Dude is almost guaranteed to get fired and did this anyway. Massive respect

@Aleph-Noll

Жыл бұрын

yeah they will probably find out who did this

@knwjb5844

Жыл бұрын

Still Massive Respect. If ever the whistle blower is fired, pls go to paizo right away

@bryanJr8

Жыл бұрын

the fact that he risk this means he really cares about D&D

@TheLevantin

Жыл бұрын

And there's also the possibility of a prison sentence

@malbogia8003

Жыл бұрын

@theStefanius true. And I can see them taking him/her to court if these leaks cost them money

Describing people as "an obstacle to their money" has got to be the best summery of the modern corporate entitlement mindset I have ever heard.

@marbles863

Жыл бұрын

This is amazingly succinct to describe the average corporate mindset.

@masiethespiral

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't even say modern, ever since the Dutch in the 1600s corporations have existed which exist for the sole purpose of profits

@sleepygryph

Жыл бұрын

I think it's specifically a corporate franchise mindset. They see that you have already bought the product and have continued buying the product, thinking that therefore you'll continue buying the product. You see it whenever an IP is purchased by a larger company and existing customer/fans are seen as a given rather as a something that needs to be continuously nurtured and fostered. It's a drug dealers mindset, they think that you have to keep buying because they are the only ones who can provide your "fix".

@WASDLeftClick

Жыл бұрын

This is literally why I think capitalism has to be radically reformed or thrown out entirely.

@Robert_D_Mercer

Жыл бұрын

@@WASDLeftClick Bro; this is a backwards and sick use of capitalism... It used to be about family first when it came to capita growth... WTF happened man; this is a company that doesn't even manufacture or produce; it SHOULD be thanking it's lucky stars it's allowed to exist...

Remember to tell them why youre canceling, you can type in the text box with "im not interested anymore" or "other" and tell them how you feel about this. drive it home that this OGL is the primary reason, sprinkle in that its disgusting that theyre pulling this on a product that is entirely community funded/pushed.

The hard part of hearing all this is the very real possibility that Hasbro will just shrug their shoulders and say "well I guess D&D just isn't profitable then" rather than anyone at the top change course and basically end most support for the game. The only cure for corporate hubris I've ever seen is leadership changes, as anyone who made the decision in the first place will do anything to avoid being seen as having failed.

@shieldphaser

Жыл бұрын

Mm. It's like kennedy with star wars all over again. "The fans are just impossible to please", as the story went.

@Romanticoutlaw

Жыл бұрын

honestly, at this point imo that's the best possible outcome. If that happens, the only thing we lose is official materials, and fanmade materials will just step up to replace them

@Darkeus1

Жыл бұрын

Maybe they sell it to someone who actually cares about making good D&D and not just numbers on a spreadsheet.

@thomasfplm

Жыл бұрын

I don't think Hasbro can afford to lose D&D, they are having problems with many parts of their business and WotC is one of the few that are bringing money (or at least were), so the only way they abandon it would be selling it.

Their rival Paizo just announced they are funding a system agnostic OGL called the Open RPG Creative (ORC) license that will be created with the writers of the original OGL and with input from any company that wants to work under it. It will be impossible to revoke.They are going to make sure no company that makes RPGs owns the license itself and thus none of the companies that made it will have power over it. Including them. Some really big 3pp names are already joining in to help make it. Power move.

@onlymyself1234

Жыл бұрын

The best part is that Paizo isn't naive enough to think they're incorruptible, so they're making sure nobody can own ORC, not even a hypothetical future evil Paizo. Absolutely based. Public domain is absolutely based. The timing on this announcement hit like a crush counter in a fighting game. Brutal move.

@solarchos4352

Жыл бұрын

Just the name alone has my interest.

@CharlesGriswold

Жыл бұрын

I'm in favor of shifting away from the OGL, but why not just use the Creative Commons Attribution Share-alike license? Edit: It's because CC licenses don't allow for the inclusion of IP without making that IP available for others to re-use. IMHO, the "CC license confusion" thing isn't really much of a factor.

@michaelkenner3289

Жыл бұрын

@@CharlesGriswold because they print and sell books. They don't give them away for free.

@zirconiumdiamond1416

Жыл бұрын

There honestly doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the OGL 1.0a license itself. It isn't as if Wizards was able to stop Pathfinder from being 3.75e after they went GSL for 4e. Wizards putting into OGL 1.1 that 1.0a is not authorized shouldn't really mean much to folks who aren't planning on moving to 6e. If Wizards wants to throw a frivolous lawsuit, the wording of the license doesn't matter. They can just put out ORC2 with the wording that ORC1 isn't applicable. If we are pretending that Wizards can override one version of a license, nothing says that they couldn't do it again. Frivolous lawsuits can be thrown on anything.

Matt Colville called it. He said to his team before that when WotC purchased DnD beyond, there was no long term future for third party developers because he thought they would not be forward thinking enough to create a Steam type platform. Looks like he was right.

@Zetasphere

Жыл бұрын

Matt Colville makes a legitimate case for being the smartest figure in the space right now.

@darklord884

Жыл бұрын

When did he talk about that topic? I don't follow him, did he make a video about that purchase back then or was it something else? Thank you in advance for the information.

@Zetasphere

Жыл бұрын

@@darklord884 I'll have to find the podcast he was on. This was a while ago, so bear with me. Edit: Eldritch Lorecast #45.

@onlymyself1234

Жыл бұрын

"there was no long term future for third party developers because he thought they would not be forward thinking enough to create a Steam type platform" Huh, who would think that basing an entire economic system around 3-month intervals rather than longevity and long term sustainability could have catastrophic ripple effects.

@leorosenberg8604

Жыл бұрын

It sucks that he was right

You just know someone within WotC is trying hard to find the "snitch" while fuming.

@arock6858

Жыл бұрын

Bet that the mf that’s tryna catch the “snitch” was that one hall monster in school

I think one of the other things that wizards of the Coast fails to realize is that if they think that they’re going to get tenfold new D&D players into the hobby to replace all the people who are currently playing, they’re forgetting that somebody has to teach those people how to play. While DND 5E is easier to learn than some previous additions, it’s still fairly challenging to step into. What’s more, becoming a dungeon master can be intimidating for a lot of folks. The way that new dungeon Masters have been created is by learning from others who are willing to teach people how it works. And being a dungeon master requires a lot of homework outside of actually playing the game. When most people think about playing games at home, they aren’t thinking about doing homework in order to do it. Therefore, the only way that I can see wizards of the Coast being able to expand the audience in the way that the OGL 1.1 would require them to greatly simplify how Dungeons & Dragons works. Since they aren’t doing that, I don’t think they realize how much they need the current community to advocate to new players to get more people buying their products. That said, if they go video games and movies, then the need for the current community becomes less. However, the unfortunate truth is that while more and more people are enjoying dungeons and dragons, it is still the situation that the vast majority of people look down on tabletop RPG‘s. It’s too much work, it’s too nerdy, there’s a lot of math. All of those things are anathema to a large majority of the population. And so the idea that wizards of the Coast think that they can afford to lose their current community is very shortsighted. The bottom line is that wizards of the coast needs the current community to continue to grow this hobby if they intend for it to be essentially the same game moving forward.

