That lore entry was some of that real cosmic horror that destiny needed. Very happy

@luk4aaaa

Жыл бұрын

Same

@devorizer5959

Жыл бұрын

We need that in actual cutscenes/gameplay now

@OrificeHorus

Жыл бұрын

​@Devorizer but that's the challenge: how exactly does one animate and illustrate this crazy shit without it looking campy and terrible?

@MagnaTurban

Жыл бұрын

I agree, that’s a chilling lore entry, I literally shivered from the description of the ghost screaming

@arryn786

Жыл бұрын

@@OrificeHoruswdym? The lore entry? It literally describes what happens… it would be extremely easy to animate.

New Witness wipe mechanic: Discombobulate

@redohealer2

Жыл бұрын

We need it as an actual wipe mechanic.

@Shadic3000

Жыл бұрын

Sherlock “The Witness” Holmes

@miagostream6223

Жыл бұрын

“First…Distract target”

@inktoxicant

Жыл бұрын

Witness busted out the goddamn thingamajig

@Lancersilva

Жыл бұрын

In conclusion, discombobulate.

Man, some of these lines gave me chills. "His Ghost's scream stretches from the moment of the big bang to the heat death of the universe", "He catches up to the scream.", bungie writers keep going hard af

@nonna0157

Жыл бұрын

Still have no idea what that means

@fohnicus

Жыл бұрын

@@nonna0157 the scream stretched across all known time (from the big bang - the start of the universe, to the heat death - the theorized end of our universe) and the guardian was somehow out of step despite being destroyed by the same event as the ghost. the event itself blew them apart in every sense of the word.

@librainiacgame613

Жыл бұрын

@@nonna0157 if you mean "going hard", basically just doing something very well and with intensity, not pulling punches, etc.

@cloaker4213

Жыл бұрын

so how i got it was that his ghost witnessed the longest death possible in the universe. (from the big bang to the heat death. Thus if this is a time manipulation field, this ghost have suffered for 14.7 billion years - infinite years the few seconds the ship passed through

@nonna0157

Жыл бұрын

@@librainiacgame613 no I mean what he meant by the screaming stretching from the Big Bang to the heat death of the universe

When I learned that Titan was Joxer, it made his death all the more saddening. But it is nice to see lore characters getting more screen time... even though two of them are now dead. RIP Joxer and Reed-7.

@corym.m.3084

Жыл бұрын

Literally a very small percentage even know who they are let alone even heard this name. I watched all of the lore videos byf did and I don’t even remember these names

@This_Pleases_The_Nut

Жыл бұрын

Waiting for Randy to use his scout rifle to kill the Witness

@beninmalgaard9836

Жыл бұрын

@@This_Pleases_The_Nut Just throws it like a throwing knife and it pokes the Witness in the eye. 🗡️😂

@This_Pleases_The_Nut

Жыл бұрын

@@beninmalgaard9836 "Behold! Randy's Throwing Knife!" *He throws the scout rifle*

@beninmalgaard9836

Жыл бұрын

@@This_Pleases_The_Nut *YEEEET* 🤣🤣

You know, I can't help but wonder about Crow's ship. The Traveler gives him a ship that breaks the laws of the universe, and nobody has wondered if this might be the reason? Like, what if Crow was given the Accipitor as some sort of 'break glass in case of emergency' type deal? It would at least pick up that plot thread.

@humanmale1042

Жыл бұрын

Honestly that’s a great theory, like the only way we get in is through crow

@agamer1016

3 ай бұрын

You guys must feel pretty good right now 😂

What happened when Joxer crossed the portal was, almost, word for word, identical to what some physicists believe could happen when crossing into a blackhole. That you could see the light from the big bang, and you would see the heat death of the universe rush into view

@dudemanryan

Жыл бұрын

That was my exact thought. Iirc you'd be stretched out via spaghettification and would see all of the past and future. Weird stuff

@kauzo7650

Жыл бұрын

It seems like the portal has the same effect as the event horizon of a black hole. Taking up your vision until the point from which you came looks like a sphere

@solidicone

Жыл бұрын

Similar yes but there wouldn't be any retrieval of anything. We'd never know he was even dead because once you cross that boundary, nothing can ever escape it. So it might be similar but we found the wreckage and his body fused with the hull. That implies that information can be retrieved from it. Far as we know the only way information can ever leave a blackhole is via hawking radiation, but this thing spat back out things generally in the same way it went in (beyond the obvious warping of it).

