Nearly 2000 years later and "people" are still holding on.

@xifangyangren9997

Жыл бұрын

Holding on by the skin of their teeth! Doo dah doo dah!

@70AD-user45

Жыл бұрын

@oscarballard7911 The end of the age means the end of the Old Covenant age. Fulfilled in 70 AD. I can't believe Tabor hasn't seen it yet. All things written in the law and profits have been fulfilled. We are no longer holding on. 1. End of the Old Covenant age of the Israel guided by Torah. Fulfilled. 2. Birth of the New Covenant age of the Church, guided by the Spirit. Fulfilled. 3. Parousia of the Son of Man. Fulfilled. 4. Judgement of apostate Jerusalem. Fulfilled. 5. Resurrection of the dead. Fulfilled at the end of the age.

“Jesus threw himself on the wheel of history and it lunged back and crushed him…” In the end, willingly or unwillingly Jesus forever changed history. Whatever we do with his story, or what others believed about him, will make or break our future.

As we all do, James has a belief system. @28:13 he states that “for all of us it will end when we die”. I have to wonder what he views our individual existence as. It would seem that he does not believe in reincarnation. I would like to know what an historian with his depth of research has come to believe in. That would be an interesting talk.

@johnmichaelson9173

Жыл бұрын

Go look at his website & read his blogs, then you'll know.

Thank you. I am going to order one of his books and read it. What a interesting man!

David Noel Freedman used to say that the obvious failure of prophecy in the OT is a mark of authenticity.

What an encouraging presentation of Jesus, Schweitzer, Crossan, and other's radical interim ethics.

The end of the age means the end of the Old Covenant age. Fulfilled in 70 AD.

@Marabarra134

11 ай бұрын

sure.... always twisting the narrative to mask the failure and Jesus is still coming back... soon🤫

We all know that Father Christmas lives at the north pole and he only comes once per year. So what puzzles me is, how does he know whether I am naughty or nice ?

@mickqQ

Жыл бұрын

It’s in his book … duh

@tedgrant2

Жыл бұрын

@@mickqQ Don't they have laptops in Lapland?

@mickqQ

Жыл бұрын

@@tedgrant2 Of course , That’s where the elves first invented them, laptops from Lapland, Santa is oldskool , plus his book is a magical book , that cannot be recreated in a laptop

@mooshei8165

Жыл бұрын

That’s why he’s always late for Halloween😂😂😂

@mickqQ

Жыл бұрын

@rboland2173 Well there are two schools of thought on that Some think he is can be omnipresent, everywhere at once Some think it’s the ability to read minds The people that think it’s mind reading are heretics, and we burn them

Perhaps another way to deal with Jesus and the Kingdom of God is to know that Jesus never predicted the coming of the kingdom as something visible and determined in the future- but talked about it as a spiritual realm, perceived by all who believe-NOW. Also - to understand that that the gospel quotes that are predictive - are later interpolations. Both Jesus’ teachings AND interpretations can occur in one Gospel chapter right next to each other - as in Luke 17. At first Jesus teaches of a spiritual kingdom that is not seen with physical eye - and then the kingdom is shifted as a physical kingdom. These are two opposing views, and only one actually belongs to Jesus.

@Tessinentdecken

Жыл бұрын

Do you know Magic Kingdom? 😅

@MBiernat0711

Жыл бұрын

@@Tessinentdecken what kind of question is that …. OF COURSE- I arrive there every holy day of the week - sometimes on the white clouds with Jesus, sometimes I hop in on the buraq with Muhammad lol 😂

@jamesdewane1642

Жыл бұрын

Right on, Sister! And sometimes with Krishna and sometimes on a medicine wheel! The one God is God of all and makes him/her/itself known in a limitless number of ways to any with eyes to see or ears to hear! Amen. Alleluia!

@Nexus-jg7ev

Жыл бұрын

The problem with Luke is that his account on Jesus' teaching on the coming kingdom of God comes to directly contradict what was said in the earlier Gospels. In Mark and Mathew Jesus clearly says that the disciples will SEE the kingdom come with full power before they taste death or that their generation won't pass before the Son of Man (the Messiah) comes with the kingdom. Luke seems to disagree and talks about a spiritual kingdom that is inside the disciples - that they can't see it. In John, Jesus goes even further to say that his kingdom 'is not of this world'. To me it seems very clear that the authors if John and Luke found the earlier predictive claims inconvenient because they did not materialize which damages the reputation of Jesus and the plausibility of his resurrection because the second coming was supposed to come back then not in the far future. Luke and John are trying to over up the issue. I am quite certain that they never expected their Gospels to be canonized along with the other ones and be readable next to each other. I think that Jesus really expected an imminent apocalypse and messianic age. The disciples expected it because they thought Jesus was the first fruits of the resurrection of the dead that marked the beginning of the messianic age and the coming kingdom. Of course, they thought that Jesus was the Son of Man and that he would come back very soon as he had promised. That didn't happen, though, so maybe he wasn't raised from the dead after all... I know that it's hard to allow for such thoughts but, please, consider the possibility of this being the case. If the kingdom was spiritual, Mark and Mathew would clarify it like Luke and John did. But in them it is understood very clearly as physical and visible. And very imminent.

@jamesdewane1642

Жыл бұрын

@@Nexus-jg7ev I think you're absolutely right about the message of the kingdom being an internal spiritual reality in Luke and John. My only quibble would be to add Mark to that camp, though most people don't seem to read it that way. Some standing here will not taste death... before they see Jesus transfigured. But later, all these things will have taken place before this present generation has passed away. I believe the author chose to change the wording because he was not talking about death; more like a reference to the souls of that generation. It's longer than I can put here, but Mark 13 looks very anti-apocalyptic to me while using apocalyptic imagery.

Great episode. Thank Mr TABOR GOD Bless

The " End of the Age " in the new testament bible is simply referring to the end of the Kingdom of Judea era of which did end with the destruction of the temple, and Jerusalem culminating around year 70 AD - ." And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number Six hundred threescore and six. " ( Revelation 13:16-18 ) "Okay after Judea fell to Titus of Rome, many Israelites were taken as slaves and stripped of their previous titles, estates, as it says rich, or poor, free or bond, all were branded both on the right hand, or on their foreheads to distinguish them from Roman citizens, which was common practice for the Roman army. The Beast simply means Emperor of Rome which in this case is Nero. The number 666 (DCLXVI ) is simply the date year 66, 6th month, Nero ( first beast) as well 666 also may have been used on the marks either tattoos or coins as the date officially the Jews were deemed full property as slaves of the Roman Empire, and the end of the age of Judea. ( Similar like how 911 is used today after a tragedy - marker in time for Bin Laden )

@HistoryandReviews

Жыл бұрын

Wrong

@soleraknight

Жыл бұрын

@@HistoryandReviews " Wrong " is a weak answer when all of history, and arachnology disagrees leaving you with the fake news of the day, myth and total ignorance

@HistoryandReviews

Жыл бұрын

@@soleraknight youre just making excuses for why your guy never returned 😂

@soleraknight

Жыл бұрын

@@HistoryandReviews Our gals/guys return with every single birth of a human being upon this beloved Earth!

@cathyallen3967

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for explaining the mark. I have often wondered what it meant back then. Eye opening.

Wish he was my Sunday School teacher. Thanks for the content.

@rinkevichjm

Жыл бұрын

You don’t need aSunday school teacher.you need a priest. These things take place everyday in the Divine Liturgy. He is not much of a historian actually a poor historian.

@arnulfo267

Жыл бұрын

He's not a religions person. He's an agnostic biblical scholar.

@joetaylor1976

Жыл бұрын

@@arnulfo267 That's the point.

@arnulfo267

Жыл бұрын

@@joetaylor1976 So why would you want him to be your sunday school teacher? He's not going to enriched your faith. He will tear your faith with his agnostic scholarship.

@joetaylor1976

Жыл бұрын

@@arnulfo267 Because we need to look at the Bible honestly.

It's a great pleasure listening to Dr. James Tabor..

Tabor makes amateur mistakes which is odd for someone with such training, resources and experience with the text. Heiser has a similar pattern that persists over many years. This shows, again, even $cholars can be misguided and in turn misguide their followers filling them with a false sense of knowing. “The kingdom is at hand” is a misleading translation and should more accurately say, “is near.” Elsewhere we see this refers to the authority of the kingdom manifest through the works of the Spirit, healing and raising the dead, etc. not the physical, visible kingdom.

