I have been following Jordan for several years now and have to say that he still isn’t particularly right wing but I think his tolerance of the radical left is being eroded by their attacks on him.

@CANNIBoy

Жыл бұрын

Plus Twitter has _never_ brought the best out in anyone. It’s time Twitter went the way of Vine if you’re asking me, which I appreciate, you the reader, are not.

@miketomlin6040

Жыл бұрын

Jordan appears to be so dim he calls the Centre Right, USA Democrats, the ''radical left''!

@johnnysalter7072

Жыл бұрын

He is not quite as right wing as Poud Boys, Klansman but he caters to them.

@tobedownloaded6277

Жыл бұрын

Twitter has picked a side just like Facebook. They are mainstream now.

@johnnysalter7072

Жыл бұрын

@@tobedownloaded6277 Why are you people so whinny, thjey kick liberals off as well.

"He steered more and more to tickling the funny bone of the right" Let me stop you there - when one side lies and constantly attacks you without any justification or accountability and the other side wants to hear more from you, then how on earth do you see this as choosing one side over the other? Speaking of nuance and responsibility, this guy interviewed here seems to have missed the whole point of JPB.

@orsoncart802

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. 👍 BTW it’s JBP. Not JPB, who even more “ahhhsome”. 😁

@nellywolf8908

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, Joe. Can’t believe they let him talk about this topic. It’s clear he doesn’t know anything.

@misael8707

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, he was attacked for his synthesizing form by one side. Like this guy says its a war. When a neutral party is attacked it can't stay neutral forever and survive.

@ThePdeHav

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

@themountain3461

Жыл бұрын

Better yet - whoever boils everything in society down to two sides is wrong. That includes JBP if he ever does it

Anger is the appropriate response when boundaries are being broken. By and large, there is an appalling lack of healthy anger in our society. Beware of the moralistic, pseudospiritual idea that anger is always wrong or inappropriate.

@ahumandoing6813

Жыл бұрын

Just don't confuse hate with anger.

@myown2101

Жыл бұрын

@@ahumandoing6813 These days any definition could be change to fit the narrative)))

@paullambert8183

Жыл бұрын

And also, don’t confuse a joke with hate

@globalman

Жыл бұрын

@Hannu ...... I agree totally with you. People are either drugged pharmaceutically, asleep or indifferent so they don't feel the outrage when they perceive injustice. Suddenly this reminds me of the Film "Network" 1976. It was a great success. There was a line in the film which became a mantra for a time. I never forgot it. Sadly aside from a few of us everyone returned to the status quo. The line was "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more". It was a great scene. The more the character (Peter Finch) said the line on his tele show all over the city people began screaming out of their windows that same line. Alas, cinema did not become reality although it was even needed back then. We need a majority to wake up and join voices and intentions and of that I am unfortunately pessimistic.

@kahyui2486

Жыл бұрын

Anger is just a emotion that can be expressed in many ways. Jordan choses to express it through agresion, usually passively.

I have followed JP for 7 years now. He often says you need to be able harness the monster in difficult times. JP as a man who has studied totalitarianism has seen his predictions over the years manifesting in the world. Clearly he sees he has a responsibility to stand up.

@AnemosFPV

Жыл бұрын

Yes people are blind to what is happening to the west. It’s failings in front of us.

@Coastpsych_fi99

Жыл бұрын

He doesn’t have academic qualifications on totalitarianism.

@extremesplash81

Жыл бұрын

@@Coastpsych_fi99 So? Who does?

@aarondavis8943

Жыл бұрын

Platitudes. So you like him. We get it. The problem is, he has jettisoned what made him different and powerful, and has become like everyone else. Vitriolic, angry and egotistical. A true ideologue. He couldn't take it anymore and h embraced his emotions because he has a weak character.

@janglandis773

Жыл бұрын

Please provided examples of his predictions over the years manifesting in the world. When exactly were these predictions made--evidence please--and how exactly did they come true. So now he considers himself a prophet!? Next he'll be saying he's god. He is a narcissistic charlatan of the highest order. Wake up people. He once tried to buy a church in Canada so he could pontificate from the pulpit. The arrogance!

The wheels are falling off the fucking bus, can hardly blame Peterson for "getting angry".

@gedofgont1006

Жыл бұрын

At least it's an electric bus. 😎

@raspberrytreacle

Жыл бұрын

True

@anonnymous4684

Жыл бұрын

Peterson is on that bus too, though. He may be a 'distuptor', but he's still enjoying the ride. And his supporters are paying for it too. Nice grift if you can get it!

@siyaindagulag.

Жыл бұрын

He has one hellof a lug- wrench. His peers stand ready with lifting jack and repair kit Even a few comedians to pump the tires back up . ....so if the wheels be fallin off the fuckin bus, I'd want him on the pit- crew.

What I'm hearing here is two non-Canadians discussing why the rhetoric and content of a Canadian has changed so drastically in the last few years, all while they largely ignore the situation in Canada that might have caused this drastic shift. Look, I get it. Canada on the global stage is the political equivalent of the change you lose in your couch cushions and forget about, but come on. You can't talk about the Peterson changes without seriously understanding the changes in Canada- especially over the last two years. Canada is heading towards a bad place, and for a man like Peterson, who I believe truly loves his country, this is an absolutely unconscionable and unacceptable state of affairs. The lockdowns and mandates of the last two years - the actions of the Trudeau government, more broadly speaking - have forced a sort of tipping point in the minds of many socially and politically aware moderates - such as Peterson himself. If the compelled speech of progressivism in 2016's Bill C-16 was the social equivalent of water being slowly boiled to cook a frog, then the last two years in Canada have been the equivalent of tossing the proverbial frog straight into the deep fryer. I would love nothing more than for Peterson to go back to giving lectures on Jungian thought, but unfortunately, here in Canada, we have a severe lack of sizable, well-spoken voices willing, and able, to call attention to the malignant (or just plain incompetent) cancer that's been eating this country from the inside outside.

@dnormore1814

Жыл бұрын

Bravo!!!

@graytoby1

Жыл бұрын

Best reply here, nailed it

@fersuvious

Жыл бұрын

Well stated and wholeheartedly agree. Sadly Canada and it’s politics are mostly ignored, most of the time.

@robyn2628

Жыл бұрын

exactly. jordan knows whats at stake. the situation in canada calls for people of courage and conviction, not lukewarm limpdicks. and the problem is, there is an urgency, a sense that "if we dont right this now, it might be too late to do anything about it later". im grateful to jordan peterson for recognizing that and stepping up to the plate.

@richardabbot8724

Жыл бұрын

Good point. The situation in Canada must have a bearing on his situation.

Very much appreciate Fuller coming out with this, it can’t have been easy. He’s probably alienating himself from a fair portion of his audience shared with Jordan, as well as the audience on this channel. I’ve followed a very similar trajectory, being a huge proponent of Jordan’s for several years, still appreciating elements of his work (namely on Christianity, personality, mythology, meaning, Jung), but now noticing this shift which I find concerning and less aligned with me. I don’t have all the answers, but it’s refreshing to hear this, thank you David.

@spartanguitarist6579

Жыл бұрын

Same here, I used to look up to the man and learned quite a lot of from him; it was because of Peterson that I began reading and exploring mythology psychology and philosophy, i think that made me a better person. It really saddens me to see him like this, he is like a completely different person from before 2020

@rosem5041

Жыл бұрын

Yes that’s understandable. He seems to be having a mental breakdown and needs time out. Unfortunately being seen with Shapiro and not questioning Nitinyahu on the genocide of indigenous palestinians is unnerving, unsettling and accusations against all Muslims. He has come across as a compassionate person yet this is total opposite.

@gandydancer9710

Жыл бұрын

@eve: You know the wokester "regulators" are trying to cancel Peterson's ability to practice clinical psych in Canada for, among similar things, tweeting a criticism of Trudeau for siccing Child Protective Services (or whatever it's called in Canada) on truckers who brought their children to the demonstrations? Peterson says he's enraged at this attempt to cancel him professionally, and he ought to be. But this Fuller is a useless gutless puerile little soyboy whiner who isn't worth a damn in a fight, and I want to hear no more from him.

David Fuller needs to realize that the last 2 years have changed a lot of people including Jordan Peterson. No one is static, everyone changes. Yes Peterson is angry like a lot of Canadians and he is able to give a voice to all those who are angry with what is happening. To me it looks like that you are unable to accept that people change and you want them to stay static.

@Coastpsych_fi99

Жыл бұрын

But I’d helping or not.

@Linny95

Жыл бұрын

The argument is his actions have contradicted what he championed in the past, like seeing things from both sides, not using dehumanising language, etc So if the change is JP becoming a right wing culture warrior then fine, but be honest that’s what he has become

@G_Ozare

Жыл бұрын

🎯

If you watched what Trudeau and his cronies did to the truckers and their supporters, and you don't know where you stand, you may not be persuadable.

@oldben101

Жыл бұрын

And what exactly did the PM do to the truckers and their supporters? Are you talking about the vast majority of truckers who kept working and had nothing to do with the protests, or just the small but vocal minority that the majority of Canadians did not support?

