can't sleep, random idea: you should do a little video on the physics behind speed wobbles and why they happen.

@RadRatVideo

7 жыл бұрын

Good idea! I'll write that down and see what I can do.

@chimyshark

7 жыл бұрын

I'm not 100%, but I believe it has something to do with the wave-like motion of the wobble, and as you go faster, the bumps on the ground keep adding energy and amplitude to the wave until the back-forth swing is so violent it throws you off the board. it also has to do with us trying to adjust the wobble, like the balance meter in Tony Hawk games, when you go way too far to one side, your instinct is to counter that by going the opposite, but you're supposed to go just a tiny bit- but as we get worried about the wobble, we put a lot of force into pressing down the other side and go too far, now we have to reverse the wobble and go back, but because we're so worried, we do it so rapidly with a lot of force, it just makes the wobble worse. if you played THPS games, you would've probably tried to save a manual or grind when it tipped over to one side by mashing down the opposite direction button only to have the meter swing rapidly and throw you off.

@VLSkate

7 жыл бұрын

So then, theoretically, I should just look down when I'm having speed wobbles as to collapse the wave function into a single state and become stable again

@PukeSandwich

6 жыл бұрын

VLSkate and lowering your center of gravity.

@Hikaru109Ichijyo

6 жыл бұрын

I talked to my friend who does longboard downhill . . . it's Self-Exciting Oscillation generally speed gets a point where it triggers into the natural oscillation of your trucks and the trucks try to return to their natural (neutral) position, continually increasing the amplitude / wobble. Once can adjust it via more stable skateboard (trucks, bushings wheels, wheel base, wheel size / durometer), but even then you still get it. The general problem is the skater can't handle or over adjusts and they get thrown off. Experience teaches you to ride it out (lower center of gravity, body and limb positioning, and also doing speed checks / carves / different types of slides to control speed.

It's kinda crazy to me that there was ever a point in skateboarding when the Ollie wasn't just inherent.

@AaaBbb-ts9fq

4 жыл бұрын

there was a time.

@mac10man

2 жыл бұрын

Right. I remember that being the ONLY trick here in Gallup NM for about 6 months. Til a VHS tape from Cali opened us up to “Real” skating in ‘84-85

@mac10man

2 жыл бұрын

I got my very first board from KayBee. It was a Nash Tuf-Top. It was the upgrade board from the plastic banana. Wood and grip tape was the upgrade. Although looking back, it wasn’t even really grip tape. It was sprayed on aluminum oxide grit grip. I didn’t care. It had a tail and looked “rea”l at the time. I had nothing else to go by til I saw an ad in the back of BMX Action for Santa Cruz boards. I thought they were all the size of the Nash til I saw one in person a couple months later. Then the Nash trucks wouldn’t fit a real deck and that brought a new problem. Roller skate wheels fit though. That was an upgrade from the Nash wheels. Urethane Roller Skate Wheels!

In 1931, while filming "Pack Up Your Troubles", Stanley Laurel noticed his rotund friend Oliver Hardy slip on a mover's skateboard, step back causing the front of the board to rise, then jump up as a reflex not to fall backwards. The bubblegum Stanley had left on the board apparently caused the board to stick to Oliver's shoes during this jump. He instinctively called out "Ollie !", and the rest is history.

@JoeKyser

Жыл бұрын

I call BS

I think the Ollie on vert has no individual inventor, it just happens.. I know my first air on vert was an accidental backside 'ollie'.. just popping off the coping

@Born_X_Raised_LA

3 ай бұрын

but did you land it?

It's Mullen. To me, an Ollie is the man-made process of putting air beneath all four wheels of a board simultaneously, using just your feet, regardless of surface or speed. Mullen broke this down into the simplest of formulae and give it to the world for free. As a result, a whole fucking culture was born from it. Until then, Skateboarding was just a sport. The guy is an absolute legend, and many people worldwide owe him a shit ton of both thanks and money. Including me.

