When my father died back in 2004,I had a dream a few days later after his death in my sleep 'where everything seemed so real' he was working repairing a shed roof on a ladder, I was shocked to see him,I said to him 'but you are dead' he replied ' I am not dead what are you talking about l am here' That was back in 2004 (17+ years ago now) I still remember this dream to this day,it still haunts and upsets me.

Julian Baggini, we are constantly changing. Yes, but consciousness is constant. There is a constant I. It's always me, even if my personality changes.

I can't believe I'm just finding this now. I wish this series was pushed more on KZread.

@dougg1075

3 жыл бұрын

Welcome

@suzybailey-koubti8342

3 жыл бұрын

Welcome, TBallard! Closer to Truth simply the best!

@ECharlie-kq1ib

3 жыл бұрын

Its published enough!

@ffmaniac

3 жыл бұрын

and when you think about it... the show is actually quite old... but i guess people didn't know about it.

@Ivy-ux7wq

3 жыл бұрын

Why is someone always stealing my thoughts😝 I was going to post that

the best show of all time.

@a.g.hustlegarland4197

8 ай бұрын

Deep throat is

Dr Parnia, always a pleasure listening to you.thank you

There's nothing like this show anywhere, I'm addicted

Death is not the cessation of consciousness, rather an event in consciousness.

@RamSharma-zp5fx

4 жыл бұрын

What exactly prompts you to say that?

@werquantum

4 жыл бұрын

Ram Sharma Much has been written about, and theorized on, the subject of consciousness. Search on it, then have fun.

@PrivateSi

4 жыл бұрын

Proof? Extraordinary claims and all that.. NEAR Death Experiences won't cut it, nore will quantum entanglement.... How many dead people have conciously talked to you recently...... I hope for your santity the answer is none, ever... But to be fair to your vague comment you may mean conciousness continues for some time after the heart and/or brainwaves stop .. I believe you're not truly dead until your brain (and/or body?) has rotted enough for it to be impossible for conciousness to be restarted in a functional way.

@RamSharma-zp5fx

4 жыл бұрын

@@werquantum I completely understand. However, I seem to think that just because certain topics have been, as you've said, "written about" or "theorized on", doesn't necessarily mean that the contents of the topic are true, but much rather proves that the topic itself is simply controversial. All meta-physical claims have been subject to theoretical speculation as well as being the basis upon which several notable literary works have been composed, but again, this does not affirm it's validity. The only thing validified here is that NDE's and consciousness are contentious topics. I would say that there are numerous arguments, theories or literary works which detest or oppose the existence of NDE's/Consciousness as there are arguments, theories or literary works which seem to be in favour of it. Controversial topics, such as that of which we took to discuss, undoubtedly has several perspectives, opinions and arguments both in favour and not in favour of its validity; after all, that is what makes the topic controversial. But again, the presence of controversy should not be the basis upon which we take to measure validity.

@GeoCoppens

4 жыл бұрын

Utter bullshit!

You're going through the same philosophical struggles that all the great thinkers have gone through -- wrestling with how a conscious mind with a lineage of personal experiences and individual character can just "vanish". This anguish is at the heart of the very earliest death rituals. It is a part of the grief process that even animals experience -- loss of loved ones, and wondering where they went, and where we shall go. It's a statement about our plight that 10s or perhaps 100s of thousands of years later we're still no closer to coming to a definitive answer. No shortage of beliefs of course, but no undeniable factual answer. Other than... "we're gone". A slap in the face to human dignity.

@entombedmachine1518

2 жыл бұрын

That’s the thing… it doesn’t vanish. It’s just recorded in our DNA and passed to our descendants.

@bizzysenior

2 жыл бұрын

@@entombedmachine1518 even though you are correct the DNA we pass to our descendants isn’t us it is only half of us .. the other half comes from your partner so it isn’t a total copy of oneself.. and as the generations March on your DNA will be totally different

@danielkammer3244

2 жыл бұрын

What if you can't have kids

@stoneysdead689

Жыл бұрын

@@entombedmachine1518 Your memories and character are not contained in your DNA. They're not talking about making a clone of someone- that would only create what would amount to a twin. They're talking about recreating not only a person's DNA but every single particle that makes up their body- and the spins, charges, etc.- of those particles. In theory, if you did that- the resulting person would be them- complete with all their memories and emotions and everything. And the specific point they were making is that even if you did this- it does nothing to lessen a person's sense of self, they still feel like them- and they're still going to have self-preservation instincts and not want to die. And so- have you really recreated them? I would say- yes, you've made a copy- but that doesn't mean someone is all the sudden going to be ok with death. You didn't transfer consciousness- you made a copy of it, the original still exists and they will fight to stay alive. I'm not sure why that seems like a logical inconsistency to some ppl. The key here is that you copied it, you didn't transfer it- and that's a huge difference. In fact, I suspect that you can't just copy it- I suspect that the process of copying the information will destroy it. Otherwise, you're creating a person from what seems like nothing- you start with one person- now you have two- with no cost? That doesn't feel right- it feels much more right to think that the process of copying it will require the destruction of the original source. Which sort of makes sense because we already know that measuring or observing a quantum system changes it. Since you would be recording the quantum properties of each particle- you would change each particle simply by observing, measuring, and recording its properties. Which would mean when you got done- that person wouldn't be that person anymore. The set of quantum values that made them "Bob" has been changed. Now they're just like the "medium" you're about to download them into I guess- whatever it is.

