David Lynch In Conversation
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David Lynch shares his insights into his life, his work and his many passions - painting, film, music and meditation during his visit to Australia for 'David Lynch: Between Two Worlds'.
With David Stratton in Brisbane.
'David Lynch: Between Two Worlds' / 14 March - 8 June 2015 / Gallery of Modern Art (GOMA) Brisbane, Australia / Recorded Saturday 14 March 2015
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The older David Lynch gets, the more he talks like a David Lynch character.
@BigRedMu1e
5 жыл бұрын
just like Tarantino
@julianp2283
5 жыл бұрын
Yes indeed, he sounds like the guy playing the part of Gordon Cole.
@flowbus
5 жыл бұрын
mr lynch you are so fucking lynch
@GauntLife
4 жыл бұрын
What character comes to mind? I understand you're generalizing but I'm curious as to the basis of that generalization.
@ambientstereorecordings3528
4 жыл бұрын
Bobby Peru.. "like the country".
He's not crazy, insane, or a lunatic, he's an artist that creates one of a kind, original music, and film. I think he's awesome....
@markhilton1754
8 жыл бұрын
+Johnny Mireles He surprises a lot of people on just how normal he is. Did you see the Straight Story? A beautiful, charming road movie. He floored me with that movie. A filmmaker for the ages.
@jeffjonesjunior
8 жыл бұрын
+Mark Hilton Well, exactly. He's not a psychopath. He's just a brilliant visual and storytelling artist.
@JohnSmith-wj7ge
8 жыл бұрын
+Mark Hilton Very underrated movie, beautiful.
@WhoTookMyMirr
8 жыл бұрын
he's a wonderful surrealist. love his work.
@RottenDoctorGonzo
7 жыл бұрын
He said he was crazy and lunatic?
I like watching Lynch close his eyes to find his response. It's like he's searching deep down into his soul to find an answer. A true artist. One in a trillion.
@tomallen5837
2 жыл бұрын
lol he's just making sure he doesn't insult anyone
@InvestorPatricia
Жыл бұрын
he is channeling the response. seems very normal for any artist who is inspired with endless ideas from the field.
@4thand133
10 ай бұрын
Agree, when he talks about something that happened in his past, it feels almost like he's reimagining the memory in his mind's eye and then talking about that memory. Like he's putting himself back there and seeing the scene, and talking about what he's seeing.
@stoneskull
2 ай бұрын
some things are hard to put in words, yeah. we got two brains, a right and left, and lynch is anchored in his right
@chelle7272
Ай бұрын
I@@InvestorPatricia
"If a piece of music is too loud it breaks the mood, and if it is too soft you don't feel it" Couldn't be more on point
@rellman85
4 жыл бұрын
dougsours1 But Lynch often uses loud music! (I'm sure it's intentional.)
@robertcrusher1972
3 жыл бұрын
I just heard that and started to read and saw this comment
@stefanstoicescu7165
3 жыл бұрын
i will remember this one.
This guy has the greatest hair in the world. I hope I get to his age looking this cool.
@SlavomirG
6 жыл бұрын
Is it real hair though, wouldn't be so sure about this
@dm.b7560
5 жыл бұрын
hahahah there is people for everything.... conclusion of a 1 hour deep awesome interview : NICE HAIR......
@shannonm.townsend1232
4 жыл бұрын
Check out Samuel Beckett's hair. So boss!
@samaraisnt
4 жыл бұрын
@@shannonm.townsend1232 They have very similar hair and faces. If someone told me they were brothers I'd believe it, the hair is the same and their eyes...