@tsunertoo9149

Жыл бұрын

​@@solidicone My thought was that maybe Joxer didn't die from that as much aswhat happened afterwards was impercievable to him his ghost and everything. After all he said the ghost was coming apart at the SEAMS. I'm pretty sure black holes don't do that. It sounds more like whatever this portal does is similar to what the witness does, makes things seperate at their most base structure. Remember the Glykon did this too, and when IT was morphing the gaurdian on it said he could feel the ship stretching, morphing, coming apart from thevery bolts and then building itself backtogether. You can actually apply this to what happened. Joxer didn't just feel the present, he was feeling the past AND the future. If yopu imagine time as a string that meant whatever this was was doing something to him and his time line as the glykon, taking moments in his existence and stretching them

@YanagiYamafuji009

Жыл бұрын

​@solidicone actually as of late the idea of what's to happen to you when you enter a black hole is currently being questioned in the scientific community but they also think it's a portal that links one universe to another

The time between "The moment of the big bang to the heat death of the universe" is roughly 1.7x10^106 years. That is 17 with 106 zeroes after it. Lets just say that Joxars ghost did not enjoy that.

Him catching up to his scream is such a cool detail that I only really got the meaning of the second time I read it

@lettucego1818

Жыл бұрын

What did it mean

@deltaorez4593

Жыл бұрын

@@lettucego1818 in a nutshell it meant that he saw a few seconds into the future where he died, and then he died

@LearnedSophistry

Жыл бұрын

He also saw the heat death of the universe, 100 trillion years into the future, where all existence is only occupied by black holes

@maniacalcoast2742

Жыл бұрын

@@lettucego1818 it means that while his ghost was screaming. He experienced a lot within a very short time frame, that felt very long. When it finished, he finally was able to snap back to the current situation

Poor Joxxer. The guy went through so much awful stuff, just to end up as a mangled mess in space.

@johnny44937

Жыл бұрын

Yeah idk why bungie couldn’t had just did this with some random titan honestly Like imagine if we were actually able to meet alot of these inlore characters Even siegefried sounds badass

@nerag7459

Жыл бұрын

he died as he lived...

@masterchief2303

Жыл бұрын

Wasted

@theSixPathsOfTrains

Жыл бұрын

@@johnny44937 What baffles me is that they didn't think "hum think could south very bad we should keep his ghost back and revive him then ask him questions" What we got "Nah he be fine 🤪 yolo!"

@Indoraptor769

Жыл бұрын

​@@johnny44937i would've loved to meet shayuras fireteam, maybe get an entire season based off them. But now that reed-7 is dead, it would be disappointing just meeting shayura and aisha

So you're telling me riven offed her own species to be a unique source of power for mara? That's sounds very twisted, but then again riven is an ahamkara.

@grimacetexas9719

Жыл бұрын

Everything that has to do with ahamkara stuff is twisted, i'm pretty sure riven only gave the tools to hunt the other ahamkaras (which is basically the same thing)

@Keksgame

Жыл бұрын

Well, it's even more fucked up that one of the most powerful beings we know/knew of, was forced to help with the extinction of her own species by Mara Sov. The same Mara Sov that is the one "ally" of us that we trust the most

@grimacetexas9719

Жыл бұрын

@@Keksgame trust me if genies decided to basically invade us and fk us up we would find a genie lamp and ask him to provide us with ways to kill his brothers/sisters to save ourselves. Destiny world is not nice, you do what you can with what you have to survive. Those who allied with us did so because we were powerful enouth to be of use to them.

@candacewilliams5957

Жыл бұрын

​@@Keksgame I don't trust mara lol. I'm not an awoken. She's out for herself and her kind

The "Akashic record" being accessible through meditation might give us an explanation as to how Ikora was present (seemingly) inside the portal with cayde on the final shape teaser, or in the very least how she was able to communicate with him through it. She is infamous for achieveing these "higher states of mind" after all, the European Aerial Zone being a tangible example of it. As for the video/lore itself, dear God that was some SERIOUS cosmic horror concepts being thrown. As soon as the entry said "Eric" i knew we would be dealing with time shenanigans and when the Ghost's scream "streched through the big bang all the way to the heat death of the universe" and Joxer "caught up to his own scream" i unironically had goosebumps.