@georgedoyle2487

2 ай бұрын

@@stoneysdead689 “The key here is that you copied it, you didn't transfer it- and that's a huge difference.” Exactly!! Well said!! The problem is that a strictly reductive materialism, atheism or philosophical naturalism is literally self refuting. It inevitably leads to fatalism and epistemological nihilism and inevitably suicidal ideation. Especially if you are intellectually honest enough to live it out consistently. The fact is that no one has ever empirically observed “matter” outside and independent of Mind and Consciousness for we are forever locked in (mind) and (consciousness). All we can observe are the contents of perception, which are inherently mental. Even the output of measurement instruments is only accessible to us insofar as it is mentally perceived. We usually infer the unknown from the known not the unknown, that is “matter” to the known which is (Mind and Consciousness). This reverses the logical direction of inference which is why the theoretical abstraction of mind known as “matter” is clearly not the fundamental primitive. It leads to an absurdity!! At least be a consistent strictly reductive materialist, atheist or philosophical naturalist, that is at least be a consistent fatalist and epistemological nihilist because according to the greatest atheist thinkers who ever lived… Logic is an illusion (Nietzsche) “Truths are illusions which we have forgotten are illusions.” - (Nietzsche, Reference from: On Truth and Lies in a Nonmoral Sense). “Should I kill myself?” is the essential philosophical question.” (Albert Camus). Merry chap but at least he’s “logically” consistent with his atheism!! “Suppose we want truth: why not rather untruth? and uncertainty? even ignorance?” - (Nietzsche). “You can not get an (ought) out of an (is)” - (David Hume) “Storytellers continue their narratives late into the night to forestall death and to delay the inevitable moment when everyone must fall silent.” (Foucault). Life is an “horror” and “truth” is “illusory”. (Nietzsche) Imagine telling all of these little stories to someone as a Christmas bed time story? And “new atheists” mock our beliefs!! Their world view, their absurdity, their ULTIMATELY MEANINGLESS, HOLLOW AND SOULLESS APE, their existential crisis and their epistemological crisis not the theists!! And a very cheerful group of people I bet they were a blast at Christenings, birthday parties, and especially at golden wedding anniversaries and especially at funerals!! Cheerful group of people but at least they are intellectually honest and “logically” consistent with their strictly reductive materialism, atheism or philosophical naturalism!!

This channel should have millions of subscriptions! Such high quality production and content.

@Flosseveryday

4 жыл бұрын

Imagine a world where Closer to Truth episodes were some of the top trending videos on KZread. Instead it's a grown man playing with Legos. 🤔

@ahd9456

3 жыл бұрын

It has good topics but too many ads That may be a reason why

@jasguy2715

3 жыл бұрын

Just look at what our world has turned into. it seems people just don't want to think too hard especially the millennials. all they know is playing games on their cell phones listening to loud music and other nonsense. America's worst generation in my opinion.

Ok,I’ve been watching Closer To Truth for a bit now. This is by far my favorite episode.

This is one of the best series I have ever come across. I have thought about this stuff from the time I can remember , I am 66 years old. I haven't owned a TV in 25 years and only became aware of this program a few months ago. Robert asks the same questions I have , the only difference , I don't fear the concept of death. I have recommended this series to people close to me. The thinking persons series.

Some of the materialists seem to have absolutely no grasp of the very basic concept of first-person awareness. It's almost as if they are trying to explain it away. I don't think they understand the interviewer's basic question: can I (first-person subjectivity) survive after death? This question seeks an answer to whether or not my first-person consciousness continues after death. The materialists reply by talking about replicas of you (devoid of the subjectivity that existed prior to your natural death) possibly existing. This is fine. But then they make the deep category mistake of inferring that this replica is necessarily you. (By the way, materialists make the same mind-bending omission when some of them just deny that consciousness exists - calling it a "delusion" while ignoring the fact that a delusion presupposes consciousness). They can't admit that there is an extremely clear distinction between the subjective me living forever and some type of a replica/twin of me living forever. A replica of you can live forever ergo you can live forever? This doesn't make sense to me. Perhaps the materialists are trying to shoehorn the idea of an afterlife into their materialist outlook by radically redefining what "afterlife" means (a meaning totally different to what the interviewer and humanity ask when they ask: will I survive natural death?). I think if they were being honest the materialists would answer: When you're dead, you're dead. Your lights have gone out forever. However, someone who looks and talks like you might live on. Our materialist outlook, while it makes rational sense to us, is at its core, tragic. Go somewhere else if you seek consolation. Perhaps I'm missing something!

@moon8520

Ай бұрын

Awesome comment.

I absolutely don't get the fact that this channel doesn't get millions of views. Some of the best content you can find on KZread

@colemanbandy671

3 жыл бұрын

Too long and well-researched for most people’s attention spans. Basically the anti-VSauce.

@michaelcollins2399

3 жыл бұрын

Ha I said the same thing about a year ago. I think most people just don't really care to be educated ha ha

@masterpNL1983

2 жыл бұрын

Because it doesn't give you answers, more some sort of opinions and discussions. Noone can gives you a answer.

@eiffel65bigfan

2 жыл бұрын

@@masterpNL1983 I disagree. I admit that it's a bit frustrating at the end when the episode ends with more questions than answers, but that doesn't make it less interesting. Listening to the opinions of some of the brightest people out there about the deepest questions we ask ourselves is very interesting and insightful. It gives us different perspectives to deal with those questions

Wow, how could I not find out about this channel earlier? I can relate to so much that has been said here. I feel like being on the same hunt for truth. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and your findings.

It is not all of life to live, nor yet all of death to die. For life and death are one, and only those who will consider the experience as one may come to understand or to comprehend what peace indeed means. ~ Robert Grant

If humans have souls and live on after death then so might every creature on Earth. Imagine meeting the soul of last night’s dinner.