@brianblock6334

4 күн бұрын

I concur. The move was in "prototype form" until Rodney perfected it. You know there were people who invented flying long before the Wright bros., but the Wrights were the first to sustain flight for more than a few hundred feet, so they get the credit. Clément Ader flew for about 160- feet, traveling at about 14 miles per hour. And there were dozens of others with similar feats. But, the Wright brothers made it very clear and stood out...so they get the official credit, the rest were experimenting and had precursors of sustained flight.

Florida's Alan Gelfand originator of the Ollie air.. Hi, I'm Troy McClure you may remember me from other skate documentaries such as...

@IronMan_thno

5 жыл бұрын

Hahaha ding ding, you win this one

I'd like to think that in the years to come, you'll be the go to skateboard historian.

@RadRatVideo

7 жыл бұрын

We'll see! If I get some more exposure and attention, I might be able to start doing interviews with some of these guys, which would be great. At this point, any time I try to reach out, I just get ignored. But you never know what the future will hold.

@TheLizardsking

7 жыл бұрын

Interviews would be awesome to watch! Hope it happens :)

@mr_ozzio5095

7 жыл бұрын

nice video, but you missed out NATAS & gonz! no others have done as much for the OLLIE, and modern STREET-SKATING!! they took it to the street and used it to get on walls, benchs and other stuff, history was made and nothing was safe...EVEN HANDRAILS!!!

@PERIPLAN0MEN0S

7 жыл бұрын

Keep going,Skateboarding scene is like all things these days,so of course you ll get ignored..Industries run the game as they have the means and the fame to publish,although the youtube thing(that i am not exactly sure if its for good or for bad) gave them a good hit in that..

@gundolarry

7 жыл бұрын

Jeff Duerr was a super quiet guy then, probably is now as well. Im pretty sure he wouldn't care.

The ollie was the progression of sliding your tail while going up a school bench. To me, the oillie meant doing the motion of going up the bench and then getting up and out front of it so you can have a more controlled landing. In 77 I would also slide the tail while going to hangup on curbs. I would bust up those Bennet Pro baseplates all the time. The no comply probably was invented by hundreds of kids tooling around with their boards while they were sitting down somewhere. I think when you have so many people progressing together, it can be even harder to know who invented what.

I invented the ankle leash on my surfboard. I was made fun of.

@Born_X_Raised_LA

3 ай бұрын

leashes are for kooks.

will you do a video about hospital/casper flips? growing up, i always knew a hospital flip as a casper flip, and from what i've seen, almost every skater over 25 will say the same. i'm trying to figure out when the term hospital flip was adopted and that back foot distinction was made.

@RadRatVideo

7 жыл бұрын

I'm planning on it. I still have some more research to do. They were invented at pretty much the same time. I think Masahiro Fujii was the first guy to do hospital flips, but I haven't seen a good reference for where the name came from. I'm 28 and I knew about both names growing up.

@celisairlines4214

4 жыл бұрын

hospital flip uses front foot and casper uss back foot

@pressureflipin1992

3 жыл бұрын

Hospital flip is a term made up for the tony hawk games, Rodney invented Casper flips in the late 80s and I think the first one on film is in questionable from plan b where Rodney does double kickflip Casper flip. Think about it, he's been doing Casper stalls since the early 80s the next step was Casper flips. In reality There is no such thing as a hospital flip. They're all Casper flips.

Just found this channel man love it! I used to watch your old trick tips back in the day it's nice to see your still making videos

@RadRatVideo

7 жыл бұрын

+Billy Hanning thanks dude! I'm glad you found my new stuff

like the skateboard history/ trick history, cool channel

@RadRatVideo

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

It's a lot easier to pop an ollie off-ramp when have all that momentum... As compared to on flat ground... In my opinion, the credit goes to Rodney Mullen!

@andresanico8203

3 жыл бұрын

man alan is the man

Gave a shoutout to you and this video in my ollie breakdown that I just published. So much great info here

Regardless of who "invented" it, it was only a matter of time before the move was discovered as it's a necessary component for skating pools/ramps and keeping continuous flow.

Woah! I never stopped and thought about this, just always assumed "Rodney Mullen". As is my custom, I assume Rodney invented tons flat ground tricks.