As a Titan main, kinda hurts seeing some fellow titans get absolutely wiped and mangled by cosmic horrors beyond normal human comprehension. Then again, it’s a very titan way to go out!

@LetMeEatIt

Жыл бұрын

I thought ethereal horrors were more of a warlock way to die

@belliebun4529

Жыл бұрын

“Rather fall into my grave, gun in hand and on fire” - V

@J-manli

Жыл бұрын

@@LetMeEatIt Warlocks are the ones who set up the same experiment and perform the autopsy.

@maxcrss2845

Жыл бұрын

Titans fall to ethereal horrors, hunters get punched to death, and warlocks get assassinated. It’s why a complete fireteam can watch each others backs :)

@kilojuliet4

Жыл бұрын

​@@maxcrss2845 Lethal rock-paper-scissors there.

The Gambit lore made me LOL - the first match was so bad the only surviving Titan on one of the teams never returned; I felt that deeply 😂

@GrayvesX

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, because everyone else had their final death there

@aceofqueens3209

Жыл бұрын

It wasn't a bad match of gambit, it was a death sentence, that's why he left,

@Rodrianius

Жыл бұрын

​@@aceofqueens3209makes you think what a mf your Guardian is, since you helped Drifter put together Gambit Prime and test it out, back in that specific Season

@josegamez9808

Жыл бұрын

@@Rodrianius definitely fits with the theme of Forsaken as a whole, going rogue and full edge lord

he will be remembered as the no drip titan forever

And here I thought it was Reed-7 but Reed-7 is the one that got sliced

@averagemumeienjoyer5498

Жыл бұрын

Wait Reed 7 like the Trials teamed with Aisha and Shayura Reed-7?

@connortindale962

Жыл бұрын

@@averagemumeienjoyer5498 Yes. Homie is gone.

@averagemumeienjoyer5498

Жыл бұрын

@@connortindale962 hoo boi...Shayura isnt gonna like this (assuming she wasnt part of the other jump ships when Witness spaghettied those) knowing on of her friends is dead. She has gone through a lot already. -Lost Sloane on Titan during Arrivals -Got severe PTSD by brutally killing a "Hive Knight" on a Trials match -Went full inquisitorial against Stasis users. -Might have a few dead Guardians in her closet -Had to be sent in a rehab (no trial for apparently since Consensus aint around) -Haunted by the guardians she killed -Now, losing her friend Reed-7

I wonder if, while the Veil forged a link, the pyramid ships were the actual key to stabilizing the temporal distortion, since they do utilize gravity as a weapon, which does influence time when it's strong enough

@grimacetexas9719

Жыл бұрын

The pyramids ships were made before the witness people became enemies with the traveveller, its just the shape they chose to build their ships into

@dravendarkplays9607

Жыл бұрын

​@@grimacetexas9719 they. Still manipulate gravity. Seeing as how it's what one small one did to Titan

@GamingStar1995

Жыл бұрын

The pyramid ships all had Radial masts aboard them. The same one that was covered in flowers when the Traveler blasted the pyramid ship that held Nezarec. They nullified the light of the Traveler along with the Veil's link which helped to open the portal. The veil = the Winnower. The Traveler = The Gardener. When the 2 combine, the portal leads to the realm of the Garden. Where the 2 beings first played their game. Or Should I say, When

@azmbp2

Жыл бұрын

@@GamingStar1995 amazing how everything you said was wrong, innit?

@GamingStar1995

Жыл бұрын

@@azmbp2 Amazing how you added nothing else to your comment to prove me otherwise. Funny innit?

Joxer hearing his past life before being a guardian is probably the wildest thing I’ve heard in Lightfall so far

Joxxer's Ghost's scream and Joxxer's scream are different, based on the wording. The ghost's scream was from the beginning to the end of the universe, Joxxer's was from what I imagine was one of his last experiences before become a guardian (Eric's end, Joxxer's beginning), to his final experience, his scream. His ghost is an extension of the Traveller, an entity that likely exists independent of the universe (I'm not wording this as precisely as I'd like, but it's close to what I mean). Has existed from it's start and will exist until its end. If the portal collapses your existence into a temporal "singularity" of sorts, it makes sense that Joxxers' would be the cumulative experiences of his time as a guardian, but his ghost's experiences, as being tied to the traveller, being a tiny piece of it, might span the breadth of the universe. Really interesting and cool lore stuff, either way.