@re.natured

Жыл бұрын

@@oldben101 - refused to meet with them or discuss the issues in any basic, level-headed, respectful way. - cowardly fled the scene, instantly - publicly name-called a large, diverse group of citizens with prejudice slurs, and orchestrated a major smear campaign. - Abused his power in an unprecedented way in Canadian history and dishonoued the basic rights of citizens to peaceful protest. The majority of Canadians were ill-informed on the true intentions and realities of the protests by a smear campaign largely fuelled by government and carried out by the msm.

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Жыл бұрын

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@lovesees4320

Жыл бұрын

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@Dianawales

Жыл бұрын

@@lovesees4320 Perhaps the owner of this channel used their free will to delete your comment. Imagine that.

To suggest that JP is being more radical because of the criticism he has received is to miss the truth. If you don’t understand what is at stake in Canada, you might think this way.

@markadams99

Жыл бұрын

Not only Canada.

@technopop90

Жыл бұрын

well said. I'm so pleased there are so many people like yourself on the comments section here, that don't agree with Fuller. I lost faith in Fuller over a year ago. Firstly with his views about Bret Weinstein, and his friendlyness to that paid shill ZDoggMD, who is far too polished, and too well presented to be anything but a paid pharma guy. And now this. He is trying to subvert what Peterson is telling us.

@zoomtulips6039

Жыл бұрын

@@technopop90 ……And sometimes people with intellectual prowess get trapped in their own mental constructs.

@biteme8905

Жыл бұрын

I watched this guy years ago make this same argument, he is only showcasing his weakness. Jordan is taking on child mutilators and totalitarians, I am failing to see the problem here

@Eric-tj3tg

Жыл бұрын

And generalized anxiety, for which JP took Clonazepam, is indicative of repressed/suppressed other emotions, such as anger and sadness. The Clonazepam created, for a time, a more peaceful JP. Coming off that drug is brutal, if it doesn't kill you, and, the feelings that were present but unconscious come roaring back. JP is a smart and insightful man, but one cannot think their way out of feelings, effectively. Feelings are in the body, and JP, like many intellectuals, adapted by living there. It is an adaptation made early. I don't know what he's now taking, but you can be assured that as he "angers", and manages to do so without saying/doing anything too harmful to himself or others, his anxiety will lessen, and his ability to manage (which in our crazy culture(s) looks like a poker face) his anger, which for me has always been "right there", will noticeably lessen. I agree that not mentioning this is unfair. In all honesty, if I hadn't the experience, and thus researched "getting off Clonazepam", and read the horrors, and learned of what it does to the GABA system, the long-term effects, I'd have thought it an "excuse." Another walk in another's shoes should be teaching this slow soul, that we just don't know what's happened to, what's happening with another without getting to know them, and perhaps finding the commonalities to enhance compassion and perhaps empathy. I've tired, for the most part, of how clever intellectuals wrestle over increasingly reductionistic concepts and theories.

You have articulated what I have been feeling for several months. It greatly saddens me, a hope that disappoints. I pray that he will refocused his attention and devote his energies to issues of eternal significance. The culture wars will not last. They do not have any foundation that will allow these issue’s permanence. I pray he will reconsider, focusing his efforts on what is eternal. When I was young everything appeared to matter. Now that my death draws closer all of my concerns focused on those issues has proven nothing but chasing the wind. Please, tell us what the world will need to know decades upon decade.

@ellantblideschaft3762

Жыл бұрын

Right on Sir. (Enjoy the Afterlife)

17:08 David hits the nail on the head here. JBP literally turned me from a woke, angry young woman who believed in the patriarchy to a reasonable, more centred person with empathy for conservatives. He did this through his debate on the gender pay gap. At first I was so offended by him, but he won me over with reason. He was calm, stoic, to the point. I couldn’t argue with him. He was right. I just had to accept it. Accepting that truth allowed me to accept a number of other uncomfortable truths about life and human nature. I wonder if the same would have happened if Jordan conducted himself the way he conducts himself now. The old me may have seen him in his suit, in a studio supplied by Daily Wire, getting angry and shaking his finger. I would have just switched off. You gain fans from one side when you act like a shock jock. You gain respect when you act stoically.

@nynoah

Жыл бұрын

He’s currently speaking out on brain scrambling children and marching them down the path of sterilization. I can’t believe we live in a time when people can’t see this obvious societal insanity.

@kiwigrunt330

Жыл бұрын

I largely agree with Jordan, but yes, he has turned into an angry old man. I wonder if his recent medical predicaments have had an influence on him, or if he is putting on a show. Or perhaps the money he is now raking in is too tempting. Don't know. This is probably the most composed I've seen him: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mn-JyMiBiLLIaLg.html

@horseman3222

Жыл бұрын

This is exacly how I feel about it. Lately he came out as really deranged. I understand his struggles etc. but as someone who preached personal responsibility, he let anger and bitterness get better of him. I also fear that his popularity has a bad influence on him.

@Col-T-Invest

Жыл бұрын

I get what you're saying and i'd like to see him doing a little more of those older style, more empathetic interviews to round things out, but at the same time he always was very strong about certain issues and that draws in a lot of people too.

@Biggiiful

Жыл бұрын

This is true, but also a bit of memory holing is going on here. He was plenty angry in some of his older videos. They were also accompanied by way more videos and interviews where he was calm and collected. But his anger showed at times, in certain areas. Never really out of place either. And while I understand why people are seeing him slightly differently now, I'd like to remind them that they are really only focusing on one tweet and one video. He had a conversation with Kyle Kulinski after that video, where he comes off way more calm and reasonable about that situation. And he's also not reacting to a 2017 and 2018 world anymore. A world where he was warning about authoritarianism and the left "going too far." Jordan is now reacting to 3 years of authoritarian overreach and the woke left gaining the most cultural power that they've ever had. He's seeing all of his warnings come to fruition. The man is allowed to raise his voice in one video. I think a lot of people are overreacting and forgetting a few of his older videos where he had plenty of strong stances and tempered anger displayed.

David Fuller has consistently ignored or had a blind eye to the real conflicts in the "culture war". I would be interested in what side he picks when the time comes. Freddie Sayers: Very good presence in the interview - much impressed and appreciative.

@gl2796

Жыл бұрын

Well said Chris!

@literatious308

Жыл бұрын

When Fuller viciously attacked Bret Weinstein roughly a year ago, his credibility evaporated. This is not what intellectual friends do. He's now repeating his holier than thou attitude toward Peterson. Sniffing his own farts comes to mind.

@Ralph_Baric_PhD_C2019

Жыл бұрын

dont forget the chyna, russia, Qatar interference via social media. lets not forget that organized money want you focused on something else as well.

@dannnnydannnn5201

Жыл бұрын

@@literatious308 how did he viciously attack Weinstein? His criticisms are valid in my opinion. Bret made some outrageous claims and made some incredibly arrogant statements that turned out to be false. He refuses to have anyone qualified to refute his claims from an opposing viewpoint on his podcast and he’s doing his audience a huge disservice in doing so.

@aristotleolympiada4540

Жыл бұрын

@@dannnnydannnn5201 Turned out to be false according to who? Proof is in the pudding, try these cheap meds and see what they do to you. Then formulate a POV.

I'm surprised by this. I think Jorden is currently far more practically oriented, rather than philosophical, and there's a good reason for that. It's what's required right now. Anger is a healthy response to boundaries being crossed. I'm grateful to him for speaking up so plainly as so few dare to.

@ThePdeHav

Жыл бұрын

Well said

@hittitecharioteer

Жыл бұрын

@@ThePdeHav 👏🏻✅

@maxtroy

Жыл бұрын

Yes. Rebel Wisdom are fence sitters Jordan Peterson is a man of principle willing to stand up for what he believes in

@MojoFilter

Жыл бұрын

My feeling too - J.P is alive and well and being very honest about himself and what is required right now. This David guy is a coward and wilfully blinded by his own intellect. He says a lot without saying anything meaningful. Rubin and J.P are very much a part of the conversation and recognise the need to be vocal and not a fence-sitting commentator. Glad Freddie pushed back a bit here.

@psychologyrelated538

Жыл бұрын

Well said

I'm a huge Jordan Peterson fan and his book and lectures really helped me get myself through some very tough times. I have noticed a change in him since he returned from his illness. He certainly seems very resentful at the moment. Perhaps he's just been pushed too far

@Biggiiful

Жыл бұрын

His return, also coincided with the world experimenting with authoritarianism and woke leftist ideology springing forth like never before. Its not like he's reacting to nothing

@kburns2470

Жыл бұрын

He's speaking to the horror many of us feel at what's happening to our country (Canada) and the rest of the world.

