Destiny Raiders That Refuse To Switch Roles

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  • @MKsBawlz
    @MKsBawlz7 ай бұрын

    “I messed up one time… why are they doing me like that?” I’ve had this exact situation happen to me so many times💀

  • @Sargatas

    @Sargatas

    2 ай бұрын

    This is literally how I live since birth. "Do 100 good things and everyone will forget. Mess up one time and each and every person in this room will lose their shit. And probably will remind you about this for your entire life."🙃

  • @ThePosrein
    @ThePosrein7 ай бұрын

    This is why I always secretly rejoice when I’m not the first to die.

  • @AcrylicKiss

    @AcrylicKiss

    7 ай бұрын

    True 🤣

  • @ThatLazyyGuy
    @ThatLazyyGuy7 ай бұрын

    Your friends act these scenarios out too well. I actually feel personally attacked

  • @Mark-wr8td

    @Mark-wr8td

    7 ай бұрын

    its just him

  • @count3122

    @count3122

    7 ай бұрын

    @@Mark-wr8td Nah I think those are his friends.

  • @koffeinekyle

    @koffeinekyle

    7 ай бұрын

    In Destiny 2, you are you're own best friend. This is 5 head comedy

  • @MorikTheRed

    @MorikTheRed

    7 ай бұрын

    It's a mental disorder. Where you imagine 5 other players but the whole time. He's been at it soloing the raid for 4 days straight

  • @ThatLazyyGuy

    @ThatLazyyGuy

    7 ай бұрын

    @@MorikTheRed that explains the “KWTD” raid video

  • @kristophershephard7359
    @kristophershephard73597 ай бұрын

    When you run your role perfectly as well as cover like 3 others and die for the first time or miss that last jump to start crotas damage phase because you're getting shot from below... Your videos are always in the feels.

  • @AcrylicKiss

    @AcrylicKiss

    7 ай бұрын

    FR 😭

  • @Dredgen_Prevail
    @Dredgen_Prevail7 ай бұрын

    I believe it's sadly safe to say many experienced raiders in Destiny have all had at least one group with that one teammate that'll see you screw up once, maybe twice, and although you had possibly the silliest mistakes that can easily be fixed upon next attempt.. They already start saying you should try a different role for the team. Like, I get it to an extent, I've seen a lot of situations where the teams I've been with was stuck because there's that one teammate that just dies or fails to do their role multiple times. No one wants to be stuck doing a raid for hours or more, longer than it really could or should take to complete, so it's important to talk to each other and come up with solutions if something like that persists. Destiny is a game though, it's not that serious, a classic trait used to describe being human is that no one is perfect, SOMETIMES YOU SLIP UP AND MAKE A GOOFY MISTAKE THAT MIGHT NOT EVEN SEEM POSSIBLE FOR YOU DEPENDING ON YOUR SKILL LEVEL AND EXPERIENCE! ...Like, chilllll bro, of you're gonna start trying to move people around so early they won't get a chance to prove they totally got their job in the bag and what if their not as comfortable doing the other roles because of lack of experience or something. On top of that as I'm sure you can tell by now, I'm not a fan of people doing this to me especially since I know what I'm doing, I like to let people know if I've got no experience with something or don't know what to do. Yet someone suddenly decides my YOU KNOW WHAT needs to get moved elsewhere when I only slipped up because we were at the same encounter for waaaaay longer than what we were probably capable of doing! Broooo, you can start getting people upset like myself here, talking to them like their new or incapable of doing something they've been doing long enough to make it so brain dead easy!? Just relax and stop trying to point fingers at people, it's frustrating sometimes yes, but if you're too quick to judge and act on something like that you could just cause more problems! I had to cook a little and let that one out of my system, I'm sorry for the wall of text xD

  • @kenduto

    @kenduto

    7 ай бұрын

    Let it all out fam it’s tough out here🤣

  • @samuelbeaudet3637

    @samuelbeaudet3637

    7 ай бұрын

    People on lfg are either you do 1 or 2 mistakes you switch to add clear or let a guy fuck up 20 times and say nothing.