It would've been nice to see Joxer in some Gambit armor as a nod to the Witherhoard lore tab

The Traveller and Veil met at the point of the portal. It doesn’t surprise me that on the Veil side of things (as the manifestation of darkness), there’s a rush of darkness related happenings, fragments of memories returning in an instant. Darkness is order, and memory is a record, an account of things, the quantifying of everything. That Joxer went splat at the convergence of order and chaos (in the form of the Traveller) sounds quite understandable really! Like having the order of your cells completely randomised in the space of a single moment. Whiplash at a fundamental level.

I think the wrong guardians are trying to enter. After all, the portal is of light and dark. We have tasted both sides! Maybe, we should be the test rat. Or we could launch Drifter at it!

@refuzal4221

Жыл бұрын

I mean if anybody’s gonna survive, it’s absolutely the drifter

@chromacypher8409

Жыл бұрын

@@refuzal4221 we just claim, "The Nine made us do it!"

@GrayvesX

Жыл бұрын

Send Rat as the test rat

@ObsoleteVodkaYT

Жыл бұрын

But if that's the case then The Witness couldn't have been able to cross the portal...

@chromacypher8409

Жыл бұрын

@@ObsoleteVodkaYT Except it can manipulate ghosts, so it may be part of the light.

The portal leads to the forbidden 25th hour of the day only achievable by drinking 5 5 hour energys at once.

@SergeyWaytov

Жыл бұрын

Are you referring to Russian Badger meme, or was Badger crew been referring to a meme I missed on?

@kaibiv

Жыл бұрын

WHATEVER YOU DO DO NOT FILL UP A SUPER BIG GULP CUP WITH 5 HOUR ENERGY AND DRINK THE WHOLE THING,MY HEART HAS EITHER STOPPED COMPLETELY OR IS BEATING SO FAST I CANNOT FEEL MY OWN PULSE CONS: I HAVENT SLEPT IN 72 HOURS, I CANNOT FEEL MY FACE, I PEES THIS MORNING, AND IM PRETTY SURE IT WAS 99% BLOOD. PROS: IVE DEEP CLEANED MY ENTIRE APARTMENT,AND I CAN READ MINDS! SUPER BIG GULP CUP IS 44 OUNCES 5 HOUR ENERGY IS 2 OUNCES, THAT MEANS I DRANK 22 5 OUR ENERGY IS LESS THAN 2 MINUTES, 22 TIMES 5 IS 110 HOURS OF ENERGY.GOD HELP ME!

If his ghost waited in the tower while the titan tried to enter the portal, could he revive the titan after they found the body?

@BlitzStorm

Жыл бұрын

I'd normally agree, but this is paracausal, for all we know Joxer might've stayed dead ghost alive, or no. Or his ghost could've just been ripped asunder due to the strands of universe connecting the two with him entering the portal.

@lettucego1818

Жыл бұрын

Dont ghost need the body to revive?

@RazgrizD7

Жыл бұрын

@@lettucego1818 nope. Ghosts pull a stored blueprint of their risen dead. Which is why we remember each time being risen after dying.

@GuilhermeHenrique-tz5mn

Жыл бұрын

@@BlitzStorm yeah, i'm also assuming the ghost would find the body. If Joxer really got to another place and died, there would be no body to resurrect unless the ghost followed him

@RuiNDieM1988

Жыл бұрын

​@@RazgrizD7 technically they need access to something to revive, which is why savathun is still dead, we have her body, the ghost doesn't

My guess as to what is happening right now is that the traveler, being paracausal and all, already has access to all of time basically, but the witness did not. Thus, the Witness used the veil, with it's strand powers, to be able to look into the "memory" of the traveler, to be able to find the exact spot it was looking for, then opening the portal Where Joxer went wrong is that he did not know where or when he was going. So maybe we will need to relink the veil, to do as the Witness did, and see to when we need to go

@danielmoseley2546

Жыл бұрын

That makes alotta sense

@lordpumpkinhead265

8 ай бұрын

I don't think the Witness has strand. Aside from that, your theory makes sense. The Witness knew what time he wanted to go to, and we don't know what that time is.

@eemelisaurila9940

8 ай бұрын

@@lordpumpkinhead265 that's why the witness used the veil, which is the source of strand, since it can't access the power itself, it used it(somehow) by making the link

Something to note, the cutscene titan might not actually have been Joxer. Joxer is described to have been wearing full gambit prime armor. In the lore, it is described that they sent in multiple attempts to try to cross through the portal the witness left, so while the titan in the cutscene might not have been Joxer, Joxer's lore entry still described what the experience was probably like.