@user-gu5dv7vj8r
4 жыл бұрын
i just hope i get to that age and still have hair
This is a superb interview, offering the Lynch devotee or newbie a whistle-stop tour through Lynch's creative process, his influences and (chronologically) his films. David Stratton, the interviewer, is respectful and knowledgeable, unlike some other Lynch interviewers (e.g. Letterman), who have treated him as a freakish object of comedy. I have time-indexed the topics covered, for my future use and (hopefully) that of others. 1:08 The importance of music to Lynch 2:15 The creative process 3:45 Art without borders; freedom of creativity 4:35 Meditation as an aid to creativity; Transcendental Meditation 8:00 Lynch's early years as an artist and film maker: Six Men Getting Sick; The Alphabet; The Grandmother 9:45 Eraserhead 11:50 The Elephant Man 16:40 Dune 17:30 Blue Velvet 22:07 Kafka 22:30 Wild at Heart 24:20 Improvisation 26:06 Twin Peaks 29:35 Fire Walk with Me 30:02 Another Twin Peaks TV series? 31:06 Edward Hopper; Rabbits 32:12 The Straight Story 34:12 Mulholland Drive 40:39 Inland Empire 46:38 Lynch in film and other media; communicating with actors and other media elements 49:16 Lynch in 3D? 50:10 Finishing a film and letting it go 51:10 Jacques Tati 52:30 David Lynch the musician and singer 55:12 Keeping a fresh eye; the need for objectivity in the creative process 56:16 Revisiting previous works
@00HoODBoy
8 жыл бұрын
+the8ctagon thank you
@IzzyWizzy1982
6 жыл бұрын
the8ctagon thank you for this as Twin Peaks is the first thing I got into with regards to David Lynch, and I don't want to know any spoilers regarding his other works before I see them
@designerlarry
6 жыл бұрын
the8ctagon thank you so much! I'm just into the first few minutes of this, but I'm already impressed. You cannot compare an appearance on David Letterman with something like this. Not to come off like a snob, but this is so much more sophisticated and intellectual, for lack of a better term. As a graphic designer who is trying to revamp his career after having to take a lengthy hiatus, I know that this is going to be very inspiring, I'm being a huge fan of his work (and I had gone to art college just a couple miles from where he attended), The tools and technology are different, but the creative process is still the same. Again, I am grateful that you are sharing this video, I really appreciate how you've indexed the topics and that you could quickly access. Very useful!
@ichris2011
6 жыл бұрын
I always thought letterman was alright as far as late night hosts interviewing lynch went. Leno was a nightmare though, every word he said got a laugh no matter how beautiful and honest.
@velocityJE
6 жыл бұрын
Stellar post
Anybody who turns down the opportunity to direct one of the original Star Wars sequels after it already became a phenomenon is bad ass. Lynch, you are a bad ass.
@marmeloid4494
8 жыл бұрын
+adam ropp start wars is brainwashing mind polarizing propaganda crap. No wonder he got migraine just from being close to that unhealthy shit.)
@nigel9396
7 жыл бұрын
propaganda for what?
@rohansask9638
7 жыл бұрын
He already got burned with Dune. No need to revisit that experience.
@MaximC
4 жыл бұрын
What he describes in the first few minutes, also makes one do in life what one lives to do. Even if it doesn't bring at all much money, just enough to survive even (we don't need much for that, too). Not to mention I imagine he already had more than, money, enough at that time.
@85001
4 жыл бұрын
@@marmeloid4494 tf?
And I said "ooooh a moving painting."
@jktunney
6 жыл бұрын
major key!
@LewisCostin
5 жыл бұрын
"LSD"
@miawxoxo5130
4 жыл бұрын
HEHEHEHEH
@AlexDeLarge1
4 жыл бұрын
@@LewisCostin He actually wasn't on drugs, he says so when he recounts this story in his book Catching the Big Fish.
@stateofopportunity1286
3 жыл бұрын
His films truly are moving paintings. Interpretive.
His imagination and way of thinking is so pure and chidlike. Childlike, meaning that he hasn’t been condition or corrupted into thinking he has to diminish his imagination in order to fit in. Most people have this wonder and imagination as a child but sadly try to diminish it for fear of being too different. David shows that embracing that part of yourself is rewarding and allows you to make creations that people are ultimately moved by.
@InvestorPatricia
Жыл бұрын
for some, you cannot diminish it no matter how hard you try. It wants to be expressed. It is always thrilling to observe successful artists who have easily brought this 'ability' forward.
@aidanclover8751
Жыл бұрын
Advanced souls see through the 'fitting in' human concept, it's something we laugh at. "Must you value what others value, avoid what others avoid? How ridiculous!"- The Tao.