@graemejack9040

Жыл бұрын

@@kburns2470 yeah I totally agree with you and it's frightening what's happening in Canada. I'm Scottish and its horrifying what's happening in my country too. Our SNP government has introduced new guidelines in schools where children as young as 4 are asked to decide what they want their gender to be and are then free to use whichever toilets, changing facilities they choose etc regardless of how other children feel about it. The really sinister thing is that school teachers and staff are under no obligation to inform the child's parents about anything and in some cases reported they were actively encouraged to prevent parents from finding out! New legislation here also requires police, nurses, doctors and other medical staff to treat every person according to their chosen gender despite any dangers that may arise from doing so! The new hate speech legislation here is ambiguous at best. It doesn't clearly define what exactly constitutes as hate speech or who is responsible for making that definition and what guidelines they'd follow to do so. There are many examples where a person can simply decide if something said to them is hate speech or not!!! It's utterly horrifying! The Scottish government state that they are the most progressive in Europe? They, along with so so many more people ( mostly leftist, woke, young, activist types ) seem to be confused and think that change automatically equals progress! This is simply not always the case!

@kburns2470

Жыл бұрын

@@graemejack9040 yes, we are on a similar trajectory here in Canada with regards to gender ideology. I've been worried about and debating people about that since I think around 2016 or so, the concerns around that for women and children specifically, though it affects everyone. The totalitarianism was evident then, too, but it ramped up significantly with the response to Covid. We just want our normal lives back, our human rights back. No mandates, no coercion, no bullying, no censorship and silencing. Not all Canadians understand what's happening, obviously, but some do and the majority seem to understand something is amiss, though we still have a way to go in getting them to understand how serious it is.

@RaquelSantos-hj1mq

Жыл бұрын

His anger is righteous and entirely appropriate. He hasn't changed. The climate gas changed. He has not shifted. This David guy is clueless.

Honestly, I think his terrible health problems are the reason of this change. That level of illness and suffering can bring out a lot of anger. I think his rational calm and detached intellectual demeanor were easier to him to maintain as long as his _experience_ of suffering in his life was something manageable. He now has experienced a level of pain that he probably didn't even think was possible. He had certainly seen it in his clinical practice, but experiencing it first hand is another beast entirely. Him losing his coolness and now lashing out isn't surprising.

@willfareed3826

Жыл бұрын

good point.

@gandydancer9710

Жыл бұрын

I'm glad it woke him up if that's what did it.

@juliettailor1616

Жыл бұрын

I've never seen Jordan Peterson, before or after his illness and near death, loose his cool or lash out and he has been so disgustingly attacked by so many far, far beneath him intellectually that it really took superhuman control not to strike back. I do see less of a detached demeanor but I wouldn't be surprised if to learn that he suffered brain damage from the Clonezepan hell and near death he went through. The writer Robert Greene suffered a stroke and says he has trouble controlling his anger now.

@vincentvangogh8092

Жыл бұрын

no he just stepped out of his lane for dollars

@gat2asp919

11 ай бұрын

He was also on massive amounts of benzoz

I think David Fuller doesn’t like JBP joining The Daily Wire. Neither does he seem to be aware of how close we are to systemic disaster.

@cassandraotroy6325

Жыл бұрын

He'll find out soon enough, sadly

@richkamminga4283

Жыл бұрын

I get the impression hes just watching clips of JBP, not entire arguements or podcasts. He is correct that further right lines are mire common but the nuance is still there.

@lambsquartersfarm

Жыл бұрын

I don't think David Fuller likes David Fuller ... you can see it a few times in this interview, it's a bit of a bottom feeding role to spend time taking someone down behind their backs, and it's a bit sad that Unherd gave him the platform.

@luisjgt1

Жыл бұрын

Fuller is just griffting.

@ChiIIOutMan

Жыл бұрын

him joining daily wire, aka going commercial was the last step in ending my following, for all it matters

You have to understand that peterson understands the danger we are in.

@nicolejegathesan7056

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree with you here, Jan. He's an expert in the past evils of communism/ totalitarianism and he sees a mostly unsuspecting present world falling victim to these very same ideology disguised as woke ideals of tolerance and compassion.

@johnjacob5990

Жыл бұрын

Which is why he sucks up to Orban and Putin

@BraveNewWorldAH

Жыл бұрын

The danger of more far right mass shootings?

@horseman3222

Жыл бұрын

Maybe. But as someone who was preaching about responsiblity, importance of clarity in communication etc. we should hold him to a bit higher standards. In videos Fuller is talking about he was clearly unhinged.

@michaelrose2443

Жыл бұрын

yep. and it is clear that this guy does not.

This guy is part of the problem.... the time for being timid and polite is over. Kids are being mutilated and Mr. Fuller is concerned about having some empathy for the bastards doing the mutilating. As far as I'm concerned Peterson isn't nearly aggressive enough. If the mutilation of children based on ideology doesn't piss you off I don't know what it would take.

His anger against the tyranny in Canada is completely justified.

@gandydancer9710

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. I couldn't take very much of this whiny little soyboy Fuller. The pose of earnestly trying to convince the determinedly inconvincible enemy while getting kicked in the nuts doesn't have the virtues he imagines it has. Mainly it arouses contempt, and not just in who he imagines is an interlocutor.

@RaquelSantos-hj1mq

Жыл бұрын

@@gandydancer9710 Yup. I had that same comptemptuous feeling. It made me physically nauseous.

Jordan Peterson realized how deep the schisms of the culture war really are and feels the weight of his role

@GQ2593

Жыл бұрын

Bingo.

@freedomfreedom6544

Жыл бұрын

JP realized that he better stfu or his meds will make him crazy and his wife will get cancer.

@j94c

Жыл бұрын

and so decided to don a pinstripe suit and film an aggressive spiteful diatribe in a well lit studio... That'll really solve the culture war.

@hittitecharioteer

Жыл бұрын

Perfectly said 👏🏻

@lizmarsden4417

Жыл бұрын

@j49c. The charge of stoking up the culture wars and thus increasing polarisation is bizarre. The activist lobby has so far succeeded to the point of implementing their ideas. They have been ruthlessly successful in silencing their opponents up till now by labelling them as far right bigots. Now that camp is filling up with the likes of JK Rowling it's a less effective move. To accuse people who fight back of polarising the situation is like blaming anyone who opposes an invading army of aggression.

If someone with deep and nuanced ideas has concluded it's time to stand against something... it either means he's lost his center, OR the thing in question is bad enough that such a person sees it as reprehensible, OR a little bit of both. And that's food for thought.

@hallelujah88

Жыл бұрын

It means he knows who his paying subscribers are and who he needs to keep titillating. Yawn.

@pesmaxipes1271

Жыл бұрын

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Жыл бұрын

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@ThePdeHav

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

@martinzarathustra8604

Жыл бұрын

Or you are just captured by your side of the political divide and are totally blind to your own incompetence.

I've been a fan of Peterson since 2016 and am Canadian. While I feel he has become more strident - Is it Passion or Performance. As a frightened ageing Canadian, he is reflecting my fears, and the difficult of simply expressing an opinion, rightly or wrongly. He is amplifying the problem, possibly to shock Canadians out of our political complacency. It's a national malaise, decades long. I don't have to agree with everything Dr. Peterson says, but I support his right to have an opinion, however harshly stated. His call is to Wake UP!

@HelenA-fd8vl

Жыл бұрын

I wonder if his being on a 100% meat diet has had any effect on him. (Just to clarify, I eat meat regularly. Vegetarianism doesn’t appeal to me in any way.

@rugbyguy59

Жыл бұрын

Peterson is simply wrong and his misrepresentation of the real issues is simply disgusting. Those with power pretending they are the victims. From C-16 on he's been making claims about things he doesn't understand

@muskratdove

Жыл бұрын

@@rugbyguy59 lol, and you do?

@rugbyguy59

Жыл бұрын

@@muskratdove Understand all the things? No, but when you listen to.prople who.do understand Bill C-16, Marxism, Postmodernism, gender pay gap, lobsters, dominance heirarchy, etc, etc you just see how wrong he is. You don't have to fully understand a topic to see when someone else is obviously wrong.

@muskratdove

Жыл бұрын

@@rugbyguy59 It's funny, because I have been listening, but simply drew a different conclusion than you did. He is a lot more right than wrong. Please save your disgust for the ones who are actually manipulating you.

Jordan has said on a few occasions in the past, he asks his wife to keep an eye on him now and then to make sure he doesn't go too far. He openly admits he can do that, cant we all when pushed enough. Weather he has gone to far yet I'm not sure, but I do have reservations like David. In the last few weeks in particular, I have started to think he is beginning to get more pointed, bordering on aggressive with his language & demeanour. Most noticeable examples of that are his recent appearances in the Daily Wire, which he has now joined forces with. Personally I think that will end up being a mistake, I don't think he needed to do that, he was doing just fine using his finely tuned linguistic skills and academic background. I prefer the Jordan who holds a deep & meaningful conversation, whilst remaining composed and winning his position through dialogue, not drama. The Daily wire with it's Black & White background and camera angles to portray Jordan as man not to be messed with (bit like the men in black :) ), accompanied by synchronised short bursts of music as it zooms in, followed by Jordans short very to the point message about physicians butchering our kids in the name of compassion for those who feel born in the wrong body, is really not helpful at all, even if he has a point. Shock tactics can be very effective I know, but I just don't like that style of discourse. He doesn't need to do that. That said, I continue to follow him with admiration and never tire of his conversations, but silently hope he doesn't go down the Rabbit hole of toxic words designed to sow the seeds of division, to avoid that, he would do well to note how Jesus spoke, whose words and meanings behind them were clear, truth and wisdom without reverting to emotionally charged language and pointing fingers.