@MikeAndros0

Жыл бұрын

It's him. Says so on the ship at rank 16 on the Sonar station.

@moongaea9804

Жыл бұрын

He could've discarded his gambit attire after quitting gambit and wore this gereric titan armor to show his loyalty to the vanguard. Or maybe he spent too much time playing gambit he didn't unlock anything else 😂.

@Laachen

Жыл бұрын

He kept the spoils of his time in Gambit, but... it doesn't say he has to wear them

@avalokiteshvara113

10 ай бұрын

You're giving Bungie too much credit if you think they will remember what armor the guy wore

@foolishsparky

10 ай бұрын

@@avalokiteshvara113 man, I hate that you're right.

10:40 could be that the Cayde in the trailer is one taken out of time due to Ikora’s memories of him

@alphaxbox3728

Жыл бұрын

But this cayde is like, aware he's been gone. Aware he's died before. Could be idk his light print? A soul?

@Disruptuer

Жыл бұрын

@@alphaxbox3728 well in the trailer ikora was catching him up to speed. So he may not remember or understand everything and she had to fill in the gaps.

@ObsoleteVodkaYT

Жыл бұрын

@@alphaxbox3728 One of the possible theories for me is that the other side of the portal is literally 'The Other Side'. The afterlife. If so then we might discover the means for immortality without the need of the Traveler or even the light.

@TheDTSZ

Жыл бұрын

@@ObsoleteVodkaYT since the witness can do things that guardians and other “mortals” can’t do by themselves (like passing through the veil) could the witness be trying to gain true omnipotence over everything causal and paracausal, like an actual god? Could that be the final shape?

@ObsoleteVodkaYT

Жыл бұрын

@@TheDTSZ I'm not so sure of that. The Witness insists that the deep/the darkness is the only true and correct way while the light/the sky is fake and wrong and the times it communicated with us it told us that we should move away from the light an towards darkness. Stasis itself was literally given to us by The Witness as a gift.

I bet the Witness didn't even know his own end state, the Final Shape, and that's why it wanted to traverse the Portal.

When a guardian dies permanently it’s always feels weird to see them go. A near immortal being having there light go out in weird ways like through drifters game feels weird or should be a big deal

I remember reading this day one of the season. Holy shit. The fear it brought to me was incredible. Love when bungie writers bring this cosmic horror to the game.

Maybe a random hypothesis: Joxer experienced everything at once. He went in without something specific in mind. Maybe in order to survive a journey through this spacetime portal, we need to have some kind of meditation on our end goal, something specific in mind to focus the energies that shoot us through time.

My theory is that Joxer had basic gear on cause he threw out all his Gambit prime armor, because who plays gambit anymore lol

Wonderful video as always Byf! Indian Hindu here and my brother's name is Akash. Akash means sky/boundlessness/ether. But the origin of the word goes even deeper. It is said to have multiple origins - From the languages Tamil and Sanskrit. In Ancient Tamil the word is Aakaayam: Aa-Kaay-am (Aa - the prefix denotes something far away and highly valuable. It also represents boundlessness; Kaay - In Tamil it refers to the Black Sky & Kaayam - Cosmos) The english word Sky is derived from Kaay In Sanskrit the word Akash is said to be derived from the word kas. The derivation simply goes: kas-kos-cos-cosmos Also, fun fact - I remember taking one of my first ever hindu spirituality classes. It was all about how every single being in existence across the universe are all connected by invisible threads and through meditation you can "travel along those threads" and bungie straight up made a grapple melee out of the concept xD

I have never been a huge lore junkie in this game and I've played for 9 years. Coming to the end of the story I have payed more attention and wow, the lore tabs in this game are amazing. Thanks for this video, this lore actually shocked me of how this story could go over the next couple seasons 😁

I still think that the witness created a portal to a place where the physical (light) and metaphysical (darkness) are merged into one, a place like the garden where it could shape the fate of reality from a previous era. Where the traveler is like a bank of all physical properties possible, the veil is likely a bank of all psychic energies and serves as a sort of afterlife which is probably how ecumene civilizations communed with their ancestors through dark artifacts.

Thanks for always shouting-out your sources/inspiration. Really enjoying Destiny Armory Defined.