  • @yungflashbeats
    @yungflashbeats7 ай бұрын

    The definition of insanity got me dying😂😂

  • @gunmaster260
    @gunmaster2607 ай бұрын

    This is the result of people who can't take accountability of their own actions/failures and are too sensitive to be approached about it. Everyone in the group knows if you press them on it then they will quit and you'll be down a player. That's why the "Everyone just calm down" and "Let's try it again" happens because confronting the person only makes it worse. But when someone reliable and accountable makes a mistake, you can safely dig at them without the fear of losing a team member because of hurt feelings. TLDR: People suck at this game and can't accept it.

  • @perrycarters3113

    @perrycarters3113

    22 күн бұрын

    I don't know who I dislike more: The people who suck and keep causing a wipe, or the people who are so fkn stubborn about doing some weird, obscure cheese strat rather than trying to just do it normally and causing us to wipe on repeat while they try to force the cheese rather than get it done normally in one go. Was running DSC a while ago and there was this one guy who insisted on trying to cheese everything. 1st encounter was fine, not really any wonky cheese there, but the man would freak the absolute fk out if anyone suggested leaving 1-2 people downstairs on Atraks-1 to guarantee we can get at least 3 damage phases, insisting "Nah you'd only suggest that if you know you're fkn trash, you're probably the reason we're not 1-phasing it" even after I was in the top 2 damage on Atraks the last 5 attempts in a row. FINALLY I just stayed downstairs by whispering to our Scanner to just deposit the buff down to me without telling buddy about it and we got it in that run. Buddy acted like we owed him for "Carrying" us in that encounter. Then in 3rd encounter, for some reason he refused to let anyone else do Suppressor and would deposit Suppressor and kill himself and demand we res him so he could just pick it up again. After 2 hours of attempts, we ended up having to complete the encounter during the wipe timer because we spent 3 res tokens on him just for that and another 2 of us died normally, and then the last person with a res token died so we barely cleared it with like 10 seconds left. Then Taniks didn't really have a cheese, but he again insisted on being Suppressor even though he would speedrun the FK out of stunning Taniks even if the second bubble hadn't been broken yet, so sometimes the Operator(me)would get disabled before the second bubble popped up and I'd have to run, grab the nuke and run it to the box while someone else rezzed them and he actually screamed at me when I told him it was his fault. The only justice in that raid was as soon as Taniks got into final stand, the party leader booted the obnoxious guy back to orbit and just said "Reading the hate mail I'm about to receive is so worth how annoying he was being." It was a 5 hour DSC run. My average DSC run is like 80-90 minutes, and that's with a team that wipes a couple times on each encounter due to teaching some first timers.

  • @Jonathanrawrr
    @Jonathanrawrr7 ай бұрын

    That is so me too lmaoo. I do it flawlessly every single time but I mess up once and they point fingers lol

  • @SolKnightt
    @SolKnightt7 ай бұрын

    Spot on. Usually those guys either get kicked or rage quit saying WE suck lol.

  • @EyeConZX
    @EyeConZX7 ай бұрын

    Unfortunately this was too relatable with what happened to me in Root of Nightmares. This guy happened to be a runner in the scission encounter where all he had to do was cross to connect the nodes but he kept dying and dying. Apparently he was attempting to shatter skate. Some people were calling out to him that he should switch his role from being a runner and he was going off on the guys who told him to change his role. That was some most Destinyiest moment I’ve ever had experienced in my life. I’ve never heard anyone throw a tantrum about why they shouldn’t be off on the role they’re at.

  • @thrilla72

    @thrilla72

    7 ай бұрын

    This is why the boot fireteam member button was invented

  • @HirasSketches

    @HirasSketches

    7 ай бұрын

    Throwing by skating is wild

  • @Changingtesting

    @Changingtesting

    7 ай бұрын

    Guy must’ve been new to skating cause i eat crayons and run adept immortal and im able to get shatter skate down. But most times I just put on lion ramparts and sword fly across

  • @fireheartclan
    @fireheartclan7 ай бұрын

    It gets worse when you join people who have been playing together with each other forever.

  • @kristophershephard7359

    @kristophershephard7359

    7 ай бұрын

    Ikr. One dude is the weak link out of the two it's rough.