@RadRatVideo

7 жыл бұрын

Usually you're right! The dude was head and shoulders above everyone else, but there was tons of other talent around at the time too.

I started doing this one trick on a pryramid. Barely land it most of the time but it’s like a hospital flip backside 360. Does that have a name already?

More top notch content, great stuff Aron! The subs will keep coming in like your old channel pretty soon. Keep it up!

@RadRatVideo

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I hope you're right. I love your username.

Phil Hartman at 1:22!!

First, this is so wrong on so many levels. Alan was credited with the OLLie, but he was actually doing them way before he got credited with them. If memory serves me well, he was doing them in the first 6 months of Skateboard USA, but in the "under bowl" before he did them on the vert wall. So he started doing them in early 1977, before being credited with the move in 1978.

I did a 360 ollie to fakie in a 1/4 pipe. Is that a JT air, but 360?

pls pls pls do one on the history of the varial flip and why so many ppl hated on it! I NEED TO KNOW!!!

@RadRatVideo

7 жыл бұрын

If I ever find some interviews about it and learn enough to make a proper video, I will. But here are my thoughts off the top of my head: Back in the day, you could do shove its in a line. Not even popped. You could do a shove it, then a bigspin, then a fakie 360 shove it, and it was cool. And if you ever did a trick where the board landed backward, it was no big deal because you could just do a shove it to turn your board back and keep going. In time, things changed. Every trick in a line had to be a hammer. So if you did a varial flip, you would HAVE TO do a hardflip, inward heel or varial heel too. Shove its just weren't hard enough to be cool. So 180 spinning tricks were falling out of favor. On top of that, varial flips are just an easier version of a 360 flip. People weren't doing laser flips and 360 hardflips that much yet, so the 180 versions of those weren't as 'uncool'. I hope that helps. Again, I'll make a full video if I run into any good info on it, but that's how I think it went down.

@AnklepantsSkateZine

7 жыл бұрын

I really hope you've seen the Amazing Richie Jackson Skateboard Show episode about the varial flip.

@RadRatVideo

7 жыл бұрын

Good tip!

gunner Hugo was doing air in pools, first, history is always jaded.

I was a skateboarder from those times but didn't live in California. My friends and I learned our tricks on home built ramps and half pipes. We had to pick up tricks by reading skateboarder magazine. Alan's introduction of the Ollie was definitely the first we had seen or heard of it, but we did master it quickly.

Harry kallet did the invert canyon jump, frontside 540 canyon jump, footplant canyon jump in the small opening of the marina del Rey pool beside the turning point ramp

In my elementary school i always took out a skateboarding book from the library; credited Alan with the ollie and didn’t even mention Mullen

Once I have them down I’ll get someone to record it.

No I sk8ted with Allen he started to learn it on the slop. He took it to the vert wall in Hollywood Florida. Skateboard USA. He was 12 years old.

1:20 Troy Mcclure

1:23 that is definitely Troy McClure

phenomenal video

Pulling a little bit of air off of a ramp or in a pool is a way different story then an Ollie on flatland!!!!

Can you do the history of Casper?

Phil Hartmen with the narration of Skateboard Madness.

There is a very good possibility that the " Ollie " came from Allen Gelfand watching a friend of mine doing it in the mogal at Rainbow Wave in Tampa in the late 70s. I personally watched Alan watch me friend from the half pipe drop in near the mogal. It wasnt a casual glance ... he was studying the steps to pull it off. He and Mike McGill used to skate there for the bowl and the half pipe when there where in Florida. This was before they were well know either before or maybe at the very first talks of being hooked up with powell and peralta. I know it.. my friend Kenny knows it but we could care less. Alan made it his and did a world of good for skateboarding.

nice content with good argumentation. a little tip that you can use in future videos, a documentary called "VIDA SOBRE RODAS" (portuguese title, i´m from brazil). you can find this documentary here in youtube. this movie tells the beginning of brazillian skate (bob burnquist, sandro dias, lincoln ueda and others), it´s like the movie BONES BRIGADE, (i think VIDA SOBRE RODAS came first)

@RadRatVideo

7 жыл бұрын

Great! Thanks for the tip. I'll check it out.

