us try showing who loved him most I say I do

When you made me think you loved him more I......I became upset

Remember turning me away

Jesus looks like Ben Simmons...

@theCosmicQueen

Жыл бұрын

no he does not. that dark pic of some guy , painted on an old tomb IS NOT JESUS ,and Jesus does not look like a stereotypical dark jew . people ahve seen him including myself, in a " near death experience" and he looks nothing like a dark jew. He is a light haired one. As there are many lighter ones, who don't look like a sterotype. people in the West don't know they are jews though , jus t by looking. But there are many and always were.

Sure. The Easter Bunny is J's dad.

Who is the father of Bob Marley

With my comment I do not want to offend or change anyone's faith. I was born in a Catholic family but as a child I never believed in the birth of Jesus, I did not want to question it out of fear and respect for elders. Now that I'm an adult I still don't believe in the idea of ​​the birth of Jesus. I know that an egg and a sperm are needed to form a living being. I turn it over and over and I still don't believe in the birth of Jesus according to the gospels. To add to this I also learned to say that in Hinduism also the birth of Krishna is similar to the birth of Jesus and Hinduism is older than Christianity. Also in the culture of the Mexican indigenous people, I think the Aztecs, they have a god who was born from a spirit. and they did not know Christianity when that happened. I think many people identify with me, many of us do not want to betray family beliefs but we also do not want to continue deceiving ourselves. Also many of us feel fear to question because the church tells them to believe, if not they go to hell. I also do not believe that a messiah will come to save us, I believe that the messianic era will arrive when we all learn to respect each other and stop trying to convince others of our belief. when we begin to share with those in need, and when we begin to accept each other without prejudice, Jews, Christians and Muslims. I believe that God formed us with the ability to respect and love each other. I believe that Jesus was a man of flesh and blood (not God) who wanted to teach us that message, he even said, "the kingdom of God is within us." Jesus never said he worshiped me and forgot the Father. I also don't believe that Jesus returns, and if by chance he returns, Christianity disappears because Christianity exists with the idea of ​​a Christian Jesus. I believe that if Jesus returns he will be a Jew like when he died, and he will continue to say, "love the Father with all your strength." Jesus would not understand what Christianity is because he did not know Christianity. Christianity is the theology of Paul of Tarsus. Well I have a lot more to say because I did my own research but this is enough and I want to remind you that I am not trying to change anyone's faith. I'm just trying to use logic. But the way greetings from a Peruvian guy.

Game over!

When it comes to healing, I have seen people healed who remained healed. One was a young woman who I had known for several years. She had polio as a young girl and one leg was about two inches shorter than the other. Every day I watched her get off the bus upon arriving at school, with some difficulty. Point is I knew her and her family fairly well. Yet an Evangelist prayed for her in the name of Jesus, and she was healed, so much so she had to take her shoes off to walk to her car. I know and will never be able to be convinced Jesus is anything other than what the Bible says He is. Mr. Tabor's theories are highly unlikely as he ignores the Jewish religious customs and Laws of the time. He reads a lot in between the lines that is not there. The Pharisees tried to buy off the Roman guards at the tomb to say his disciples took him while they slept, (a story they still claim to be true) and if you look closely at their history, persecuted Christians and ran a smear campaign against Jesus being "that prophet like unto Moses" or the "Son of God." Accusing Jesus of being conceived in an illegitimate manner was and has always been the number one accusation they make against Jesus. In fact, to this day the descendants of the Pharisees use His name as a curse word. They did all this in the face of evidence that Jesus was no ordinary man, He healed a blind man, "blind from birth" and the Pharisees called the man's parents to testify if he was born blind to which they replied he was, but they had no idea how it came that the man could see. They became so upset they threw the man who had been blind out of the temple, meaning he was cut off from Jewish worship. To discredit a person all that is needed is to create ideas and theories to muddy the waters so everyone will think "there is no way to know." Yet there is Saul or Paul who was so convinced after his Damascus Road conversion that he testified before Nero who Paul knew was likely going to have him put to death for that testimony of Jesus being a "Son of God." To Nero Jesus was at most just the son of a strange "non-Roman god" and at least just a man. If Paul did not believe it, he never would have staked his very life on it as did the majority of Jesus original disciples and the many who came afterward. If you are interested in viewing both sides of this subject check out the KZread channel messiah ofisrael. It is put out by Zev Porat, who was raised in the conservative rabbinical traditions. He brings many of these things out in the open.