@AllOtherNamesUsed

Жыл бұрын

Christ indicated to the disciples they would not be alive when He comes as the Son of Man in glory (not as in the transfiguration with the two witnesses as seen in the vision on the mountain fulfilling the preceding verses about ‘some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming, etc’). For instance in Mat 24 He gives the key sign by which we will *know* His return is near (“summer” is mentioned which may indicate Rosh Hashanah and corroborates with Paul’s association of Christ’s coming at the last trumpet blast on Rosh Hashanah when the resurrection occurs and Daniel 2 mentions summer when the statue in Neb’s dream is shattered all at once by the stone (Messiah) out of heaven striking the feet) which is the regrown fig tree which is the temple ministry back in operation (the rabbis are awaiting the prophet Elijah to start this) working their fruitless works. This goes without saying that the temple was to be destroyed again before it is rebuilt again before His return. Know the lesson of the parable: after cursing the fruitless fig tree causing it to wither, Christ entered the temple and threw out the money-changers and merchants (‘buying and selling’) and told the leaders the kingdom was taken away from them and given to a people bearing its fruit. So Christ gives this sign as an obvious indication of knowing of His soon return to set up His kingdom on earth, but then in Acts 1.7, just before being taken up to heaven, He tells the disciples they will NOT know the times or seasons of when He returns to set up the kingdom which indicates that they will not see the regrown fig tree (the temple ministry back in operation) because if they did see it then they would know. Edit, more info: _"And Jesus entered the temple and drove out all those who were BUYING AND SELLING in the temple"_ (Mat 21.12) In Revelation 13 we have the second beast/false prophet who comes imitating the signs of Elijah to do 3 important things the rabbis expect Elijah to do: 1) Renew the Sinai covenant marriage sealing the congregation with the (false) mark of the Name of God in the forehead and hand in dedication of thoughts and works through the Aaronic Benediction (Mark of the Beast) as symbolized by the tefillin worn over the head and hands as said in the Shema prayer with the name Shaddai (a name for the Holy Spirit) marked on them 2) Restore the sacrifices which only those in the covenant could participate in with the money-changers and merchants Yeshua threw out (buying and selling); 3) Regather and number the tribes in a census as in the books of Numbers and Ezra by heads of family names using the same language in Rev 13 (number of names/number of men). These are expected by the rabbis for Elijah to perform before the arrival of their (false) messiah who will enforce the Sinai covenant marriage in defiance of the new covenant marriage announced by Jeremiah who said it would not be like the one at Sinai (Jeremiah 31). Hence, the law is for the lawless (1Tim 1.9) and we know the false messiah is also called the lawless one (2Thes 2.8). It’s no coincidence in Revelation the harlot comes riding on a red beast in the wilderness (the Temple Institute in Jerusalem is preparing a red heifer sacrifice outside the city/in the wilderness to bring back the temple ministry in accordance with Torah instructions) and she is arrayed in the colors and jewels describing the high priestly garment from Exodus 28.4-11. All the nations/waters will gather to her in false worship as they did at the tower of Babel. It seems a traumatic global crisis is being engineered to ‘bring the world together’ and destroy the west/Christianity (well underway now); undermining the most articulate opponent of the renewal plans for the Sinai covenant/laws, Paul, is why the anti-Paul campaign is in full swing now.

@AllOtherNamesUsed

Жыл бұрын

The statement of coming quickly/swiftly (like lightning per Mat 24.27) at the end of Revelation (22.20) is stated in the future temporal context of the Lord's Day per Rev 1.10, when the signs of His coming have occurred. Peter's second letter gives a big hint of Christ's return coming 1000s of years into the future from when he wrote citing 'a day as a 1000 years to the Lord' regarding when He returns, and reminds his readers of the Mt of transfiguration vision (fulfilling the preceding verses that some standing there would see Him coming as the Son of Man in glory') which all 3 synoptic gospels are careful to indicate happened after 7 days -- or 7th millennium if a day is as a 1000 years.

@AllOtherNamesUsed

Жыл бұрын

Re “This generation shall not pass until all these things take place” (Mat 24.34) Many have fumbled over the interpretation of this statement to indicate the timing of when Christ would return but it can be shown from the scriptures that Christ was not using it in this manner or to indicate He would return in the generation of the first century to whom He was directly speaking to, rather it appears He was quoting the beginning of a biblical verse (“This generation..”) that provides more background information on the end of the age before He returns as opposed to the end of the age they were still living in while the temple still stood followed by the time of the Gentiles in which we are still living, cf Luke 21.24. The questions of the disciples in Mat 24.3 regarding the sign of Christ’s coming and the consummation of the age was asked in a way that assumed Christ would set up His earthly kingdom at the end of their contemporary age after the temple would be destroyed as He had just mentioned; see Acts 1.6 where the disciples were still under this impression and had not yet received a fuller understanding of these things as later taught in Peter’s second letter, and others elsewhere in the New Testament. However, Christ’s answer to the disciples provided information on both ages ending (one in 70 AD, one future) which have overlapping details, including the temple and city to be destroyed by armies, but they also have differences: there was no idol/abomination in the holy place that led up to the desolation in 70 AD as there will be in the future per Mat 24.15 cf Dan 11.31; 9.27; 12.11. Note: many point to Antiochus IV Epiphanies’ desecration of the temple in the 2nd century BC as a fulfillment of some or all of Daniel’s prophecies of the abomination of desolation, however this cannot be the case by definition because there was never any desolation - a destruction to ruins - as a result of what this Gentile leader committed like there was with the first two desolations of the temple and city as a result of what the leaders of Judah committed. Compare Matthew chapter 23 for the 8 woes pronounced to the leaders of Judah by the Messiah - none of which describe an idol or abomination of desolation as a reason - leading up to the statement, “Behold, your house [ie, temple] is being left to you desolate!” (Mat 23.28). This temple desolation happened 40 years later in 70 AD. The similarities between the second and future third temple destructions at the end of their respective ages are similar to the way the first and second temple have similarities surrounding them when they were destroyed including on the same calendar day (9th of Av). “That which has been is that which will be, and that which has been done is that which will be done. So there is nothing new under the sun.” (Ecc 1.9) Likewise, the future 3rd temple destruction has similarities with the first destruction especially the surrounding events and details described by Ezekiel, including abominable idolatry even within the temple grounds leading to its desolation/ruin (Ezekiel 6.11-14 and Ch 8; cf Rev 13.14-15). Now the old testament verse Christ cited in Mt 24.34 does not indicate the timing of His return, nor does the chapter it is found in, and it does not support the idea that it is referring to the generation in the first century when He spoke the words in Mat 24.34. Such time indicators or signs of the last generation are given in other statements Christ made including later statements from the apostles. These statements will not be the main focus here but rather it is the clarification of the statement, “This generation shall not pass..” (Mat 24.34). [...] it should be understood that the word “generation” may also refer to a race or quality of people, not necessarily a time period. Bauer-Danker Greek-English Lexicon for 1613 “γενεὰ” has entry 1. “those exhibiting common characteristics or interests, race, kind..” Thayer’s Greek Lexicon also says, “that which has been begotten, men of the same stock, a family.” --Snippet from a blogpost too long to post here in full, linked atop my channel.

@AllOtherNamesUsed

Жыл бұрын

_And their dead bodies will lie on the street of _*_THE GREAT CITY_*_ which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified._ (Rev 11.8). _The woman [Babylon per 17.5] whom you saw is _*_THE GREAT CITY_*_ which reigns over the kings of the earth._ (Rev 17.18). _”And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints and of all who have been slain on the earth/land.”_ (Rev 18.24) _”Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her!”_ (Mat 23.37) _for your [Babylon’s] merchants were the great men of the earth, for all the nations were deceived by your “PHARMAKEIA”_ (Rev 18.23) It’s no coincidence in Revelation the harlot comes riding on a red beast (the Temple Institute in Jerusalem is preparing a red heifer sacrifice to bring back the temple ministry) and dressed in the colors and jewels describing the high priestly garment from Exodus 28.4-11. Look up Jerusalem Post 2017 article that lets the cat out of the bag that Israel will be the capital of the nwo, titled “Israel and the unexpected new world order” All nations (‘waters’ are nations/peoples as explained in Rev 17.15) will gather to where she sits in false worship as they did at the tower of Babel, but first a traumatic global crisis must be engineered to ‘bring the world together.’

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

oh it's an invisible return lol sure thing pal. wanna buy some stock?

Interesting. Sounds as if you are fascinated but are not in the end a believer?

@ChristopherCudworth

Жыл бұрын

What does being a “believer” really mean?

Many fundamentalist say that kingdom prophecy was fulfilled as the church which was established at Pentacost.

@doug7180

Жыл бұрын

You are supposed to witness against anti christ when he shows up on earth. That will occur at Pentecost. You will witness against him or worship him if you are deceived with strong delusion.

Dr James.. I can't thank you enough for the paradigm shifts you have initiated in me.... used to hate Paul.. now I feel bad for him. Used to think the book of John was written 60 years too late and then you find the location John (the immerser) and Jesus used because of it. Heck you even found where the people that hid the dead sea scrolls pooped! Really glad to have found a scholar like you to mess up all of my biases.

Love me a Dr Tabor video. I’ve been enjoying the things he’s hanging on his channel as well. Keep it up Derrick.

It depends on one’s point of view of ancient texts and history. By contrast, Dr. Tabor is never wrong by any standard! Dr. Tabor rules!

@cynthiaterrell7290

Жыл бұрын

Oh yes 😮

@neclark08

Жыл бұрын

...ohh, be Mindful, Xifang Yangren, of asserting that Any Human Being is "Never Wrong" -- that's how Cults (like the Manson Family, the People's Temple, the Branch Davidians -- and early Xtianity) started...

@cynthiaterrell7290

Жыл бұрын

@@neclark08 truly a Man ought not to think too highly of anyone Reason being is , humans who do not serve the most high are on a path that leads to hell on earth We make everything a G-d There’s a thin line between being a humble servant ,yet be a narcissist as well The minute we think we’re humble, we’ve lost all our humility We mustn’t elevate Men too much As it can be dangerous for them The fall is not worth it And we’re back to square one again It’s just so hard not giving honor where honor is due Please don’t put me on s pedestal, ever It’s just not worth it

@cynthiaterrell7290

Жыл бұрын

James Tabor is one of my favorites of all time

@Lingchow1

Жыл бұрын

He's off..just by the way he's discussing the subject I can tell.