It's unfair to single out Malone and McCullough as people who need challenging. That assumes that Fauci and Birx and WHO and CDC/FDA/NIH were challenged, and that never happened. So what Rogan did was simply air the other side. It is on the majority to permit the debate, and they refused.

@ash9058

Жыл бұрын

Yes, that’s the alternative part of the alternative media…giving voice to the alternative views and narratives that the mainstream put out as unchallengeable fact.

@hansmeiser32

Жыл бұрын

I would have preferred alternative media to do what mainstream media didn't do: having a discussion. Instead they did the same just with the other side. I'm still very disappointed with e.g. Bret Weinstein that he e.g. didn't host a discussion between both sides on the Ivermectin issue. I very much distrust the mainstream media/narrative but because of this I distrust Bret Weinstein a little bit more than before Covid.

@andrewmclaren6974

Жыл бұрын

@@hansmeiser32 You (and this interviewee) seem to think that would have been an option (i will give you both the benefit of the doubt).. Part of corporate medias efforts are aimed at making sure there can be no debate. Any scientist / doctor etc willing to debate would quickly see the error in their ways or else become "much maligned", "controversial" etc (do you not see the language used by corporate media and their owners ? ). Wake up. You can see it in this interview alone though this gentleman is more careful with his words than many.

@tamashumi7961

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewmclaren6974 careful with words, exactly. Watching you can see how much he tried to (and did) avoid "deadnaming" Elliott Page, and without doing so one needs to go in clumsy circles to explain the context. Luckily the host was less hesitant and just said it.

@Economics21st

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. As far as I know, Malone and McCullough would be happy to be debated by people with opposing viewpoints, but none of them will. The fault is with (i) those people who refuse to debate, and (ii) those media who don't challenge the "official" point of view. Science is not a body of knowledge, but a process of weeding out wrong claims, and it can only happen when those claims are allowed to be challenged. I wasn't impressed at all by Fuller in this interview. I think the only valid point that he made was that alternative media need to be prepared to challenge their audiences' beliefs. What he forgot to mention is that traditional media need to do the same, and that part of the popularity of alternative media _is_ the challenge of considering alternative perspectives and assessing their strengths and weaknesses. Joe Rogan, in particular, thoroughly explores his guests' claims, and he does challenge them (for example, picking up McCullough on his claim that you can't get Covid twice). Jordan Peterson has pointed out that his approach is fundamentally truthful, and is what makes him so popular. By the way, did anyone else think that Fuller was going to say 'order' instead of 'view' just after 42:36?

im with jordan p. what happens these days when people just try to use common sense, you already come across as an angry far-right extremist. jp or anyone who was able to preserve their sanity will not “baby” bad ideas and absurdities. trying to understand trudeaunt and his madness is one of them

@sunnyla2835

Жыл бұрын

Agree wholeheartedly, and I’m not at all a Jordan Peterson fan, but readily acknowledge he’s speaking to a whole host of people who’ve been ignored!

@Geezerelli

Жыл бұрын

Trudeau? Far right? Or in league with China? More Communistic!

@renzomatunogz556

Жыл бұрын

@@Geezerelli he’s obv far-left - apple doesnt fall far fr the tree

@LivingSpiritDesign

Жыл бұрын

once people realise there's no arguing their absurd logic, they don't want to listen or debate in good honesty and faith then what? You have to take a stand. Not just sit back and "let's have a conversation" ....... but actually get radical and stop sitting on a fence. Don't bring feelings to a data fight kinda battle.

@Badtastemamma

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely with you... 👍👍

Jordan Peterson is a person of great intelligence, wisdom and common sense. He is, as am I, and many people, getting extremely angered by today's irrational , overbearing, and ideological world. This neither right or left wing, it is again, common sense.

@friarnewborg9213

Жыл бұрын

JDP has found the TRUTH and decided to embrace it

@Greg400

Жыл бұрын

Jordan Peterson is a lot of good things but he is not a champion of common sense.

@meownover1973

Жыл бұрын

He is not left wing, he's very clearly on the side of the right.

@friarnewborg9213

Жыл бұрын

@@meownover1973 NOPE. He is on the side of the Truth. Leftwingers believe in so many DELUSIONAL fantasies. Proof: they cannot even tell you what a Woman is.

@meownover1973

Жыл бұрын

@@friarnewborg9213 it's established by the American Psychological Association that transgenderism is a real thing and transwomen are categorically women.

JPM did not pick a side, he was always on the common sense side, and this is what people like about him, criticizing him about it is pure bad faith.

The pandemic and lockdown (along with his personal struggles ) clearly changed his game, and I don't think either of you acknowledge that in this conversation, he came out the other side of that with it seems an opinion that the authoritarian left (Trudeau for example in his own country of Canada) made incremental gains in terms of control/power/economy over personal liberty/freedom of speech during the pandemic and he's coming out swinging.....(if you watch his chats with Rex Murphy over the trucker protests you can see this clearly) feels like he thinks the danger is far more perilous for society/civilisation than he did 5 years ago, so it speaks to logic he's shedding some of the followers of his more esoteric/intellectual worldview....

@jdoe1744

Жыл бұрын

Love this!! 🙏 Thank you from Canada and this Jordan Peterson supporter, admirer and fan ❤

@excel04

Жыл бұрын

He's also seemingly supported people who are making a difference and actually taking action to resolve issues. Jordan's interview with Magatte Wade is worth a watch.

@careybuchanan

Жыл бұрын

very helpful comment for me to read - thanks

@thetrappedchatterbox7941

Жыл бұрын

@@careybuchanan Just wanted to say that that is actually just a nice comment to see someone leave. Have a good one 👏

@richardgoodley7845

Жыл бұрын

@@excel04 very much so!

How about this? -He did what he could to improve the world for as many people as possible. -He was attacked viciously for it. -He now sees that most people aren’t worth saving so he just addresses those who are. It’s a pretty typical life trajectory for smart, kind-hearted people who have self respect.

@Thomas...191

Жыл бұрын

"Saving" gives slightly cultist vibes. I like peterson more than I like a lot of his followers.

@gedofgont1006

Жыл бұрын

Very well said. There's only so much room in the lifeboat.

@joel6633

Жыл бұрын

@@gedofgont1006 indeed haha. indeed.

@TurdFerguson101

Жыл бұрын

@@gedofgont1006 That's what Noah was told, back in the day.🍁

@gedofgont1006

Жыл бұрын

@@TurdFerguson101 😂😂😂 Good one!

The best discussion I've heard in a while. Thank you so much both of you. It's strange these days how everyone, even David, seems to focus on singular and insular practices, like self development and meditation etc to cure the ills of the world. I would say that going back to the old values of humankind, such as face to face conversations, friendliness and the need to slow down a bit are far more important.

@schnapsix1836

Жыл бұрын

I don't see any contradiction here. Practices like meditation etc can be very helpful to slow down. Self-reflection is necessary to relate to others and to have meaningful conversations.

I've been dealing with a lot of the same concerns as David Fuller, but it was nice to see him use a platform to say them out loud. I for one, think David is not crazy at all for feeling this way. I have really greatly admired Peterson, and was sure I'd be one of those people who if I ever saw him would tell him all the ways he helped me get my life together and make him cry. But these days, he sometimes feels like he's edging closer to being just another Dave Ruben, or Stephen Crowder, or Ben Shapiro. I have nothing against those guys, but I didn't like JP for being them, I liked him for being Jordan Peterson, which entailed everything David Fuller described. Still have nothing but love for the guy, he's already done plenty that I'm thankful for, but I feel like his days of being a distinctly wholesome, restorative, and refreshing voice amidst the chaotic polarization of our culture has ended, at least for now.

@G_Ozare

Жыл бұрын

The time for holding hands and singing Kumbaya is over baby.

@alvareo92

Жыл бұрын

@@G_Ozare Because it's either holding hands or yelling at each other, right?

I don't know if a "side" was picked, but the situation is CLEARLY bad enough for Jordan to have decided to fight against what he believes to be a danger to our basic way of life. And we we will need him, cause the danger is real.

@nicolejegathesan7056

Жыл бұрын

With you right there, Kevin!

@Bgrosz1

Жыл бұрын

Peterson chose the side of reason. This makes him a major enemy of the Left.

@literatious308

Жыл бұрын

One cannot negotiate with totalitarianism.

@Badtastemamma

Жыл бұрын

Oh man.. So TRUE!!

@johnjacob5990

Жыл бұрын

Ellen Page is a total Chad compared to Incel Jordan Peterson.

The only thing that's changed is that Peterson has gotten more focused and determined to confront legitimate threats to Western civilization. He's also appalled by what's happened in Canada over the last year or so, being Canadian (like myself)

@charlo7518

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely!!

@sharonleis1365

Жыл бұрын

No more mister nice guy. As a cranky 70 year old Canadian that can not believe this great country has become so complacent and whimpy. I think a bit of agression against the ridiculous last two years is called for. Go get them JP. ❤️🇨🇦

@jameskfouri1896

Жыл бұрын

💯

@guillaumerusengo9371

Жыл бұрын

A threat that exists in reality in people's heads.