@smokedbeefandcheese4144

Жыл бұрын

I think everything you said is correct but I would add. They have been having a hard time getting new dungeon Masters for a while. Because they simply don’t put out enough introductory material for new DM‘s. They are simply too focused on selling books for the players to make their characters more powerful. Which simply requires more work on the DM‘s part to create balanced encounters. Which a lot of new DM‘s somewhat struggle with especially when the challenge rating system is essentially useless. And only sits there to confuse new DM‘s with some thing that doesn’t even work. And then you have the stuff that they have been putting out for their settings and other stuff which hasn’t been that great anyway. Everyone had a problem with spell jammer and it was either the lore or it was the mechanics that made you mad. It was either the racist scrotum monkeys. Or the fact that they had no spaceship combat rules in their spaceship game.

@EliotHochberg

Жыл бұрын

@@smokedbeefandcheese4144 All good points, and arguments for using other systems. It also occurs to me: all bets are off if WotC decides they can somehow make a usable AI GM. If you get like 75% of the experience with an automated GM that can interpret language and knows all the rules, then maybe they won't have to care. That said, I've tried Chat GP, and it's got a long way to go. I would guess it will be at least a decade before that sort of thing would actually work. But... I could definitely see how not having to find a GM to play would make the game more accessible.

@Darkeus1

Жыл бұрын

This is where Paizo blows WotC out of the water. They have so much support for Gamemasters of Starfinder and Pathfinder 2e.

@shinyrayquaza9

Жыл бұрын

yeah, a bunch of my friends play dnd and even with their knowledge some of them that are starting to dm still get a bit of help from me who has 0 clue how it works

"Those damn customers. Why don't they just give us their money like they aught to? That's their purpose in life." -Some WOTC executive

@revanruler6404

Жыл бұрын

That's every big company shareholder ever tbf

@derianmcdougall1441

Жыл бұрын

That hits.

@kokirij0167

Жыл бұрын

Kinda funny how big companies don’t understand supply and demand

@revanruler6404

Жыл бұрын

@@kokirij0167 ikr how are these idiots allowed to run our society

@lexaj6886

Жыл бұрын

@@kokirij0167 Problem is, they understand and gamble that like many other outrages this will blow over. Blizzard didn't disappear, EA didn't disappear. They know that a lot of people wont go through with any form of boycott. THey don't care if you hate them as long as enough people still buy their Products. That is why it is hugely important what DnD influencers decide to do. Part of DnDs power comes from it's omnipresence in TTRPG media. ...I don't even like DnD and am still following this, because it functions as stand in for all TTRPGs.

It really is amazing that WotC found the one thing every demographic of D&D player agreed on and made the conscious decision to do the opposite. Can't remember where the quote comes from, but it's never been more true, "It takes 20 years to build a brand and only 5 minutes to burn it down."

@allyourpie4323

Жыл бұрын

Warren Buffet concerning reputation. He follows it up by saying, "If you think about that, you do things differently." I think they need to think about that.

@ridiculousedtollett6120

Жыл бұрын

Thanks. As soon as I saw "Warren" it clicked.

@jamiepilton5667

Жыл бұрын

In the UK for those of us of a certain age, Gerald Rather remains king of feckin up your own company When asked how his company sold their jewellery so cheaply he replied that it was because it was crap

@melbapeach162

Жыл бұрын

"our jewellery is cheaper than a M&S prawn sandwich and probably wouldn't last as long"

@benstapleton5319

Жыл бұрын

Rome wasn't built in a day ... but it certainly burned in one while Nero fiddled

Paizo has stepped forward and is now working with a TON of other TTRPG companies to create a fair and open OGL FOR EVERY TTRPG WILLING TO USE IT! This is HUGE news. Pathfinder stepping to the forefront again. Its not getting enough coverage. Paizo is even prepared to front the bill to sue wotc if needed.

@buragi5441

Жыл бұрын

Because Paizo has the people that were there when the original OGL was made, they have the receipts to use in the lawsuit.

@stephydash3661

Жыл бұрын

Yessss join the ORC do it for the horde

People on a discord server I'm involved with were discussing unsubscribing from D&D Beyond, and the troubling news came up that when trying to unsubscribe people were getting taken to an error screen that prevented them from cancelling their subscription. Every other part of the site worked fine but the cancel subscription page, specifically, led to an annoying error page.

@DracoMagnius

Жыл бұрын

I don't know if they have a number to call or a message system in the help/contact us section of the site having never used D&D Beyond, but at that point you need to contact them and demand they cancel your subscription. Try not to be hostile, of course. It's not the person taking your call or whatever's fault, but firmly make it clear that you want your subscription canceled.

@zackawesomeness2506

Жыл бұрын

It could be traffic issues due to a large number of cancellations. But I’m not a website expert 🤔 Pretty scummy if it is their doing

@amesnfire1098

Жыл бұрын

@@zackawesomeness2506 If the error page stays up for more than a few days, it's definitely something scummy.

@Dr.Mlieko

Жыл бұрын

They should probably take it to the court then

@timpind.8237

Жыл бұрын

I had heard that it was indeed the amount of cancellations actually breaking their system temporarily, which is just so beautiful

WotC's biggest mistake here was their refusal to accept that while they may own the D&D brand and make D&D products, they are NOT D&D. If their offices went into immediate shutdown and ceased all production of all D&D content indefinitely tomorrow, that wouldn't stop ANYONE from continuing to play. And they need to be made keenly aware of this, to know their role, and learn their place. This is the time, to tell WotC, "WE are the ones in control here, not you. Continue to make the game, provide the players with content, and we will continue to give you money. But stop trying to turn everything associated with it into a revenue stream. If you do this again, we're gonna smack you!"

@latentpotential4520

Жыл бұрын

This really is the lesson they did not learn. We do NOT need them for DnD to exist. If they decided to cease production tomorrow and burry the IP, much like many older IPs that you just can't find anymore, we can still play and make content for it. It will always be there. DnD exists in spite of WotC, not because of WotC. They would do well to remember that.

@mathewbyfield1004

Жыл бұрын

Honestly it doesn't matter - their intent has opened the barn doors and the horses have bolted, even if they were to walk back everything they've said 3rd party publishers are starting their own games and people are moving on. No creators are going to risk their hard work going forward now they've seen the greed of wotc.

@ohauss

Жыл бұрын

@@mathewbyfield1004 Not much risk involved. The moment they try their threatened litigation, they will fall flat on their face and be laughed out of court. Even more so outside the US, in much more consumer-friendly jurisdictions.

@Zadwon

Жыл бұрын

@@ohauss I for one can't wait on the battle between wotc and disney about the kotor remake (the first used a variation of D20 and ogl 1.0)

@ShadeSlayer1911

Жыл бұрын

Right? DnD is largely played by people's imagination. The official material is there only to facilitate it.

Paizo, which is run by ex-Wizards employees, just announced that they are willing to fight WOTC in court over OGL on behalf of all third-party publishers. Paizo also just released their own OGL called ORC, which fixes all the nonsense. Paizo *also* just said Pathfinder 2 books are on sale for 25% off - exactly what WOTC was going to take as a cut from user-generated content (that WOTC didn't decide to straight up steal.)

@frankm6546

Жыл бұрын

AND They just put up their Lost Omens lorebook pdf for FREE! They are definitely playing business hardball and sucking up all of the people leaving DnD.

@damien678

Жыл бұрын

Gigachad moves

As a huge fan of Kobold Games, Frog God Games and Chaosium I'm incredibly happy to see them all throw their industry weight behind Paizo on the ORC initiative. I honestly can't wait to see what all these brilliant creators come up with!