I’ve always had this idea one of the cutscenes in the final shape should be of our guardian during the collapse. Like why they ended up in the cosmodrome. This gives me hope that maybe it will happen

After reading the Akashic Revelation lore tab last week I have been waiting for Byf to put out a video covering it. Great video as always.

I can see Ikora being the first through the portal. As she crosses, she accesses the memory of Cayde-6 and pulls it through to the other side, physical form fashioned from the fusion of primordial light and dark. (That could be why he looks taken) Her having a deeper connection to the Traveler and touching the dark with the memory of the worm gods, I see her becoming a kind of sage.

One thing to note, is that the portal also kind of acts like a black hole (which also is theorized to be a wormhole). When joxer goes near the portal, the purple glow goes all around him and also kind of warps time like a black hole, but since it doesn’t allow anyone in, it would be more like a white hole.

About to watch through right now, was interested to see your coverage on this. Love your content Byf. Been awesome to watch you grow!🐸

Witness must have a grudge against Titans. Dude also cut to pieces that one Titan during the opening Cinematic for Lightfall.

@LetMeEatIt

Жыл бұрын

I believe he killed an entire fire team when doing that.

@richardnameth3873

Жыл бұрын

That Titan was actually Reed-7 of Reed's Regret fame.

@PlebNC

Жыл бұрын

Witness didn't like that the Titans ate all the crayons it was using to draw final shapes.

Good stuff, been following ryno for years, his work really pierces the veil if you catch my drift

Man im absolutely loving your videos

I've been super attached to these lore characters and I always look forward to seeing them pop up again. It really does feel like dark times. Reed-7 still hurts

I think it’s funny that I felt sadder about Reed-7 and Joxer dying than I did about Rohan

@Indoraptor769

Жыл бұрын

Probably because we've known these characters (kinda) longer than rohan

Byf we need more Marathon lore I'm hooked on it now

I don't think the portal is messing with time, I think it's messing with memory. Memories that once were, memories that are, and memories that are yet to come.

Joxer and I have the same drip, but mine is white and red.

The portal is a unity of light and darkness, or the metaphysical and the physical. If the veil was once described as a window into the memories of the universe than this portal could well be a means to have complete control over the universe itself

The "piano notes playing on his chest" made me think of the fan made Lightfull title screen that played the song "Journey". Just a fun thought

This is some hardcore lore. Good stuff as always byf.

What I don’t get is why was his Ghost with him? Sounds like the smart move would have his ghost stay? Send him in and if things go terribly wrong his ghost can revive him later

@redmoongaming7122

Жыл бұрын

If he got through the portal he’d probably want his ghost with him..

@CrimsonKamina

Жыл бұрын

@@redmoongaming7122 okay but like at least make sure it’s safe first, if he makes it through and gets killed by an enemy the. You can send his ghost along with a fire team to revive him, if his ghost was alive it would have been able to revive him when he got fused with the wreckage

The lore has brought out some heavy hitters this season, joxer, shayura, reed and more i cant list of the top of my head

I’ve been waiting for this one.

He saw the Skrank Gang and their origins, goals, and allies, but now we'll never know. Unless.....

I really wish bungie would have some fun with non player guardians. I like the idea of them wearing a complete set but let's give them a full trials load out or full raid set or in this case a full set of the invader armor maybe. Make us feel like we know the type of guardians we see.

It's like one of the guardian that was sliced in the opening lightfall cutscene was Reed-7 which is interesting.

The way that was described was lowkey horrifying. Almost seems as if coming in contact with the portal he had that “life flashing before his eyes” moment and maybe his and his ghost screaming was just background noise before he went out. That’s also sad if he got to see his forgotten past as he died

Awesome job!!

The portal reminds me of the Infinite Corridor in Castlevania. Also Byf, what’s the music you’ve used for these videos…I’m loving it in the background!

@F0XHunter

Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure it's orbit music

6:53 should’ve moved at a medium pace… rip Joxer😢

Ive come to calling this Season , "Season of the Titans" Not only in honor of Titan returning, but also for all the Named Titan Guardians we know and love doing what Titans do best, and Embodying their greatest Virtues...

The only disrespect Joxer got was not having a custom character rather than a default titan, could’ve made his final debut at least a bit more interesting…

I think that joxa (or whatever titans name is ) he went into the portal without something to set a destination .... so he went throught all time in an instant the whitness may survived the journey because she had a fixed destination.... so .. she simply went from point a to b..