@j6077xxd

Жыл бұрын

It is appalling. Utterly.

Given what Jordan has endured I think it is extraordinary that he has held back for so long. Is it coincidental that the issues he addresses and the attacks he endures come from left oriented players? That coupled with his crystal clear view of the horrors of communist totalitarianism set him clearly against the woke and the far left but not necessarily on the right. I still see him as firmly on the side of common sense.

Gosh David, just fabulous work all these years. Stumbled on Rebel Wisdom back at the beginning and can remember being stunned by what I was hearing talked about.excitement , tingling back of neck, just jaw dropping stuff. Back then I would tell people about it just soooo excited to push your stuff out. I’m sure as I used the name “ Rebel Wisdom” intellectual dark Webb etc , that this was going nowhere. But anyhow for me this has been a fantastic journey of questioning an learning about so much. So thanks mate!

The problem with Fuller's position is that he is acting like the left of today are the left of years or decades ago. Peterson is reacting to the absolutely insane, vitriolic, deranged and oppressive state of today's left. So why would his discourse with and about them be the same as it was in more gentle times? Peterson's counterpoints to the left are a proportionate reaction to the great Orwellian danger they have become. Nice try Fuller but your attempt to cling to the centre, oblivious or not caring how far left the centre has moved doesn't wash. The value of being a centrist was in what values it represented at any given time, not the virtue of being a centrist for it's own, expedient sake.

@abbasalchemist

Жыл бұрын

Well said. It's like 2 train conductors and one of them is insisting on the tracks that lead off the cliff and the other is looking to make a hard redirection away from it. David sits in the middle listening patiently and weighing both arguments with equal weight.

@alansouthall8221

Жыл бұрын

Fuller may not deny any of that Peterson, though has become an utter basket case His mind is addled by all the drugs he was huffing, and he is one of the most mentally frail people on either side of the culture was His fans are more infatuated than one direction fans too

@lolcat5303

Жыл бұрын

This is common with these "both sides" types. They never consider the asymmetry you mention.

@ThePdeHav

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. David is woefully out of touch with the zeitgeist; intentionally?

@gedofgont1006

Жыл бұрын

I like what you said. The whole political landscape has been infiltrated and subverted, by radicals on all sides. Petersen's arguments may have political ramifications, but they aren't inherently political, in any Left versus Right framing. He's concerned with ethics and how a morally unimpeachable human being should act in this world.

Freddie Sayers is such a skilled interviewer! Really like how he challenges guests on the show.

@kathleens.laroche754

Жыл бұрын

And done in such a gentlemanly way, in which same way his guest responded. We could use a bit more of such civilized engagement on this the other side of the pond.

@IzabelParis

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking exactly that. Sophisticated, intelligent, civilized, skilled and charming.

@bobthecat-rh5dy

Жыл бұрын

True. Really great level headed character. But let’s not praise him too much, it may go to his head and then he becomes intellectually dead to me.

@brianmeen2158

Жыл бұрын

Freddie is a fantastic interviewer

@MsLickalot70

Жыл бұрын

This was very good. Agreed

JP is a sensitive, open person who was viciously attacked, ceaselessly and with no attempt to understand him. It's been hit piece after hit piece. His physical health has deteriorated, but I fear the toll on his psyche has been far worse. I don't blame him for being angry or taking a stand, although the truth is he didn't pick a "side" --he got boxed into a corner. I had hoped that he would retreat from the public eye, to heal and spend time with his family, but I understand why he feels he has been called to action; to fight for the good of mankind, and has put his own wellbeing aside to do just that. I agree with Fuller in a way, I too prefer the professor to the madman, but Fuller would have to agree, the Left has gone preposterously too far in the past two years and we need JP's voice to help rescue us from ourselves.

@aranisles8292

Жыл бұрын

Excellent comment. Thanks.

I used to quite like David Fuller and enjoyed listening to his podcasts........up until his hit job on his 'so called' friends Brett and Heather of Darkhorse podcasts.......well worth a listen by the way. His criticisms of them were unwarranted and from that point on I believed that he had another agenda apart from 'truth seeking' as he calls it.

@RaquelSantos-hj1mq

Жыл бұрын

Agreed!

As someone that is not into Jordan Peterson, he doesn’t owe you anything mate. If you think there is something to mythologize you go and do it. What do you expect him to do it for you?

@MaterialSquid

Жыл бұрын

totally agree Rez, the rebel Wisdom youtube channel rose on the coat tails of Jordan Peterson success ( that glitch in the matrix video is a good one though), and theres alot of good and interesting content on RW channel, but now that RW is shutting shop and David Fuller moving on, this reeks of attention seeking.

@jaymarshall845

Жыл бұрын

Well said

@freedomfreedom6544

Жыл бұрын

As a JP fan I expected him to follow his own advice and not resort to drugs when things get tough. I’m sure JP wouldn’t consider the “meds” he got prescribed drugs but I do. Ironically he never said anything against the cannabis conspiracy that most of our intellectuals championed.

@j94c

Жыл бұрын

Who said he owes anyone? What an unhelpful comment, and very symbolic of the breakdown of nuanced discussion which David was touching on in this interview.

@NuvoVision

Жыл бұрын

@@freedomfreedom6544 I kinda feel you on this one...but Remember why he was in that situation...his wife and daughters health prognosis were very, very ominous...and rather than sink into drinking, etc...he asked for professional help (don't get me started on how little I think of psychiatry and medications....). He then got addicted (as you do) and got himself off of everything. ...he was not abusing them for escape- keep in mind, just relief. He's human. He did the best he could given the obstacles. I bet you he learned his lesson tho!

What happened to Jordan Peterson? Nothing happened to him and his core tenets. What happened is: the world of clashing ideas (and ideologies) reconfigured itself around him. Edit: no David. He didn’t pick a side. The side picked him (all I’m doing is restating the above, using the terms you chose, DF)

@maytheforcebewithyou2701

Жыл бұрын

By picking a side, he lost his. His side was not one of the "sides".

@wayneveitch8325

Жыл бұрын

Elliot Page? I see you picked a side!!!

@user-hn9qw7ou8d

Жыл бұрын

This is the correct take

@nathanaelsmith3553

Жыл бұрын

His handlers keep him drugged like Marilyn Monroe then wheel him out whenever there's an opportunity to make money. It's all become an act - the book deals, the stadium tours, he's a show pony turning tricks. He's terrified of becoming an irrelevant old man so he always has to up the shock value to stay noticed.

Summary: Guest: I don't like the podcasters. Freddy: How come? Guest: They only give one side of the debate. Freddy: The MSM does that too. Guest: That's true. Guest: Anyway, I don't like the podcasters. Freddy: Why's that? Guest: They only cover one side of the debate. Freddy: Doesn't the MSM do that too? Guest: Yes. Guest: I dislike the podcasters.

@quininde

Жыл бұрын

completely inaccurate summary.

The more you listen to Fuller the more you realise he's actually saying a whole load of nothing, the guy talks in circles and sits on the fence. Atleast we know JP position on a number of topics and these positions aren't taken without a great deal of thought. Hence, they should be seriously discussed.

Jordan Peterson is a person suffering with depression, despite that he didn't back down when woke mobs came for him at his workplace, pulling fire alarms, screaming and playing white noise when he tried to do any talks to clear his name when they were dragging him through the mud, the cathy newman or GQ interviews where the hosts are clearly going after him on purpose and yet he black belted them like a zen master. He always said how stressful he found those interviews, and yet he persisted. People were wishing him death when he nearly died from his benzo addiction. I mean...why not join daily wire, where at least he has a whole crew to support him and back him up instead of just him dealing with it alone? I truly believe his near death experience flipped a switch made him take a more aggressive approach. Have you seen the state of canada and the US under progressive leadership? The stuff that he warned about in 2015/16 has come to take place, so the man has to up his game. David fuller can go whistle.

@thegeneralist7527

Жыл бұрын

Once you cheat death once nothing frightens you any longer.

@pulmo1

Жыл бұрын

David is a weak beta male of little consequence in our ongoing culture war.

@ThePdeHav

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely agree

@ladyj3173

Жыл бұрын

I agree with a lot of this analysis but he was way more popular and effective before. Now he’s just preaching to the choir

@YeS1711

Жыл бұрын

@@ladyj3173 I see what you mean, but isn't that always the trajectory? It's like with bands when they're fresh faced and up and coming there's something special about them, by the time of the 5th album critics say "oh they've become trapped in their image". Feels to me that's what Fuller is essentially saying. He wanted jordan peterson to be David Bowie instead of being Led Zeppelin (maybe my analogy is terrible but I hope you know what I'm trying to say).

It's actually rather pathetic when you acknowledge that Rebel Wisdom came to life off of Jordan Peterson's name and now all of a sudden David Fuller feels the need to distance himself. On top of that Jordan Peterson hasn't even changed his fundamental message on anything during this time.

@what.if.youre.wrong...