@falloutfreek1992

Жыл бұрын

CritCrab needs to cover that

@kesamek8537

Жыл бұрын

This is the bigger and more exciting story for sure. The future of the game/community does not lie with WotC/Hasbro, it is instead with the free people and brands that embrace it.

@carmacksanderson3937

Жыл бұрын

Apologies for being uninformed. What is the ORC initiative?

@iank472

Жыл бұрын

@@carmacksanderson3937 ORC (which I believe stands for Open RPG Content) is a new system Paizo, the creators of Pathfinder, have promised to make. They intend to set it up under a non-profit business separate from themselves to avoid any chance of this happening down the road even if Paizo is overrun by the kind of greedy twats that ruined the OGL. The other companies I mentioned are all veterans in the TTRPG market and have said they will help with it.

@carmacksanderson3937

Жыл бұрын

@@iank472 That sounds awesome! Nice to see that most TTRPG companies still operate with integrity

Just remember you can download your character sheets to PDF on D&D Beyond before you unsub so you can then keep them in that format or rebuild them elsewhere

@traeshyNOTtrashy

Жыл бұрын

Thanks man, you're a lifesaver. I've been screenshotting my sheets like a simpleton for the past hour. I can now abandon my DDB account in peace.

@GracieLizzy

Жыл бұрын

@@traeshyNOTtrashy you're welcome :)

Remember, don't split the party! If we stick together, Hasbro can't win.

@fillerbunnyninjashark271

Жыл бұрын

If everyone leaves. Hasbro loses

@rustybollocks3827

Жыл бұрын

But you won't. All this outrage will last a bit and WoTC can wait you out. All these 4rd parties will find out how hard it is to sell a new game. Plus loads of players have no idea or care like you people do.

@isaiahwelch8066

Жыл бұрын

@@rustybollocks3827 : Tell that to WotC's bottom line. Last I knew, DnD Beyond subscriptions were down by 75%, and so many people tried to cancel that it crashed the DnD Beyond servers multiple times. As it stands, after Paizo released their announcement about the Open RPG Creative License, I don't think anyone creating third-party content will ever sell anything they make to Wizards, or even license it to Wizards. Because if you haven't read the terms of the new OGL, and compared that to OGL 1.0a, then you do not understand what actually is happening, or why. And the nail in the coffin is probably going to be Critical Role, if they cut ties to Wizards and do their own thing. The only reason D&D got huge in the last 5 years was because of Critical Role, and because pandemic. And now that the pandemic is over, Wizards is seeing how illusionary their pool of money really is.

@seaborgium919

Жыл бұрын

@@rustybollocks3827 so, what? Give up? Don't do anything? Don't talk about it?

@rustybollocks3827

Жыл бұрын

@@seaborgium919 Like I said hold your breath stomp your feet and see what happens. Maybe, maybe this time will be different but I've seen these things happen before with popular games and franchises and they rarely work. Because for all e dismissal of corpos waiting out the outrage.. it usually works. Plus, while things admittedly are different nowadays, there are still loads of players who don't know nor care about this controversy. Most players will happily go about their gaming oblivious to this drama.

To be fair, the reason they think they can get away with it is simple. Take a look at every time a major franchise has made a crap release lately and ya see the fans still eat it up, in record numbers no less. If we are gonna win, we MUST STAND OUR GROUND AND NOT GIVE IN TO IMPULSIVENESS.

@dizzydial8081

Жыл бұрын

It reminds me of Nintendo and Pokemon. Their arguably most controversial releases have broken records.

@somik-i3x

Жыл бұрын

Well I am gonna take my money for the D&D books in Call of Cthulhu books

@Randleray

Жыл бұрын

That is whats going on for at least 10 years, because this is an old problem in terms of gaming in general. Just take the Assassins Creed Franchise, Ubisoft is putting that stuff out since almost 15 years now. Every 1,5 year a new titel. Its allways basically the same and the feedback of the wide arrange of fans is allways mediocre to just bad, because the devs just dont care for what the fans think. The same goes with CoD, Battlefield, FIFA and most other big names. There will be allways those millions of boons which will buy every crap no matter how shitty it is what the gaming industry puts out. That phenomenon was especially painful with Blizzard during the last 5 years... and yet, Diablo 4 gets hyped again, just because the material we saw so far wasnt 102% crap from the get go... Diablo 3 earned a shit ton of critique because of the ingame store... but still, hundrets of Lets Playes croped up on YT, everyone played it, and everyone was angry at the same time. Sorry, but this is not a problem, which was exclusively created by the devs and CEOs, we, the community have a big part in this development. And yes, I throw the video game community and TTRPG in one pott here, because the crossover is very huge. I bought my last AAA titel back in 2014 and got burned, because it was so shit... since then, small and indy it is for me, especially so in terms of D&D, because the homebrew stuff you imagine at home with friends is almost allways just better than the stuff you can buy officially...

@manticore6963

Жыл бұрын

Companies can have literal rapists and abusers in their leading positions, and people still eat that shit up and call everyone drawing attention to it "overreacting", bc they don't want to feel bad for buying a Ubisoft or Blizzard-game. Prepare for more and more people rejecting you guys, because they rather be hyped for the new releases than do the right thing.

@YooranKujara

Жыл бұрын

Pokémon dexit garbage again

"the community is over-reacting" "Am I so out-of-touch? No, it's the community who are wrong."

Never used DDB because there is a lovely app called character sheet 5e that has almost all races, all official classes and subclasses and regularly updates. I think it was about 3,50€ as a one time premium upgrade allowing you to level up as the app lists everything you get and calculates your homebrew sheets as well.

@dyslexiccowoom3991

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this. I went and looked at it and I like the app so much better. 🖤👻

Next video will be about WOTC getting absolutely mauled by Paizo. It deserves its own video as it's a lot. Edit: due to recent events, this has obviously changed. I will cover it though.

@pixelapocrypha

Жыл бұрын

Oh good, I was disappointed you didn't mention Paizo's iconic destruction of WotC.

@dragoncat621

Жыл бұрын

Nice

@onlymyself1234

Жыл бұрын

What if you wanted to monetize your community but Paizo said "Nat 20 lvl 9 divine smite"

@aralornwolf3140

Жыл бұрын

@@onlymyself1234 , Paizo has stated that Pathfinder 2e, and Starfinder do not use content from WotC, they only used the license because they want their fans to make their own content and profit off their labours, just as the makers, some of whom work with Paizo, wanted from the OLG 1.0(a) License they authorized way back in 2000.

@theisamu1787

Жыл бұрын

Wotc just got owned

It worked so well for Capcom, it worked so well for Disney, it worked so well for blizzard, it worked so well for Gaia online... Turns out that people don't like to be lectured and overcharged

@onlymyself1234

Жыл бұрын

At least Capcom had somewhat of a redemption arc after taking a beating lmao

@CidSilverWing

Жыл бұрын

Go woke, go broke. Corpo scum never learn. We should be lecturing these idiots back.

@datguy5272

Жыл бұрын

What did Capcom do?

@spaceman9599

Жыл бұрын

Also WH40k monetising dammade animation behind a paywall. Same greed.

@elhoteldeloserrantes5056

Жыл бұрын

​@@datguy5272 same question, i know very little of capcom story, may be the siento Hill's pachicos?

I would add two points. Firstly, a stagnation of subscribers to dnd beyond would still be viewed as a loss from the company's perspective and second dnd being knocked down a few pegs in terms of popularity within the ttrpg community would probably be a good thing for the sake of having a more diverse market.

