😂😂 Russia is not ICC signatory, but the UK supported its decision against Russian President. In today's politics, hypocrisy and lameness are no shame

We won’t forget your original stance David Lammicide

@sochegeorge7962

13 күн бұрын

Good one. I also like Uncle Tom Lammy

@placebo2020

10 күн бұрын

The hypothetical nonsense by this guy is uniquely stupid.

@kwanchan6745

10 күн бұрын

@@sochegeorge7962 uncle tom lammicide, the diversity hire

@eugenedusauzay9468

8 күн бұрын

Never forget

@Itsnotcomplicatedreally

6 күн бұрын

No we wont

Labour has been clear throughout 😭 - Starmer said that cutting off water & electricity was acceptable, we have ears u lemon.

@predragbalorda

10 күн бұрын

Cutting off electricity and/or water amounts to war crime (read up on it if you don't believe me). So....

@Imrankhan-pw4ow

10 күн бұрын

Two cheeks of the same backside, bipartisen hypocrisy and double standards.

Lammy? The guy who rowed in with Starmer supporting a full siege of Gaza? Lammy? Who received a donation of £70,000 from Gary Lubner, an Israeli lobbyist.

@mickreaddin4979

13 күн бұрын

Funny innit! Only yesterday Wes Streeting was saying that Corbyn shouldn't be a member because he received a donation from a grassroots donor. Yet these fcukers can take money from care sector companies, Israeli lobby groups, millionaires/billionaires whenever they see fit.

@4ufjr384

11 күн бұрын

I believe received contributions from Trevor Chin payments so call to friends of israel - these politicians get away being accessory complicits of war criminals

@4ufjr384

11 күн бұрын

Trevor Chin Zionist servant of Rothschilds. Herzog and Hillary Clintoon Blair all were in a party in Kensington

@annemikestuurland1082

11 күн бұрын

His Eyes where Blind, just like most People and they still are!

@simenlvseth1788

11 күн бұрын

@@annemikestuurland1082 History will remember this man forever dont worry. Just like we know who supported 3rd reich

226 days waiting for David Lammys hypocritical U turn

@mildlydispleased3221

13 күн бұрын

He has always supported a Palestinian state.

@ernestmennell4057

13 күн бұрын

Just like Genocide Joe , all words . He still takes money from the friends of Israel . Labour are up to there neck in this , he is a joke just like his Leader

@vincentblack7467

13 күн бұрын

​@@mildlydispleased3221lammy wife as Jews heritage..

@yahyaosman7146

13 күн бұрын

'I'm trying to be a foreign minister' lol

@edwardbernthal160

13 күн бұрын

@@vincentblack7467 being a Jew does not mean you support the State of Israel, maybe you believe all Jews are Israelis?

Starmer said Isreal has the right to commit war crimes, shame on Labour and all the careerist shadow front bench.

@TequilaToothpick

10 күн бұрын

Lammy also agreed with Starmer

@Charles61284

10 күн бұрын

@@TequilaToothpick absolutely, shame on all the front bench, they all culpable.

Now watch as they use the ICC ruling as a tool to beat each other with even though both parties are complicit in their prolonged silence, utterly shameful.

@TimKatungi

10 күн бұрын

At sometime the word ceasefire was a censored word. The buffoons in suits all chorused "the humanitarian pause"

"We don't recognise Palestine as a state" so that makes genocide ok?

@user-bo7fc9tj4z

13 күн бұрын

There was no Israel before 1948.

@user-bo7fc9tj4z

13 күн бұрын

Great Britain created Israel in 1948.

@user-bo7fc9tj4z

13 күн бұрын

Since 1948 it has been Israeli oppression versus Palestinian resistance.

@user-bo7fc9tj4z

13 күн бұрын

Israel has no right to defend itself on occupied territories.

@user-bo7fc9tj4z

13 күн бұрын

The Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands in 1948 resulted in Palestinian people losing their lands and human rights.

My oh my,how Starmer,Lammy and the tory reds have changed their tune,they think we're all fools.

@jn4126

13 күн бұрын

Unfortunately they seem to be right about a fair few people. Tho maybe they are just part of the cult

But Starmer thought it was ok to deprive Palestinians of water and electricity?