Жыл бұрын

Boom, right there, hence why I stopped watching Rebel Wisdom

@johnbuckner2828

Жыл бұрын

I hear what you’re saying but I kind of disagree; if David really feels JP is being pulled into an echo chamber by audience capture, it would be pretty disingenuous & grifty to continue riding the JP phenomenon for views or money… if David’s goal is peace and synthesis rather than picking a side & fighting with a team in the culture war.

@nathanliteroy9835

Жыл бұрын

But he did change, and he did change his expressed views

@Oo27254

Жыл бұрын

@@nathanliteroy9835 If his views have changed then give some actual examples.

@nathanliteroy9835

Жыл бұрын

@@Oo27254 The tweet about Elliot Page? He was ok with being transexual before.

I am so thankful for this interview. I have been feeling uncomfortable with the changes in Jordan Peterson. This explains it so well and also spells out clearly his valuable contributions.

@Uriel-Septim.

Жыл бұрын

Same here, as his sickness have made a changes (no wonder) but after joining Daily Wire he have become something els, a different animal, I´m just glad that I try to stay away from idolizing people and follow them and instead try to listen to ideas. Follow Ideas Not Men: ★ If a person had done an extra ordinary achievement and helped most of the people , we come to a conclusion that he is good and we can follow whatever he says. ★ This is the Cognitive bias - a systematic error in thinking. ★ We think that a sample taken from a enormous quantity is same as that of others surrounding that sample. ★ This is the problem of sampling. eg : a kind of thought that a sample of rice taken from a rice bag is same as that of the other rice samples present in that same bag. But the truth is that all the rice samples in the bag may not same. ★ When we realize that the person whom we followed had done a bad thing ; we would get struck into the halo effect. ★ Halo effect is the tendency to judge a person based on a previously formed favorable or unfavorable impression. ★ At this point we would come to a cognitive bias that whatever good things he had contributed to the society is meaningless and his achievements are meaningless. ★ The identity of that person makes us blind from observing his good thoughts and ideas. Here that person is not the loser but we are the losers. ★ The solution is Don’t Worship Men if you like their ideas . Think about their Ideas and fit those ideas into your life if those ideas made sense to you.

@schrodingerscat1863

8 ай бұрын

You are becoming the kind of person that Peterson warned about, unable to see someone as multifaceted and nuanced. Peterson has always been the same person, he just expresses more of his own personality these days. You were ok listening to him while he was essentially lecturing saying things you agreed with but now he's often commenting on more contentious topics you are not 'comfortable' with it.

Shouldn’t the question be what happened to David Fuller and Rebel Wisdom?

Jordan Peterson apart from being a brilliant mind, has courage. The quality that has become rare nowadays. It’s necessary when you align your actions with your values.

@ThePdeHav

Жыл бұрын

Yes, he shows up the David Fullers’ of this world to be nothing more than milquetoast fence sitters with an unctuous line in handwringing.

@simonbrownbridge9919

Жыл бұрын

It seems the rebel wisdom guy has now become mainstream wisdom. I seem to remember one of his shows supporting covid jabs all round...Not a lot of wisdom in following propaganda but that's his right. Covid and the collapse of social and economic values have driven many to choose a side and hopefully the more truthful side. I think that's JP 's and Russel Brands stance now.

@claremilei173

Жыл бұрын

@@simonbrownbridge9919 absolutely as soon as this Fuller chap promoted the covid jab I stopped listening to his Rebel Wisdom. I wonder if he'll ever admit he was wrong!

@lovesees4320

Жыл бұрын

JP is Brave But he is not a brilliant mind... He's a good university lecturer, whether you agree with his stance or not. He is academically & intellectually bright But Brilliant...?!? He is a Brilliant Speaker But his actual ideas are more dressing than content & we have no evidence for how positive the outcomes are. Much like the Jab.🤭 But yes he is Standing Up against the CULTural conditioning of this crazy moment But only in favour of the CULTural conditioning of the past. The very same BS that got Us Here in the First Place.... Western Capitalist Democracy has failed We need somit new that Serves the People & the Planet 🌎❤️ In my Humble🕊️

@tubedore

Жыл бұрын

@@lovesees4320 “Western Capitalist Democracy has failed” in your opinion. I am from the former USSR and I know the depth of socialism failure. Nobody is trying to get immigrated to Russia still and somehow there’s a long line of people coming here. They vote with their feet. I agree with you on jabs. “ but only in favor of the cultural conditioning of the past.” Culture is a compounded pattern of survival of people for thousands of years. Has to always be renewed and saved from corruption. Very C. G. Jungian idea too. JP is proponent of renewal also. “ We need something new that serves the people & the planet.” What is something new, I wonder? Does it have to come from someone like WEF? To make me fulfilled? Who is the agency? People or some smart, benevolent caring government, which I don’t believe exist.? You have to watch out for anybody in power- remember, power corrupts…. Especially, socialists and communists love authoritarian style (from my experience). IMHO.

Say what you will about him, he is a Canadian, and at this moment in time we need a voice like his, with the breadth of audience that he has. If you have been following Canadian politics and media, we are essentially a totalitarian state right now and they are right about to clamp down on what we are able to view or hear from media, yep, straight up North Korea style. Jordan is fighting, we need more fighters, because apparently a good percentage of our population are hypnotized by the Great Leader Justin. So please consider that when you knock him down in this time of an entire country losing it's freedoms.

@janetstead7032

Жыл бұрын

Beautifully put, thanks.

@lambsquartersfarm

Жыл бұрын

I also wanted to add as I watch this video more and listen to David ... I think there are also multiple versions of David, and he has shifted as well, it became very apparent in the videos over the past 6 months... his new heterodox is criticizing the dissidents which makes me wonder...

@jdoe1744

Жыл бұрын

As a Canadian, I thank you for this comment and standing up for our incredible Jordan Peterson 🙏

@fiveleavesleft6521

Жыл бұрын

Can you expand on what's happening in Canada or suggest links please? Genuinely interested.

@Linda-gj6kb

Жыл бұрын

Jordan Petersen is an oddball and kind of a egomaniac- BUT- I agree with much of what he has to say and we need more like him with the courage to speak up against the mob.

Now I want to see Freddie interview Jordan Peterson, with the title: What happened to David Fuller?

I was a huge fan of Jordan Peterson up until 3 months ago - the moment he went after Eliot Page he lost me, because he went from attacking ideology to attacking individuals. That is so intellectually debased and dangerous I cannot continue to defend him. Then he joined the Daily Wire - a clear indication he has chosen a side - which is really joining the enemy of rational thought.

@joncrane7661

Жыл бұрын

Learn to speak mandarin. You're going to need it.

@horseman3222

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Peterson was preaching about clarity in communication and responsibility. He had texts on how important is to read, write, formulate your thoughts. Yet it looks like he got addicted to twitter with limit of 280 characters. The fact that he got so angry over this ban is grotesque. He came out as a silly, entitled narcissist. I thought higher of him. I was wrong.

@aranisles8292

Жыл бұрын

Elliot Page is not just an 'individual'. /She's/ an activist, an outspoken public figure with an agenda, a dangerous one in his view. Peterson would not touch her if she were a private person. He also has trans supporters who do not agree with the ideology.

@anonnymous4684

Жыл бұрын

He was only ever an 'intellectual', rather than an intellectual. But his largely uneducated acolytes were unable to tell the difference.

@angelozachos8777

Жыл бұрын

E. Page is not JUST an individual , but a high-profile celebrity with money and a wiling member of a political movement which seems delighted to attack and topple the traditional foundations which many of our ancestors helped build and still work 🤷‍♂️ I am an individual … you are too . Eliot Page is a high-profile appendage of a particular movement . WAKE UP ! 😡

Peterson put his foot down on the trans issue. He clearly states that gender exists on a spectrum, but it is irrational to be offended by someone who will only refer to you as your biological sex, because men are men, and women are women. We shouldn't be pretending that someone's FANTASY IS REALITY

@ShamanWS6

Жыл бұрын

I feel even stronger about "furries." I refuse to be drawn into their weird fantasy. Sorry, not sorry.

@josharmstrong2476

Жыл бұрын

Yes, but then he expects people to grant respect to people's religious fantasies. Blatant double standard. And that's the problem. Peterson is simultaneously inconsistent on how we treat cherished belief AND he's aggressive about it. You guys are letting your biases get in the way same as Peterson. I deplore all irrational belief systems equally, and I understand their necessity equally. Why can't Dr.Peterson do the same?

@Musicdudeyoutub

Жыл бұрын

@@josharmstrong2476 He doesn't expect anything from anyone. It sounds like you are upset with Peterson's work because his thoughts about religion differ from yours.

Peterson grew balls. Maybe this isn't about politics, but about right and wrong. I'm proud of him for feeling confident enough to stand for what he believes in. This guy talking in this video sounds like his feelings are hurt. Leftist

@robertdrew6571

Жыл бұрын

The whole conversation is about this man's feelings... "I feel that...", "It seems that..."... Pathetic. The only genuine concern is his support is being astroturfed with crazy on social engineering sites. Still, a straw man.