New update from DDB that came out after this video says "we wanted to ensure that the OGL is for the content creator, the homebrewer, the aspiring designer, our players, and the community-not major corporations to use for their own commercial and promotional purpose." How ripe is that

If someone doesn't get Paizo to use "Don't Split The Party!" as a slogan to rally for the ORC license we've all failed. 😃

@kardoxfabricanus7590

Жыл бұрын

Don't split the votes xD

@Marco_Onyxheart

Жыл бұрын

Also a shout out to the "never split the party" song by Emerald Rose.

I am in pain 🥺💔 a WOTC employee saying this really hurts.

@JamLeGull

Жыл бұрын

Aside from corporate mercenaries parachuted in by Hasbro, I imagine everyone working there regardless of their position is at least a little hurt by this news. Since it took WotC until the 11th to tell them it must have been extremely unpopular in the company. Happy employees don’t leak stuff, and we have already seen leaks from the executives/legal as well as this more recent leak from a lower level employee.

@kiddkasket5305

Жыл бұрын

@RetardAdventuresNZ you've got a good point but MAN does it hurt, ya know? I sent this video to my DMs and they both said they'd been keeping an eye on the whole thing and are probably going to start making their own homebrews and peeling away from WOTC content.

@Loaves_of_Cat

Жыл бұрын

@@Specialistkayr also forgetting that they need their paycheck, as much as they love the community I don’t think this is a serious enough of a blow that warrants them striking. Instead it should be the community striking to teach the company a lesson

@hugofontes5708

Жыл бұрын

As a veteran MTG player... I'm very sorry for the d&d community but I'm not even flinching at this. WotC creators bring us all cool stuff we love, but the company and Hasbro eat dreams for breakfast

@tyler9123

Жыл бұрын

Welcome to The real WotC. We from the magic the gathering community have a seat for you on the dilapidated bench. Here. Come sit.

Two months back I took an interest in D&D, now this controversy has blown up. It saddens me, but I'm never one to roll over and ignore it when companies try to screw us over. Alternate game systems and freemium content until this is resolved properly for me, good luck!

@kaiserlowa

Жыл бұрын

I was actually developing an interest in Warhammer 40k actually, then GW told content creators to get stuffed. You would think the corps would understand that its free marketing but.. I honestly think its spite, not profit.

@amesnfire1098

Жыл бұрын

@@kaiserlowa Strangely enough, Warhammer Fantasy (WFRP 4e specifically) is still very open and 'free-range' for 3rd party content creators even though 40k isn't. Unsurprisingly, WFRP4e is experiencing a slow but steady growth while the 40k ttrpg systems remain stagnant and otherwise forgotten.

@kaiserlowa

Жыл бұрын

@@amesnfire1098 That doesn't surprise me, Fantasy doesn't make the big bucks like 40k does.

You can't unsubscribe from DND Beyond if you were never subscribed to begin with! But now I just feel justified for never liking it/wanting to use it, and never will.

Paizo just gave WotC the finger. They are making their own OGL.

@Ashtari

Жыл бұрын

With BLACKJACK! And HOOKERS!

@easiestcc6451

Жыл бұрын

@@Ashtari Futurama was something else man 😂

@Ashtari

Жыл бұрын

@@easiestcc6451 Hey, when Bender is right, he's right. If you have to make your own version of something, you may as well make it better.

@gameguardians4950

Жыл бұрын

@@Ashtari if you have seen Pathfinder, this is more than true. Pathfinder has stat blocks for a prostitute.

HEADS-UP WARNING! WotC took down and then hid the Cancel Subscription button. Now you have to go an external link to cancel your account. They're making it as hard as possible to cancel.

@jaxusr235

Жыл бұрын

They did? I did it barely an hour ago, I just had to hunt for my subscription button.

@Supanappa

Жыл бұрын

They're so desperate and greedy holy shit. XD

@jrytacct

Жыл бұрын

@@jaxusr235 That's what I'm hearing, from at least two channels at this point. So I'm trying to let people know. I guess that was wrong or they put it back. Good to get some feedback and I'm curious what other people have gone through.

@jordanbrandon81

Жыл бұрын

Is that even legal? Well it shows they know the damage. Meaning it's working. Keep cutting at them Bleed them

@strictura8620

Жыл бұрын

I logged in to cancel and it just had a big blue "subscribe" button. Refreshed and it was gone and I cancelled, as everyone should.

This being drama of the week is my biggest fear. If Wizards comes out tomorrow, announces some changes to this new policy, I’m worried people will just accept it and move on. Freeing up Wizards to just implement the changes they want at a little bit of later date when people are relaxed.

I will go even further and advocate for the use of wikkdot's d&d page to make charater from now on. They have every official character option available for us to people for free. Don't but their products at all, and make sheets using PDF's. Make them suffer in this war they started with their community.

I hate it when companies just try to wait out the storm that they caused.

Everyone: please direct your anger in the right direction. It is justified, it is right, but it is not deserved by those employees trying to do the job they love that is now burning around them. We're an awesome community... let's band together and do this right.

@casimirlawnicki8990

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Jay.

@lunatic0verlord10

Жыл бұрын

So in other words, aim for the head.

@superiorrule34

Жыл бұрын

@@lunatic0verlord10aim for the CEO’s not the employees, managers they hate this to.

@lunatic0verlord10

Жыл бұрын

@@superiorrule34 That's what I meant by head.

@genericname2747

Жыл бұрын

Tell the employees how much you hate the decisions of the higher ups. Don't hate the employees

[Quest Accepted] Aight y'all. 🗿🚬 Who's ready to defeat the evil covenant of wizards IRL?

I don't have a horse in this race, but I really appreciate channels like yours that inform us all on this kind of corporate deceit. Thanks for the upload!

I never subscribed to DDB, but I will stare angrily at my physical books in moral support

@TheUnoriginal2394

Жыл бұрын

Scolding your physical books like theyre a new puppy that just tore up the furniture and shat on the carpet

@acemaxwell364

Жыл бұрын

I can't even look at my physical books... I'm not mad just disappointed

I personally have always been an outsider looking at DnD. I've always loved the idea and all the creativity of it, but I never got into it. It's why I love watching content creators like you, it gives me a peek into the amazing world people can build. However, as soon as I thought it was a good idea to try and start getting my foot in the door, Hasbro does this. Now, I'm not sure whether to keep trying now or wait until everything has cooled down. No matter what, though, I stand by this community and hope this bullshit is thrown out the window and Hasbro gets the biggest financial slap in corporate history. To our love of DnD!

@sunnywhite196

Жыл бұрын

There are plenty of ttrpgs out there that give off the same feel as D&D. You just have to scour Amazon or eBay for them.

@Galanthos

Жыл бұрын

Hey there! There are lots of places to start with TTRPGs, and I think the biggest deciding factor is what people around you are already playing. If there's a gaming group around you, see if you can hop in! If you're going to be starting out on your own, it's all about what you can convince your friends to play. If you want to play D&D like they did in the 80s, or how they do in Stranger Things, maybe look in to Old School Essentials. If you are more into 5e and the stuff you see in Critical Role, try Patherfinder (they have a discount going on right now!) Or 13th Age. If your friends are gamers, you might be able to win them over with Fantasy AGE (based on the Dragon Age RPG) or the Pillars of Eternity RPG. There's lots of stuff out there, but the thing to keep in mind is that the real game is what you and your friends do at your table. Don't be afraid to houserule, to make your own campaigns, to make the game you bought serve you and your table.