@laurentiumanolescu

4 жыл бұрын

Have you ever had a discussion with your meal?

@mitseraffej5812

4 жыл бұрын

Laur Manolescu . Often, albeit one sided. My family and I eat a lot of fish, all caught by me. I usually apologise for the pain I cause when I take the hook out of their mouths. Regarding souls and consciousness I think my beloved dog certainly has the latter and if I thought I had a soul then I would definitely think he does too. And by extension all living creatures. But I don’t think I have a soul. Life is but a hiccup of consciousness between oblivions.

@Untilitpases

4 жыл бұрын

Not much going on there. A fish's soul would carry on swimming in that context.

@mitseraffej5812

4 жыл бұрын

Jeff Amos . Not keen on meeting anyone else’s.

@vladimir0700

3 жыл бұрын

I’m more inclined to believe that animals have souls than that humans do. Most humans are incredibly evil

Every time you go to sleep you disrupt that continuity of experience. One day you will go to sleep and wake up as a new person, the I'ness will be the same one minus the memories.

@paulk2257

3 жыл бұрын

And the evidence for this proposal is ......? And no, the anecdotes don’t count as evidence. Like god.

@Exnexus

3 жыл бұрын

@@paulk2257 Look up 'Alan Watts - What happens after Death (Lecture)', he explains it better than most. It's only a 10min clip but if you find his style interesting there's plenty more floating around.

@paulk2257

3 жыл бұрын

@@Exnexus Thanks. I did listen to Alan Watt’s lecture. I knew a little of him but hadn’t heard that brief talk. I asked where was the evidence for your initial comment, which I now see is based on Watts. I still ask the same question. Watts presents no evidence at all, just thoughts and ideas and a link between two statements which is highly tenuous at best. Like most philosophers, he presents thoughts and ideas to questions which are close to unanswerable. His idea that we continue after death as someone else makes no sense at all. And he presents no evidence for this idea at all. For as long as our species has developed enough cognition to ask questions like Who are We, and to recognise our sense of self through consciousness, we have developed an arrogance that we are somehow different and more special than all other creatures, and also a fear of it all coming to an end at death. That’s what drove the development of most religions, which are really just a crutch for mankind to justify its arrogance. I am a scientist and was trained to think logically and sceptically. It is extremely difficult to support any other idea that we just cease to be at death. After all, we didn’t exist for billions of years before we were born, and Watt’s ideas that we just carry on as a new human without the memories doesn’t work in an evolutionary sense. In nature, indeed the cosmos, the simplest explanations are usually the correct ones. Simply ceasing to exist is the simplest explanation of death. It’s just that we can’t accept it!

@Exnexus

3 жыл бұрын

@@paulk2257 A scientific mind is the wrong tool to use on philosophies of life. How does science approach a work of art, or a good book? You would have to conclude that they are the sum of it's constituent atoms, thereby missing the totality of the object. While I don't agree with everything Alan says, some of it rings true to my own experience and I would call that internal evidence. In the end you are the only person you will ever believe.

@paulk2257

3 жыл бұрын

@@Exnexus I agree with your last sentiment but not your first. It’s a mistake to think scientific thinking can’t appreciate the abstract or philosophies of life. It just doesn’t have to believe it.

FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE OF AN NDE WHERE HAD A SIMULTANEOUS EXPERIENCE OF OBE ( FOR NEARLY HALF AN HOUR ) I AM 100 PERCENT SURE THAT CONSCIOUSNESS SURVIVES THE BODILY DEATH : WHILE I COULD SEE ALL AROUND ME VERY CLEARLY EVEN ACROSS ANY IMMEDIATE BARRIERS , AS ALSO HEAR ( ALTHOUGH NOT LISTEN CLEARLY BECAUSE OF NOISY ENVIRONMENT AROUND ) : I HAD NO OTHER SENSATIONS : NO PAIN OR PLEASURE , NO SKIN SENSATIONS, (PERHAPS NO KNOWLEDGE OF SMELL OR TASTE) : SENSE OF TIME REMAINED ONLY DURING THIS SPEEDING THROUGH A BRIGHT LIGHT TUNNEL : ONLY AFTER EMERGING FROM THE TUNNEL COULD I SENSE SPACE WHERE I WAS HOVERING ABOVE MY IMMOBILE BODY AND ALSO HAD A SORT OF "BIRD'S EYE VIEW " OF ALMOST EVERYTHING BELOW AND AROUND . ENTRY BACK INTO MY BODY LYING THERE WAS NOT AS DRAMATIC AS WAS THE EXIT : IT WAS SO SMOOTH AND SUDDEN THAT I CAN'T RECOLLECT ANY DETAILS . THERE WERE NO HALLUCINATIONS OR IMAGINARY WORLD PROJECTIONS WHATSOEVER DURING THIS EXPERIENCE BUT I SOMEHOW HAD THE MEMORY OF THE EXPERIENCE WHICH I SHARED WITH MY FRIEND AND COLLEAGUE ACCOMPANYING ME AT THE TIME : IN FACT IT WAS HIM WHO CONFIRMED WHAT EXACTLY HAD HAPPENED FOR HOW LONG : YES, HE WAS SURPRISED AT WHEN I DESCRIBED TO HIM WHAT HE WAS DOING DURING THE TIME I WAS OUT OF MY BODY ! EVER SINCE THAT INCIDENT ( NEED NOT CALL IT AN ACCIDENT ) MY CURIOSITY TO EXPLORE DEATH AND CONSCIOUSNESS CONTINUES TO DATE ! IT WAS AFTER SIX YEARS OF THIS EVENT THAT I WITNESSED A 104-YEAR OLD MAN TAKE TO YOGIC SAMADHI IN PRESENCE OF NEARLY THOUSAND PEOPLE INCLUDING HIS FAMILY MEMBERS, RELATIVES AND FRIENDS, OTHERS INCLUDING TWO DOCTORS WHO HAD BEEN CALLED IN ADVANCE : HE HAD ANNOUNCED HIS DATE AND TIME OF TAKING SAMADHI A WEEK IN ADVANCE AND HAD INSTRUCTED HIS FAMILY TO INVITE EVERYONE TO CELEBRATE HIS DEATH ( ACTUALLY SAMADHI WHICH IN REALITY MEANS LEAVING ONE'S BODY VOLUNTARILY : SO THAT CONSCIOUSNESS IS EXPELLED OUT OF THE PHYSICAL FRAME AND ONE GAINS THE FINAL RELEASE FROM HAVING BEEN TRAPPED FOR SO LONG) ! AS AN ADEPT YOGI HE HAD THE KNOWLEDGE AND OBVIOUSLY THE MASTERY OVER HIS BODY - MIND PROCESSES AND WAS IN POSSESSION OF THE METHOD TO CONTROL THE TRANSITION OF CONSCIOUSNESS PRINCIPLE : HE ACHIEVED HIS GOAL SUCCESSFULLY ! THIS REAL LIFE INCIDENT PROMPTED ME TO EXPLORE THE MYSTERY OF CONSCIOUSNESS FURTHER ON : DISCOVERY IS STILL ELUSIVE !