  • @donalddavis303

    @donalddavis303

    7 ай бұрын

    Guy who has been playing with his "Friend" who has been messing up "you know what do do" *bounce* Then I clear it on it with the same other two people after those *kwtd* raiders leave

  • @nightismonochrome
    @nightismonochrome7 ай бұрын

    I remember I had this issue with my crota day 1 lfg. I was killing knights and just one of two doing ad clear while three other teammates were hiding in the corridors "playing their life". After a dozen wipes, I mess up once and get told maybe I should switch roles and should play my life more. I say ok, we wipe because no one killed knights. Got blamed again. We go again, Knights get killed, but this time everyone but me gets incinerated by wizards while swapping buffs because no one is killing ads. Got blamed again. Team disentigrates. Next group I lfg with, we kill crota in a few tries.

  • @jacktaber8489
    @jacktaber84897 ай бұрын

    "We'll LFG the last guy" I remember those days...

  • @TheManOfTheHourEveryHour
    @TheManOfTheHourEveryHour22 күн бұрын

    I'ma just solo my Raids. The energy of these "conversations" aren't worth letting into my aura 😂

  • @bladerunner2017
    @bladerunner20177 ай бұрын

    Your videos continue to be totally on point. I felt that one personally. 😂

  • @johnpaulcross424
    @johnpaulcross4247 ай бұрын

    Comms are always hilarious in these vids, great editing too

  • @Khyrus
    @Khyrus7 ай бұрын

    This is one situation I can relate to, holy that hurts

  • @alexandersveryown4760
    @alexandersveryown4760Ай бұрын

    Its ALWAYS after we call out someone for messing up alot that we mess up once right after😂

  • @basalsnaill
    @basalsnaill7 ай бұрын

    The messed up one time and now you're the problem is so real XD

  • @quickstep9815
    @quickstep9815Ай бұрын

    bro im just here to say the title and the thumbnail knocked me out LOLX. cant even watch it cuz i know what it entails but goddammit was that thumbnail perfect lol

  • @kevintraore9189
    @kevintraore918924 күн бұрын

    Please keep makin these ❤

  • @BowPlayKay
    @BowPlayKay7 ай бұрын

    Yooo this is how it really is too! Root of nightmares had me in groups just like this lol

  • @jasonshumakeris7104
    @jasonshumakeris71047 ай бұрын

    Bro ya videos be so accurate 🤣

  • @bellcranel8873
    @bellcranel88735 ай бұрын

    This actually happens more often than ppl might think 😂 usually when you call someone out, you end up messing up the very next run yourself, even tho you rarely ever mess up. Maybe it’s because you end up focusing so much on someone else doing their job that you neglect your own one. So the basic solution to any situation where the raid isn’t going well is to just ask someone random what they think the problem is 🤣 with any luck they will call out the problem you were thinking and all you have to do is agree

  • @joshuabrown4652
    @joshuabrown46527 ай бұрын

    Literally my Div run doing the last puzzle. Finally got the kid to switch to 1st position. We got it first try.

  • @gideonampadu2350
    @gideonampadu2350Ай бұрын

    Ooo bro you making me not wanna come back to raiding again because I had to dealt with situations like this and it just sucks the fun out of it 😂

  • @MantecadoMantecadito
    @MantecadoMantecadito7 ай бұрын

    Love your videos

  • @Azi_OS
    @Azi_OS7 ай бұрын

    Tried doing Last WIsh with a lfg, and we did Kalli first try, though 2 phase. Then Suro chi, we kept wiping because people kept forgetting that they already stood on a specific plate. I tried pushing said person off the plate to replace them even though I was ad clear, and then I suddenly am being blamed for "standing on the wrong plate"... I saved 2 puzzles only for them to fail the last one. Had enough after 12 runs. Got a new LFG and finished the raid in an hour, but thats bc it wasnt super serious.

  • @orthrusthetoad
    @orthrusthetoad21 күн бұрын

    I jave titan brain, you tell me what to kill, ill make it dead, you twll me to complete a puzzle, i turn into a lemming.

  • @wolf1nsoul
    @wolf1nsoul7 ай бұрын

    It's always that "Yeah i definitely know what to do" guy...