Im a firm believer there is 3 world ages. We are currently in the 2nd one.

I feel that Mr Tabors peaceful and utterly respectful demeanor towards the gospels, Jesus and religious beliefs is where it’s at For me Derek maybe should have learned some of these things off camera for a much longer time before presenting any of them. Although I understand that IS was makes his podcasts compelling. But he’s got a long way to go tempering his emotions about religious beliefs as he is sometimes being outright disrespectful. Like in the beginning of this interview asking Mr Tabor if he should be called “The King of the Jews” Clearly Mr Tabor was not amused by that because he has a profound respect for spirituality in whatever form it takes on Derek is clearly still wrestling with all of this information, albeit creating a podcast and having incredible scholar guests is great way to direct this passion. However, he has a lot to learn from these respectful scholars, even just on a professional or diplomatic level, as he can come off as arrogant, unprofessional, immature, disrespectful, rude and obnoxious on his channel All good, if that’s what he’s going for, but if he approached these topics in less emotionally biased way he could be reaching a larger audience and getting this information “out there” in a much more constructive and respectful manner

The achilles hill...listen to the lawl

I really enjoyed the view on interim ethics, very interesting 👍

I bet there were some angry people, about the whole don’t get married thing

Tabor is amazing. As he “retires” I just hope he talks more.

No Jesus and his followers were not incorrect about the end of the age, Jesus was 100% accurate it’s our understanding of the end of the age that’s been lacking.

@GravityBoy72

Жыл бұрын

"Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place". So Jesus was incorrect. Bring on the twisty turny reasons why he was actually right.

@lemnisgate8809

Жыл бұрын

@@GravityBoy72 he was 100% correct, since you obviously don’t believe and want to be condescending about it, you can remain in the dark.

@GravityBoy72

Жыл бұрын

@@lemnisgate8809 Did the generation pass? Did these things come to pass? Nope.

@lemnisgate8809

Жыл бұрын

@@GravityBoy72 Yes they in fact did.

@GravityBoy72

Жыл бұрын

@@lemnisgate8809 So... the end times have happened then. I must have missed it.

The good guys win, on another dimension (God's presence).

No. Otherwise I wouldn't be here on EARTH in reperation for judgement. I AM THE LIGHT🌟 get ready, it's coming.

Dr. Tabor, I think your analysis of the biblical apocalyptic literature reflects a certain measure of ignorance of the accurate prophetic expectations of Christ's followers!

This discussion doesn’t make too much sense. The NT says VERY CLEARLY that the Second Coming of Jesus i.e. the End of the Age, was to take place in the lifetime of Jesus’ followers or the next generation at the latest. So the answer to the title question is - Yes, they were wrong, definitely wrong.

@johndefalco7454

Жыл бұрын

No they weren't wrong, they only hope for the Kingdom to come. Jesus said very clear that only God knew the end if time. I don't see any reason to debate about it

@jerzysedziak9699

Жыл бұрын

@@johndefalco7454 It only shows how poorly you know NT. Yes, only God knew the exact time, but this event was to happen in the lives of early christians. It is confirmed by these passages: 1 Thess. 4:15-18; 1 Cor. 15:51-52; Matt 16:28.

@johndefalco7454

Жыл бұрын

They were wrong totally wrong. However Jesus was not wrong when he said he didn't knows the exact time, because only God knew the day and then hour. Since we aren't in capacity to predict what God is going to do or not, any body with a bit of common sense and brain can understand how difficult it will be to forecast God behavior.

@jerzysedziak9699

Жыл бұрын

@@johndefalco7454 So after reading these passages you finally agreed with me that the early christians were wrong expecting the Kingdom of God to come in their life-time or the next generation. Good step. But how could you miss the fact that in Matt 16:28 Jesus makes the same wrong prediction as Paul. He didn’t give, to be true, an exact date, but says very clearly that the coming of Kingdom is imminent. Still unconvinced? Read more passages: Mk 1:15; Matt 10:7; Matt 24:34; Mk 13:30; Lk 21:32.

@johndefalco7454

Жыл бұрын

@@jerzysedziak9699 Yes, but God had more ambitious plan. You see if Jesus return in the first century his followers would be a few thousand. Today 2 000 years later his followers are 2 billion! So God prefer more people for his kingdom.

Sounds like another whole pile of contrivance to me.

Great discussion Derek and Dr Tabor! 🎉

@JamesTaborVideos I know you are very busy but any word on a date for your Restoring Abrahamic faith update?

NO

End of many kingdoms & empires have occurred, 300,000 people on average die every day, so many ends. U & I too shall die, some from old age other by terrible illness, wars, murders, suicides etc etc Now go figure...

Thanks to James and Derek for this wonderful presentation. I have two questions : - does anyone know the title of the Crossan book James refers to at about 25.30 ? - is James still a practising Christian ? Thank you.

@kbblaze9371

Жыл бұрын

A practicing Christian? By whose definition? By his definition or by any of the scores of definitions from the fragmented church in the USA today?

@johnmichaelson9173

Жыл бұрын

Tabor talks & teaches about the historicity of the stories & the meaning of what's written. He's not talking about the Bible being real life. Tabor doesn't believe in the virgin birth or the resurrection etc but he will happily talk about the myths. Meaning who, why & when they were written.

@jamesdewane1642

Жыл бұрын

@@johnmichaelson9173 Much like Jesus'baptism, you can see the story of the virgin birth morphing through the gospels. In Mark, the phrase "birth pangs" appears in ch 13, and the birth it refers to is the Son of Man coming on the clouds with great power and glory later in the chapter. It's the Christ birthed in you, in my opinion, and thus has nothing to do with sex. Then that idea of the Christ born virginally gets transferred into Mary in Matthew, and Luke figures, hey, why not make John the Baptist his cousin so I can write a bunch of pretty things all around that interaction? The gospel of John puts the Christ present at the creation, so Mary doesn't fit in the narrative anymore, and she's out again. I think Tabor probably would agree with me, but 99% of this audience would flip out of he said it plainly like that.

Yakah, was a black Jew, Prophet, who prophecied, about t he End of the Jewish, Society.

no they are going to be absolutely right,they spoke of future events,in a way that seemed present time.But when the time of fulfillment comes they will be perfect.

Jesus said many will be deceived. Do you follow the word of God or man? Jesus said this generation shall not pass until all be fulfilled. Mt24:34. Did Jesus mean that generation would not die? Of course not. Now read Mt12:41-41 The men of Nineveh and the Queen of the south shall rise (Resurrect) in THE JUDGMENT with this generation. When Jesus said SHALL NOT PASS. He was talking about the SECOND DEATH, the lake of fire. Rev20:14:15. These teachers have no spiritual understanding. 1Cor2:13 To God be the Glory

Interested in reading the debates Camble debates with the millerites

Theblack Jews, experienced the Ènd, with the Great Tribulation, ìn 70CE.

We can have on this planet a new earth and a new heaven. All we need is a black hole near by, to take us to other Universe. In fact we have a potential black hole on our system, we call it the Sun. Jesus never said he knew about when the end of time will happen. He said ' Only God the father knews.

@arnulfo267

Жыл бұрын

But Jesus did think that the end would happened in his lifetime. He told his disciples that some of them would not taste death until the end came.

@doug7180

Жыл бұрын

Stop listening to James Tabor he skips scripture disproving his piont.

@johndefalco7454

Жыл бұрын

@@doug7180 A few friends of mine asked me to listen to his crazy way of analysis about religion. At first I said to myself " He is a professor" after listening to the channel,I came to the conclusion his mind is not all there, perhaps age or something wrong. Most of his analysis are nonsens.

@doug7180

Жыл бұрын

@johndefalco7454 I will destroy it with fire this time. Not water. From the sun. In the Bible to references are made. One is speaking of the Son, and the other uses Sun to mean what his power is he uses. Proving who controls the cosmos. Then every knee will bow rich poor and everyone will know the lord by the brightness of his coming.

@johndefalco7454

Жыл бұрын

@@arnulfo267 Yes but God has others more ambitious plan. You see, if Jesus come back in the first century, his followers would be a few thousand. Today 2000 years later his followers are 2 billion!

Dr Tabor: The Boss. Thanks so much Dr Tabor and Derek for the upload.

Book of revelation have nothing to do with Jesus teaching, but its true, this is the twelve millennials Sun micro nova in a cycle that humanity had to live three or four times ago, but this knowledge went so much centuries, generations of Wisdom counting time, Noah Event, at the middle cycle, creating a big doubt in the calendar of the next end of the world, that we are actually just recovering by Science, the truth about that. But WHAT Paul describes show compared to what we now know, the thes signs in the sky and celestial things are just a description of what we WILL see, because every cycle Earth is in a magnetic blow up by plasma, Sun will be at this time some red star projecting plasma like the Rio de Janeiro Christ, his hands like the sign of God. So for me at this knowledge I Have of the Real, I woul say, Paul Heard about the calendar the Sages had counted along the Weeks of Millennials, certainly the count had lost precision, as Wisdom were killed by the power of kings in Mesopotamia, but, Paul was telling this story, certainly this was more clear for him than for Jesus. But now we know the fact Paul was thinking about, and I understand that FAITH is the best way we are living in as Christians, to mentally prepare the next end, wich is only the beginning of the next Era coming! Our ancestors, twelve millennials ago, were that new Era, and they began trying to put the tri-function in place, Wisdom, Warriors, Producers, A Platon tried to explain it as a political thing, wich was wrong, but he was right that anyone can enrich against other, and All the Good's Wisdom and knowledge came from that, being killed by power taken by kings, power philly, making wisdom warrior some soldiers at their hand. Then you return for why God will make Apocalypse, will wash all those who taken that power. The real facts had served a way to teach Wisdom in Faith for average people. Judean people are historically the encounters from Egypt and Mesopotamia, two very old culture that went through the Flood, having to deal with the end of Era idea, beginning the Wisdom Era, but always perverted by those who want to take power over the Wisdom.