I think having persistence of self continuity being what matters is a misguided assertion. We are not persistent or continuous. Our awareness, or sense of self is fragmented each time we go to sleep. When we wake up, we are not “exactly” the same as when we went to bed. Our molecules and atoms have changed. If our general pattern, or arrangement of molecules is what is important, because of the state or condition they produce, and that pattern can be replicated by another medium or substrate, then Max has got it right 👍🏼 Love this show ✌🏼❤️

When the angel of death approaches, it is terrible, When it has reached you, it is bliss

@paulk2257

3 жыл бұрын

There is no angel. Nor is there bliss. There’s just nothing. Exactly like there was for the 13.7 billion years before you were born.

@raeds8218

3 жыл бұрын

@@paulk2257 I have no conception of what it was like before I was born, I cannot say that it was nothing.

@paulk2257

3 жыл бұрын

@@raeds8218 You had no conception because you were nothing. When you were conceived, you were one cell - no brain, no nervous system, no consciousness at all. And before that one cell you did not exist. Nothing. That’s what we all have been for 14billion years till the chance of our birth. And once we die, we will once again be nothing for however long time continues. No “soul”, no metaphysical existence beyond death. Those are just concepts born from the arrogance of our consciousness - we think, therefore we believe we are important. The universe doesn’t think so.

@TheFragilityOfIdeas

2 жыл бұрын

@@paulk2257 Wow, seems you have some insider information! So assured you are right, that you can’t possibly be wrong, the all seeing and all knowing, paul k. Let’s wrap up this channel then and quit wasting time, as the oracle, paul k, has solved it!

@paulk2257

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheFragilityOfIdeas I could mention minor nuisances like facts and evidence but they are irrelevant to those who just wish to believe. I could also tell you that over 90% of scientists globally will agree with me. Buy how about when you experience that bliss you come back and tell us all about it…

Amazing episode. Thank you

What disturbs me is the fact that losing self consciousness is a daily thing that happens (when you sleep, when someone goes in coma, etc…), so the idea of dying and consciousness disappearance brings an uncomfortable feeling, but it is not nothing exceptional. If we accept we lose consciousness when we sleep, we could as well accept we could lose it forever.

Great debate Lawrence. Love the ways you put questions forward.

Only one thing scares me more than death. Eternal life.

I have been aware of spirit from an early age, it can be wonderful but very scary, when you experience spirit it stays with you all your life, no one believes you but it doesnt matter as you know the truth, i cant explain it but i know its true.

@maureendonato2881

3 жыл бұрын

Lucky you!

About consciousness, and the loss of it at death, I ask the question ... would the universe, would reality, mother nature, god, etc. ... be so wasteful as to lose consciousness? Also, nothing is destroyed, as mentioned, its only change that occurs, so the perhaps unanswerable is what change occurs after physical body death? Could consciousness and the organization involved in it, somehow connected at some level of the universe such that it simply slips to some other domain?

@Hummmminify

4 жыл бұрын

I think that when we die we wake up in another aspect and we think we were dreaming and usually forget it like we do most dreams. I think sometimes we remember and may take some memories with us. I also believe we may reincarnate if we wish and remember our former life. I don't think there is a God. I think we are all aspects of God and we may be born again and again as corporeal physical beings to appreciate our magnificent CREATION with fresh, young senses.

@josemarq43

4 жыл бұрын

I am the awernes that appears as you and me, we are One😷😈😷😇😷😍

@georgedoyle7971

3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree with you!. We can only speculate. Nevertheless, the belief that there is no evidence of a non “physical” consciousness depends on what your definition of “physical matter” is. Recent evidence suggests that consciousness could be related to quantum vibrations in the neuro tubule receptors in the brain. It speaks volumes that at the quantum level you have “objects” that are massless, invisible, impossible to measure completely that can influence each other over great distance and can also paradoxically be in the same place at the same time (Bi locational). I’m just speculating but our previous “materialistic” Newtonian concept of matter, time and space seems to crumble under the weight of evidence from quantum theory. Similarly, after the death of an old friend Einstein stated... “That means nothing. People like us ... know that the distinction between past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion." Interestingly, recent research suggests that Einstein was right, death is an illusion as reality appears to have a non linear dimensionality. All the best to you and keep safe during this Corona virus crisis.