@dakrontu

Жыл бұрын

It is curious how many people with one foot short are 'cured' by faith healers. In a room full of people requiring healing, the number of such people would be expected to be vanishingly small or non-existent and yet they show up regularly as a party piece. It is also curious that faith healers never go to hospitals to help out. Now why would that be? So sorry, I doubt your story. It is also extremely sad how many people 'cured' by faith healers give up their REAL medicines and treatments so that they die needlessly. And then there's the great excuse that is the basis of Prosperity Theology: If something bad happens to you, it is because you didn't believe strongly enough, pray enough, or give enough money to a wealthy pastor to help with the cost of his private jets.

@edwarnock9884

Жыл бұрын

@@dakrontu I realize that I can never persuade or convince a skeptic to change their mind, but if I can offer some evidence that can be explored by the skeptic who really has a desire to know both sides of the issue, then based on the actual documented evidence make an informed decision on their own, then I will do that. There is a book titled "The Case for Christ" by Lea Strobel an investigative reporter who set out to prove Jesus Christ as a fraud. It is a great place to start, he takes the reader down the path he took to "expose to the world the fraud of Christ." In his search he references many old texts from non-Christian sources. That could get someone started to be able to weigh for themselves the evidence. I realize you are a skeptic and at the beginning of that healing service so was I. I remember when the evangelist announced that there was going to be a healing service, my exact thought at the time was, "Yeah we'll see." On the heels of that thought was, "I don't know how this guy thinks he can tell God what to do." I was pretty much told by my parents that I had to attend this otherwise I probably would not have. But after seeing this young lady that I knew and was familiar with her physical condition, healed in such a way that there was no way it could have been faked, that changed my mind completely. Since then, I have seen an eight-year-old confined to a wheelchair get out of it and run for the first time in three years. Last I knew he was playing soccer in a boy's city league like many boys his age. A man that was told he had only a few months to live due to an advanced case of bone cancer that the doctors said was untreatable. He was prayed for, and he said he felt nothing and did not think anything really happened at the time. He was scheduled for a PET scan that next week to see how fast the cancer was moving and give doctors a better expectation of how long he might live. He went for the test and the next time I saw him; he told me the PET scan was run twice because they could not see any sign of the cancer at all. So, it is my belief Jesus still heals even today. What bothers me it this, Mr. Tabor is not really saying anything new this was said by the Sadducees and Pharisees during the time Jesus was here. They continued this "narrative" for over the past two thousand some odd years and still do, to this day. At Jesus trial they twisted about everything Jesus did and said to vilify Him. This is just more of the same, but Mr. Tabor comes out like he's discovered something new that has never been said before, and everyone swallows it hook line and sinker. If I had not seen with my own eyes, I would probably be right there with you. but I did see. One last thing there are people who have prayed for the dead to be revived and it did happen documented by doctors and police whose job it was to track such things. So, if someone really wanted to, they could search out the evidence on their own. But if they'd rather not even try, they could simply remain a skeptic. I refuse to let someone else do my thinking for me and tell me what to believe or not believe.

@mattcaruso2520

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for writing this out.

@calanm7880

Жыл бұрын

Awesome, her medical doctors will have been able confirm this comparing medical records to being supernaturally cured, and will have written papers covering this, likely taken up by further media. Can you point to this actual evidence? Because surely if this professional validation hasn’t been obtained then God is being robbed! Claims are cheap and frequent, actual verification is needed

@hermithefrog629

Жыл бұрын

If the pharisees tried to bribe the guards to go away but couldn't, why did the women not see any guards when they went to the tomb? Mathew is the only gospel that mentions guards of any kind.

Paulus was a soldier...a commander

One day when Mary was going to a market, she was about to be raped by a group of Roman soldiers, when Pantera, a Roman General and a member of the Essenes, came and rescue her. This is the beginning of Mary's relationship to him. When became pregnant, Joseph, being the leader of Essenes, take the responsibility so that Mary will not be stoned. To get a more info please dig out in the Bible the following points: 1. Why was Jesus brought to Egypt days after he was born? 2. Is Yeshua (Jesus) a legal name or spiritual name? Because it is a custom in a certain sect (before the time of Jesus and even today) to give spiritual name when entering, most especially, into a spiritual ministry. So what is the legal name of Jesus? His legal name once known, Jesus before his spiritual ministry, is not only a carpenter but a great builder (in modern times an Architect). He has a name in one of the temples built by Romans in Sidon as well as in Armenia where he and His mother was invited by the king so that Jesus may heal a child of the king. 3. Take a look on how the soldiers arrest Jesus, they are very cautious and show reverence to Jesus. 4. When Pilate before sentencing the crucifixion to Jesus, he asked him privately "Are you the son of God?". But looking at its original context Pilate asked Jesus "Are the son of Pantera?". That's why Pilate washed his hands and clearly in the Bible, he said he has nothing to do in Jesus crucifixion.