@patriciaoudart1508

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I would add something, I'm not the only one knowing what's coming. We are in a scientist minding, not apocalyptic, fear don't change the danger, and yes we are in faith, everyday we must walk with the idea of life, wisdom, acts, going on the road without end. The goal in a celestial event is to survive, not to die, that Humanity, the Goods, will have to start a new pure world, emptied of what is the sorcery of this actual world. Being alive need a body, that's what is our mission, being ready for the next Humanity, the next Nature on Earth, not reproducing the errors of the past. My message can be read by the globalist order, anyway it's for All of Us. They thought that the End was for two centuries, then, the count went down as knowledge of the event were drawn more precisely by scientist, particularly best knowledge of the cosmos rules, satellites captors, geomagnetic changes in the solar system going faster, wich tell Us a date more precise. So they are in the same Arch that Us.

I’ve never heard of a prophecy coming true, except for after the fact.

@scambammer6102

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is that a joke?

@sorenaleksander2670

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Prophecy Class is Cancelled Today Due to UNFORESEEN CURCUMSTANCES

@djpodesta

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@@sorenaleksander2670 And that is another ‘after the fact’ fulfilled prophecy… 👍😄

@djpodesta

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@@scambammer6102 Should it be?

@sorenaleksander2670

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@@djpodesta It SHOULD have snowed last Tuesday, but it still might next Thursday

The prophecy didn’t fail. The Christian Revelation or the Parusia is an individual experience of salvation which is Union with God. After this vision you live on a new earth and a new heaven with is the world of God. That God is everywhere and fills all things and the earth is filled with His Glory. This vision is the goal of every serious Christian. It is definitely the goal of the orthodox monk. But the secret of the Second coming is that He is YOU You sleep... Wake up!!

All this complicated fantasy plot they concocted 2000 years ago, maybe they had too much time on their hands?

The end times did happen soon ,70AD by Titus.

Well done! I'm sure there are some who do not recognize this video as satirical exaggeration. In any case, very amusing! Comedy Gold! Keep it up! 👍🏼

@richardprofit6363

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Thanks for trying to help us lower beings, O Wise One..your intelligence is truly magnificent, almost incomprehensible in fact..how can you stand to live among us ?

Yep Jesus and Paul both wrong. Both mortal men full of faults n flaws like all of us.

It's all just a giant fairy tale. You might as well believe in Jack and the Bean stalk.

@richardprofit6363

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Could ya stop insulting those who see things differently?? Why are you watching this- just hoping to find another little problem with the Bible you can use in your next tirade against religion ? Your manner of expression does NOT convey a concern for your fellow man's welfare- so why do you care if someone believes in God? Are you really trying to help, or do you just LOVE to argue like Hitchens and Dawkins? I can see inconsistencies in the Bible- it's been translated and edited- but truth is still found in it(and in Hinduism, Islam, Taoism,Etc)..and that truth is (to my mind) far more useful than atheism/"scientific" materialism- which offers nothing but negatives (and that glorious system called communism-which has murdered 10's of millions...)

@johnmichaelson9173

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But that's what Tabor & Lambert are saying. They're simply talking about the stories & myths, they know it's not real but it fascinates them because so many people believe it's real & consider it the infallible word of God.

@jamesdewane1642

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The way that damn giant ignored his wife! Eating and drinking till he fell asleep at the table every time! If it hadn't been Jack, she sure as heck would have found a way to get that insufferable harp out of the house one way or another! She wanted him to go to work like a real man and raise up some kids with her, and not just wait around for gold to come dripping out of a goose! I think the goose was about usury. Excellent story, Jack and the beanstalk. I bet they could slip it in right after the book of Ruth or add it to Lamentations maybe.

If things do not happen as expected then people have to re-evaluate their understanding of Scripture on that basis. That is the quest that we are on. We are not left desolate, because the Spirit of God is a constant living presence in our lives. Who is complaining that the world did not end when they thought it might? Do they want the world to end? What madness is that? The 'coming of the son of man' is the most pertinent prophecy and who can say when that will be? Then maybe, the world we have known will come to an end and a new world will come into being.

@nonomnismoriar9051

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"Do they want the world to end? What madness is that" This shows you are disconnected from its real historical context. It wasn't some suicidal death wish. It was a hope for the imminent and decisive action of God in the world, to vanquish all evil powers and set up a godly kingdom. This is not even remotely uniquely Christian. This was mainstream Jewish opinion at the time, as we have found out in the 20th century extensively by discoveries totally independent from Christianity.

@nickg5010

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@@nonomnismoriar9051 Even so, people should be careful what they say. I have heard 'end of the world' talk removed from all and any context and this is where my criticism is aimed. If they mean something else, they should make it clear that it is the beginning of something not the end of everything. Also you have people out there who think they can survive anything - including death and apocalyptic endings.

@nonomnismoriar9051

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@@nickg5010 Oh yeah I'd definitely be with you on opposing reckless policies, including first and foremost (but not limited to) trying to trigger a big military crisis, based on the assumption there will be a magical intervention, whether after enormous suffering or not.

@richardprofit6363

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@@nickg5010 we all survive death..check out some of the many NDE videos

@patriciaoudart1508

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For centuries, there is a move for new times to come, rebuilding the temple, a new humanity, but those who made that, think the human is bad by Nature, so they built a big global system, using lies, manipulation, because of this bad Nature. They used the people's perversion to take power on the globe, sex and money, and they themselves became the baddest sorcery in our perverted world. Is there a solution to wash that out?..I have not the answer, Nature have one, and they know it. So they think they can pass through the end of the world, over Nature and God Is, and being themselves some little gods, creating a new paradise, seems to me it is more a babel tower's blood line, than a David one's

Dr. Tabor, have you done any study on Mormonism? Particularly Joseph Smith’s revelations that align with Enoch before it was found and translated?

Interesting + plausible historical understanding

More misleading intellectual miasma. “The Second Coming” is about the resurrection of Christ consciousness INSIDE US, not an historical event. Recommend The Second Coming by Yogananda. Tabor knows Christ s purportedly Apocalyptic words were a metaphor interpreted through the centuries and by original “Christians” . For a smart guy, professor, biblical scholar Tabor must know this??

For me, the book of Daniel is false prophecy. And because of that book, the new testament folks believed that the end would come. But it never did.

@corruptauthor

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The problem is what is the end? It's a Jewish book by Jewish prophets about Jewish kingdoms. The end did come. The end of Jerusalem and all Judea. Its not the end of the world. It's the end of the temple age.

@nonomnismoriar9051

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@@corruptauthor No it isnt . Stop using silly full preterist excuses.

@corruptauthor

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@@nonomnismoriar9051 yes it is. That's why Christians have to make up a third temple being built and destroyed. Revelation says don't seal this book up. The time is at hand. And countless others scriptures you ignore to make the Bible about you today instead of about the people who wrote it when they wrote it.

@nonomnismoriar9051

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@@corruptauthor You seem to be under the misapprehension that I'm a "futurist". I am not. I consider both of your positions equally foolish and intellectually dishonest.

@corruptauthor

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@@nonomnismoriar9051 ok sure he was talking to you in the spirit and not the people who walked with him. Sounds like a delusionalist. The end did come. Not for western civilization but for the people taken out of Egypt and given a land and kingdom. And that kingdom and its temple 24 football fields long. And it's capital city which all the men from around the world visited 3 times a year for festivals along with the territory of Judea. It was all ended in the Jewish Roman wars. For you it just a page in a book. To them it was the end of all things Jewish.

From the Gospel of Thomas;”(51) His disciples said to him, "When will the repose of the dead come about, and when will the new world come?" He said to them, "What you look forward to has already come, but you do not recognize it."

@nonomnismoriar9051

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This is the author of Thomas already by the 2nd century or even later trying to save Jesus by mistifying the meaning of his words. It assumes that Jesus was some sort of Gnostic like the author was. When we see Jesus in his historical context, it's very clear he was a regular apocalyptic Jew. He really did believe the end of the ages of worldly powers and evil was at the end. That never happened. There's no point trying to reinterpret this unless you have a vested interest in making Jesus infallible. Which is just not a serious academic pressuposition.

@alanx4121

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@@nonomnismoriar9051 He came to bear the wages for sin as per isaiah 53 which is not about israel, God constantly rebuked them.