@Aftrbrnr

2 жыл бұрын

@@georgedoyle7971 9

@georgedoyle2487

2 ай бұрын

@@Aftrbrnr “9” Did you hear the one about the overgrown amoeba with illusions of grandeur who thought he was nothing more substantive than an ULTIMATELY MEANINGLESS, HOLLOW AND SOULLESS APE who shares half their DNA with BANANAS? He was a right NUT job as he thought that APE have magical value because APE say APE have magical value!! He was a right FRUIT AND NUT CAKE as well as he wasted his “finite” life ironically proselytising about ultimately meaningless, fatalistic, nihilistic word games. And he thought that “he” wasn’t objectively real either as “he” thought that “he” was just a subjective, arbitrary, social construct, an arbitrary cultural relativist, that is as arbitrary as the fact that we evolved five fingers instead of six!! Nothing more substantive than the ultimately meaningless, ultimately purposeless, accidental arrangement of random atoms and brain chemicals creating the illusion of stable patterns and regularities!! That is nothing more substantive than the brains [USER ILLUSION OF SELF], a determined machine, a chemical P zombie, that is nothing more substantive than a chemical and biological meat robot right? That is nothing more substantive than a “MONKEY” BRAIN IN A VAT. The ultimately meaningless, accidental arrangement of pond slime evolved to an allegedly “HIGHER” order right? Nothing more substantive than the ultimately meaningless science project of vinegar and baking soda accidentally bubbling over, a JOKE on the universe with the illusion of consciousness/free will, that is the illusion of the “RATIONAL AND MORAL HIGH GROUND” LOL. He went BANANAS in the end!! Drum role!! Kerching!! Applause!! [GOTCHA!!] “9”!! Your world view, your absurdity, your ULTIMATELY MEANINGLESS, HOLLOW AND SOULLESS APE, your existential crisis and your epistemological crisis not the theists!! Everyone has a right to believe what they want and everyone including theists have a right to find it totally ridiculous, totally nihilistic, totally fatalistic and totally and utterly self refuting!! Prove me “WRONG”? I’ll wait!!

I ask the same questions as he does. Brilliant.

I don't agree that I'm different in a deep sense today than in my earlier ages. I'm 75, and I can confidently say that there is a core of me that's the same since I was a teen. My experiences have increased, but I feel like I'm actually more "me" than I was when I was 14. It's that sense of "self" that's so hard to define and explain, and nothing here gave me any insight into that.

robert kuhn, you need to talk to dr. bruce greyson and also look at the university of virginia consciousness studies dept. they got a ton of compelling evidence.

Thanks again for another thoughtful video. The key argument, to which you alluded, is continuity. The thought experiment that I think is definitive regarding uploading or cloning, is that the moment after duplicates are created, if a stranger had a gun and was going to shoot one of the duplicates, each duplicate would point away from itself proving that each had its own separate identity and consciousness. In the case of cryonics, if the process physically worked but if, upon being revived, the person had no recollection of who he or she was, the process would have failed because there was no continuity. When and if it is possible to implant a super computer into our brains, and being incorporated into consciousness, allowing redundancy. In such a case, the brain could die with only partial loss of identity due to continuity.

To die, or not to die. That is the question

We cannot speak of any unbearable lightness, but an unbearable weight (or responsibility) of being, and that is, that consciousness (in terms of life in any dimension or scale) will never end, because it is timeless.

Why would you want be who you are now forever? You or nobody has ever been who they are forever! We are everlasting awareness in consistently changing avatars...I believe that whole heartedly

Excellent quest by Kuhn.. I don't know what's there in the video to be disliked by 47 people.. can they please speak up.

This is one field where philosophy can truly shine in all it's glory, can we disrupt death. There's not a single term or smallest event that should be overlooked when examining this phenomena, yet not many minds dedicated their life to that project. It's because we're hopeless right from a start. Nobody ever survived, there's nothing to tell what hadn't already been spoken about subject. What do we mean by death, it's something, like transition from animate to inanimate state, maybe we should start with a word.

He asks all the right questions.

Excellent!

i’m not sure what’s more scary, dying young or living forever

@jnn6734

2 жыл бұрын

Living forever without fear haha

It's surely sure one thing : this is the BEST channel💪🙏😁

Great work

Nice work. I appreciate the different views. Did you consider interviewing Donald Hoffman, who considers consciousness as fundamental? We can go on forever here.

@dare-er7sw

4 жыл бұрын

Dave Howie Check Sarvapriyananda on KZread. The Hindu perspective of advaita Vedanta is refreshing. Consciousness is the only thing that exists.

@albundy9597

3 жыл бұрын

but not as a personality, as Ramana Maharshi said,"To think you are a person is a mistake"

Here is a relief, in the metaphysical realm, time does not exist so living forever is not a constraint.

Every cell in our body has its own "personality". How could their "software" be replicated?

@djacob7

4 жыл бұрын

@Reed Marcotte We're saying the same thing more or less. Every cell is unique. My question is if we try to duplicate an organism in software (AI), how could we model such a variety of cell characteristics?

Personhood and a soul is essential.

amazing

Mr. Kuhn is a great skeptic and host.

YES!!At 4:29,there's a small reference to Cryonics.