@Business101HQ

13 күн бұрын

No? He's gone on numerous rants in the House of Commons about how its collective punishment, isn't allowed and should be stopped with immediate effect? Idk what you're on about tbh

@forestsunset9617

13 күн бұрын

he hadn't got the gauge on the public to form his opinion, now he has. has no backbone.

@daleblackmore2703

13 күн бұрын

@@Business101HQ it was in an interview took me 10 sec to find it mate

@thequestioner5916

13 күн бұрын

​@@daleblackmore2703 did you also look up the multiple videos of kier starmer retracting that comment and saying isreal should follow international law

@daleblackmore2703

13 күн бұрын

@@thequestioner5916 yes mate but you can also look up what mp's said but and after south south africa won if freedom it's about what you first said and only when it does not go down well for them yeah change their stance this is how it works with most mp's , starrmar should know what is a war crime as it is what he did as part of his job before becoming an mp

Everyone Supporting PALESTINE are WINNER'S Today! SHAME ON THE WEST & ISRAEL! Thank You SOUTH AFRICA❤. Proudly 🇿🇦

@jjohn408

13 күн бұрын

“Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas,” Netanyahu told his Likud party’s Knesset members in March 2019. “This is part of our strategy" Haaretz, October 2023…..

@SB-hj3mg

13 күн бұрын

Agree! It is long overdue!

@DeniseWilliams-jr5xo

13 күн бұрын

Yes South Africa can be rightly proud of itself.

@abdulhaq764

13 күн бұрын

Ssshhh junkie john ..its game over 😊​@@jjohn408

@GoldSkye

13 күн бұрын

The warmongers are expediting their end.

All these Hypocrites are complicit in the Genocide in Gaza?!..

Is this part of Lammy's new stand up? Isnt this the guy who was loudly cheering on the Genocide for the last 6 months or more?

@joeavreg2254

13 күн бұрын

But that was before it was politically useful to act like Palestinian's are human beings. I'm just waiting for Starmer to feel threatened in his first year and then feel like he needs to invade Ireland to prove he is tough on international issues.

@feargal2433

13 күн бұрын

​@@joeavreg2254Bring it on. 🇮🇪😁

@eastboundbeanhead6637

13 күн бұрын

@@feargal2433as an English man I hope you win haha

@spamme9021

13 күн бұрын

@@eastboundbeanhead6637 as an Englishman I’d fight for the Irish!!😂

@pokemon1996ism

13 күн бұрын

We are good sheep we will forget everything about it and listen to our overlords who make all the decisions for us

Labour waiting until the wind is clearly blowing in the other direction before they u-turn to actually criticise the Government's handling of Isreal. Where were they from the start? Bunch of hypocrites.

@DeniseWilliams-jr5xo

13 күн бұрын

Absolutely spot on. Starmer is an absolute disgrace.

@fullovstars9447

13 күн бұрын

They were cheering on the Genocide and counting the bungs of cash from their Israeli sponsors?

@crappymeal

13 күн бұрын

It's what the public wants

@chrisperez3614

13 күн бұрын

They look so weak. They could’ve actually been leaders on this issue, but they’re sniveling little cowards.

@crappymeal

13 күн бұрын

@@chrisperez3614 the British people don't like people with integrity.. Corbyn

Don’t vote for Labour or tories

@lhass2409

10 күн бұрын

I Will vote for any of them

The grandson of famed South African president Nelson Mandela has criticised the UK Labour Party's shadow secretary David Lammy for stating that his grandfather would not have supported the ongoing pro-Palestine college campus protests. Lammy, who made an appearance in Washington DC on Wednesday, shared his disagreement with the Gaza solidarity demonstrations during his speech at the Hudson Centre among US Republicans. The Labour politician stated that Mandela would have advocated for peaceful protesting instead of "violence and rioting". During the 30th anniversary of Nelson Mandela's presidential inauguration, his grandson, Nkosi Zwelivelile Mandela, emphatically disavowed Lammy's remarks about his grandfather. "Contrary to what David Lammy, the Labour MP in the UK, would like us to believe, [Nelson Mandela] acknowledged the heroes in the Civil Rights Movement in the USA and campuses all over the world who regularly protested for our freedom," Zwelivelile Mandela said in a lengthy post on Instagram.