  • @tde4438
    @tde443822 күн бұрын

    I never say a word in a raid unless I’m in a position that requires callouts, and if I mess up, at any point doing anything, holy shit, you’d think I committed a war crime

  • @fenris.507
    @fenris.507Ай бұрын

    "im not switching, ad clear Bobby is in the name"

  • @jem-vr5zj
    @jem-vr5zj2 ай бұрын

    2nd week of pantheon with my group was like 😂😂

  • @kristophershephard7359
    @kristophershephard73597 ай бұрын

    Anthem(timelost) hahaha Happy Thanksgiving

  • @txmrlevine
    @txmrlevine7 ай бұрын

    Been there. So many times folks will leave because we are having trouble. Get more 1st time we get it

  • @RpgGuyVerified
    @RpgGuyVerified7 ай бұрын

    When you dont want to use that one exotic for the raid boss that everyone uses but something else that ls actually good that you like 👌

  • @gilbertjasso2172
    @gilbertjasso21727 ай бұрын

    Facts funny shit bro!!!

  • @dyrellius
    @dyrelliusАй бұрын

    Bro brought back my Lost Ark PTSD lol

  • @Zen.V2
    @Zen.V22 ай бұрын

    And the encounter always be the freest encounter

  • @GaussTheWarframe
    @GaussTheWarframe7 ай бұрын

    Bro you’re a gem among D2 creators.

  • @Changingtesting
    @Changingtesting7 ай бұрын

    Destiny lfg raiders could never do a WoW raid. And as someone who does destiny raids as a quiet almost no mic and does my role averagely, I do get irritated when I see someone mess up their *one* job for the 7th time on the 7th wipe. At some points I even double task jobs just to not be bother with them, I rather carry then be dragged behind by them

  • @ziegfeld4131

    @ziegfeld4131

    2 ай бұрын

    Yea wow with its 10k addons that play the game for you is really hard lmao wow raids are baby raids my dude go do ultimates in ff14 then talk

  • @Noh_17
    @Noh_17Ай бұрын

    Me with the 2nd encounter crotas end LFG throught fire team finder

  • @BomberManPlayz
    @BomberManPlayz21 күн бұрын

    I got stuck in a 13hr vog recently due to a similar problem.

  • @eeveeofalltrades4780
    @eeveeofalltrades4780Ай бұрын

    I always take the role that doesn't require calling out or listening because I'm on PS4, have no mic, and can barely understand the VC unless I concentrate.

  • @3ChZer0
    @3ChZer05 күн бұрын

    Favoritism at it's peak

  • @izzyxblades
    @izzyxblades7 ай бұрын

    This is too real

  • @JanPapiezGaming
    @JanPapiezGaming7 ай бұрын

    too real lmao

  • @BatemanGosling
    @BatemanGosling6 ай бұрын

    VOW raid in a nutshell especially they have no idea how 1st encounter works

  • @bobhenry2663
    @bobhenry26637 ай бұрын

    When you mess up add clear and know you are about to make everyone rage quit because you’re too under level for any other role

  • @jetwayjesus
    @jetwayjesus7 ай бұрын

    His name should’ve been the indicator

  • @Skm00n
    @Skm00n7 ай бұрын

    Hahahaha so true, LFG is the true final boss of the game. Keep up the videos

  • @fadeddragon123
    @fadeddragon1232 ай бұрын

    There’s a reason I stick to add clear or mechanics I can do on my own without any communication.

  • @henryrahoni8772
    @henryrahoni8772Ай бұрын

    LFG is the definition of “i got add clear” Proceeds to die to adds

  • @LouieAbstract_nyc
    @LouieAbstract_nyc7 ай бұрын

    This too real 😅

  • @octohumboldt5214
    @octohumboldt52147 ай бұрын

    I got kicked from and LFG at a wipe and blamed for using Thunderlord even although I did the most damage on the wipe and I was the last one alive with everyone saying "We're wiping, just jump off the map."

  • @jordanmancini
    @jordanmanciniАй бұрын

    Literally me in Day 1 for King's Fall. Had 2 teams I was helping. First was great, didn't have many issues got to Golgoroth and Fireteam lead fell asleep. Second team spent 5 hours in Totems, 3 100 Resil loreley titans, all died before me when I was doing funny 26 Resil blink hunter shenanigans. Only died twice and caused a wipeand it was to the unstop ogre both times.

  • @synchacker25
    @synchacker257 ай бұрын

    this why ihost my own lobbys i will not tolerate eggbrains like this 🤣

  • @IDONTGAFDUDES
    @IDONTGAFDUDES2 ай бұрын

    If im in that fireteam i just leave.. if im fireteam leader.. well you know what happends straight away

  • @trailmountain8336
    @trailmountain83367 ай бұрын

    😂 one time is all it takes

  • @HapyyTheCat
    @HapyyTheCat7 ай бұрын

    i swear to you i have done the vog entrance skipped, solo oracles, gorgon skipped, solo 1 side gatekeeper, and solo oracle on aetheon. And these degenerate fks had the audacity to blame for setting off detainment in the group. AND IT WASNT EVEN ME. safe to say i left.