@scambammer6102

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I just wrote a book that says jesus was a monkey so it must be true

@jamesdewane1642

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@@nonomnismoriar9051 You may be right about Jesus as a regular apocalyptic Jew, and Tabor calls Paul the same. By the time Mark was written, another view had developed, or could have been present from Jesus' time and existed parallel to Paul's view. The end of ch 12 deals with deception, and when the disciples in ch 13 ask Jesus "when will all these things be fulfilled?" his first words are, "Be careful no deceives you." Jesus then describes the signs of the end times, but as a personal spiritual transformation, not as a public event. "If they say look here or look there, do not believe it. Prophets will produce signs and portents... but... No one knows the day or they hour..." If it happens at a different time for each individual, then these statements are easy to understand. "This present generation will not pass away until all this has taken place." Why is death not referred to directly, as was done in Mark just before the transfiguration? "some standing here will not taste death..." Probably the author wants us to know that you can be transformed in this life, or after your death. Nobody passes away without going through this process is how I read it. Good News.

The Euphrates river, word of thy Almighty. Soon you’re fun and games will be in front of you, Sweet dreams 📅 is ticking. 😇 Everything was written in excitement and disbelief from thy living who portrayed their rule. Yeah plan as been over ruled. (wait to you see what happens next?) 😢

Sorry, he can take it literally all he wants but I'm out

@scambammer6102

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"the bible never means what it says"

@antlures845

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@@scambammer6102 does that mean something?

@jamesdewane1642

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Yep, symbolism everywhere, but no, not this! The seed is the word and the word is made flesh and the bread is his body and the disciples had not seen what they miracle of the loaves meant (Mark 6:52). At the end Tabor says that "spiritualizing" the text is a way to escape from a failed prediction! like he doesn't think it's a spiritual book???

@jamesdewane1642

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@@scambammer6102 It means more than what it says

@scambammer6102

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@@jamesdewane1642 there’s no such thing as “spiritual “ grow up

The day you one you became two divided split a piece of wood and I AM there .5 just .5 true make two into one and I AM there to heal two into one is no debate

For those interested about Science and Sun's recurrent micro nova, I will recommend the link below in answer, wich is part of a YT playlist that can teach knowledge, published peers studies, wich Paul would have liked to know more about, Jesus and James too, I'm sure 🙏💚🧡. This gives to Humanity a big perspective about the Wisdom we are the messengers, All of Us. No fear, be safe everyone🤗😉🙏💚🧡

Deut. 18: 21And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? 22When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him. If the prophecy from the Son of God failed in the Olivet Discourse of Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 were failed prophecies, why should we believe that any other bible prophecies were true? Perhaps this is why John N. Darby and his cohorts in the 19th century embellished the loophole known as dispensationalism which spread like wildfire in the 20th century and brainwashed the majority of Churchianity today and gives them a false hope of a coming rapture which is not prophesied at all. As a full preterist, I have a clear picture of what the "works of Jesus" were really about and I am not here to debate the subject but rather to say; study preterism along with secular history, and you may see that Jesus was spot on when He said, "This generation will not pass before ALL these things take place"!

@jamesdewane1642

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I'm a bit jealous that you have a name, preterist, and a whole movement that goes with it for your point of view. I'm looking for a name for my point of view. Maybe you can help. Mark 13 looks to me like Jesus is telling his most intimate disciples that "the end" is NOT something that will happen manifest in the world for all to see, but rather a process of purification that culminates in a personal spiritual transformation akin to what these same three disciples saw at the transfiguration. That "this generation will not pass away till these things have taken place" seems to mean that in this life or after death, everyone will experience this transformation. Notice the difference in phrasing between "taste death" used before the transfiguration and "pass away" of ch 13. I think very different things are being referenced. So is there a name for what I understand here? Matthew and more so Luke move things around a bit and add details tying the Oliver discourse more explicitly to the destruction of Jerusalem. Mark is much less direct, allowing the reader more room to place himself in the story. To me, it seems that this is how Mark writes a timeless book.

@randytrout1241

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Mark did allow his readers to place themselves in the story. And as he said (quoting Jesus), the Gospel must be published to all nations, and according to Paul, writing to the Colossians in chapter 1, the Gospel HAD already reached the whole world.

Dr. Tabor, You affirm my faith more than main stream Christianity has in decades. Thank you for sharing your scholarship and faith. It’s encouraging to know I’m not alone. Please keep going!

His disciple asked when would be the time of his coming and the end of the age. Jesus is portrayed as crucified. Hundred of thousands were crucified. It is easy to see where the imagery comes from. The question is: Are you under some serious mind control that you are so blind as not to see this? The Messiah is portrayed as crucified. O stupid Galatians! Who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? (Gal 3:1 NABO) Are you so stupid? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now ending with the flesh? (Gal 3:3 NABO) You ended your search for understanding with Jesus being crucified in the flesh. That is not the chastisements of God, the just demands of the law according to the spirit. God didn't imbue Jesus with the corruption of sin. When he judges the world, with a Holocaust of wrath, he is made to be sin, justifying David, your God and Father, in his sentence, and vindicating him when he condemns, at the return, within the same generation, and fulfills the way of the Lord in the desert. Never to return to corruption (Act 13:34 NABO) You justify suffering and death at the hands men. In their unawareness of the righteousness that comes from God and their attempt to establish their own (righteousness), they did not submit to the righteousness of God. (Rom 10:3 NABO) The prior verse provides the context for the way of the lord in the desert. The day of the lord (sacrifice) is followed by the way of the lord in the desert (resurrection), within the same generation. Sacrifice of being ‘made to be sin’ - Indeed, she has received from the hand of the LORD double for all her sins. (Isa 40:2 NABO) Resurrection - A voice cries out: In the desert prepare the way of the LORD! Make straight in the wasteland a highway for our God! (Isa 40:3 NABO) For as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. (Mat 24:37 NABO) This is for me like the days of Noah, when I swore that the waters of Noah should never again deluge the earth (Isa 54:9 NABO) Matthew refers to wars and rumors of wars in regards to the time of his coming. Isaiah speaks of an outburst of wrath. "I have decided to put an end to all mortals on earth (Gen 6:13 NABO) The vision of the evenings and the mornings is true, as spoken; (Dan 8:26 NABO) Your covenant with death shall be canceled and your pact with the nether world shall not stand. When the overwhelming scourge passes, you shall be trampled down by it. Whenever it passes, it shall take you; morning after morning it shall pass, By day and by night; terror alone shall convey the message. (Isa 28:18-19 NABO) In the morning you will say, 'Would that it were evening!' and in the evening you will say, 'Would that it were morning!' for the dread that your heart must feel and the sight that your eyes must see. (Deu 28:67 NABO) There is a baptism with which I must be baptized, and how great is my anguish until it is accomplished! "I have come to set the earth on fire, and how I wish it were already blazing! (Luk 12:49-50 NABO) "For by my wrath a fire is enkindled that shall rage to the depths of the nether world, Consuming the earth with its yield, and licking with flames the roots of the mountains. (Deu 32:22 NABO) Down I went to the roots of the mountains; the bars of the nether world were closing behind me forever (Jon 2:7 NABO) 'Who will go down into the abyss (nether world)?' (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead) (Rom 10:7 NABO) ------- "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "the one who is and who was and who is to come, the almighty." (Rev 1:8 NABO) The beast that you saw existed once but now exists no longer. It will come up from the abyss and is headed for destruction. (Rev 17:8 NABO)

Congradulations, so many comments. With regard to the failure of "Jesus", I think we need to keep this in kind of a perspective and draw down the list of things done right and things done wrong. You did very good at listing out things done wrong. I would add to that the sect of Jesus movement spawned by Paul was not likely something Jesus wanted. Also, the movement in Pella the month or so after the execution should have distributed itself around Jerusalem, on the fringes of Judea and remained a coherantly mystical movement and basically avoided the auspects of being pious to serve the second temple. This piety strapped them to the fate of the high priest which the texts seem to be in opposition to. A third mistake is the inability to formulate a written codex and a modulatory form for their jewish mysticism. Had they done this the Nazarene/Ebionite movement might have survived. What they did right, the mysticism, the teaching thereof, the missions outside of Judea, the broadening of the scope, the fact that various ideas about christianity were able to share with each other. The final issue, the escatology, the belief that the end would come before disciples return, their end came but not as they wanted

According to the Epistle of Barnabas, he (the writer of Barnabas) provides the 7-day / 7000-year prophetical template, so this is in association with Jewish eschatology. If the writer of Barnabas understood the Jewish eschatological time template, then Jesus and his "first' followers would have understood that the Messianic Kingdom age (the 7th day) would not happen until after 6000 years from the beginning of this age. We haven't hit that 7000th year from Adam yet (obviously). The whole pattern of 7's in the OT supports this eschatological template. The point is, the early Jesus followers knew eschatology.

@AllOtherNamesUsed

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Correct (although I don’t accept that epistle as genuine, it does reflect a well accept concept of God’s plan of a week of millennia with the 7th millennium being our rest in the kingdom). Peter even alludes to this concept in his second epistle when addressing the question of Christ’s return when he cites a day as a 1000 years and points back to the transfiguration where he and John and James (the pillar apostles, 3 witnesses) saw Christ coming as the Son of Man in glory with the 2 witnesses (and the voice from heaven as the 3rd witness, all three are mentioned in Rev 11 at His return) fulfilling the preceding verses about some standing there will see the Son of Man coming in glory before tasting death. All 3 synoptic gospels are careful to indicate that this fulfillment happened on the 7th day from this prophesy, or 7th millennium if a day is counted as a 1000 years.