Sunak and starmer need to be put in prison

@moomin3744

12 күн бұрын

Put Biden in there too

@TequilaToothpick

10 күн бұрын

And Lammy.

Where was this outrage in the last 7 months? Dont you dare tell me you 've been perfectly clear, Labour have been on the sidelines until the local voting last month gave them a scare.

226 days of Labour complicity

@Breaks4Breaks

13 күн бұрын

14 years of Tory Tossers!

@ninjatribble7961

13 күн бұрын

Better late than never?

@rushy79

13 күн бұрын

100% - the Tories are scum but Starmer has also been tacitly complicit because he's too afraid to stand up. Can you imagine if this had happened with JC still running the party? He'd have rinsed them.

@McKluskie

13 күн бұрын

you cant be really complicit if you have no power to do anything about it other than talk, I agree Starmer took the wrong stance on this but to suggest he's complicit is a bit of a push, lets try to remember who's been in actual power for the last 14 years shall we...

@garagenigel

13 күн бұрын

​@@rushy79😂😂

It is simply disgusting how some people continue to try to justify the crimes of Netanyahu and his regime 🤮🤮🤮

Lammy Friends of Israel

@jjohn408

13 күн бұрын

“Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas,” Netanyahu told his Likud party’s Knesset members in March 2019. “This is part of our strategy" Haaretz, October 2023….

@jalalmiah8135

13 күн бұрын

Hasn't done much for the citizens of UK and supports billions for Ukraine whilst homelessness, child poverty, fuel poverty etc in the Uk

@edelgyn2699

12 күн бұрын

@gmac FoI is a Labour group so it doesn't really count for much - my MP is also in the Friends of Palestine and was staunchly behind Israel when it launched its offensive against the people of Gaza. These are just handy badges to sport, the MPs don't give a damn about their own constituents let alone people in the ME.

@gmac9667

12 күн бұрын

​@@edelgyn2699 you've seen the Al Jazeera investigation, right? It's a company logo, not a badge.

@derekmab7734

11 күн бұрын

He is a slave of Israel

Look at the lack of bums in seats. These are the people we trust to run the country. Disgraceful.

David Lammy calling out anyone for a soft response on this issue is mind-blowing.

@edelgyn2699

12 күн бұрын

Posturing his voluminous gut-bucketry for the camera - yuk!

Bunch of hypocrites the lot of them

It's incredible that they are supposed to represent the people of this country, yet we all think the Israeli government and armed forces are committing war crimes.

@ernestmennell4057

13 күн бұрын

They are , clown

@LuxoriMiracleSeraphim

13 күн бұрын

No, we don't all think that statement. They delete the real crimes myself and others have confirmed.

@robynsjp

13 күн бұрын

No we dont

@Idomealways..

13 күн бұрын

Most lol ​@@robynsjp

@audreymcgready4329

13 күн бұрын

@@robynsjp People that do not agree with and support the slaughtering of thousands of innocent children do. People that do not support genocide do. Your comment tells me all i need to know about you. All i care to know. Nasty.

Anyone remember when the job of a British MP was to protect and serve the British people NOT protect and serve Israel?

@edelgyn2699

12 күн бұрын

I don't think it was ever to protect us, more represent our views. Are you mixing up MPs with the police? 😉

@SideQ-rr6my

12 күн бұрын

​@@edelgyn2699they are in charge of national security...

@kieranclarges2514

10 күн бұрын

@@edelgyn2699 Ahhh yes the independent private police force that has nothing to do with the government... If only we had some sort of Ministry of Justice, Then my comment wouldnt be incredibly silly.

Stop arming them then!!!

Labour has been clear I don't think so...

Just remember how these politicians voted....

@edelgyn2699

12 күн бұрын

Easier to remember the ones who pushed for a ceasefire, so few of them. 😥😥😥😥

If you're so worried about international law, maybe get your leader to admit he was shameful and wrong to say that Israel had the right to cut off food, water and electricity from Gaza.

Sunak lammy and Starmer to join list of war criminals

How come there no is such thing as German friends of Labour or Australian friends of Conservative but there is Israel friends of Conservative and Labour?

Both parties are full of hypocrites, and both are complicit. How these two for 7 months have been defending this geno with the same annoying phrase "right to defend"...

He's one of the reasons I will not vote Labour...