@MrWallinor

Жыл бұрын

I have been around since day one when rebel wisdom started (dont like using the word wisdom when what he is doing is the opposit of the true meaning the word wisdom) And yes he is a massive woke leftist. He is a globalist and love multicultural societys. His channel is packed with "those we can not name" pushing their agenda 2030, NWO etc in a plethora of ways. He is a total nobody compared to Jordan Peterson. Tbh this David Fuller is sooo fu.. arrogant, and it makes me furious. He is the true narcissist personified. The only reason i stay on that channel ond many other channels like his is to gather info and se how they work. Observating, listen and reading up on and about his guest etc.

@celiacresswell6909

Жыл бұрын

I don’t think growing balls in the middle of a gender dysphoria debate is very helpful.😐

@hope1416

Жыл бұрын

LOL

@MrWallinor

Жыл бұрын

@@celiacresswell6909 Was it a debate about gender dysphoria? Has the phenomenon of gender dysphoria always been as evident as it is these days. Or is there something in society that has in some progressive way caused this insanity to increase? Maby im missing your joke here..

Great conversation. Long time listener to both of you. Who have made a tremendous contribution in promoting a diversity of opinion as to what ails society currently. Keep up being unherded as in non-corralled in terms of whom you choose to interview. For as Geert Vander Boschhe wisely pointed out years ahead of everyone else. It’s our herd mentality ironically that will prevent us from achieving herd immunity. I trust we will get our act together one day. And celebrate our individuality when it comes to embodying the ideas we are here to manifest separately as we try to build a coherent strategy for dealing not only with Covid but also all the other challenges. Real or imagined. Threatening the survival of humanity. For us to proceed proactively. Rather than reactively. Which by itself would be a huge step from where we are currently. Edit: And what I would first propose that we do. In terms of rebuilding a sense of community. Is that we get off our computers and our smart phones which ironically are making us dumber by making us think binary. Rather than collectively. Preventing us from reasoning our way forward through analogy. For it is the most important things that can never be said directly. We need to redevelop our innate capacity to listen attentively. Without being distracted visually. Which is what I did yesterday. When I felt it was time to hear with an open mind what Mr. Fuller had to say. For I am always wary when the person who is being talked about is not part of the conversation and is being assessed critically. For that is kind of like gossiping albeit openly. But still their character is being disparaged by somebody else who may not know the full extent of that person’s biography. For who would want that done to them for simply sharing their ideas openly. Albeit a bit judgmentally. Which Mr. Fuller rightfully pointed out someone trained in psychology. Should know better by now. This is our defining moment in world history. And the question is: are we ready. For ready or not it’s what we have been secretly and steadily manifesting for the enjoyment of everybody. It’s just too bad we never thought to consult each other as to whether this too would render each other happy. Or just create total chaos and a massive headache for everybody. Except for the plants and other animals which may actually breathe a sigh of relief that finally we got our comeuppance for acting so brazenly as well as arrogantly. Thinking individually that we were the only ones that mattered universally. That we would never be held accountable to anyone else in our community. When truth be told we were always under constant surveillance by someone else higher up in the sociopolitical hierarchy. We were all very optimistic that we could cause an economic meltdown so long as we focused just on what would made us happy. Which is why we are manifesting it currently. Perhaps next time we will not be in a hurry to all be gripped by the fear of missing out in a strange herd mentality. Time to live minimally. Think proactively. Reasonably. Thoughtfully. While reflecting on where we are currently and how we managed to get ourselves into this seeming intractable phenomenon simultaneously. Headfirst into a world of growing and unrelenting uncertainty. Marked by euphoric and then woeful volatility. This is our break away moment. To stop trying to please and impress the wrong people. Namely the big wigs and fat cats who have collectively run our economy and our livelihoods into the ground. It’s time to embrace our Jungian call to embrace our individuality and take personal responsibility. For our own health and evolution of our life story. No longer exporting responsibility. To someone higher in the alleged meritocracy. Which has totally bankrupted our society. Time to peacefully make our way towards the door when opportunity knocks. Knowing what we want and need to feel fulfilled and satisfied. Rather then always racing to get ahead of the next guy. Time to get off the hedonic treadmill that is getting us nowhere. And come back down to Earth in our expectations. And be happier for it. In a more stable and hence sustainable way. We can no longer view ourselves or anyone else instrumentally. But instead focus on how we may add to the coherency of our locality. And in so doing. Our overall society. And get paid accordingly. With everyone guaranteed a certain minimum out of recognition of their sheet humanity. For toddlers and the frail and elderly too need to be fairly treated as we were all childlike once. And in need of patient care. Plus the elderly have a pov that they earned the hard way. That can only help us achieve more coherency. And with it moral integrity as well as a better understanding of our innate humanity. “In recognizing the dignity of our fellow beings, we pay ourselves the ultimate tribute.” - Thurgood Marshall British or American we are all in this together. Again think globally. Act locally. According to the practical principles of subsidiarity. For morality means nothing if it is not practical. We can also use John Rawls’ Veil of Ignorance when determining what would be fair for everyone in a future society. And then act accordingly. Letting that be our lasting legacy. Let this be the Byron Bay Communiqué. For those who have any interest in my own life story. For it is all about us achieving our sovereignty. As well as our individuality. As we grow into our maturity. By treating each other more tenderly. And kindly. Without being pushed around by anyone. By simply walking away. So that we may live to see another day. For that is the karmic way. The Great Reset is one of our entire wasteful mentality. So it can only be in our favor to start redressing it now. So we will have a tomorrow. And the next day after that continually. For ourselves and our progeny. As far as the eye can see. Survival has to be the new dominant strategy for all of human society.

This needed to be said. I feel the same. Thank you.

Freddie nails it; (paraphrasing) why bring a mainstream narrative (which we all know) into alternative media? In essence it exists to challenge.

@GGTutor1

Жыл бұрын

Not only that, but the mainstream has done this for decades. Put two opposing views on that seem to represent both sides for the viewer to make an informed decision. This is, of course, not what happens nor is it their real intent. They just want to frame the debate and will not allow views that they want promoted to actually be challenged. Any genuine challenge to the orthodox view will never be shown, this is the very reason that alternative media arose. I would far rather have a single view be fully developed and argued and then I can find the opposing view myself. The responsibility of a citizen is to make their own informed decision and to seek out diverse views and sources of information to do that. Fuller is not advocating that, he wants to frame the debate, just as the MSM that he came from does.

@dancroitoru364

Жыл бұрын

Only that Freddie has his biases as clear as his white shirt: pro Ukr Nazis, pro "intersectional" harmony (radical fems and radical trans should live together in harmony making films for the Reich's culture ministry), anti Russian, etc. The rest is all buffoonery (hands waiving like "look at me how stiff I am") and fashion show

@grannyannie2948

Жыл бұрын

Yes it is extremely patronising to think we are incapable of finding alternative views for ourselves. The mainstream shows us what they want us to believe. Alternative views are exactly that.

@ash9058

Жыл бұрын

It’s the alternative part of ‘alternative media’ that gives you the opportunity to hear the views and arguments being put forward which oppose the narrative being fed to you by the likes of CNN, MSNBC, BBC or here in Australia the ABC.

@philsandele

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Nevertheless, it would be interesting to hear both views at the same time. The exchange, the conflict even, of ideas is what is so interesting. Maybe that is what Fuller is alluding to. This requires a format where there is enough time for the arguments and counter arguments of both side to be developed. Because of the time limits in MSM, you never get such in depth, prolonged exchanges. But neither will you get this in alternative media, when only one view point is presented at a time.

JP has empathy for people who go through gender dysphoria. Watch his videos on these topics. His particularly concerned about children who are still in the midst of development. Gender identity clinics for children in Sweden and the UK are in the process of being closed down. I am a developmental psychologist. I have the same concerns.

@richkamminga4283

Жыл бұрын

Obviously the point here isnt to take an objective look at the whole of JPs words, theyre taking the worst clips and assuming the worst meaning.

@thegeneralist7527

Жыл бұрын

Children must explore the world through imagination in order to understand it. The last thing they need are bad examples and one-way decisions early in life.

i am a jung mother and i am trained in postmodernism, gender theory & cultural science ... and i can say: not a lot of people have the intellectual framework to understand what is happening right now, and how these thought structures are been used against humanity.. as methodology it is quite useful, to work with postmodernism, social constructivism like gender. but as an ideology it is one of the most dangerous weapons ever exists... i am very very concerned about the psyche of children, my little children, and young adults growing up in this "solipsism" structure and how these psyche are been exploited by big pharma and the globalist!!! he is one of the one and only intellectuals who really understands the human psyche nature in depth like no one i ever met before! what i learned is that there are fucking times where we HAVE to access the "monster" inside of us (Peterson quote), because if not, we are gonna wake up in totalitarism, like what is happening right now. the agendas which are been pushed since 2 years are designed to weakening the human psyche on All levels, create attachments and trauma. that's how you manipulate and control the masses. and i love to see him like a real true human being accessing his natural aggressive traits and use them consciously and strategically....