@thenazareneperspective2734

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@@AllOtherNamesUsed Thanks for the reply. There are not too many folks I've seen on any of these forums that I agree with (completely), or them me. But, that's how I learn. Yeh, I used the Epistle strictly because it lays out the 7000-year principle succinctly as being something that has been around for a long time. Of course, Peter's day/1000 years comment mirrors Psalm 90:4. So, the precedent was set. Regarding the Mt. of Transfiguration scene, in Mark 9:2, it says "after six days" once again showing the pattern of 6 followed by the 7th. Regarding Rev 11, in Judaism, I think that only 2 witnesses are needed to prove a truth, so I'm not sure if the Bat Kol is the 3rd Witness, or simply an announcement in the Gospel, and a summoning in Rev 11. Just a matter of opinion. Both situations mirror the other. Regarding those seeing "the "Son of Man" coming in glory before tasting death", I would say was fulfilled by John's vision of Rev 19. He was an old man and the last of the Apostles...who witnessed the 2nd coming event before he died. imho. Sorry, I saw the last line after I typed most of the reply, and I agree with 99%.

@AllOtherNamesUsed

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@@thenazareneperspective2734 i refer to 3 heavenly witnesses as they may reflect the 3 pillar apostles Peter, John and James who became the 3 main witnesses on earth to Christ’s majesty as Peter reminded his readers in 2Peter while discussing these things. Peter seems to be of the spirit of Elijah who raised the dead child with the widows like Elijah raising the widow’s son, which the false prophet will also do when he raises the false messiah, just as Simon Peter had a false prophet imitate him with Simon Magus and Elijah also contended with the false prophets of baal. John may be as the heavenly voice as he was called the Son of Thunder (along with his brother James) who revealed mysteries especially in Revelation - note when he and his brother asked if they should call down fire upon the town that rebelled against the truth (like Elijah did and will do again) Christ said they knew not what spirit they were of. That leaves James who perhaps would be associated with Moses but I’m not sure in what way at this point, this is still a fairly new realization I’ve had (edit: I had previously linked Moses with James from the epistle of James but this is the brother of Jesus, not James the son of Zebedee who was one of the three witnesses). The two lamps/flames before the Lord, Moses and Elijah, also correspond to Michael and Gabriel like the two pillars of the temple (Boaz & Jachin) that stood before the Lord, to His left and right hands.

@thenazareneperspective2734

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@@AllOtherNamesUsed Thanks for the comment. Based on your last 2 comments, I think you may be a Pauline (Trinitarian)? I just like to know the religious disposition of folks I’m discussing issues on the forums with. But, just to let you know where I am coming from, I am a former Paulinist (Trinitarian), now a Noahide who aligns with Nazarene Judaism. I am not Paul-friendly as you will find out. So, in my reply to your reply, I will go by paragraph and comment in that way keeping some of the issues separate. Paragraph 1: I will respectfully disagree somewhat (and it may be a minor thing), but, I’m not sure how you are squaring Peter, James, and John (your claim of the 3 earthly witnesses) as reflecting Moses, Elijah, and the Bat Kol (your claim on the 3 heavenly witnesses), in light of 1 John 5:7-8 which lists what the 3 heavenly and earthly witnesses are. That P, J, and J are witnesses, there is no doubt. That M and E are the future 2 Witnesses, there is good reason to believe they are. Regarding Cephas, James, and John as being “pillars” of the Nazarenes, that is said by Paul in a mocking manner and not one of respect. Paul did not say “were”…he said, “seemed to be”. And, the James mentioned would have been James the Just, the leader of the 12 Apostles. But, that’s a whole other can of worms to open. Paragraph 2: Peter did raise the dead, but, the other 11 Apostles had the same authority to do that, as Peter had (according to the Jesus Law of Agency). There were other Prophets that raised the dead as well (Elisha). I understand the point you are trying to make in comparing Peter with Simon Magus…I know all about Simon Magus as I am a devout reader of the Clementine Literature. I'd like to make a point about Simon Magus Simon Magus does not imitate Peter, but rather, Simon Magus claimed to be the Christ, and James sent Peter to rebuke him. I understand the principle of the parings between True and False personages as pairs, as Peter explains the principle in depth and lists the exampled pairs in the CL’s. Moses vs Balaam, Peter vs Simon Magus…Jesus vs Satan, James the Just vs Paul of Tarsus. Again, that’s a whole can of worms to open..too long to do here. Regarding your comment on the “false prophet” raising the “false messiah”. Can you show me the Where\When on how that is developed? Perhaps that was a mispeak? Paragraph 3: John and his brother James (sons of Zebedee) were both called the “sons of thunder” as you mentioned, but (imho) only because of the dynamics and zeal of their personalities. John the Revelator is not the brother of James (the son of Zeb)…he’s a separate John. Regarding miracles: Here is the thing about miracles (i.e. calling fire down from heaven), as taught by Peter in the CL’s as an explanation to the difference between a “true” apostle/prophet and a “false” apostle/prophet. The “true” Apostle will cause a “miracle” to happen that benefits (i.e. raise the dead)…a “false” apostle will perform a “magic” a false miracle” to happen that does not benefit (i.e. levitation). Calling fire down from heaven is not a “miracle” that benefits (and Jesus rebuked the brothers for that)…when Elijah did it in the past, it was to destroy pagans who meant him harm, in the future (as one of the 2 witnesses), he will do it again for the very same reason. Paragraph 4: No one really knows who the 2 lampstands are, and it is heavily debated. If they are the 2 Witnesses in Revelation, I personally lean towards them being Moses and Elijah by the description of the miracles they perform in the future. Finally: I appreciate the back and forth. I think we may be alike in some ways (thinking outside the box). Of course, we will have our disagreements, but that’s what makes the back and forth interesting…if kept civil…yes?

@AllOtherNamesUsed

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@@thenazareneperspective2734 My pleasure to have this chat. I'm not sure how you define "a Pauline" -- and Paul himself decried those who referred to themselves as being 'of Paul' or 'of Cephas', etc as if to divide the body of Christ, and/or to marginalize Paul which seems to be in high fashion on the internet these days by those who espouse keeping the Mosaic law to varying degrees -- which is antithetical to the instructions of the law itself which says to keep all of it, not part of it, which is impossible today -- or else those who do so will incur its prescribed curses. _For I have been informed concerning you, my brethren, by Chloe's people, that there are quarrels among you. Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, "I am of Paul," and "I of Apollos," and "I of Cephas," and "I of Christ." Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?_ (1Co 1.11-13) I'm also not sure how you define a "Trinitarian" (also not found in the scriptures) and have seen varying views about it. Saying that, I do acknowledge there is a Spirit of God, that who was sent to dwell in the earthly temple made with hands, and a heavenly Son of Man, seen by the prophets, who also was sent to dwell on earth in an earthly temple made without hands in the image of God, also called the Son of God. The rabbinic material refers to this Spirit of God or God's presence who was sent to dwell in the temple as the "Shekinah glory," which is also described as the female counterpart of the heavenly Father. She is referred to as Wisdom (Greek: Sophia) in the book of Proverbs where She speaks in first person. Does that make the rabbis, or Solomon, a binitarian? Genesis describes God, which in Hebrew is Elohim (plural form of El), creating Adam, saying, "Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness" (Gen 1.26) and then it says, "He created them male and female, and He blessed them and named them Adam (singular) in the day when they were created." (Gen 5.2). This unified plurality nature also expressed when it says they became one flesh in marriage, and this is the meaning of the Echad emphasized in the Shema prayer -- One in Spirit, in covenant marriage, not in number -- or is Moses a polytheist like the rabbis accuse Christians of? You mention Elisha also raising the dead like Elijah, which is just another example illustrating my point as Elisha also had the spirit of Elijah upon him as did John the Baptist who raised Christ out of the Jordan as a picture of the death and rebirth and spent 40 days in the wilderness, just as the Israelites passed through water in their birth as a nation out of Egypt and rebirth through the Jordan into the land after 40 years in the wilderness (average human gestation period is 40 weeks). I think I will pause here and let you respond if you wish before moving on, also my response has already grown too long as it is.

Most preterists connect the binding of the strong man (Mark 3:27), with the work of Christ on the cross and see a connection to revelations 20:3, where the Devil bound a thousand years (the thousand years being symbolic). But Derek claims he is "just trying to read these things historically," which means he isn't reading scripture as a revelation given by the spirit. This is extremely problematic since Johns vision is given by Revelation not intended to be a historical lesson even if it has (as secondary importance), great historical significance.

Love listening to discussions like this because it only makes me dig deeper......though he brings a good argument i don't agree with everything he says. The Prophets prophesied many things they didn't understand even when told what it meant. Sure there's a lot we know that they didn't. Yet there's also much we must learn and understand our selves. I believe everyone on earth is doing ELOHYM's will, be it through lawlessness or righteousness. Soon every knee shall bow. Let us be humble now and to the future so that we are not seen weeping and gnashing our teeth in that great day.