@LaughingOwlKiller

Жыл бұрын

@@Galanthos There in lies my personal problem... I know no one who plays or ever has played DnD nor is there anywhere close where this is a thing. Also...don't have friends. Really does suck ya know.

@ScipiPurr

Жыл бұрын

@@sunnywhite196 Not even Amazon/Ebay, drivethruRPG has pretty much everything in one place TTRPG-related

@IanKid

Жыл бұрын

So many other systems to try instead. I'd recommend Pathfinder 2E. I started it 1E which you might find too number crunchy for a started (I still did fine for it being my starter) but 2E is much more digestible.

Just a friendly reminder that Hasbro could be the main instigator of this too (and is more likely, as they are the parent company to WotC). I feel sad for people who work for WotC during this hard time. As with most big companies, it's the decision of a wealthy suit at the top that will affect the employees below them.

It was not the name that gave me interested to play DND. It was my friends wanting to create new stories inspired by the community.

Paizo appearing from the shadows: "May I introduce you kids to **Pathfinder** !?"

@aralornwolf3140

Жыл бұрын

"If Pathfinder isn't to your liking, maybe one of our many associates can help..."

Paizo just poured some on WotC's grave with the ORC (Open RPG Creative License) that is perpetual and irrevocable AND not owned by Paizo (it'll be the Linux of TTRPGs).

@NathanTrail

Жыл бұрын

WotC is dead, long love Paizo. ORC forever.

@onlymyself1234

Жыл бұрын

The age of OGL is dead. The age of ORC has begun.

@aralornwolf3140

Жыл бұрын

@@onlymyself1234 , All at Wizards fear the Orc Hoard.

@clarehidalgo

Жыл бұрын

@@onlymyself1234 A classic meme "Friendship ended with OGL, now ORC is my best friend"

@SuperMaster000X

Жыл бұрын

There is something awesome that is called "ORC" LMAO

Why is this such a common story? Company gets big, shoots itself in the foot, blames everyone else for their failure

Way to go, Paizo. I may be critical of you, but this was a good move (and hopefully this brings more people to Starfinder because I would really like to start up a game)

@StudlyFudd13

Жыл бұрын

What is Starfinder?

@LarvalGhoul

Жыл бұрын

@RomanDoughnut It's Paizo's Sci-Fantasy rpg based on Pathfinder/D&D3.5. Basically elves, dwarves, and aliens with guns and space ships.

@Nerazmus

Жыл бұрын

@@StudlyFudd13 It's Pathfinder (D&D), but in space. Sort of like Spelljammer, but cooler.

@nothingelsetodoZ

Жыл бұрын

@@Nerazmus (and it is written better too)

@StudlyFudd13

Жыл бұрын

@@LarvalGhoul Ooh that sounds awesome! I would love to do a game like that if any goes down for sure.

To anyone shocked by this, remember that WotC and Hasbro leadership all report to some venture capital firms that own all of it. Those firms absolutely always view customers and the public as obstacles to them using corporations as personal cash cows. These firms own *almost everything* at this point. Support small companies and publishers whenever you can, they're the only ones left that remotely care about the end users of products.

@flamenami

Жыл бұрын

@@Specialistkay imagine being selfish enough to tell people to give up their incomes for what is ultimately a hobby

@quietchap

Жыл бұрын

@@flamenamiYeah- ultimately, it’s not the workers fault. It’s the shitty business leaders

@neoluna1172

Жыл бұрын

Fear the name BlackRock

Never had a DDB account, but this weeks Critical Role just finished and #OpenDnD was blowing up in the chat. Quite a few were asking what it meant and at least one person told me that they checked Twitter to confirm my description and unsubscribed. WotC did not think things through if they thought DnD nerds liked their game more than we love our creators!

@dashiellgillingham4579

Жыл бұрын

That’s the funny thing, D&D mechanics are ubiquitous. They cannot copyright most of their gaming system, and it’s very easy to just declare your D&D game a new kind of system without changing anything. The game is literally less important than the custom content in this specific kind of game.

@qwertyrobbo101

Жыл бұрын

Did Critical Role acknowledge any of this or did they just ignore it and play?

@BoojumFed

Жыл бұрын

@@qwertyrobbo101 Well, it was filmed before the shit hit the fan; so no, they didn't say anything. They DID have a DnDBeyond ad at the start, but they're under contract and the easiest way to get sued into oblivion is breach of contract. Critical Role llc tweeted a complete nothing of a statement on (I believe, I don't follow Twitter myself) Saturday; which pissed me off a bit until folks in the legal sphere explained to me that when a company makes a fluff statement that really has little/ nothing to do with the news of the day like that it generally means " _We're under NDAs (Non Disclosure Agreements) to the point that this bit of useless blather is all we can legally say_ ." And, to be honest, I really can't imagine any situation where WotC would have worked with CR to the point of publishing any of the Exandria content without insisting on pretty much *_every_* available kind of anti-competition/ anti-libel/ anti-defamation/ _please-insert-your-balls-into-this-vice_ clause on pretty much every page...

@qwertyrobbo101

Жыл бұрын

@@BoojumFed Fair enough, thanks for the info

When the party is attacked by evil Wizards you have to stick together.

I love how they ask the community to forget and forgive. Bruh you want us to memorize nu erous books and abilities in a table top, we don't forget easily lol

Keep in mind that this is also how they view the MTG community as well.

@CritCrab

Жыл бұрын

Good point

Direct Competitor here to WoC here and this was simply put the best chance we have ever gotten to make a name for ourselves. This was literally the moment we have been waiting for to push our game, crazy as it sounds we where even approached by WoC and others about our IP and after negotiation we decided to stay independent. They wanted to chop our game into to many pieces and sell them as to many solo books which my team and I are not ok with. Just crazy how timing works.

@sheppycider123

Жыл бұрын

You forgot to mention the name of your game…

@TGS-Cosmic

Жыл бұрын

@sheppycider123 I'm not self promoting just weighing in. But if critcrab allows or later wants to I'd love to go into it more.

@damien678

Жыл бұрын

I'm super here for this, hope your game is a success and that I get to come across it!

@cy-one

Жыл бұрын

@@TGS-Cosmic * I'm not self promoting just weighing in* Mad respect.

@shinyrayquaza9

Жыл бұрын

oh yeah, small businesses are going to have a rise this year with how much poor leadership is riding big companies straight into the garbage

We really need some of the bigger names like Matt Mercer and Mark Hulmes and the others to speak out against it and that would really put them in a bind if their fans turned against them too.

@smokedbeefandcheese4144

Жыл бұрын

I think Mercer is being quiet because I personally believe he might already have a personal deal with wizards. Which doesn’t look good now that all of this has come out. It is possible he is trying to wait out the storm as well if he hasn’t commented already.

@daermoriel1936

Жыл бұрын

@@smokedbeefandcheese4144 considering the long standing sponsorship of Critical Role by DnDBeyond, I'm unsurprised at the careful quiet from Mercer. Likely some carefully worded legal language in the sponsorship agreement that prevents direct criticism of the platform, WotC, and Hasbro.

One cool thing you could do is highlight alternative games, character creators etc. so that people know what they can utilize instead of DDB. Pathfinder 1E and D20SRD would be good recommendations to start with since former is based on DnD3.5 that influenced 5e a lot and latter is collected rules, classes, items etc. for the PF1E, including a lot of 3rd party content.