My simple idea is that consciousness is fundamental, a field or energy that the physical mind is able to “receive” and experience in a body, like the internet in a computer or a radio picking up a broadcast. Any brain sufficiently advanced, can receive the signal, it’s all one consciousness expressing itself in many different forms.

@rolandroland4366

2 жыл бұрын

I absolutely agree with you. There should be a universal consciousness in the universe!!

Thank you, Julian, for making the valid point regarding the "self" that most people mistake as being true identity. It was never who we were. It can't. We are much grander than a concept of the mind.

@no42arak-st-floor44

Жыл бұрын

can you help me with Julian's last name? they missed it in the transcripts. thank you!

@no42arak-st-floor44

Жыл бұрын

don't bother please....got it!

Gotta love being agnostic.

Loved the video👍👍👍👍

Glad to find this show at my age and not veryyy old

This guy, Julian is crazy, Robert’s reaction was exactly my reaction, and his response was exactly mine as well to Julian. Most would like to live forever, especially if family and friends could, and remain healthy and young, it’s all conditional really. But if those conditions could be met, then of course. I’ve heard arguments of getting bored, but it’s a false premise. I never get bored with eating each day because there’s many variety of food to consume, even though I’ve lived 70 years now. Because each time is like the very first time when you get hungry and enjoy the routine so much. So if the enjoyments never goes away then yes you would never get board ,even for an eternity. The only thing that changes that is when your quality of life descends, then maybe that argument would have merit. Julian send me that pill😊 I’ll make sure to give it to my loved ones as well. 👍😊

Max doesn't quite understand what the 1st person awareness means, even though that is him!!

I don’t fear death 💀 I fear very painful pain only death can be free from pain. Who wants to live forever Queen 👸

Robert, if you want to know about the survival of consciousness beyond the death transition, ask an expert in the field. I'm president of the Afterlife Research and Education Institute. There are volumes of evidence that we live beyond the body. We're far beyond wondering about that. We're now focused on developing means of communicating. Go to afterlifeinstitute.org.

@jettmthebluedragon

Жыл бұрын

Not just that but also we would have no idea this planet wold ever form in the first place 😐in fact we were most likely all ready dead before we came into this world in the first place 😐

Even if my computer's electrical activity is zero it does not mean that it is broken or that it no longer works ... it is just on standby. If our brains appear inactive or dead to our rudimentary instruments, that doesn't mean it's dead. I think as long as we 'come back to life' our brain was not damaged, but was just in hybernation mode maintaining minimal activity.

As Muslims we understand that death is a hiatus and then reincarnation of the same body happens with the same consciousness, very similar to going to sleep and then waking up.

0:35 - Robert Lawrence Kuhn walks into Exegol to interview Palpatine about death disruption

How do past lives work? Past life regression. Past life regression is a technique that uses hypnosis to recover what practitioners believe are memories of past lives or incarnations. ... Once created, those memories are indistinguishable from memories based on events that occurred during the subject's life.

that discussion about the one first person experience 'I'....That's why I liked the game 'Soma' so much. Goes with the premise of the perfect copy of the mind uploaded to another body (actually a machine body). That 'I' character then feels like the original 'I', no different and in continuity (comparable to waking up after sleep). He then rather struggles with the fact that there's another one left behind that feels absolutely the same. I don't think that works without all the connections to the body and all the organs though, that would have to be replicated too

I think the problem with all these knowledge about consciousness, the expert never try meditation which is a gateway to our consciousness. People who have meditated have experience paradigm shift in their view of our mind/ body relationship.

I want to live forever ever since I was 11👏

I think just like experience of life is different for different individuals, death also is not same for everyone. We all have different after-death fates depending upon our dispositions & personality types: 1)some of us may have a continuity of consciousness after death by evolving in a spiritual world, 2)some get reincarnated back on this earth in another body, 3)and some may just vanish after brain death! In other words, afterlife is a qualification, not a natural right!

'EXCELLENT' .... Difficult subject but made simple & plain with beautiful insights by all the speakers....... may be because of limitation of length of video post, views of the Eastern traditions including Vedantic especially views of Dr. Deepak Chopra not included ( though there is already similar interesting & beautiful CTT video post of year 2015 of Dr Deepak Chopra on same subject but since now 5 yrs. have passed, both in their own different approach , Dr. Robert & Dr Deepak both being energetic, lot of enthusiasm, passion, with full of insight & foresight , & quest for TRUTH, may have evolved some more fresh/ new , interesting & fruitful insight/ outcome/ideas/views .....and may be there some where convergent of view points of two Giants........ refer to video post CTT episodes 1804 (consciousness) & episode no.1905 ( strong emergence ) ........ & moreover it's very interesting to watch their always highly charged, emotional & volatile conversation...... thanks 🙏.

Conciousness is at the same time a wonderful and a terrifying gift the nature and evolution gave to human creatures. Source of all religions, that are all nothing but a way to anesthetize our terrifying awareness of the unavoidable vanishing of our "selves". Why are we so frightened about the "after"? Should'nt we be terrified by the "before" as well? I personally feel the same feeling of distress for both the after and the before..what and where was "myself" before I born? Likely in the same place I'll go when I'll die. That is, nothingness. Sad indeed. But unavoidable, I think.

Wanting to live forever is already hell.

@jettmthebluedragon

Жыл бұрын

But so is dying forever is in hell 😐

Some philosopher once said: "When I am, there's no death. When there's death, I am not." So, perhaps we shouldn't fear death, because we never experience death. If I experience something, I am alive. If I die, I do not know that I am dead. It's like sleeping; When you sleep, you don't know you are sleeping. You only know you slept when you are awake. Death is sleeping without dreams.