The LORD JESUS CHRIST is ALIVE ask HIM for HIS Wisdom and HIS TRUTH. Paul TOTALLY endorsed the MESSIANIC PROMISES in Orthodox Judaism. The LORD GOD has commanded that HE be Our ONLY Teacher and Father - Matthew 23:8-10. Also read John 17. The LORD JESUS destroyed the works of satan as The PROMISED Messiah. I was led by The LORD GOD to study the MESSIANIC Promises in Orthodox Judaism, which is what The LORD referred to when HE spoke to the Jews about HIS IDENTITY as The MESSIAH. I speak with PROOF of LIVING AN OVERCOMING life with NO FEAR (fear is a satanic spirit that can paralyze those who are ignorant of The TRUTH), healing of my body, protection and unlimited PROVISION as HE promised. I was FILLED with The HOLY SPIRIT with the Evidence of speaking in other languages or Tongues about 25 years ago. The LORD JESUS is The HOLY SPIRIT and HE comes to LIVE IN us so that we are The LIVING TEMPLES of The HOLY SPIRIT - John 14:20, 1Corinthians 3:16, 2Corinthians 6:16-18. christianity is a LYING DECEPTION rooted in pagan sun god worship roman catholicism. The LORD JESUS told me not to touch anything roman catholic. My obedience brought CLARITY and GREAT BLESSINGS - just walking into Blessings All the time, on a daily basis. SPEAK to The LORD JESUS and seek HIS TRUTH - HE is The TRUTH.

Face it who would not want that ugly first century hell hole to end. Truth is it did not end and actually got uglier. See Seige of Jerusalem.

Just an aside, I once found out I'm exactly, to the day, 100 years younger than Albert Schweitzer. It turns out I've also followed his advice on radical pacifist activism 😃

As *Lawfully* prophesied. Many prophecies have been fulfilled which have been noticed only by the *"watching and praying" Seekers of Truth!* However: Mark 13: 32"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. 33Take ye heed, *watch and pray:* for ye know not when the time is. 34For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch. 35Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: 36Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. *37And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.!*

Fact is; Christ said. No man knows the hour but my father in heaven. Disciples and prophets all had some level of incite, but still were uncertain of anything concrete. I respect scholars like David Tabor but guess what? He doesn't know either. Bottom line is, we trust the King in Heaven. Only he determines the time; while everyone else around here is guessing, I'll stick with the creators' testimony over everyone else. Peace and love.

@GravityBoy72

Жыл бұрын

Wrong. "“Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place". Cue mental gymnastics.

@jamesdewane1642

Жыл бұрын

@@GravityBoy72 It seems to me that the writers of Mark represent a tradition that was parallel to Paul or perhaps a reaction to Paul's failed apocalyptic statements. In Mark 13, set up by the ending of ch 12 from the righteous scribe onwards, Jesus warns his disciples away from the popular understanding of the end, and explains that it is an internal personal spiritual experience. The bible is timeless because it describes human spiritual processes, not specific events. The specific events described are there because they illustrate these processes, not because they are extraordinary one-offs.

@GravityBoy72

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesdewane1642 So you say... however Mark 13.30 disagrees. As do many many many people (including arguably Paul). Interesting that people believe in their own interpretation of the Bible isn't it? You'd think God would be clearer for such an important thing.

@jamesdewane1642

Жыл бұрын

@@GravityBoy72 Why the phrase "pass away" in 13:30 rather than the more direct "taste death" that's used just before the transfiguration? "Pass away" does not refer to earthly death imo.

@GravityBoy72

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesdewane1642 Oh come on... clutch straws much?

Thank you

A thought..... the world ends quickly for all of us when we expel our last breath and move to our spirit,, so the end of the world should be interpreted st this transition { And Dont be Late} Hendrix song quote .....

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

that's not what it says

Hello - The end of the Age was in 1941 when Jesus returned at the end of the Age of Pisces as He had promised. He presented The Winds of Truth Great Writings of the Truths of GOD together with the Convocation from the Solar Planes under the Authorship of Archangel Michael. He reascended later that year back to the Father, His work completed for the Earth. We are now in Aquarius. Books from the WOT Trust (not personally affiliated). - RevDrD/Ministry

@BC-lf4om

11 ай бұрын

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Distinguishing between Greek kosmos (world) and Greek aion (age) is central to the confusion of many. That is, the end of what? Most err when waiting for the end of the world. How could there be last days in a kingdom without end? Full Preterists spiritualize? What? It’s not “spiritualizing.” However, instead, it’s recognizing that there are three different and distinct Greek words for “appear.” By way of contrast see Hebrews 9:24, 9:26 and 9:28. In 9:24 Christ appears [emphanizo] on our behalf before God. In 9:26 our High Priest appears [phaneroo] “once for all” at the end of the age, to put away sin. In 9:28 our Lord appears [optanomi] a second time, to those who wait for salvation. “appear” in Hebrews 9:28 [Greek “optanomai”] is similarly used in 1 Corinthians 15:5-8, where Jesus distinctly appears “a second time,” or expressly to those our Lord [optanomai] “appears” to a first time. This is a physical appearance. Uniquely, Jesus appears “a second time” [optanomi] to those born under the law, that must “wait” for him. Will Jesus appear “a second time” for someone to whom he never appears [optanomai] a first time? Do we wait “a little longer, until the full number of our brothers and sisters are killed, just as we have been killed”? [Revelation 6:10-12]. Cf. Isaiah 11:11. “appear” in Hebrews 9:26 [Greek “phaneroo”] is similarly used in 1 John 3:2, where the witnesses don’t even know “what we will be,” when Jesus distinctly “appears” [phaneroo] for them “at the end of the age.” This is a spiritual appearance.

*It is important to learn that 4 Anonymous Gospels Mark Matthew Luke and John cover only 12+2=14 years life of Jesus, and they do not know about his rest of life*

no jesus wasn't wrong this is the 6th and final rapture as you are witnessing now...999

Paul’s ministry is like the parable Jesus use about the hired men, getting paid the same amount as those who started working from the beginning of the day, and says "don’t be mad friend, because I’m generous with my money for as it is said the first will be last and the last will be first.” That’s a paraphrase, and look who’s the last disciple of the New Testament and is the super apostle… none other than yours truly Paul of Tarsus. I love praying, before I get into my fathers word, he reveals so much. 🙏🏽

@AllOtherNamesUsed

Жыл бұрын

He was also from the tribe of Benjamin, the smallest tribe.

Jesus's prophecies did not fail. The church just refuses to understand apocalyptic language. Everything Jesus prophesied came to be in 70 A.D, just as he said it would and in the time frame it he said it would.

@HistoryandReviews

Жыл бұрын

Get your apologetics out of here

@ChristCenteredEschatology

Жыл бұрын

@@HistoryandReviews Heaven forbid we believe the words of the Messiah.

@HistoryandReviews

Жыл бұрын

@@ChristCenteredEschatology you dont believe them you ALTERED THEM to suit your own beliefs for why his predictions failed! Jesus and his apostles and paul repeatedly taught the world would end IN THE FIRST CENTURY and the good would go to Heaven! Never happened! Failed prophecy. Jesus lied. Game over

@ChristCenteredEschatology

Жыл бұрын

@@HistoryandReviews The only world Jesus, the apostles, and the Old Covenant prophets taught would come to an end was the Old Covenant age. That's why Mathew 24:3 said “age” not world. Everything Jesus said would come to an end within the generation of his disciples, did in fact come to an end. There is no prediction of the destruction of our physical planet in the Bible. There is also no prediction of the saints being taken out of this world. The Bible must be read and understood from its Hebraic context. You are correct that Jesus, Paul, and the disciples taught that the second coming, including the resurrection, the new heavens and earth, the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple, would take place in the first century and they did. The Bible nowhere teaches that the resurrection is the raising of our earthly physical bodies from the grave. The second coming was to be in clouds of glory (in the glory of the Father), which never involved the Father being physically seen. There are multiple accounts of this in the Old Testament. Jesus predicted the temple would be destroyed within a generation and it was undeniably fulfilled. Atheist and unfortunately most Christians, want to misinterpret the Bible, rather then let the Bible interpret the Bible. We can easily determine the meaning of apocalyptic and metaphoric language by studying the Old Testament. Atheist deliberately ignore the Hebraic context of the Bible because they know that most Christians are too lazy to study it and will just assume that it was written for them and meant to be understood from a modern western understanding.

@HistoryandReviews

Жыл бұрын

@@ChristCenteredEschatology wrong. Jesus said the end would come during THE FIRST CENTURY. The whole universe would end! John of Patmos wrote “What must SOON take place” “Come now, Lord Jesus” Paul, “WE WHO ARE STILL ALIVE will join the Lord Jesus in the clouds” The unknown author of 1/2/3 John, “For THESE are the end times” John the Baptist “The AXE is at the root already”

Ahh when we leave this World we will finally know!

It seems as though the fantastical events described in the Revelations to John, and let's be straight up here, they ARE fantastical and very hallucinogenic, with all of the same colorful, dramatic horror and cosmic wonder that Albert Hoffman experienced on his bicycle ride home. What were the prophets seeing? The throne and the chariot are of very great significance, and particularly the description of the one seated upon it and the creatures that surround it. The Apocalypse is the antithesis of creation. It is the entire cosmos being 'un-made', including all of it's realms and inhabitants. In fact, if one looks closely at the drama of creation and think of it inverted, or unfolding backwards, that is all one needs to understand really. The four-fold patterns (living creatures, the four horsemen etc) express the four states of creation IN REVERSE.: Emanative-Vanquishing-White Cyclical-Contracting-Red Unifying-Separating-Black Making-Unmaking-Pale The seven bowls of wrath are a reversal of the seven days of creation, of course. The real mystery lay within the understanding that THIS HAPPENS ON EVERY LEVEL. We will each have the good fortune of witnessing and participating in our own apocalypse and the shock of our own private personal end.... the model works very well when applied to anything that is subject to entropy.