I started a D&D group for teenagers. Not too long ago we switched to Monster of the Week. They really like Monster of the Week. I was thinking of reintroducing them to D&D, but with all of this drama I think we will stick to Monster of the Week.

@namkha209

Жыл бұрын

How about giving Pathfinder a chance?

@hawklegs6940

Жыл бұрын

Another one I've found fun is Monster Hearts, very simple easy to learn where you play as high schoolers who are also monsters trying to deal with your high school drama lives. You can get a quick start guide for free, I highly reccommend if you're into that sort of thing. Imma check out monster of the week too, I've never heard of it before.

@erubianwarlord8208

Жыл бұрын

@@hawklegs6940 MOTW is a blast i have a werewasp from world war two that gained a runic magic power after he rolled so well on a check regarding his drawing skills that they ascended into the realms of the supernatural and has canonically spun on his heels and run so fast that he melted part of the sole of his shoe into the sidewalk

@BenCDBrown

Жыл бұрын

Show them GURPS or Paladium Mega System next. You can run high fantasy one day, space operas the next then horror on Fridays using all the same characters.

@bloodmooncomics2249

Жыл бұрын

I love how everyone is given me other RPGs to try. It is great and thank you everyone. I was always so use to D&D and it was such a risk to even try anything outside of it. I am glad I did with Monster of the Week and I am 100% up for trying other ones as well.

I think something that will have a strong effect on the situation will be Critical Role's, Dimention 20's, and other HUGE dnd shows (either as companies or their cast members individually) to condemn this action. Their silence would sadly aid WOTC's intention of just waiting it out, but if they adress this a lot of more awareness of consumers or potential consumers will spread, leading to a stronger war of attrition on our side.

@couragew6260

Жыл бұрын

Critical Role, at least for the moment, most likely has to be silent. They’re an actual business that’s involved in WotC so they can’t just instantly call out against WotC. For now, they’re probably talking with their lawyers and looking into all the details they can find.

@jakerockznoodles

Жыл бұрын

And they have to consistently do so, regardless of people getting "tired of hearing about it". We saw what happens otherwise in the world of video games. I remember back when predatory monetary practices in mobile gaming was becoming very commonplace, and people were furious initially but then got used to it and would defend these practices against "proper gamers" who would sneer at them for playing these sorts of games. Then these practices gradually started seeping into modern AAA gaming and at first people were again furious but over time the anger died down. Sometimes they would push things too far but they regrouped and often repackaged them later to better success or it became a way for their _slightly_ less slimy monetisation methods to seem palatable by comparison. Now we have a scenario where consumers will not just accept but often vehemently defend practices they would have looked down their nose at about 15 years ago, and get exasperated at people who still rail against them as just being whiners who can't accept this new status quo (which, fair, cos I can't and won't). If D&D players and influencers don't continue to rail against this stuff (and make a real commitment to migrate to different systems if things continue to get worse), it risks going the same way. Maybe it won't get as bad as the video game industry, given TTRPG's more niche audience, but I do think it is a concern.

@kylas1902

Жыл бұрын

@@jakerockznoodles You hit it on the head. Videogames have been doing it for years and it gets worse. Diabloortal being a blatant example. WOTC DOES IT with Magic Arena. And their 30th anniversary pack was 1000$ for 60 fake magic cards. They admit they are using us. This is not just Hasbro it's every corporation. People are so used to it they are defending it. Not even realizing they are being scammed. We have to stop giving them money for telling us how to have fun with friends. DnD is not owned by some guy that spent time and effort to make a cool game story system. It's owned by CEO that will be gone in 3 years with million dollars golden parachutes whether they fail or succeed.

Something I will start saying now too - spread the word to everyone you know to skip the DnD movie this year too. money talks - and an IP that loses people money in the theaters is going to say a lot. With the power of this community, we can make WotC and Hasbro curse the day they decided to try and upheave the current OGL and the community.

Honestly, this is great for me. I’d been getting bored of 5E but had been having a hard time getting my friends to try older editions or other systems. They’re all ready and willing now. We thinking of trying Pathfinder for our next campaign.

I'm a simple creature. I see crab. I click.

@shoulderpyro

Жыл бұрын

clickcrab ..bad joke, ill see myself out

@braedenedwards1355

Жыл бұрын

Nah man it was pretty good joke

@johnk9727

Жыл бұрын

Pretty cool joke

@GlitchedRed

Жыл бұрын

I'm am even simpler being. I see crab. I click. I see ff14 gatherer game play. I stay.

@_arkalis_5573

Жыл бұрын

Is your pfp a crow?

I know this will be lost but an amazing alternative to DDB as a charcater sheet is MPMB (MorePurpleMoreBetter) it is an extremely detailed and comprehensive PDF that is form-fillable AND auto-fills and calculates the tedious and confusing stuff. It comes pre-loaded with everything up to Fizbans (last checked) and it is easy to add 3rd party material or make your own if you know Java

Never even bought anything of DnD, but I whole heartedly support y’all on this.

I don't use D&D Beyond and I've never really looked into it, but I can't help but notice in a lot of these screenshots they advertise that the benefits of having a sub are "make unlimited characters" "Save your friends money on books" "access homebrew" and I can't help but think that maybe someone has forgotten that books and paper are still things and that all of that can be done without a subscription?

As much as I'm proud of my fellow RPG community in this situation, I'm still sad that it has to come to this.

@asthmeresivolisk3129

Жыл бұрын

In the end it will always come to this. Be glad your community is strong enough to band against it. Some were not so lucky in their moments of self destruction.

@fillerbunnyninjashark271

Жыл бұрын

This is what you get you being sedentary with corporation

I just cancelled my D&D Beyond subscription and left a full 299/300 message describing my disappointment with their decision regarding the OGL and informed them that will not be purchasing any official products from this point on.

@firewolf1108

Жыл бұрын

Good work soldier! 👍

I'm primarily a pathfinder player but I recognize how this will inevitably hurt all D20 based roleplaying systems if WOTC gets their way so I'm more than happy to fight along side my 5e cousins on this one

It's sad to see wotc and d&d go down the same route as so many other digital media providers. I have only ever bought the books for any of the systems I play and it's things like this that make me glad I'm a little old fashioned

After the spell jammer debacle I’m not surprised that wizards is doing this. They increased price by 40% for their smallest book (content-wise) and their biggest selling point was that it had the most art of any DND book.

@vadenummela9353

Жыл бұрын

Spelljammer didnt include any rules for ship-to-ship combat. Which is what everyone assumed was going to be the highlight of Spelljammer book. No, you just need Ghosts of Saltmarsh book to run spelljammer.

@mateo4508

Жыл бұрын

Like i was gonna buy the books anyways,i just print the pages

@bretroberts5695

Жыл бұрын

@@mateo4508 my point was more the hostile business practices not the ability to pirate if you can’t afford the books

I'm glad you're not afraid to speak up and helped rally the community against this literal pure greed thank you for being part of this community

@santimarxer5784

Жыл бұрын

Ayoo Pinkamena Diane Pie being based as ever

Oh no,wizards is suprised that a community that bands together to fight big bad evil things is banding together to fight big bad evil stuff!?

Guess I’m a bit ahead of the curve. All my characters are pencil and paper. However, I will try to inform ppl I know about what WoTC is trying to pull and how to try to change things. Stay loud, and keep hitting them where it hurts

Man, this is a sh*t time to be getting into D&D. My heart goes out to the people who be losing their characters. It’s just heartbreaking. But it’s for the greater good. Edit: I would like to say that I am still new to DND and know nothing about DND beyond. I am also quite stupid in my opinion.