Flying his ship into it is a very titan way of thinking. You know that if this dude survived he would have tried slide-shotgunning it next.

I doubt we’ll see it but it would be really cool to see our character prior to their death. Maybe a slightly different origin based on whether you play as an exo, human, or awoken. Last time we messed with time travel stuff we got a cool Russian out of it, also saw our grave but still. Really the bar’s been set low enough with the story in LightFall there’s loads of room to improve.

Had to listen twice at different times because his vision upon approaching and entering the portal forced me to write down plot for DnD. Damn terrifying it was.

i love your videos thank you for everything you do

Extremely rare Byf Titan game play!? Let's goooooooo

when the traveller opened up and hyperbeamed the pyramid ship it reminded me of a vex gate. So maybe it is a gateway to both the past and future?

"We End At the Beginning" is very similar to a bit of TS Eliot poetry. "To make an end is to make a beginning. The end is where we start from."

Dude went into the portal and saw someone finally out pizza the Hut, never stood a chance.

A tidbit about the name Akashic Revelation: Akasha is a concept that is explored in other media as well. In FFXIV Endwalker, there are two types of energy that govern life in the universe, aether and dynamis. Aether is something scholars are very well aware of, but dynamis is different. It has less of an impact on the world and had actually been mostly unknown by scholars of the time, even though it actually made up the majority of the energy in the universe. The alchemists in an Indian inspired city named Radz-at-han, call dynamis akasha instead, because it is a more hidden and unknown power in the world, but one that brought knowledge and insight when one understood its properties. In Genshin Impact, there is a country (also inspired by India and the middle-east) named Sumeru, and all of the people in the capital city of that country wear headsets called Akasha that allow them to tap into the vast knowledge of their Akademia by linking it directly into their brain, by way of dreamlike technology appropriated from the Aranara, a species of plant-like beings (bascially Koroks from Zelda) that can weave in and out of dreams. Basically the same thing as Akashic Records mentioned by DestinyArmoryDefined. And the themes in Sumeru are very deeply rooted in the intertwining of dreams, knowledge, and wisdom.

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These also parallel Osiris' understanding of Light and Darkness in Destiny. Good on you for knowing the FFXIV part.

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@@dragonmangames2523 Thanks! I'm a bit of a lore daddy myself when it comes to a bunch of other games hahaha.

Whenever destiny lore is finished, I would LOVE it if you wrote a book(s) on all the lore. Kinda like the simirilian from lotr. I'd buy it in a heartbeat

This can be tied to the final shape teaser when ikora and cayde are in a field with the big triangle in the back

The akashic record is sometimes in mythos and stories as a record of the universe and all that has and will happen and supposedly accessing it gives you near omniscient insight into all reality if you can handle it

The akashic records are also some times used as a memory book of legendary heros and keeps a record of all history

Kinda interesting that the IRL description of the Akashic Records parallels Strand in Destiny 2 with how it is described.

Another game I played that had an akashic record was pso2, it was also a record of the universe, but how it told the events were altered and twisted, so i wouldn't trust the veil if it's gonna anything like pso2 (also the way you had to access it was it was inside a black hole and you had to stop time to safely enter it)

17:54 thats what I surmised. The veil, consciousness, revelations and strand itself.

I know this poor titan died a horrible awful death but the silhouette of him stuck inside his ship like looney tunes made me laugh hysterically

The Titan that was segmented by The Witness was Reed-7. You can read about him and his fireteam, Aisha the Hunter and Shayura the Guardian killing Warlock on the lore tabs of the Trials gear.

Byf said "Haamkara." Cross is slowly influencing the entire community

I always thought joxxer would have gambit armor since he was very close to the drifter