@dj_cakes

13 күн бұрын

who will you be voting for Vinny?

@TequilaToothpick

10 күн бұрын

​@@dj_cakesI'm voting Green. I cannot vote for genocide defenders such as Starmer and Lammy.

and still labour back israel - what a load of waffle

What a utter hypocrite!!

If Lammy was told Netenyahu was coming to the UK when he's foreign secretary does a single person on here believe he would turn him in??? Not a chance!

Too late from you and your party!🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇵🇸

Liar and hypocrites !!!

I guess they forgot to top up David Lammy's account

It’s alarming that Lammy talks as if people will forget Labour’s motivation to alter their blindly supportive policy backing Netanyahu was only changed to thwart the SNP motion that could have cracked the Labour Party. We need an enema in Westminster to get rid of these Politicians with no firm values in an effort to avoid being held to account. Leaders lead by holding principles, not following election polls. Warrants sought, whilst both main Parties did nothing but cheerlead this catastrophe.

@mildlydispleased3221

13 күн бұрын

David Lammy has always supported a Palestinian state. Just because Starmer has been slimy on the issue, it doesn't mean the rest of the party is at fault.

@ernestmennell4057

13 күн бұрын

Are you from planet Earth ,. Another who takes the Israel lobby cash . Get them all out .

@TheWorldsEnd66

13 күн бұрын

@@mildlydispleased3221 O5/10/2023 The New Arab “MP David Lammy, who is currently the Shadow Foreign Secretary. Lammy, a prominent member of Labour Friends of Israel (LFI), had only recently returned from a Labour Friends of Israel all-expenses-paid trip to Tel Aviv and Ramallah”. You just have to sell your values to the highest bidder.

@mildlydispleased3221

13 күн бұрын

@TheWorldsEnd66 He is also a member of Labour friends of Palestine.

@TheWorldsEnd66

13 күн бұрын

@@mildlydispleased3221 He maintained the Starmer line, like the whole shadow front bench, rather than resign their positions on principle. Afraid they may get purged with so many? A Party without values is not fit for purpose.

Too little too late, Lammy! Consistent with weak, unprincipled politicians, whose weakness for self-preservation, trumps any display of humanity, or just doing the right thing. This guy trying ever so hard to sound statesman-like, only compounds his previous meal-mouthed responses and Labour's totally ineffective position. Opposition, to what, exactly?

Did the conservatives just admit to not supporting a two state solution by not recognising Palestine is a state?

@Aloddff

13 күн бұрын

The UK voted 'absent' during UN vote on affirming statehood of Palestine which contravenes the Foreign offices official position outlined in the treaty of Oslo that we are a signature for that affirms both Palestine statehood and a two state solution. currently the government is engaged in a eating a cake and having it tactic wherein they simultaneously say the they believe in a two state solution, that position is necessary for peace and that Palestine doesn't exist

@Jouantiese

13 күн бұрын

No, you just fabricated that nonsensical reasoning.

@brifi4321

13 күн бұрын

Glad you said it. I thought i'd imagined it. Very telling.

@jonathandnicholson

13 күн бұрын

'Palestine' is a territory. Strictly speaking, the so-called Palestinian territories are part of Egypt (the Gaza Strip) and Jordan (the West Bank).

@imagmahd7307

13 күн бұрын

@@jonathandnicholson By that logic the UK owns everything

He's some kind of hypocrite this guy. He should never be minister of defence or foreign affairs or anything come to think of it.

@user-sd3ik9rt6d

13 күн бұрын

Can you explain why you believe that or is it just words?

@Shsjier

13 күн бұрын

​@@user-sd3ik9rt6dlabour are just copying americas foreign policy. They clearly dont believe in anything. With regards to foreign policy atleast

@mildlydispleased3221

13 күн бұрын

He's supported a Palestinian state from day one.

@feargal2433

13 күн бұрын

A week or two ago while in the US he gave a speech to Republicans where he stated that Nelson Mandela would not have approved of the student protests. Like Starmer, an untrustworthy, power-hungry, unprincipled buffoon.

@stevenhunter5799

13 күн бұрын

​@@user-sd3ik9rt6d He's repeatedly argued his belief that Israel has the right to defend itself. He is morally bankrupt, just like many of the MPs in our two main parties 🤮

Post truth politics in full swing.