Great stuff !

1:22 Was that narrator Troy McClure?

Was that Phil Hartman saying the "originator of the ollie air"? It sounded like him.

Picasso vs Braque. Picasso is a household name, but both have equal ownership of cubism. Braque gets a universal "who?"

I feel the first guy to actually do it owns it no matter how ugly.

This is great! I knew about the JT air but not the other (I like to binge on "Love Letters to Skateboarding" quite often). Also, that book seems like something worth reading. Also, have you seen the skateboard backflip out of the swing? It's from an old skate mag and I've always wondered how it happened. Apparently there's footage somewhere. kzread.info/dash/bejne/Z66F0baDj87Ygso.html

@RadRatVideo

7 жыл бұрын

No, I never saw that before! That was crazy. It doesn't look fake... But I don't know how it could be possible either. If you find anything out, let me know!

@AnklepantsSkateZine

7 жыл бұрын

Rad Rat Video - I sent a few emails to companies and mags asking for any tips on how he did that, but only heard a "we'll let you know if we find anything out" response.

Tatum is right! In a year or two later Tony Hawk would have been doing ollie's since he was already doing them to grab on vert! I read that book History of the Ollie and a lot of the details are interesting. The main problem is the author is a total Homer. Some may think every major trick was invented in Hollywood Florida. If you grew up in Southern Ca. You know the truth. All in all I suggest the book. For me skating since the 70's the book has killer photos. Also I really liked getting a history more so of the Florida skate scene. If you want to get another cool book from early on pick the book, "Push, Carve, Grind!" Well written and I came away with a clear picture of the Florida skate scene in the 70'&80's. It's a short read but doesn't come across as a Homer.

You know the magic flip as the kickflip. If Ollie was named something else it might change names in 40 years as so many tricks have.

I skated with Alan Gelfand at Skateboard USA-Hollywood, Florida. He was the absolutely the first person who was doing this, and his Ollie Hop was insane for the time. Alva invented the front side air. I also skated with Rodney Mullen at Sensation Basin-Gainesville FL in 1978, and he did not ride bowls very much. He was a "freestyle" skater. We call that street skating now. I always personally thought it was a vertical-bowl move and laugh at people doing on a sidewalk.

@lachtdichaus9064

Жыл бұрын

According to Craig B. Snyder and other contemporaries, he wasn't.

Wasn't Tony Alva the first to do a legit FS Air?

@6.thedollar415

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, but that involves grabbing your board.

Funny, 'cause I just bought an Alan Gelfand reissue deck for a really good deal. I really can't dig a skater with the ego to boastfully take the credit for someone else's trick, or any trick really. If I'd known about this I don't know if I would've bought the deck, i'll probably just sticker over the graphic.

@RadRatVideo

7 жыл бұрын

+David Russell Yeah it's pretty lame. I watched a few interviews with him over the years and he very clearly talks about how he invented it. He knew what he was doing.

@mr.jamster8414

4 жыл бұрын

It’s a good deck for bowls tho. (Wide, Long wheelbase, short nose, and concave) you can get the bones deck, same shape but different guys pro model.

Gotta pop tail to call it an Ollie. Tatum doesn't pop, Gelfand does.

For sure though, who ever does it best is a legend.

he didnt steal the ollie jeff showed alan the ollie when he did it on the snake run, alan is known for doing the first ollie on vert

Good content here

Jeff and others were doing them in the neighborhood. Alan was doing his at a place call "Skateboard U.S.A." in Hollywood (right along I-95). Lots more people watching/filming at the skatepark before it closed down. The boys headed to "the Hollywood Ramp" (as non Hollywood, Fl. guys called it) and were doing them all over the place. Rock n' Rolls were pretty avant guard at the time as well on that wooden ramp. Still remember the day when the G&S team (& others) came by and gave us all a flavor of the California styles.