@namkha209

Жыл бұрын

I mean... Just use pen and paper, like literally everyone and their mother has been doing

@Poldovico

Жыл бұрын

Characters are not stat blocks. They live in the hearts and minds of the players. No company can delete your imagination.

@seane6616

Жыл бұрын

Remake them on Pathfinder 2.0, it's a better system anyway IMO

@daviddaugherty2816

Жыл бұрын

@Poldovico I bet they wish they could. I have a bunch of physical books, though and there's not a damn thing they can do about _that_ either. Wizards could fully go under (and at this point, I hope they do) and I could still play.

@indiecrowarts

Жыл бұрын

You can import ddb sheets and info to world anvil! And it’s free!

Paizo just announced ORC to take the place of the OGL. WotC has lost.

@clarehidalgo

Жыл бұрын

And the lawyer Brian Lewis, who wrote the original OGL with Ryan Dancey is part of the law firm Paizo is working with, Azora Law

@jrytacct

Жыл бұрын

@@clarehidalgo Exactly. The best damn team possible to get us an even better replacement.

@mwhearn1

Жыл бұрын

If Critical Role announce that in season 4 they will be using ORC system, yes WotC has lost.

@jrytacct

Жыл бұрын

@@mwhearn1 That or something in-house they've developed. Matt's been liking tweets on our side, even if he hasn't come out and said anything yet. A few people have suggested that he saw this coming some time ago and has been carefully preparing for it. They may be right.

@llamatronian101

Жыл бұрын

That's just Paizo showing up on the field. The war has yet to begin.

Story of the times, frankly. [Company/government X] knows people are upset at [policy Y,] and do not care. Comic books, television, journalism, government, education, it's all crap and no one in charge gives a toot.

I feel proud now to have never spent a dollar on any D&D products or information

Leave it to WOC and Hasbro to make me feel ashamed for buying their books legitimately.

Please make a video on Paizo delivering the biggest, most brutal counter punch to WotC, please. I've never seen a corporation get manhandled like WotC just got.

@poutinemcflurry3544

Жыл бұрын

What did they do, I haven’t heard of this yet?

@onlymyself1234

Жыл бұрын

@@poutinemcflurry3544 It's the pinned post on r/rpg Basically, Paizo, the makers of Pathfinder, announced a Open RPG Creative License, ORC. It's a free, irrevocable, system-agnostic license to create homebrew RPG content. Much like OGL 1.0a, but even more free, and it doesn't just involve medieval fantasy. A lot of BIG TTRPG names are in on the project. EDIT: just here to note that one of the collaborators of ORC are the makers of Call of Cthulhu, which is even bigger than D&D in Japan and is growing very fast. I did say big names.

@Frostbite08

Жыл бұрын

I can't even access the blog post right now due to the traffic. Which is a very good sign.

@d.k.t.3380

Жыл бұрын

@@onlymyself1234 Other key points: 1) Paizo clarified they were only part of the OGL 1.0 so OTHER CREATORS could use their product, not because they use any part of D&D content. They could keep on trucking tomorrow without issue. 2) That means they CHOSE to throw what weight they have around to create this to protect others. HUGE tip of the cap to them for that! 3) They WILL NOT OWN the new license, nor will any corporate entity! They saw what happened at WotC, and stated in big, bold, f**k off letters that they will not make the mistake of giving anyone the opportunity to try and revoke this new agreement. 4) Many major players in the field (Kobold Press, Chaosium, and more just named in their statement) have all signed on to this new License. The tl:dr is that Paizo just declared WAR on WotC, they are gathering the banners, and the call is being headed in a big way! WotC is f****************************************ked!

@cjthemisfit

Жыл бұрын

@@d.k.t.3380 I wonder if that means Critical Role is gonna go back to playing Pathfinder?

I remember hearing from someone- regarding having characters you don’t want to lose in DDB: Take pictures. It’s not as convenient, but it’s worth it for the cause, and you can reinput the information from the pictures later

"D& done" DOA It's an ORCs life for me! I am beyond HAPPY. Well done PIAZO!

"They are still hoping the community forgets, moves on, and they can still push this through." THEN WE NEED TO MAKE CERTAIN WE DO NOT FORGET AND NEVER MOVE ON. We're going to have to be a bunch of Those Guys and Gals about this. We're going to have to be "Butthurt" over this, but the fact that WotC genuinely is hoping that we all FORGET about all of this and move on so they can go right back to implementing this plan means we can't afford to ease off.

@aralornwolf3140

Жыл бұрын

"And hopes they move on [to their competitors]."

@sociallyundead419

Жыл бұрын

I shall never move on. I'm a grudge holder by nature.

They're just waiting for this to become passe to the fanbase, then they will move on it. Frankly, all of you need to stay to your convictions and NOT GIVE THESE PEOPLE MONEY EVER AGAIN. Seriously, the power is with you, the fans. YOU HAVE TO HOLD FIRM. If you don't, then you are exactly like the Magic community, and things like this will continue to happen.

@mathewbyfield1004

Жыл бұрын

This reminds me of those Hodl that memes for wallstreet bets lol.

@electroschlocktheater6263

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Do not buy a single WOTC/Hasbro product. Specifically look for alternatives for any of their products. They have been corrupted by the great wyrm.

Honestly the DnD community should do what OPR did to Warhammer, when the price of buying the starter kit for Warhammer got to be as expensive as a 3d printer and fans got fed up with bloated rules books that take over 25 minutes just to read and even longer to figure out. OPR came by and made Grimdark Future, or "totally not 40k" and simplified the rules down to a simple system you can fit on a single page and use for multiple different wargames. The DnD community should take inspiration from this try creating a simple set of basic rules for tabletop RPG (maybe not fitting all of character creation and classes into a single page level of simple) and how to balance gear then make an open source game that people can expand freely. I mean if Straight to VHS can be learned in like 10 minutes and only uses free rules pdf's, paper and like a handful of D6's I think the minds behind some of the better custom classes and expansions could make a ruleset that puts the official Wizards one to shame.

"You were my hero! You meant so much to me... I hate that you're making me do this. We were going to change the world!" - Yuri Lowenthal Spider-Man

Meanwhile, Paizo is in the tavern assembling a party to fight the Corporation of Elemental Evil

Hasbro is killing all my hobbies by choking the life out of them.

@effluviah7544

Жыл бұрын

Yep. I like DND and Transformers, it's been brutal. This is what happens when corporations are allowed to do whatever they want; It becomes all about money and any genuine love for anything is completely annihilated in favour of a quick cash grab. :( The only thing we can do is stop buying into it and let them know that they need to change, or they won't make a single dollar, euro, pound, or anything else ever again. If all they care about is money, then the greatest power we have is to withhold our money from them.

@alejandrorivas4585

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@@effluviah7544 its not the only thing you can do. You can agitate for labor strikes, demand government regulation, form pressure groups to have banks give preferential loans to coop's run by creative.

Keep in mind that they might also be doing a "door in the face technique". Put out something outrageous, then put something else out slightly less outrageous

WotC just TPK'd their whole community.

This is why the crab army has been training for years!