The reasons for the ICJ's arrest warrant , for Netanyahu, were the same offences that Starmer supported

@JoannaHammond

13 күн бұрын

This is about the ICC, not the ICJ. The ICJ deals with countries, the ICC people.

The Tories complicate in war crimes

@ricardosmythe2548

13 күн бұрын

The ICC hasn't called for arrest warrants. Only ICC judges can do that. The request is from an ICC prosecutor and is yet to be approved by a panel of judges.

@TequilaToothpick

10 күн бұрын

Let's not let Starmer, Thornberry or Lammy off the hook. They also supported Israel's "right" to commit warcrimes.

@ricardosmythe2548

10 күн бұрын

@@TequilaToothpick alleged war crimes

A two state solution is impossible when the Likud charter denies it. It's no more than an academic debating point.

@markwelch3564

13 күн бұрын

Would senior members of Likud going to jail change things? 🤔

@Staenhus

11 күн бұрын

The opinion of the Israeli government is not set in stone. If enough pressure was applied, to the point that it hurts Israel more than a Palestinian state would, then the situation could change. Possible pressure includes sanctions, limiting travel, freezing funds in international banks, withdrawal of protection etc. The problem right now is that Western nations expect Israel to magically change their minds while still funneling arms, funding and diplomatic/political aid to them in a never-ending stream. A goal without strategy is, as you say, impossible. A two-state solution is not.

This answer is dispicable. Let's remember, Britain immediately cut off the aid to UNRWA based on spurious accusations by Israel that some UNRWA workers were associated with HAMAS which contributed massively to the starving of the population. History will remember these facts.

Just a god awful bottom of the bucket Chancer.

@sochegeorge7962

13 күн бұрын

Just about sums him up to a tee

Sorry, is labour calling someone out for back tracking ? Really ?

Hypocrisy David Lammy

There should also have been arrest warrants for Sunak, Cameron, Braverman and their ilk.

Lammy and his technicolour dreamcoat is late, by about 9 months!

Why wasn't labour talking like this the whole time?

@TequilaToothpick

10 күн бұрын

Because Lammy, like Starmer, has no morals or beliefs and will change good opinion based on popular opinion whenever needed.

I have to tune in to see what Lammy believes in this week.

What happened to his previous line? Sounds a bit worried about the side of history he’s on? The world has the receipts of where you stood. Not with the people of Palestine, that’s for damn sure

@Staenhus

11 күн бұрын

I agree. With that said, we want them to change their tune, that's the point. If Labour changed their mind and started to apply actual pressure on Israel, together with every other country's/party's leader in the West who have been passive and/or complicit, then that would be a good thing. Don't forget, but welcome the change. A free and equal Palestine is the goal after all.

Labour opposed nothing until the SNP called for a vote!

@TequilaToothpick

10 күн бұрын

Labour even blocked their vote too.

The house of common liars and crooks.

Thd hypocrisy of lammy is sickening playing both sides flip flopping yrs thd hostages haven’t been reflexes they should be

Never forget, never forgive. This clown & most of his party we're complicit in this whole affair. They put no political pressure on the Tories when it was most needed.

arrest lammy now!!!

The UK is a member of tbe International Criminal Court. It should unequivocally support its actions today.

@danmayberry1185

13 күн бұрын

The new Right has an aversion to international bodies (ICJ, UN, etc). Tough to isolate and play well with others at the same time.

Tory government "don't recognise Palestine as a state" meaning that Israel is an occupying force and thereby Palestinians have a right to resist. Does this minister understand that his reason for not believing the ICC has jurisdiction actually means that he's condemning Israel as illegal occupiers. Words have meaning and he has no idea what he's just said. If he'd simply said the ICC should be allowed to make an independent assessment and ruling he wouldn't have condemned anyone.

@Britishrailwaystories

13 күн бұрын

But your point being made is that in either scenario, Israel is guilty of crimes against humanity.

I noticed Lammy chose his words VERY carefully when talking about being AGAINST what Israel were doing.

@user-bo7fc9tj4z

13 күн бұрын

The Tories and labour have lost votes of the people who seek justice for the Palestinians.

Dodging the issue........what a sham.....I'm lost for words to describe how I feel about this country's government and opposition.Ugh.