I like this guy he isn't committed to any particular idea

DEATH IS MORE COMFORTING THAN LIVING

@jettmthebluedragon

Жыл бұрын

In some ways however if you think about it you were all ready long dead before you even came into this world in the first place 😑

Simple.answer , we'll all find out.

This show is top tier

12:30 the SHADE. Then again, I agree with Kuhn. If it is possible to coexist with your twin, it means the person in the other body isn't "you" even if they think they are. So it doesn't matter if you die just before the twin starts living. In that bet you're just agreeing to die so someone else who believes to be you can get a lot of money.

Yes. Everything the first guy said. Yes

First interview contradicis over and over to avoid the soul...

His continuity theory is due to not understanding the purpose of our experience here on earth. Our core soul essence has nothing to do with age or time for that matter. It just is. And was and always will be. Age and time is only relevant here in the 3rd dimension. Only our human selves go through the aging process. The soul does not. It just exists. When it transitions, it transitions as a soul, not a human if that makes any sense. In other words, who we came in as, is who go out as. When I had a NDE I had all this knowledge and awareness of the ultimate truth of our existence shown or given to me. I remembered who I was as a soul and everything I had just gone through on earth seemed like it all happened in a short period of time and there was no judgment. I had an OBE at age 7 and a NDE/ADC at age 46.

I like what said.. The phrase "consciousness disappears into thin air 😁"

Is the soul/spirit physical or material? No, therefore it cannot die or end.

@jettmthebluedragon

Жыл бұрын

The only thing that dies is the brain 😐ware we will go hell of I know 🙂but my best hypothesis we will end up in the same spot as if we did not live in the first place 😐

In these videos I see the good Dr. often not observing proper social distancing. Tells me a lot. (Still love him)

@barleycorn3384

4 жыл бұрын

I believe this movie was done prior to that directive no?

@youtubetrailerpark

3 жыл бұрын

There's always one Karen in the room.

I think the closest we can get to experiencing death while alive is anesthesia

To me, the conversation with Max More supposes consciousness is a function of the brain, -- it's "patterns" -- as though our patterns of interpretation of reality, for instance, our interpretation of vision or touch, is stored inside us, in a vacuum. But rather, is it not the case that "who" we really are as conscious beings is the reality suspended in the matrix between our own singular body and the body of the larger world which we are a part and is also our own? I do not feel touch or see images somewhere inside me, independently of the "outer world," but I am rather defined by the feeling of the reaction of one body's skin and nervous system, between what is the "inside me" and "outside me." We see the world from the perspective of just beyond the surface of what is inside our bodies. We do not feel as though we see from inside our eyeballs, but more-so as though we live in the place between the surface of our "inner" and "outer" worlds, simultaneously. I think consciousness, is not something confined to an independent body in a vacuum, but it is the negotiation of forces between individual bodies within the collective of which all is a series of subsets.

That one guy who just wanted to make copies of himself has convinced himself that he doesn't really exist as a person, just a pattern. Plus, what egotism to imagine that your personality and opinions are so important that they need to go on after you die. The graveyard is full of indispensable men buddy. What good is a future where "I" am not there? I can make new memories, and everyone could use a little personality work, but there is only one "me" and I'm him. On the old Star Trek show, Dr McCoy made that point. As far as he knows, he died the first time he used the transporter, so what difference does it make to go again.

To fear constantly death during life will amount to one not living life. Living is to maximise knowledge and experience equating to wisdom, consciousness is attached to one however not part of one evolving over vast time through different personalities. You will only see this once you shed your fear.

Its like ghost, some people love the thought of becoming a ghost

These shows use the same walking about footage. 1:52 is the 3rd time I have seen the woman in jeans on Westminster Bridge.

Death when it came was already destined to be annihilated. At the beginning, there is a singularity (The Fall) and at the end there is another singularity (the appearance of the Superhuman). The difference between the Human and the Superhuman state is an Information of infinite dimension, which allows for stability and an Entropy close to zero. In this state, Death is impossible, as there are no time-dependent degradations. (In fact, the process is much more complicated than this simple scheme, adapted to the small space).

Best title for this series will be ´not closer to the truth’… great 👍 questions overall

Kudos -- 444 Gematria -- 🗽

*Sir, the question is less complicated than you think: If you make a clone of yourself, will it be you ? Will your "first person awereness" be transferred to it, or it would be only a copy ? There´s a great difference between a personality transfer and a copy. You may continue to be you in the old body, but there will be a copy of "yous" acting like you, thinking like you, but he won´t be YOU.*

@jettmthebluedragon

Жыл бұрын

Well we don’t know for sure 😐

@DihelsonMendonca

Жыл бұрын

@@jettmthebluedragon Just imagine: if just now some lab make a clone of you without you knowing, and this clone arrive at your presence, you'd see him in front of you, would you stop being you ? Would you stop feeling your self as you do now ? No. When you have a son, you don't stop being you. When you have a clone, you don't stop being you. There could be millions of clones of you walking on the streets, but each one is another person, you wouldn't know what he is thinking, because you only know what you self is experiencing.