@CritCrab

Жыл бұрын

CRAB ARMY 🦀‼️🦀‼️🦀

@asheronwindspear552

Жыл бұрын

🦀🦀🦀

@R.DeMora

Жыл бұрын

🦀 ⚔️ 🎺

@amandafrederickson3764

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🦀🦀🦀

>Forgets, moves on, pushes through Ah yes, I'll forget about OneD&D, move on to supporting publishers that actually acknowledge and love working for their fanbase, and hope you higher ups get pushed through a meat grinder

literally remembered to cancel my DDB sub during last night's critical role episode when they read through the sponsorship lmfao

Absolutely disgusting. What even worse is that they're hiding the unsubscribe option for D&D beyond.

What we need is to move beyond DnD and WotC, no pun intended. What I mean is a consumer declaration of war on Hasbro. Basically indefinitely refusing to buy any Hasbro products unless the new OGL is stopped.

Jiminy Cricket, this is absolute insanity. I’m not gonna buy another Wotc product for a LONG time. Glad Paizo and KP are working on the ORC and Project Black Flag respectively.

@phonetheory7056

Жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@abbeybelanger8118

Жыл бұрын

Paizos a God damn legend! He doesn't care about the money, he cares about the memories and the fun times people have when they get to sit together with friends and kick butt together. I really hope that DnD will continue to thrive through Pathfinder if it all goes to shit

@Starhawke_Gaming

Жыл бұрын

I haven't bought a single D&D product since WotC bought D&D. Not interested in their products. I would be perfectly happy to continue using AD&D 2ed.

@brushdogart

Жыл бұрын

@@abbeybelanger8118 I think Paizo may identify as female...only slightly joking because the founder and long time CEO of Paizo is Lisa Stevens.

Just my 2c, but why are major gaming companies been making anti- customer decisions like this in the last 5 years. Xbox trying to stop selling games between players and moving to a rental-only model, blizzard making a big deal about a phone game 'sequal' to Diablo, and now pen and paper IP game company thinking they are Disney and laying the legal groundwork to sue anyone who 'copies' their IP.

@amesnfire1098

Жыл бұрын

Welcome to capitalism.

WotC reported, in 2019 (pre-pandemic), 50 million players WORLD WIDE and 13.5 million ACTIVE ddb accounts. People really need to understand the numbers they are looking at.

"Greed makes man blind and foolish, and leads him an easy prey for destruction "

I think it's beyond short sighted for the leaders at WotC and Hasbro to look solely at DDB for monetization numbers, especially when they've only owned it for 6 months and there's been known complaints and rejection to the program since you essentially had to buy your collection twice just to use them online.

@stevendorries

Жыл бұрын

What? Corporations being short sighted and having that explode in their face? The hell you say?

@EyebrowsGaming

Жыл бұрын

It's shocking that buying the hard books only gives you a 50% discount to online resources, rather than unlocking a full digital copy. When you've just spent £30GBP on the book (or $40-50USD in some places), you don't want to have to shell out AGAIN for easy access.

@stevendorries

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@@EyebrowsGaming movies, which cost a shit load more to produce than books do, provide a free “digital copy”-that is to say permission to stream it until they decide you need to give them more money or they just don’t want to let you stream it anymore-with the physical media version. Hasbro is staffed by idiots at the C-level who pressure their subsidiary business C-levels to make idiot choices, all in the aim of maximizing shareholder value on a quarterly basis.

@Lui2D2

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@@stevendorries it's not even like it's just movies, I have digital copies of Warhammer books that I got as part of buying the physical books. It's not unheard of to have digital assets with a book, and if GW can do it, how is WotC failing to reach that low of a standard?

@stevendorries

Жыл бұрын

@@Lui2D2 GW give you a free digital copy? Dayum, that’s a lower bar than I thought it was

Just checked the current license, this can not be applied retroactively to any previous products sold or created under OGL 1.0a. While there is a clause allowing for updates to be made to the OGL license, its a moot point for existing products as the release to sell was provided en-perpetuity. Existing sellers can continue to sell existing products, and while WOTC will certainly try to make them think they owe royalties, they definitely don't. This is the standard for how these sorts of licenses such as MIT work, where if you decide to move to a stricter license later you cannot forcefully grandfather in people who were operating under the old license unless it expires or specifically stated that this is an option. Their license explicitily states the opposite of that, so WOTC doesn't really stand a chance and are just hoping people will settle That said, not a lawyer and have primarily only dealt with contracts and licenses with both parties in the US. Obviously if you make $750,000 you should spend the money to get a lawyer and have them confirm or deny this.

Remember, when you cancel, everything continues to work until the next pay period, so it you're paid up for a month or year, you can cancel and still use the service while you search for/migrate to an alternative, or even if you just want to wait to see what happens with this and then expect/hope to turn it back on. One less thing to worry about when clicking that unsubscribe button.

This all puts a damper on me buying the Dragonlance book. Luckily, I did it before news of the OGL 1.1 came out, but I still feel dirty for giving them my money now. All these entertainment companies truly learned nothing from the 2000's. Piracy declined because of legal services like Netflix, and Apple Music/iTunes, and now D&D Beyond. It didn't die though. We've all just been waiting for these companies to fuck up, because we do like giving creators compensation for their work, but we hate being taken advantage of and will burn it all to the ground if we feel our kindness has been mistaken for weakness. Yo ho ho, mateys! It's time to once again set sail!

This reminds me of a Games workshop incident but the whistle blower was reported by the person that received it and it was quickly silenced.

@damien678

Жыл бұрын

👀 more details plz

@righteousham

Жыл бұрын

This is so vague as to be completely unhelpful. Frankly, without some source, it's difficult to believe.

@madevilgenius7547

Жыл бұрын

@@damien678 effectively look up GWs IP policy changes and the NDA leaks (the latter gave the copy of the NDA to a KZreadr called Nordqueen and she allegedly reported them to GW lucky the whistle blower shared the NDA to several places so it spread out a lil bit and The former nearly decimated fan content )

@zerosen1972

Жыл бұрын

They took TTS from us. That's all I care about. Fuck those absolute wankers.

Scandals like this remind me of one thing and one thing alone: We are to much focused on individuals rather than systems. Yes, it is not the empleyees. Yes, it is not even the managers. Guys, it is not even the CEOs. But we make it about them. In an economy where profit is the one driving factor, this is what is supposed to happen. Even if this is also a failing of individuals it is critical to note that they have only ended up in the positions they did, precisly because they are capabale of making the decisions they do make. Them being replaced achieves nothing. Someone else gets the job. If we continue until there is literaly no one left to do the dirty work... yeah what happens then? Will the good people finally get to make the good decisions? No! The good people will have to make the bad decisions. Probably it is the case already. I've read that we should be "aiming for the head" in this comment section. Truth is: there is no head. I would even argue that there is no one at guilt. Again: All this is not a bug, it's a feature! The system is aranged in a way that for us the product (in this example d&d) holds real value (not only in an esoterical way) in that we can make a real use out of it (having fun). For the other side the product holds no value other than the surplus it creates. Solutions are vast but even more unlikeley. Each and everyone of them being even less likely than the others up to the point where there are still some weirdos beliving in the marxist revolution. (do not get me wrong. If done correctly it would quite defenetly solve this problem) It seems we will have to live with this unperfect situation for the lack of an essential need to change it. But still I want to install some hope. One solution that at least applies to our situation is possible - even easy. Let us switch (role playing) systems. The (role playing) system in question must only fullfill two critera: 1. Be fun 2. Not be owned by anyone or anything The internet did lay a groundstone for a possible liberation. It was never this easy to share information. Find talented people and promote them.

"Now it may seem a little harsh, but I personally think everyone involved should die." -The Funny Man