This guy has 100% blinder on. The end came in 70. The end of the of the Temple. Thus all the stuff came true the kingdom is here. The prime minister is Francis.

Just misunderstood

James Tabor -No the explanation is in the Talmud (Sanhedrin 97A, Sanhedrin 97B). The Messianic Age begins circa the 4,000 year mark or the 6,000 year mark (2K years from Adam to Abraham, 2K years of the Torah, and 2K years to the coming of the Messiah). -It depends on when the Jewish people approach Moschiach Ben Yosef for their food (Genesis 42:1-6 --> Mark 14:22-24, John 6:35) even though they betrayed him when Judah turned Moschiach Ben Yosef over to the gentiles for money (Genesis 37:25-28 --> Matthew 26:14-16, 47-50) . Israel then has to call on Moschiach Ben David during a time of war (Psalm 118:26 --> Luke 13:35) either circa 70 A.D. (circa year 4,000) or circa 2030 A.D. (circa year 6,000). -The gentiles embrace Moschiach Ben Yosef (Genesis 41:37-44 --> Ephesians 4:17-19) while Israel rejects Moshiach Ben Yosef (Isaiah 53:3 --> John 1:11). Moshiach Ben Yosef also takes a gentile bride (Genesis 41:45 --> Ephesians 5:22-33). Israel embraces Moschiach Ben David (Psalm 118:26 --> Luke 13:35) and he crushes the gentiles (Zechariah 14:1-5, Psalm 110:5-7, Revelation 19:11-16 -> Isaiah 63:1-6, Luke 21:20-27). - Israel recognizes Moschiach Ben Yosef the 2nd time around (Genesis 45:1-5, Acts 7:13) only to realize that he is also Moschiach Ben David (Psalm 22:16 --> Zechariah 12:10, Revelation 1:7). - The Apostle John was kept alive so long (John 21:20-24) to receive the Angelic revelations that were hid from Daniel (Daniel 12:8-9 --> Revelation 1:1). Nero Caesar's gematria is six-six-six, however, that information was not made known to Daniel. Therefore, God knew during Daniel's day that Jesus would be rejected during his time.

@nonomnismoriar9051

Жыл бұрын

I'm sure the rabbis spent a few good hundred thousand hours on these mental gymnastics to make sense of incoherent, often anonymous works written, redacted and re-redacted for hundreds of years before their births. It's just not feasible. That doesn't mean the Bible is garbage, it's a unique and valuable collection, it's just not divine. Sorry.

@arielshapiro3099

Жыл бұрын

@@nonomnismoriar9051 I never said it was divine. The Talmud is a commentary and instruction manual. It was Elijah that taught the teachings of the Messiah's arrival according to the Talmud. We have zero reason to reject the teachings of Elijah.

@AllOtherNamesUsed

Жыл бұрын

Numerical gematria is not used or taught in the holy scriptures and was picked up by the rabbis in Babylon. Nero (a convert to Judaism) doesn’t equate with 666 either without adding a title and even then the number in some manuscripts were changed to 616 to fit (Irenaeus confirms the original is the best attested 666, and he was a disciple of Polycarp who was a disciple of St John, and he also taught the coming false messiah was still a future event). The language of the number of men/number of the name is used in the book of Numbers and Ezra when they were numbering the tribes by family names in a census to allot land and/or muster an army - which is what the rabbis expect Elijah to do, in addition to renew the Sinai covenant marriage (which came with the mark of the name of the Lord sealed on the head and hand) and restore the sacrifices (which the merchants were ‘buying and selling’ in the temple) which answers to the false prophet/second beast of Rev 13.

Thanks for the excellent content. Jesus also thought it was all about to end, as well. Matthew 16:27-28 27 For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done. 28 “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

@christianbohls9880

Жыл бұрын

And they did. Mount of Transfiguration.

Just thought I might flesh out the bit about Jehovah's Witnesses for anyone interested (all of this is mainly based on "The Gentile Times Reconsidered"): Jehovah's witnesses have their origin in the second day adventist movement, specifically in the Millerite movement (see: Great Disappointment in the 1850's). One of these Millerites went on to keep trying to find a date for the end. He and his group arrived at 1874 as the year for the Lord's coming. When this didn't happen, they eventually arrived at the answer that Jesus came "invisibly", and that he was now "present". Charles Taze Russel was convinced by this viewpoint and adopted it in his upper teens/lower twenties. They believed the final, ultimate end of the world would then come in 1914, preceded by "anarchy" and a great conflict that would involve communism. Charles eventually broke with this Millerite group but did not change his views on times and prophecy and he continued to publish material (the watchtower) to evangelise for this coming end of the world in 1914. As they entered the 20th century and didn't see the expected global unrest and decent into "anarchy" he gradually softened his stance on what exactly should happen in 1914. He went from being absolutely certain that the world had a definite, deadline for 1914 to saying things like "likely". As 1914 came and passed they did what the Millerites he had joined with did with 1874, and claimed something had happened but that they had expected the wrong thing. However, Charles died before 1920 and Rutherford took over through some power plays. Under Rutherford Jehovah's witnesses changed their view on prophetic times to the one we know today, with Jesus invisible presence being moved to 1914 from 1874 (and it being the start of the times of the end, rather than those times starting in early 1800's)

Lol Derek doesn't know who REM or Leonard Cohen is...ha ha hah ad hoc more latin phrases I wanna go to Palestine (oops, I mean ISRAEL derp derp)

Mark 8:38/Mark 9:1 If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his Father’s glory with the holy angels." And he said to them, "Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see that the kingdom of God has come with power." Luke 9:26-27 Whoever is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels. Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.g Matthew 16:27-28 For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom. You many Christians do not hear what God says because you do not belong to God, therefor you wonder, question and argue the possibilities, for truth you have been given but the understanding has eluded you, for you are the seed along the path. The Prophet is merely saying that some will live to see the death of the Prophet, that he will ascend to his heavenly kingdom in their lifetime. All this having nothing to do with God's kingdom on earth, all this having nothing to do with the great day of the Lord, for the Prophet spoke plainly and all your confusion is born of lies. As for Paul, he is a false prophet, his prophecy did not come true and yet you fear him. You many Christians listen to those who are worth ignoring, but the one who is worth listening to you have ignored. Amen i say to you, whoever loves their religion more then truth will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. Whoever says they are saved will be condemned, and whoever teaches others to believe the same will pay dearly for their practices. So if the Prophet says that salvation is from the Jews, that he will make the synagogue of Satan bow down at their feet and make them confess that he has loved them, then why do reject those whom the Moschiach sent out for your salvation? Your Christianity is a lie, and what is false will not serve you, only the truth can set you free.

@thedudeabides3930

Жыл бұрын

Thank God He sent you to straighten everyone out!

@richardprofit6363

Жыл бұрын

Mohammed did not have the attitude you have toward other religions..you can believe in and practice your faith without insulting others,and you should..

@ronashman8463

Жыл бұрын

You have been drinking Tovia Singer's kool-aid.

Is they caught like thief's caught in the knight in broad daylight for all to see they will hand it over everything took in a Divine Providence or name and I will give it away real soon

On the idea of the Diaspora, Is the Khazar theory of origin of the Jews of eastern Europe valid, in that the Jews there actually converted to judaism for political reasons, and we're not in fact physical descendents of Abraham?

It was really hard to watch this interview with the great Dr James Tabor due to all the ad breaks. It was very off putting and ruined the flow

@JamesTaborVideos

Жыл бұрын

I need to see how I can control that. YT wants us to buy their ad free thing. I get it offered everytime I open any YT video.

@uncleambient

Жыл бұрын

@@JamesTaborVideos Thank you for replying Dr Tabor.

If heaven is within, it’s all a spiritual sense…. New dimension?

Well we witness the end of the world,claimant change . So beloved by the progressive

I do not feel that prophecy has failed, it is the intrpretation that has failed. My interpretation is quite different and in fact unique so far as I have found. Wanna see? Look me up.

Why are we still on milk?

The problem is that people want to make spiritual realities that the Bible describes using symbolism to be literal historical events. Christ returned in the spirit. He is here now Christ is who we are at the core of our being. The Bible creates a mental framework that allows a person to step.put of identification with the ego. It leads us into an enlightened perspective of reality. Its not something that happens in time and space.

@richardprofit6363

Жыл бұрын

My thinking is similar''seems you've looked into other faiths and scriptures as I have..when I read the "some will not taste death"etc I always think Jesus MIGHT have said that to help the apostles keep up the faith after he was crucified and left them..the kingdom, after all, is within us...

@jamesdewane1642

Жыл бұрын

Well met! And very well said: The Bible creates a mental framework that allows a person to step out of identification with the ego. And so do lots of other traditions. Funny thing is, when you're a kid and they yell and threaten, deny your self or go to hell! it kinda makes the whole pursuit impossible. I couldn't see any value in Christianity until I had been out a couple decades.

If Jesus is the pineal light and his followers are the 12 noetic forces, what are you talking about?

And it's a nature thing, not some supernatural magic