@jettmthebluedragon

Жыл бұрын

@@DihelsonMendonca well theirs only one of me 😐as for I see the world from first person point of view maybe I always have seen the world from first person point of view of life and death 😐it’s just…strange 😓

@DihelsonMendonca

Жыл бұрын

@@jettmthebluedragon Yes. It's this "first person experiencing the world" I'm referring. Scientists and researchers call it self awareness. It's the awareness that we have of ourselves. We can't experience the world from other heads, just ours. So, I think although it's perfectly possible that with future technology, people make clones, or even download the entire knowledge and memories from a person, or recreate "Albert Einstein's mind" based on his thoughts and facts, through artificial intelligence, this new being would not be the real Einstein brought from the dead, it's just a bunch of recollections from his diaries, thoughts, and interviews. It's not the real Einstein awareness. On the other hand, something intrigues me: Many people accept that we have a spirit, or a soul which survives after death. I keep asking to myself, what happens to this awareness, or consciousness if for example, this person was completely frozen for 1 million years and brought to life again, intact ? Where his "spirit, or soul would have "traveled" or was for a million years ? It's difficult to accept that. But I believe one day with genetic engineering and technology, man will live almost forever, changing the body and preserving his brain. The day they could finally successfully make a head or brain transplant to a cloned body, a new era will begin. And even now the secrets of ageing are being discovered, with AI developing substances that would stop and even reverse age.

We don’t know what it’s like to live a long life? Depends who you’re asking . There are life forms that have a much shorter life span

Every day signifies a mini life. When you wake at sunrise it's a new birth. As the day progresses it's a mini life. In the evening when the sun is going down is the most beautiful time of day. When the moon rises you fall asleep and dream. That in a nutshell is the cycle of life and death on a small scale. The four seasons are the same on a larger scale. Spring is like morning or new birth, summer is the noonday when the sun is high and you're in the prime of your life, evening is autumn the most beautiful time of the year, with the color of the changing leaves, evening the sky is the most beautiful purple, pink, fiery orange and blue. Then the silvery moon slowly rises in a blue velvet sky and you're at peace. You become drowsy, you close your eyes, and sleep sets in. It's winter at this stage where everything is covered in snow and frost. All of nature falls to sleep and rests. Then in the spring, the cycle begins again. Therefore death should not be feared. I believe death is misunderstood. Once death is understood, there is no more fear.

Any hope to interview NT Wright pleeez??

Disappointing to see someone base much of his argument on an extreme overstatement of how unreliable memory is. The studies that show such unreliability are a tiny foundation upon which to built a complete understanding of how much people change over time. Yes, people can have false memories. No, we're not *defined* by them. Also, the "eternal succession of selves" to argue that immortality would be meaningless is sophistry. If it's fine until now it'd be fine for as long as we can have it. Also, Robert should actually dive deeper into NDE reports. They're well beyond the level of "anecdotes" in how many have been reported over time, and how many people have at least reported experiencing them. What they mean we don't really know, but that people really do experience them should be beyond question at this point. This coupled with reports of these people experiencing and perceiving events around them that they should not have been able to experience and perceive. It's valid to suggest that consciousness may linger after brain activity stops, but NDEs include details from external events to experiencing them as hyperrealistic to being downright life changing for better or worse in ways that's hard to explain just through lingering consciousness. Such may not change his mind, which is fine, but this goes deeper than the superficial coverage in this video.

I find holes in the logic of a lot of his sophomoric interviewees. For example, the first guy it says that we are not the same people that we were at 10 or 20 years ago but that's not true. I may not be the same person in the sense that I've grown older wiser and learned more skills but I have the exact same feelings and thought that I did when I was 3 years old

What about when loved ones that have passed speak to you in your dreams and tell you their not dead?

@GhostGL

3 жыл бұрын

Probably still owe em money

@jolaugust-zh3qn

3 жыл бұрын

Perfect

@bazerwazer6180

3 жыл бұрын

Err..... you're dreaming!

I think we must recognize the opinions about after-life expressed in this video are narrow and only offer limited philosophical opinions which are constrained by your guests' ability to craft their argument and state their opinion. You should have included hospice nurses, Eden Alexander, MD and Ray Moody, MD to provide a much broader discussion of after-life instead of limiting the discussion to philosophical argument.

An afterlife would almost certainly require a god. That god would likely be the creator of the universe. You would then be proposing a grander and more powerful entity to explain the universe than the problem of the universe itself. That is not a logical progression or in line with current cosmology. A naturalistic approach provides the answers to a reasonable degree, we don't know everything and never will, but the main boxes are ticked! I have been resigned to making the most of my time on earth and when I'm gone, I will not suffer. Live life to the full, make it as good as you can for yourself and others. That is the ultimate goal!

@machida5114

4 жыл бұрын

神を想定することは 公理的集合論での無限集合の想定に似ています。想定しても、おそらく矛盾は生じないでしょう。それは、豊かな数学的世界を作り出します。つまり、多くの定理を生み出します。でも、その公理を認めない人もいます。

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More confirmation that talking to philosophers is a monumental waste of time.

LOL- The guy who is insisting that ppl being revived amounts to a resurrection is playing a trick with a couple of concepts really. See ppl like me would argue that if they were revived- they were never truly dead. To be dead means you were by definition unable to be revived. This is more an issue with us being able to determine death precisely than it is an example of life after death. It does tell us though that even if there is no measurable brain activity our self, whatever makes us- us, may still remain intact for at least some amount of time. That doesn't mean consciousness survived though- you're unconscious when you have surgery, but you're still you when you wake back up. So, we already know a loss of consciousness can and does happen without destroying whatever makes you- you. I would say death is no different- you've lost consciousness and in this case all brain activity to boot, but whatever makes you- you, remains intact, ready to be reanimated, for at least a short time. Perhaps it's a quantum phenomenon that's taking place within the brain and as long as that substrate isn't destroyed or horribly damaged- it remains. But as the physical structure of the brain decays- the particles are disrupted and the quantum relationship between them begins to decay and change as well.