  • @Darkmatt3rPlays
    @Darkmatt3rPlays7 ай бұрын

    Every freaking time😢

  • @thegamerdevv6001
    @thegamerdevv6001Ай бұрын

    nah its the one when doing everything so good and out dps everybody and get kicked

  • @X_Abyss_X
    @X_Abyss_X24 күн бұрын

    That's why I switch fireteams after the 3rd wipe.

  • @21nosavage60
    @21nosavage607 ай бұрын

    Haha this video speaks to me on a very personal lvl .

  • @MrM3lee89
    @MrM3lee8922 күн бұрын

    Bro I was helping newer and returning d2 players with crota… after hr 3 on crota encounter I got yelled at for accidentally dropping sword… upon having chalice I call out to have someone grab it then started to countdown because they weren’t close for exchange… they reached me when I was at 2 seconds and stood there and watched me die with it and then they all blamed me for the one and only wipe I caused… so ungrateful 🤦‍♂️

  • @kennyryan3176
    @kennyryan31762 ай бұрын

    Getting death threats on a day one release because you don’t know how to do the encounter and are learning as you go

  • @Meowow55iscat
    @Meowow55iscat2 ай бұрын

    Bro I was running Crypt the other day and I was op, and the scanners were actually so bad like it was crazy, and they accused ME of not being able to do my job. The discrimination is insane.

  • @JK___.
    @JK___.7 ай бұрын

    that’s crazy

  • @JButterZJ
    @JButterZJ26 күн бұрын

    I dislike bungies idea of difficulty being that dying once can ruin a whole run

  • @mewmewmineable
    @mewmewmineable7 ай бұрын

    When u give the last member add clear role, just to see them take random roles to do and screw mechanics they dont know well enough or symbols like vow/ wish vault.

  • @COREcasual
    @COREcasual7 ай бұрын

    Yeah i had a couple of guys i would run GMs with. A couple of times in the hallowed lair boss, they both died and i tried to stay alive long enough to rez them and i died because i was by myself and I'm average at the game... and they both started bitching at me for dying. At first i felt bad but then i was like "wtf, you both died before me, assholes" and i stopped running with them lol

  • @PodClips213
    @PodClips2132 ай бұрын

    I had one raid where i messed something small up once And it didnt even cause a wipe And after i left one person said "atleast we can get someone who knows what to do now"

  • @littleman350
    @littleman3507 ай бұрын

    I actually booted a friend one time cause he wouldn't help. He kept saying he would get ads and we needed one person to help and not do ads only. I knew he could and knew how but after over an hour of beating my head into a wall trying to cover everything but ads I said it was time to boot somebody and find another person that would do something. I don't mind teaching but nobody wanted to learn or didn't understand and the one i knew could refused.

  • @Hassassin119
    @Hassassin1197 ай бұрын

    perfect opportunity to switch with the guy struggling with his roll

  • @JinZX1
    @JinZX1Ай бұрын

    The one time you can't pull all the mechanics off while they all clear ads and volunteer for a spot they weren't paying attention to.

  • @burksweitzer5687
    @burksweitzer56877 ай бұрын

    Why does this remind me of KF Totems

  • @noblevendetta
    @noblevendetta7 ай бұрын

    Too accurate

  • @wretched3gg
    @wretched3ggАй бұрын

    We had add clear main blaming the planet guys for dying last week. He left the encounter. As soon as he left we got the whole raid done

  • @Fire4ward
    @Fire4ward7 ай бұрын

    What usually happens is I say “Hey, I can switch with you to do the role” and then everyone says “No let him do it, man he’s got it” and it takes two more hours to get through one encounter! 🤣

  • @ammar-titi1588
    @ammar-titi15887 ай бұрын

    Ah yes Farcry 3 reference

  • @TheNemisisx
    @TheNemisisx3 ай бұрын

    I remember once i was doing a last wish lfg run. We were struggling at shuro chi, some guy kept dying over and over and im doing the mechanics with no issues, i didn't die at all and then when we wiped for the 5th time they tell me to get off the mechanics role and im thinking to myself "wtf i didnt even cause the team to wipe"

