Big ups to assault destroyers with alchem hand flamers for a potentially hilarious amount of low AP wounds out of deep strike, plus a phosfex bomb from the sarge

It is ridiculous to think that GW would not intend this trait to impact fury of legion and vehicle shooting. They are core rules. It’s not some super rare interaction that needs a FAQ. Especially with all the over explaining on rules in this book, they would have said it didn’t if that was the case.

@priestking8636

5 ай бұрын

What is fury of a legion?

@jamesespinosa690

14 күн бұрын

No. What's ridiculous is allowing it to work on vehicles and fury of the legion. It's crazy imbalanced.

Yea, there isn’t anything to clarify about Fury of the Legion. It’s straight forward and clear. If they count as not moving when they don’t flat out or run, then they count as not moving for FotL. It doesn’t specifically say only heavy weapons. Also, chem munitions are actually really good against dreadnoughts and high toughness units. Throw volume of shots and you’ll take them down. The chem munitions aren’t good on their own, you need to use them in volume, but that’s very DG. The power scythe is for taking down a 3+ armour save sergeant in a challenge or taking multiple dudes in a regular fight letting you win the combat more easily. It’s not guaranteed, but it helps. I think Death Guard are highly underrated by a lot of people. They’re a straightforward legion to play. Their rules are simple, all their warlord traits and RoW are good and viable. Everything complements the idea of the air,y and how it’s supposed to play. Deathshroud are nasty in your opponents back line and if you get Grave Wardens in close your opponent is going to fight an uphill battle.

recruited from the last of the British empire, fought the emperor to a stand still, resulting in him appearing before their council to negotiate and share his vision of the future. Infantry and dreadnought tactics, heavy assaults, nasty weapons, grim grinding advances, going to chaos with the caring sharing god, and led by a disgruntled captain and a primarch that's just bitter as F

@mordredpendragon1235

Жыл бұрын

It's so sad

Yeah i dont see what exactly is unclear about the Fury of the Legion and legion trait interraction?

Great video. Looking forward to seeing the Sons of Horus analysis. Maybe you could also do a speculation video about your predictions of new plastic kits? This could be interesting. Another one could be an analysis of weapon options for Cataphractii and Tartaros Terminators. :)

This is the Legion that I have chosen to play. I’m mixing in a bit of the 40K Death Guard kits to make a late war Death Guard force. I read The Buried Dagger as inspiration. I have give a lot of my guys combi-alchem flamers, but am staying clear of power scythes. Thanks for the video.

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Sounds awesome! Good luck with the project

I hope over time they will drop more traits be it warlord or rites of war. Also once Demons will come out I am sure things will get very interesting

Since the grass is always greener on the other side of the field, as na Iron Warrior I'm certainly jealous of some things Death Guard has. Their Rites of War seam very cool to me with making almost the whole map a Dangerous terrain or getting rand grenades. Having so many ways to make opponent not want to charge you sounds very fun for a shooty legion. But I guess that is what I'm in for being the most shooty of all legions, you can't have everything

@DeusExMachina10001

Жыл бұрын

IW kinda shit on DG this edition.

The scythes are amazing because combined with rad grenades they're doubling out marines toughness at initiate ok only ap3 but there's plenty of 2 wound 3+ legion specific units out there and no fnp saves for your opponent. It's the rad grenades and toxin bombs that make them really good! Ten terminators charging a tactical squad is loosing one or two terminators on average they're now T3 and with chain bayonets you're wounding them on 2s with a re roll that's a lot of 2+ to make, coming from a basic tactical squad and that's not including fury or the legion over watch! Everyone is so excited about las cannon heavy weapons squads but death guard have mobile multi melts heavy support squads! Which is gonna delete anything within 31" remember multi meltas a twin linked now! You can put a tech marine in that unit with a cognes signum and you're re rolling all those hits too. Alchem flamer tactical support squads are statistically better then volkite culverins you can easily get 5 models under each template if you position correctly, that's at least 50ish hits wounding on twos you can get 10 hits on all the dreadnoughts and are still wounding on twos. The play style is a short range heavy firing army were everything either has armourbain, fleshbain or fury of the legions that even close combat arms need to think twice about charging combine this with night fighting and you have a very serious threat

@ericochoa5784

Жыл бұрын

this guy gets it

@finnymathew6400

Жыл бұрын

How do they have 31 inch range. Aren't multi meltas only 24inch range?

@Marc-hm6bz

11 ай бұрын

​@@finnymathew6400 'Cause of the DH trait, you can move your based move with no penalty while shooting the multi-melta, so he added the base moverment to the range of the MM.

Death Guard are one of the most interesting legions, because I think their legion trait is only good or bad depending entirely on your meta and how much terrain you play with. Its just impossible to accurately rate in a void compared to pretty much everyone else. Probably the most well written legion in the game because of that, tbqh.

The wording on fury of the legion and heavy weapons explicitly states if you didn’t move in the proceeding phase. The wording remorseless says you count the model stationary in the shooting phase, however the model still has moved in the prior phase of the game. Which nullifies fury of the legion. So which is it because can’t be both ?