@toxendon
Жыл бұрын
I think it's more that he has been through corruption, faced his shadow self and is now at peace with his being rather than being childlike - a mature and wise person has gone full circle back to happiness and peace but with the weight of knowing the evil within oneself and the world I think - and I'm not there yet but he is definitely an inspiration
@insomniaholics
4 ай бұрын
It's called "beginner's mind"(Shoshin), a Buddhist concept of always starting with a fresh open mind. Losing all the opinions we gather through life that alter an experience because of preconceived notions. "It refers to having an attitude of openness, eagerness, and lack of preconceptions when studying, even at an advanced level, just as a beginner would.(wikipedia)"
@AlreadyDead747
21 күн бұрын
CHILDLIKE AS IN THA SHEER HORROR OF EXISTENCE
"I'm not a musician or a singer but I do make music and I do sing." David is a creative genius
the reason we love lynch is because he always respects the audience's intelligence to identify with his art/work.
I sat 10 feet away from David. Happiest day of my life.
@SlavomirG
6 жыл бұрын
Do you prefer men?
@canaanstuart3331
6 жыл бұрын
Slavomir G You are very cool.
@SlavomirG
6 жыл бұрын
Canaan Stuart I've always been cool.
@SlavomirG
6 жыл бұрын
Pretty strong emotions for one joking comment on the internet
@canaanstuart3331
6 жыл бұрын
@James Hurley
I was in the audience that night. I’ll treasure that experience forever. ❤
@stoneskull
2 ай бұрын
i think they should have let him smoke. you can tell he wants a cig.
The common sense of creativity. People laugh at some of the answers given by David Lynch, because he explains his process in such simple and true terms. He's not pretentious at all.
David Lynch's films remind me of music. Art that evokes feeling without a needing to tell clear story.
@stoneskull
2 ай бұрын
another language, yeah
i love david so much i feel like he really understands the human condition on a complex level and everytime he talks about it it makes me want to cry because i feel what he’s saying and it’s really rare to find someone that can just explain it plainly like he does
Lynch's Fantasy pretty much anywhere, 1. Factories 2. Nude Woman at Night
@aadityabhattacharya
4 жыл бұрын
How about women made in factory?
@luiginastro8831
3 жыл бұрын
That's not... inaccurate.
@primal5911
3 жыл бұрын
@@aadityabhattacharya NAKED WOMEN IN A FACTORY
@sidolanters1394
2 жыл бұрын
women* (plural)
Interviewer forgot to mention Anthony Hopkins in The Elephant Man. Amazing actor, along with John Hurt, and an incredible film.
Whenever I’m at a low ebb ..and feeling uninspired, David Lynch is always there. Love this man.
@RH-ie2tx
Жыл бұрын
That’s why I’m here. In a world of illusion, I need to connect with a true human.
Fantastic interview and I am so grateful that the new Twin Peaks series got made. As fantastic as the original was, the Return miraculously managed to be even better.
what a beautiful human being this David Lynch is...
Adore this man. He puts me at peace. He searches for the humanity we all have inside of us. To find it you have to walk both through the darkness and light. David Stratton is a world class interviewer. Very proud to be Australian here.
DUNE 1984 and TWIN PEAKS brought me here. David Lynch is a genius 😊
'Like gold coming in from within and like garbage going out'. 'My log is gold now'. This has shed new for me on what the log lady meant by that in her final call.
if I had to choose one word to describe David Lynch that word would be: *_"genuine"_*
@stoneskull
2 ай бұрын
genuine artistic genius
Thank you very much, David Lynch .☕😁☕
@davidlynch5092
2 жыл бұрын
I want to specially appreciate you for being a big fan. Thanks for your nice. Comment on my post, it means alot to me . I want you to send me a direct message Hangouts using my personal email that will be indicated below. Also endeavor to add your name to the text so I can know you are the one texting because I don't respond unnecessary messages. Hangouts mail: davidlynchlivechat@gmail.com
"such a freedom this brings" my master
Even though David is not happy with the final cut of DUNE, i love it so much. So so creative and truly otherworldy.
David Lynch is constantly making a movie.
@buried4430
3 жыл бұрын
His life is a movie
@addminimal
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, he's constantly on a catch of the ideas..a constant fisherman:)
It gets thrown around a lot but I think David Lynch is truly a genius.
I'm so glad that he never limited himself as to only doing painting. His films and shows are amazing. With deep meaning and opened for interpratations.
"There's a thing called freedom in art. No restrictions." -David Lynch. My, how the industry has changed in the last 6 years.