  • @jacobpinson2834
    @jacobpinson28342 ай бұрын

    Every raid I have been in where one person is dying a lot, they ask for help unless someone was being a jerk. Every time I have seen people asked to switch positions, it was because the host shouldn't be raiding with how much they clog vc

  • @joshuachelette6277
    @joshuachelette627721 күн бұрын

    100 percent accurate

  • @Nikatnite.
    @Nikatnite.7 ай бұрын

    Bro, die quickly in succession and refuse to switch, thats a boot fr

  • @KingWizard26
    @KingWizard267 ай бұрын

    A good raid teammate is one who admits they’re screwing up the mechanic and requests to be switched.

  • @sf49erboyjr
    @sf49erboyjr7 ай бұрын

    Relatable 🤣

  • @namenotfound2456
    @namenotfound24562 ай бұрын

    My old clan be like:

  • @u213044
    @u2130447 ай бұрын

    Facts 💯 😂

  • @Brindale
    @Brindale2 ай бұрын

    My 3rd time doing VoG I had an experience like this Guy was struggling on plate at Atheon, I volunteered to be the spare runner sitting outside gate, saw that he was rocketing the overload and not stunning it, brought up that he was struggling Some other guy started having a hissyfit/flaming/cussing me and the fireteam leader out saying we we were blaming our mistakes on the guy Turns out it wasnt that he forgot to take overload rocket launcher in artifact, he just never did the seasonal artifact quest, we just had him sit inside the gate so he wouldnt have to deal with champs, other guy ragequit after trying to int us by sabotaging relic/breaking oracles in wrong order; we lfg'd a 6th

  • @RoseGardenDream
    @RoseGardenDream7 ай бұрын

    And this is why I don’t raid.

  • @Meth0dAct0r
    @Meth0dAct0r7 ай бұрын

    Unironically the best Bungie adjacent content on YT rn

  • @ashdro2891
    @ashdro2891Ай бұрын

    Bro people need to learn to calm down and need to let someone else take their role instead of just being rude and saying no and not letting you or someone else take there role learn to listen. Oh so I what to say your videos are awesome Kenduto

  • @thorveim1174
    @thorveim11742 ай бұрын

    also me when I first raided in root of nightmare chllenge mode: "rocket DPS? i dont have a good one... dont have div either ofc.. i'd like the role but I just dont have the gear for it!"

  • @simonjack9699
    @simonjack9699Ай бұрын

    It's understandable why they refused because they are some things that people feel more comfortable. it's a video game the idea is to feel comfortable with what you want to play as and what play style you prefer. That's why I'm against the whole idea to kick people just because somebody doesn't want to follow the meta, and they rather do a build or load out that they feel comfortable with that is still effective for DPS and survivability. Yes doing the meta is important but sometimes you got to switch it up you don't want to do the same thing over and over get bored and then get sick and tired of playing destiny. Example I seen people in clans and on discord quit the game for several months because of the meta they got sick of it.

  • @danielhoward9729
    @danielhoward97292 ай бұрын

    This. This is why I just mute and do work. I look for the problem and compensate because there is no point in trying to teach stupid people. They are unwilling to help themselves.

  • @crimsonstardrago9707
    @crimsonstardrago9707Ай бұрын

    Rez tokens are by far the worst thing they introduced to the game next to champions.

  • @HEllFIRE-JINX
    @HEllFIRE-JINX7 ай бұрын

    This same shit with all the other problems the game has is why I quit

  • @Eddycut
    @Eddycut7 ай бұрын

    So fucking true, this one mf kept dying becase his hunter had shit stats and wouldn't switch classes until the 30th wipe during a crota raid

  • @Eddycut

    @Eddycut

    7 ай бұрын

    @elephantality3753 lol imagine using 1 class

  • @OnionRingsGaming
    @OnionRingsGaming7 ай бұрын

    YEP

  • @ChaoticD3sTroYeR
    @ChaoticD3sTroYeR7 ай бұрын

    yeah, I've met a few incompetent players, they ruin the fun. Like bro, if this position is too hard for ya, switch with someone else and lets get it done. I remember being stuck at the 3RD VOW encounter for 3 hours when I was first learning it, I eventually left.

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