Hm. For me death guard have amazing rules narrative-wise. When it comes to the actual tabletop performance I can’t really say - haven’t played with them or against them yet. My theory is their rules scale a lot more then other legions with player skill and the map and mission setup. Which actually makes them very interesting legion. I initially wanted to play them but decided against - their models don’t appeal to me as much as I though they would. If not for that I would be trying em out.

Quick correction. The Reaper's Visage does not affect Psychic Checks! Under Psychic Powers, it states that penalties to leadership modifiers (or effects that cause you to autopass leadership) do not work on psychic powers!

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Good catch, of course it does!

They're my jam no matter what, OP/UP doesn't matter heck I'll play em as loyalist with Gavi leading an allied detachment. Give me sythes or give me Deathguard oh yeah I get both!!

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Yes Wayne!

Do you know when you're gonna do a White Scars Video? 👀

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Not sure yet but should have every legion pt1 done inside a few weeks!

kinda funny that AL venom spheres are better than DG toxin bombs

Underrated. Armored allied detachment for my alpha legion force org.

@mikepearse5196

Жыл бұрын

@@Zabzim Great name. Spelt it wrong though. It is also to note that we all have our own perception of "good" as well. To me any movement that can get me moving more or outside of my movement phase is great. I love me some move.enf shenanigans and objective theft.

@mikepearse5196

Жыл бұрын

@@Zabzim would but I can't stand the Dark Angels or Lion The Johnson.

Eh… this is way better than UM legion trait, which forces you to bunch up to get anything out of it. Recon marines and lascannon HSS are basically relentless with this. DG is a very good legion. I’d say top 5 easily.

Power scythes for free might not be that good, but still a lot better than 10 points for word bearers tainted weapons

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

That is true

@ipsmytime

Жыл бұрын

better deal than night lord chain weapons too

GW really needs to clarify the legion trait a bit. Mainly in terms of Vehicle rules, fury of the legion and the Scorpius's rocket barrage. They are either completely busted or trash depending on how you interpret these rules.

LOL. The one thing I agree on is that GW is bad at writing rules. Apart from that though, this seems like guesswork, as did your tier list when the Death guard end up close to the bottom. "Most of the time Death guard will be played as traitors" is assuming (and Ming doesn't like that) If you'd follow any XIV group you'd know there are plenty of 7th company fans, and there will be plenty of "lovalist" fury of the ancients and pride of the legion lists. The legion trait is one of the best in the entire game. It will find use in every single game, all throughout the game in every movement phase and every charge phase. A disordered charge against a an enemy with toxin bombs or rad grenades isn't going to go as well as you think. An unexpected -2" movement can lead to a failed charge, and that's funny to the Death guard who enjoy a good laugh. It's even better in the (admittedly traitor) Creeping death rite of war where almost every bit of terrain on the table is a safe haven for the Deathguard and a trap for the enemy. Don't forget the Siege breaker consul will probably be bringing phoshex shells and graviton guns to add some extra fun for the enemy to go through, in addition to actual terrain and toxin bombs. Power scythes aren't as good as they look, not because limited availability (one per character is plenty, it's a classy, select weapon for the discerning gentleman reaper, not a farmers tool) but because reaping blow requires base to base contact with several enemy models, and that isn't cool. Now this is something that needs to be FAQ'd. Don't worry about AP2, weight of dice is the great equalizer. Did you forget rad grenades for the entire army is a thing? The Reaping means any unit can have them. You know the thing that allows Str6 to instagib enemy models? Str6 is nice and easy too, because power scythes and power mauls. There is absolutely no question that Death guard tactical squads can always use fury of the legion every single turn. It doesn't need to be FAQ'd. Although you can read this further...Fury of the legion says if the unit didn't move they can use fury of the legion....Which implies that during reactions, as your unit didn't move (it isn't their turn, so of course they didn't) so....fury of the legion as overwatch? Macca considers the Death Guard as probably the third strongest legion. XIVth players know. Count the seven.

@ruleofkoolwargaming4926

Жыл бұрын

The best part of this is, DG aren’t overpowered. With all of this, they still have drawbacks and aren’t an auto win. This is probably the best written legion in the entire game. If more legions were written like the DG, the game would be in a better place, and it’s pretty good now.

@azoxystrobin

Жыл бұрын

@@ruleofkoolwargaming4926 I actually agree. As for legion traits I would have prefered an old space marine codex idea: a list of traits, each legion has several traits, but all the legions have some in common. That way we wouldn't have the current discrepancy between legions, or the silly things such as Imperial Fists are better shots with bolters....which assumes that none of the other legions use bolters quite as much - glance sideways at the tactical squads at the heart of every single legion... In my opinion each legion should be similar to the others with minor differences. Back in Rogue trader era the only difference was the colour of the armour and that was enough to have fun anyway.

I tried to use a psyker in one game - first turn I tried to fire his combi disintegrator, it blew up in his face (gets hot) and killed himself with instant death 🤦

Make your warlord a libby and give them a psychic hood AND reapers visage. Give the psykers a big ol middle finger. Hypocritical as shit, but hilarious.

Nemesis Bolters and Power Weapons on vets, go 5 and 5. Get pinning and be advancing all the time!

@user-ee6ih4tu8i

Жыл бұрын

All legions can do that though, Veterans have Relentless

Super strong legion. Not flexible, lore friendly