How could anybody not love David Lynch? Genius.
I love how he shuts down the notion of improvisation! So many movies today have their stars or directors doing press for the movies talking about what a great time it was and how much we improvise this scene and that scene and did this and did that and joked around set and pulled pranks... I cannot for one second imagine David Lynch putting up with any of that BS. I love how he defended the script, because it is a vision, the screenwriter wrote it and it should be faithfully represented, 100%. How great it must be to work for a director who has that much loyalty to a vision.
I have only experienced bliss in dreams and half-sleep. There has been a couple of times when the alarm clock has dragged me out of my dream, and even if I don't remember what I dreamt or what I felt, I do remember that waking up was like suddenly being pushed into a cold ocean of hard reality. The other time was when I was taking the train in the middle of the night, and ended up stuck somewhere between sleep and being awake. I have no idea what it was, but that state of consciousness was so comfortable I could have stayed that way for thousand years without getting bored.
@wepsar
2 жыл бұрын
Hypnagogia, the transitional space between sleep and wakefulness. Don't let that state constrain your boundless creativity of lived experience.
@CrankyRayy
Жыл бұрын
@@wepsarIt’s an alright place to be really, good for the mind
He asks”But where did the title “Inland Empire” come?” “It came from the story...” I love how he says just enough and let’s it hang there. He doesn’t explain away his brilliance like Tarintino for example
@s.daniel2259
3 жыл бұрын
True Tarantino talks much. He has much energy.
@stoneskull
2 ай бұрын
@@s.daniel2259 different cups of tea though, different strokes move the world. tarantino loves lynch and they are both rebels.
It took me a long time to appreciate Lynch’s work. Now, I think he’s quite extraordinary.
And he is gentle, the two of them actually - which made the moment even more pleasant -.
To see and hear David Lynch talk gives me peace. He makes it look so easy. Amazing ideas just reach to him because they know he's the man to make them come true. I love him and his hairdo.
I love the pace at which they are talking. Not rushing like most of us. some gentlemen!
@stoneskull
2 ай бұрын
where a yellow light means slow down, not speed up
The man's hair is almost as impressive as his career
Receiving ideas and then making a film from them is a true gift.
This man is the best artist in modern Film making - best until now - his works are thought provoking, surreal and non stereotype - that's what makes them unique and fresh.
@stoneskull
2 ай бұрын
lynch and kubrick are the best ever
@elchiponr1
24 күн бұрын
They're also full of feeling and emotion
Still Lovin your work David,cheers old mate.
What a lovely man... :)
Every single time I watch a David Lynch Video he talks about ideas
He is the greatest director of my lifetime and it is by no small margin, he is 1000 x's better than my second favorite artist. No one can do it like Lynch. He is the master.
@kold1783
8 жыл бұрын
balbanes1 agree 100%.
@KokoRicky
8 жыл бұрын
Damn straight! No one even comes close.
@Nikcizy
8 жыл бұрын
+balbanes1 when you say master you mean GOD right?
@Prof_Tickles92
8 жыл бұрын
He's not infallible, nor is any artist. He is in a very elastic genre where his goofs can be covered up by the veil of surrealism
@KokoRicky
8 жыл бұрын
+NazcarFanatic24 And what, you know when he goofs up?
I just love David Lynch! His mind is out of this world. 👏🏻 I started meditation recently and it has changed how i view the world and myself. 🙌🏻
@JonathanAllsop
11 ай бұрын
58:42 Same for me. TM is a super natural do good tool, and David Lynch is simply the best.
I'm thoughtful because I discovered you as a child Mr David Lynch. I already knew I was an artist, but you make me proud of being an artist. Even though people make stupid comments when I tell them I'm an artist. Thank you Mr Lynch.
David Lynch is such an authentic person. He makes me glad to be alive.
I can't stop smiling.
The magnetic pull of an enlightened being; The Guru.
He's one of my biggest influences as a composer
@davidlynch5092
2 жыл бұрын
want to specially appreciate you for being a big fan. Thanks for your nice. Comment on my post, it means alot to me . I want you to send me a direct message via Hangouts using my personal email that will be indicated below. Also endeavor to add your name to the text so I can know you are the one texting because I don't respond unnecessary messages. Hangouts mail: davidlynchlivechat@gmail.com
@JakeMasterss
2 жыл бұрын
@@davidlynch5092 shut up mr lynch
32:50 So tender, tears in my eyes
What an absolutely amazing artist. I'm in awe.