Usually the first person to land a trick that nobody seen in a competition gets to claim it and even name the trick..are used to skateboard as a kid and occasionally would pop and Ali on my Nash skateboard up a curb not an actual Ali but sometimes close if not maybe accidentally that doesn't make me the inventor of it

You can't steal a trick you just do them. Not possible for gelfand to deceive the skate world, everyone was watching

@RadRatVideo

7 жыл бұрын

+Hosoi Archives they weren't watching until he was famous for inventing it

@hosoiarchives4858

7 жыл бұрын

Rad Rat Video right but what is implied is some conspiracy, many tricks the inventor or first make are unknown. No one knew in the late 70's how big the Ollie would become to skateboarding

Even Rodney Mullen thinks he invented the ollie! I heard him talk about it in interviews! I especially like the interview to where he broke it down play by play of How he Invented it!

@SlickRick4EVER

4 жыл бұрын

Rodney did, though.

If he hates attention so much why is he writing articles and appearing in books? And he was so offended he never did it again? The Hobie skateboard team was hopping up curbs, not ollieing really but just sort of pressing the tail and pressing the nose with some speed, in 1964. On vert and banks, little thrusty ollies just kind of happen. It seems like Gelfand was the first to get real air. Steve Rocco was doing 'pop' shove its over broom handles before Rodney invented flat ground ollies. Rodney was the first to really pop the tail and slide his front foot up the board and get real air on his flat ground ollies. That's the story as far as I'm concerned.

Actually jay Adams did the first variation of an Ollie in Del Mar 1975

jeff tatem did backside ollies before gelfend

So... we should be calling ollies Due Airs from now on?

1:22 Was that Troy McClure? (RIP P.H.)

@buckodonnghaile4309

5 жыл бұрын

That's him alright. He was also a commercial artist who created some legendary 70s album covers.

is that Troy McClure narrating that movie?

@buckodonnghaile4309

5 жыл бұрын

It actually is Phil Hartman (voice of Troy Mclure).

now alan runs a vw repair shop that leaves A LOT to be desired. dummy never made it out of hollywood, FL ...kind of sad really

It'd be so weird if we were calling them duerrs instead of ollies.

Ollie Anthem!

Yeah, Jeff Tatum way ahead of the crowd...

I think it was Jesus who did the first Ollie and we are still waiting for him to land it.

I think it's very important to know who did it. I mean, now we have to rename the trick. 😂😂 jk. But yeah, it's history.

my vote still goes to Tatum.

Like l said before I think Alane invented the 'OILLE' 😛🏂,because you can see it and maybe even curb jumping began back then ,but Mullen change it to what is being used out in the Streets now 😮🏂.if you would go to a court of Law Alan would get the credit 🏂 🤟😛.but you would have to give credit a lot of, is to the guy that invented the game SKATE (in-2003)🤗🤗.

Oh okay, so offended he stopped doing the trick forever 😂

Pretty sure Ollies were invented by some bloke called Ollie, otherwise why the fuck call it an “Ollie”?

Do the do

I call bullshit on Jeff duerr doing flat ground Ollie up curbs in 78, he did them but couldn't figure out how to get any real height???? Ummm that's not how that works. Your either getting the height or you aren't and if you do them enough you'll learn how to really snap them. On vert maybe he did do them first but once again, he didn't like media attention??? So he just stopped doing them???? That sounds like someone who just gave up way to easy but it also sounds like someone who was full of crap.

do you have a link to the video of your girlfriend? ...oh wait, that's right... 🥴

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the victors write the history ... so ...

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I was lucky to have Stacy Peralta find me he called me the first person he ever saw do it .Thank you for calling me a thief. Ollie G

@sle_epytight

3 жыл бұрын

What'd you search yourself?

Jeff Tatum was doing it first.

@wantmeX

5 жыл бұрын

was backside

@fishesndishes

4 жыл бұрын

@@wantmeX so?

@wantmeX

4 жыл бұрын

so alan did first frontside one

this book is a bunch of false word salad 😂Gelfand did the legit ollie first.

We all know u dont skate. So why make videos about it

@sle_epytight

3 жыл бұрын

He sure does and he was pretty good back in the day too.