@AmmoDude

4 ай бұрын

Interesting take. Yes, wriggt a book! LOL

If Christ had a biological father then He'd be a "sinner".

@TadeoNguyenHoangDiep

7 ай бұрын

Ofcourse, Jesus Christ met John the Baptist, to be *abaptized* of him 🤫(even without above assumption).

@timothy4557

7 ай бұрын

@TadeoNguyenHoangDiep To "fulfill all righteousness." Christ was baptised for us.

The prodigal son just the wrong ending

I didn't go to college first church I wanted to do something for Jesus

Very long stretch of speculation. There were probably more than one man named Jesus in those times. It’s ok to ask questions don’t get me wrong but what is all this obsession about disproving the ability of a creator being to do miracles? Especially with Christianity. Unless you are trying to separate the person of Jesus of Nazareth including his teachings from Christianity and hence his followers from those earlier times? It seems to me that regardless of what you believe on different subjects if you lead a life following His teachings from the heart in a ll sincerity, you will be a better human being on this planet. By it’s fruits you will know if the tree is good or not. So the focus is wrong. Focus on the good rather than the bad. Focus on love rather than hate. Plant good trees…

A son of some soldier could not raise from the dead. That's more likely with a supernatural being.

I've been around kind and polite people before and they do use euphemisms. Not saying this was the situation, but I could see "child of God" being a euphemism for "illegitimate child", like someone could ask "who's the father" and they might say "oh, he's a child of God" , and they would say, "oh, I see" and it's understood. If someone said "you should be nice to him, he's a child of God" in this context understood to mean: "his life is hard enough. He has no earthly father. You should give him a break" but outside of this context could be misunderstood to mean he is a demigod or something, or that if you're not nice to him his father, God, will smite you.

@anarchorepublican5954

Жыл бұрын

the Talmud is not kind and polite toward Jesus nor christians...and "Yesu ben Pantera" is not a euphemism it is clearly meant as a direct insult...

@robschaller9061

Жыл бұрын

No, he was the Son of the Almighty. His birth, life, and death were all prophesied in the Tanakh.

@theCosmicQueen

Жыл бұрын

But that wasn't the case at all. Jesus did many extreme miracles with hundreds or thousands of witnesses, that is how they decided to follow Him- HE PROVED HIS DIVINITY . He is still doing it today, for instance He raised me from death as a child, and healed me instantly. many have had such experiences today. I have SEEN Him come down from the sky and do this. And He left walking at light speed about 50 feet up in the air, going across the air, to tend to his other needy " sheep" as He said.. (He is the good shepherd). He came in spirit, i know because my stepdad being evil and impure, could not see Him but could feel it when Jesus did somthing to him. But a pure innocent child, can see Him: " blessed are the pure in heart , for they shall see God" --- Jesus ( on the Mt of olives i think).

I loved him with all my heart

Invisible, sky-dwelling, super-beings that take attendance and grant wishes.

great discussion

I didn't know I was a brother Mr. Tobin...soon I'm checking to see if I have it in me... I believe DNA.......WILL FOLLOW THE SPIRIT

Ofcourse, it was Panthera. 🤗 Did you know he had blonde hair. 👋😊

NO HE DIDN'T, THERE YOU GO. STOP MISLEADING PEOPLE AND SHAME ON ALL OF YOU FOR AGREEING WITH THIS. AT THIS POINT YOU DON'T EVEN BELIEVE IN THE JESUS OF THE BIBLE, YOUR RELYING ON A MORMON JESUS THAT HAD A BIOLOGICAL FATHER. I WOULD BE CAREFUL BECAUSE YOUR PUTTING YOUR SALVATION IN A JESUS THAT NEVER DIED FOR US. THE MORMON JESUS WILL NOT LEAD YOU TO HEAVEN

I loved him the most

This is mine

2nd guessing. Allow me to enlighten you... "Because you listened to your wife." Shalom.

We do compete with each other like old times. I say we are already raised from death ...that 2nd death is coming

All those arguments were long, long ago discarded... Talmud doesn't say those things about Jesus from Christian faith, it's Jesus from hundret years apart, son of Pappos Ben Yehudah (from completely different time than Christian Jesus). "Yeshu" was a very popular name back then. Besides the Yeshu described in Talmud was hanged etc. Just silly theory for naive kids... BTW Pandera/Panthera was a very common name also among the romans, not a big surprise they've found a tombstone of one.

Rev. Moon has clearly taught; Jesus's father was Zechariah. Read it in the Bible.