A David Lynch virtual reality film is something I dream about
@GreedAndSelfishness
8 жыл бұрын
Well,were gonna get something like that.Here They Lie is a game for PS VR. Very surreal and creepy and dream like.
@ADT2695
7 жыл бұрын
+sparklinggrey3. Yeah, okay.
@sparklinggrey3
7 жыл бұрын
adt2695 great comment.
@ADT2695
7 жыл бұрын
sparklinggrey3. That was sarcasm - I feel as though you're just "saying that". That would be pandemonium.
@TungstenViper
3 жыл бұрын
Well... Dreams are mostly that, so...
we look at him and he is so kind and genuinely happy. it's a honor to share the same world with you, David
Hearing this man speaking his peculiar mind is like enjoying a fine meal!
"Unbounded creativity." That sums him up perfectly. I hope he never stops. I love David Lynch! (And the way he keeps his eyes shut for half the interview.)
What an absolutely wonderful, intelligent and articulate man.The interviewer is very respectful in the presence of a true genius.
"We live inside a dream."
@marilyntape9050
4 жыл бұрын
Dream State Films our real home is Heaven 😃💜🇦🇺
@rellman85
4 жыл бұрын
Dream State Films if you watch enough Lynch, you'll begin to feel the same way.
@iamnotevenanumber3312
4 жыл бұрын
...but who is directing it? That's the question
I swear I’ve never seen anyone who thinks like this. Nobody does. The flow of one thought to another is as wholesome as it’s insightful and definitely original. And that’s what the public sees. Makes ya Wonder what a character he must be among friends and relations.
You are so beautiful to share your insight 🙂❤️🙏👍🙏💖🙋
I love him so much - his art and the way he talks about it. He's on of a kind
@davidlynch5092
2 жыл бұрын
want to specially appreciate you for being a big fan. Thanks for your nice. Comment on my post, it means alot to me . I want you to send me a direct message via Hangouts using my personal email that will be indicated below. Also endeavor to add your name to the text so I can know you are the one texting because I don't respond unnecessary messages. Hangouts mail: davidlynchlivechat@gmail.com
@roccohorror7022
2 жыл бұрын
@@davidlynch5092 You are one miserable person… FYI David Lynch actually has a channel so your bullshit is immediately stopped The fact that you took the time to respond those these comments is so sad.
Such a kind, well mannered, intelligent, educated, outspoken and good hearted person, he's simply just fabulous. Definitely one of my favourite people of all time, ever.
@CrankyRayy
Жыл бұрын
When David Lynch said it’s lynchin’ time and lynched all over the place, I thought he was truly one of the people of all time
This is a SUPERB interview.
for those that know, the remark by mel brooks that lynch was like "jimmy stewart from mars".. seems to me that lynch is actually metamorphosing into that very person around about 26 mins. in. thanks whoever posted. this guy is hugely formative for me...
This was so great to watch live.
One of the best directors, along with Kubrick, I am so gland he made movies past 5 years. Long live to you David.
@MannyJazzcats
3 жыл бұрын
It makes my gland happy too
@davidlynch5092
2 жыл бұрын
I want ot specially appreciate you for being a big fan. Thanks for your nice. Comment on my post, it means alot to me . I want you to send me a direct message Hangouts using my personal email that will be indicated below. Also endeavor to add your name to the text so I can know you are the one texting because I don't respond unnecessary messages. Hangouts mail: davidlynchlivechat@gmail.com
Delightful to listen to this July of 2021.
All Lynch’s interview video is good to practice English listening. Slow, exact pronunciation, and interesting contents...
This is such a treat - David Lynch is just enthralling to listen to! Thank you for posting this.
A true film maker, one of a kind.
If I had a chance to meet just one person in life to be with him or her it would be Lynch. He gives so much and he has that ability to transport very darkish and deep topics in a very upcheering way.
one of the greatest filmmakers alive and I'm a huge fan of his work, glad I can listen to this content for free!