What about the thousands of Palestinians being held illegally?

David Lamy pretending to give a monkeys. You won’t hear Starmer say a single word in on this.

Before the end of World War II, the Allies suspected such a defence of “following orders” might be employed and issued the London Charter of the International Military Tribunal (IMT), which explicitly stated that following an unlawful order is not a valid defense against charges of war crimes.

We've been stuck on 35-40,000 deaths for about 1 month now as if the death toll has stopped climbing...

@gmac9667

13 күн бұрын

Truth is the first casualty.

@ljt3084

13 күн бұрын

The Palestinian health authority is so devastated they cannot accurately assess the civilian death toll any longer. Almost all hospitals have been bombed or Abandoned except for the European hospital in Rafah. Remember when Israel said they don't bomb hospitals after the first hospital was hit. Why would Hamas waste ordinance bombing over 100 of its own hospitals and health clinics. Even a sperm bank. They wouldn't. When Russia bombed a hospital in Ukraine, the US and UK immediately pushed for the ICC to serve arrest warrants on Putin and his military tacticians. The western hypocrisy is astounding.

@theSTUNTHAMSTER

13 күн бұрын

now that all the hospitals and health care has been destroyed there's no one to count and record the dead and injured.

It is over seventy decades that Palestinians have been oppressed! Talk about that dude, not only two hundred plus days!

Both parties are complicit and need to be in court for sentencing for crimes against humanity.

Kier and sunak also need arrest warrants

🚫STOP THREATENING "I C C" STAFF😱

Pressure to go into overdrive? Hasn’t even got out of neutral.

Absolute moral windsock this guy.

@forestsunset9617

13 күн бұрын

all they care about is votes, not morals

Labour wouldn't even condemn the place he's got some nerve

They must be late on David lammys cheque

Two faced as ever now beginning to worry about what’s coming down the line from the Icj

I was going to denounce Lammy's hypocrisy, but I see innumerable people have already said the same. Quite right, too.

This guy was Israel’s biggest cheerleader about a month ago. You cannot trust anything these guys say

So the UK can support the ICC for Putin, claiming the work is important. The UK does accept Palestine as a state but many countries in the world does (sounds like the UK making the rules again.. I.e. Rwanda is a safe place because we say it is). UK doesn't want Israel to be shown to be committing crimes against evidence so, we simply say we don't recognise Palestine and Israeli actions are OK. Does the UK support the warrants for Hamas people, if so then they should also support other warrants. No wonder people are turning away from politics, noone can give decent answers, and when it's clear they say "I don't recognise that" or the premise of the question! And That Cameron cannot be held accountable in the House of Commons...one could almost say it was designed that way when heading into 'dodgy' territory

For those questioning the ICC prosecutor’s decision to apply for arrest warrants against both Hamas leaders & Netanyahu When judging whether someone has breached international human rights obligations The standard is NOT the other side The standard is the LAW

What a bunch of hypocrites. Both parties complicit in genocide, there is no backing out from this.

The hypocrisy of lamentable lammy is quite breathtaking

No respect for the man , does he think we have all forgotten their stance on Gaza

Kier said they had right to defend said it was acceptable to cut off water and energy. What a lemon

Labour have no shame and very short memories

As well as dozens of doctors nurses journalists humanitarian help.

1:57 SURPRISE, SURPRISE! When was the last time ANY Tory MPs especially Sunak, answered a question?

🎉South Africa 🎉

Not sure they’ve backtracked on the rule of law; they’re happy to break it in measured and specific ways.

Our so called MP'S seem to be more worried about events happening in the middle east than they do about UK citizens from the east midlands

They don’t mention The iCC warrant for Hamas Leader

UK lost sovereignty long ago on international issues. They must follow USA policies.

We don't disclose 'legal advice'.. Yes, please don't disclose the entire premise of government actions? That pesky transparency can get in the way of agendas. Do not look behind the curtain. The state of it will leave you puzzled for life.

Just imagine trying to justify what’s happening over there,keep an eye on that American port they’ve built..

Labour are complicit in the genocide. It was a bipatisen endeavour.

Lammy denied a genocide was happening and any attempt to call for a ceasefire. I see where politicsJoe is at now!

Thought them lot agreed Isreal had every right to do whatever they wanted?