In the book series, Ender's Game, in one of the later books, 3 of the main characters manage to enter into a sort of space or pocket reality that is the chaos of the universe from which all possibilities and things manifest. One of the characters was crippled, and while in this pocket reality he focused on his body before he was crippled. This caused his original, pre-injured body to manifest before him, then his consciousness transferred from his currently crippled body into the healthy body he had manifested. When they finished their other business in this pocket reality, he was in his healthy body again. In this case, specific technology was needed to enter this pocket reality at all, let alone without going mad or dying. This sounds similar to what is happening in the D2 universe at this point. The Traveler is the creative force, the Witness is the destructive or ordered force. The Veil may be a device that allows the Traveler and the Witness to manifest abilities or a sort "command prompt" type of situation in the other. So, the Veil was used to access the Traveler which has a massive historical record of creation and resurrection, so the Witness is searching for something specific that the Traveler can do or did in the past and needed the Veil to be able to search for it. Apparently, some combination of the Veil and the Pyramid tech enabled him to pass through, similar to the tech needed in the Ender's Game series. We simply haven't developed or found this technology yet, hence the titan was overwhelmed by the unrestrained chaotic forces flooding his mind and subsequently killed. I suspect Cayde-6 that is returning is, indeed, the original Cayde-6, but that his resurrection is through a similar sort of manifestation out of the infinite chaotic possibilities of the universe, kind of like how the character in Ender's Game manifested his original body through thought and will alone. I think this is going be similar to how the Traveler works, but the Traveler is essentially a technology that can manage this kind of universal power, and we or Ikora will accidentally resurrect Cayde or it will be a one-time thing, at least initially.

What a fascinating lore entry RIP joxer

This means that Joxer “Eric” is one of the three astronauts from the original D1 opening. Brilliant lore writing.

So, fun astronomy theory time: there's a hypothesis about black holes that hinges on the event horizen being a 'library' of the universe in compressed dimensions. Each one is essentially a record of every single instant in the universe from start to finish. Imagine that concept being forced THROUGH you all at once. Joxer/Eric just got the universe rammed into his unfortunate brain-hole at lightspeed.

While it's noted Joxer kept his spoils from his time in Gambit, it's also noted that Drifter taunts him about said spoils on his way out. It's possible the guilt/trauma of his experience in Gambit Prime led him to slowly shed his former gear and take up some more standard Vanguard equipment, thus his "dull" appearance in this cutscene. Alternatively, the gear might have been provided to him for this specific experiment. Considering a veteran guardian like Joxer would certainly have his own ship, he doesn't seem to be using it here either. Just a regular Hawk. Joxer might have been provided standard issue equipment to minimize variables.

Byf: describe in-lore how brutal gambit prime was Players: Machine gun noices

The last time i hear about Akashic Record is in Phantasy Start Online. Bring back alot of memories.....

That thing about "the universe is made up of an energetic field that contains all the information...ect" really sounded like the all concept about the Precursors from halo

I wonder if we put a citizen of neomuna through the portal digitally they will still be able to live because the problem with joxxer is that gravity can greatly affect him, but a non physical body could maby walk through??

“He would never frequent Gambit again.” I felt that.

Regarding the veil, instead of it being a form of Akashic Record could it just be what the Traveler but for the darkness. If we assume that the Witness could be from a race that the Traveler had encountered, could it be it left when the Witness discovered the Veil and darkness, which lead to the Traveler taking the light from the Witness as it wanted to make the Final Shape by combining light and dark.

Joxer entering the traveler since gambit didn’t get a new map for years

Reading the explanation of the Akashic records and the revelation, made it very clear in my mind that we actually did have a revelation, the whole section about how the universe is linked and so made me call back to strand the class we got access to, and how its connected to everything and how it exists all around us, and how strand was not easy to master like the light classes or stasis, how it had a massive toll on us as guardians, until we made a revelation and realization and mastered strand, or at least are able to use it with great success, i feel like strand will somehow be our key to passing through the portal.

11:58 could this be the explanation for Ikora's involvement in the Final Shape trailer? If so that would be an amazing cutscene to witness (no pun intended)

"he was one of the 8 guardians to try the first gambit prime match. and its a moment that left joxer scarred" same

When i saw the name of that ship on day 1 of this season i was very interested as someone who has been playing Genshin(about 15-18 months now) as much per week as Destiny 2. Genshin's current latest region Sumeru is insipired by the Middle East from India to Egypt incorporating all sub-cultural idealogies, needless to say it's the most lore rich region to date and core information we as players got about genshin's world structure was huge; central to it was the concept of "the akashic records" and the finality of Sumeru's story gave us the complete picture of just what the concept of "akashic records" means. Cross-game background tangent aside Armory Defined's exploration and explanation of "akashic records" in the destiny context near perfectly reflects Genshins execution of the concept which is super cool and impressive to see that on both sides the concept was thoroughly researched and put into both games with a unique spin on what it idealogically means. If anyone is interested in the lore channel that i watch for Genshin in-case you want a feel for the full execution of the ideal and it's meaning i could mention them.