Thank you uploading this beautiful interview!❤🙏
David: We are all human beings Me: Absolutely brilliant what an artistic genius
@jasondelvaux3036
3 жыл бұрын
Looking at how human beings treat one another, it shouldn't be surprising that the fact gets forgotten on a regular basis. Sometimes the obvious needs to be said.
He explains the “creative process” as an act of manifestation. Lovely
I havent loved , actually fell IN love, with an artist, since Alan Rickman. I absolutely WORSHIP David Lynch. What a brilliant man, and such a pure soul!
DAVID STRATTON VERY BRILLIANT AND LOVABLE INTERWIEVER
Truly One-Of-A-Kind...Superbly talented...Bravo !
It’s the idea that tells you what it wants to be!!! This is the genius that is from a genius!
What a gem.
I love his work , and his creative process is other worldly . He taps the depths of his subconscious and pulls ideas from dreams , he is one artist who doesn't have to keep up with trends or cater to the approval of the status quo. His work is a rewarding and personal experience for him and gives him joy first and foremost. This is something David and I have in common. We are creative and if the public likes the work all well and good .
What an absolute gem.
Two people I could listen to and never bore listening to them, David Paulides and David Lynch
It’s good to experience people who haven’t experienced the death of their creativity perhaps because of the comfort it brings knowing there are people out there alive in a way that seems to be increasingly rare.
David is one of the great masters of film along with Fellini, Bergman, Tarkovsky and Buñuel,
@johnny-vu6rl
3 жыл бұрын
Burnintreez321 nope
@BoRisMc
3 жыл бұрын
Lynch is on its own league, no one like him, ever.
@annette2892
2 жыл бұрын
And Wim!✌😎
@gnarbeljo8980
Жыл бұрын
I'm glad you mentiom Tarkowsky. Definately many aspects in common although their films are (naturally) different (or they'd not have anything in common). I've never heard Lynch questioned about Tarkowsky but I'd just assume Lynch was a fan.
@illegalewahrheiten2911
8 ай бұрын
What a shit list. Bet your read it in some article by another poser.
I remember being there and almost having a heart attack when he said S3 of Twin Peaks may not happen.
@williamwong1982
7 жыл бұрын
Same. I left there that day feeling like I had a major existential crisis.
@mandel957
7 жыл бұрын
Alex Ferguson I like apples
@ubik_3786
4 жыл бұрын
Josef Mandel I do not like apples
@watertommyz
4 жыл бұрын
Did you like The Return?
@CHodgy
4 жыл бұрын
@@watertommyz gotta light?
The Guru has spoken , talent of such a scale happens seldom in life.I hope he keeps creating as long as he cans.
I hope you had a beautiful day. Thank you.
this is the closest to a time-traveler coming from another dimension to enlighten and at the same time confound us simple humans.
I love watching his hands - he's buzzing with so much creativity it comes out in his body language! He's an actual genius and a great artist.
@davidlynch5092
2 жыл бұрын
I want to specially appreciate you for being a big fan. Thanks for your nice. Comment on my post, it means alot to me . I want you to send me a direct message Hangouts using my personal email that will be indicated below. Also endeavor to add your name to the text so I can know you are the one texting because I don't respond unnecessary messages. Hangouts mail: davidlynchlivechat@gmail.com
,yeah…hello David,I wanted to thanks you for this your conversation just now, I loved it and you motivate me , happily with humor….wish you well ,Sylvia
he is amazing and beautiful and wonderful he speaks the truth
He is so honest and pure. Learned a lot from the conversation.Thanks for sharing.
7:10 So Gold comes in, Garbage gets out, much like in Twin Peaks:The Return in episode 8, where garbage comes out of Mother/Judy, where bob and other negative feelings came out and gold comes in or out from the Giant's head... neat.
@TungstenViper
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly, sometimes Lynch is quite literal
@mattgilbert7347
3 жыл бұрын
@@TungstenViper Right. In many ways, that sequence is quite straightforward - if you know Lynch's ideas.
I think Dune was a marvellous movie capable of capturing the magical aspect of Muad'Dib very well.
Wild at heart ❤️
David Lynch is in touch with the twilight zone that exists between wake and sleep. In fact, he probably does his work there. This is the kind of thing people think you need LSD to explore. But somehow he has the ability to slip in and out at will. He understands that area of consciousness and he knows how to recreate it.