@dollydimple6126

Жыл бұрын

Brilliantly said! You nailed it 👏👏👏

This was a great interview. I think there is merit to the point that Jordan has taken a side in the culture war. I felt that the minute he joined the media outlet he is currently with...the Daily Wire. What I’m hoping, but now remain cautious, is that Peterson will continue to pursue truth, ‘truthfully’ and not just view all info. from his side of the culture war. That’s what was so great about listening to him.....he could sift through all info. not just the bits that he thought were correct, or that piss him off....whenever he felt taken off kilter, he would pursue that....that’s what was great.

@gabrielcio8903

Жыл бұрын

good luck pursuing the truth with cnn...fox...msnbc... I truly believe JP will pursuit the truth! There are no reason to believe he will not!

@saintejeannedarc9460

Жыл бұрын

Even though I'm definitely considered on the right and worry about the relentless power of the far left, JP still had a wider audience by appearing more neutral on his own channel. It's disappointing seeing him to go to the Daily Wire because many just will never hear him from there. He's keeping his own channel though.

I've enjoyed reading comments much more than watching this video, and found them more profound than Fuller's opinions too. I've only learnt about Jordan Peterson last month (yep, I've been living under the rock lol) so I'm not his core audience or anything but Jordan seems to talk a lot of sense. It's understandable why his tone has changed in the last 5 years - the world has changed! The world in 2017 and the world now are two different planets. Thanks to all of you guys for your insightful comments! 👍

@gedofgont1006

Жыл бұрын

Just out of curiosity, can you see mine, where I refer to this being war? I've had not a single thumbs up, you see; and I know many who've commented here would agree with my bleak assessment. Thanks.

@elllllllll

Жыл бұрын

@@gedofgont1006 I'm afraid I didn't see your comment, sometimes it takes time for a comment to be shown to more people. Hope this helps!

@gedofgont1006

Жыл бұрын

@@elllllllll It does. Thanks very much!

@andisalt321

Жыл бұрын

Not wanting to watch videos on KZread all day long but still interested in the topics, I often read comments before watching videos and sometimes I decide the video isn't worth my time! I'm with Jordan Peterson and so didn't bother watching this one. I've heard enough BS in the last 2 years, not to want to hear any more.

@gillps5130

Жыл бұрын

@@gedofgont1006 It is acknowledged by many as a war: culture war (against family, nation, church, individual) on a deeper level it is seen as a spiritual war or attack. If you know anything about the World Economic Forum, its young global leadership programne - Justin Trudeau being a graduate - and the UN, you will know that there is a war already in progress against the private ownership of land and property and agricultural production.

What happened to him? He's acting on his mandate which is taking responsibility. Jordan realises the war at hand and he's picked his weapon of choice: common sense.

@hughmann9097

Жыл бұрын

I agree with David - Jordan has lost his mind. He attracted many people because of his ability to synthesize complex topics. Now he's just a typical angry right winger stereo type. Sad.

@rodpanhard

Жыл бұрын

@@hughmann9097 Everyone should be angry nowadays given everything they are being put through. People always bang on about the dangers of the "extreme right" and they are continually put up as a boogeyman but in reality there are hardly any of them and they hold no positions of power. The extreme left on the other hand have infiltrated everything and hold power in places of education, religion, politics, both corporate and social media and they get to frame the narrative and set the agenda. The rights problem is they are not angry enough about what's happening to erode decent society, something they want to conserve.

@gedofgont1006

Жыл бұрын

You said it right: war. Not a culture war, just war.

@fs960

Жыл бұрын

@@hughmann9097 Yes and the Left are so calm, reasonable, decent, deep-thinking, measured and nuanced.

@ThePdeHav

Жыл бұрын

Yes. This is exactly the situation

I would really like to see Jordan in the studio with you guys!

You are the best interwier currently in ALL media. Tanks. Great subjects, great guests, really well calibrated.

There comes a time when gentle negotiation or discussion ends. We are very near to that time. David Fuller would be the first of the people loaded on to the Cattle Carts, whimpering. Jordan understands how close we are to complete collapse as do I. The time for discussion is sadly ending.

@TheYknuf

Жыл бұрын

I share the same feeling. I hope we are wrong.

@stellabryan3734

Жыл бұрын

I completely agree with you. If a person is in hysterics, there is no point just whispering to them. You have to slap them around the face so they snap out of it. That is the place we are now in with this very Orwellian agenda.

@biteme8905

Жыл бұрын

Jordan is forcefully speaking up about child mutilation and the rise of the authoritarian left, especially in Canada. I am failing to see where the problem is

@gillps5130

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely agree.

@agatanakonieczny2213

Жыл бұрын

Peterson knows more about brutal history of communism/totalitarism and he is aware of its "beginnings". Moreover, if you do not express anger when you are angry, you usually become depressed. I always thought that he needs to get FINALLY angry (to show it) to stop being depressed. I think for him now it is better to be angry and active than depressed and weak. At the same time, I watch him less. I enjoyed his analysis more.

From my point of view, Dr. JP has calibrated his attitude according to the evolution of the power grabbing around the world, especially in Canada, according to the confirmation that he recieved from the public and so many other things that changed. We need people to be different, to act differently. One Russel Brand is enough. We also need a Dr. JP. I appreciate the balanced attitude of the host. In return, the guest is definitely tilted towards the approved authorities and towards the approved/ official narative and plan.

@nicolejegathesan7056

Жыл бұрын

Well said! Especially that observation of our cowardly guest's inclination

@gillps5130

Жыл бұрын

A great comment

@saintdominicreview

Жыл бұрын

@@nicolejegathesan7056 Yeah, just the guest's shirt tells me all I need to know about him, Another weak man, in love with the sound of his own voice...

I used to love listening to Jordan Peterson, while I do admit that I have been creeping further left since then I do feel that he is beginning to creep too far right. I think this interview has really called it in regards to the culture war and the state of Western society. Our biggest problem is not even being able to understand why someone with a different opinion is even capable of diverging from our own. I myself do admit being guilty of this and I think they are right in saying that we should really try to humble ourselves and avoid a righteous outlook on reality.

OH my word, THANK YOU for this conversation. You have put into words what I have been thinking for a good while - but it was in little patches that has been to fragmented to speak with people about. I felt so alone with my views. I am so happy to have found like minded thinkers well connected with words - now I can show this to my friends

At this point, how would anyone appeal to “both sides” as you say? Peterson’s message hasn’t changed nor would I expect it to change. If Jordan is anything he seems to be an honest person who says what he believes. Jordan doesn’t appeal to conservatives. Conservatives are drawn to him because he believes in freedom despite the risk of being offensive. And for the same reason the Left have always hated him. Jordan has the courage to speak his mind, and no one who does that will appeal to everyone.

@jamesbarlow6423

Жыл бұрын

The Left doesn't hate him "because he believes in freedom." He can be persnickity and unfair I guess. When I responded to one of his entrees that he wholesale bought the Hicks crackpot misinterpretation of Kant's philosophy as non-Enlightenment he personally responded by calling me "an ungrateful little shit!" adding "What books have you written?" After responding that (1) I'd written and published 3 works in philosophical theology and (2) I doubted the author of the remark under his name was really him, (given it was so abruptly crude and judgemental), I received NO RESPONSE.....🤔

@mloney9772

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesbarlow6423 as you say it was likely not JP. That said, in all the lectures and interviews I have seen, I have never JP be unfair. People may take offense for what he says but if you breakdown the logic of the argument I think you will find his opponents are being unfair holding him to standards that they neither hold or even attempt themselves.

@jamesbarlow6423

Жыл бұрын

@@mloney9772 . I hold to my standards too, and nowadays I'm not so sure it wasn't him. The morally indignant frequently can't tell who is on their side and who is not.

@mloney9772

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesbarlow6423 I am glad to hear you hold to your standards. Hopefully you didn’t think I had said otherwise. Indignation has a haute, ignorant connotation. I am curious which, of JP’s comments were indignant, persnickety, or unfair.

@jamesbarlow6423

Жыл бұрын

@@mloney9772 . The one he made to me, as I wrote in here

The reason Dr Peterson has decided to pick a side is because there comes a time when there is a clear line between right and wrong.

@janglandis773

Жыл бұрын

Peterson has put himself under immense societal pressure by putting himself out there as an expert in too many diverse areas outside of his scholarship and making so many bullshit statements. There are so many wiser, more honest, more learned intellects for people to listen to on YOUTube. Intellects who speak from their actual area of expertise rather than going off on arrogant tangents like Peterson. i.e. The cringe-worthy pontifications and ludicrous positions posited by Jordan B. Peterson: He strongly implied that women wearing makeup in the workplace invite sexual harassment. He was called out on this so many times, he had to waffle walk it back. Rules concerning men arguing with men verses men arguing with “crazy women” are unfair because men can't hit women. An essay in which he stated hating Muslim people wasn't a bad thing because all Muslims are violent extremists. His lie that every country with a Muslim government gives the death penalty for blasphemy. His completely ridiculous statement that ancient people knew all about DNA and that the medical symbol of the intertwined snakes is proof of that. Corporal punishment should be used to discipline children-even two-year-olds. (Rule 5) If he'd bothered to do any research on this, he'd have learned that studies concerning corporeal punishment showed that even spanking has long term negative effects on children. Exhausted fanboy parents are going to see this as Peterson's stamp of approval and spank or hit their children much more readily. His statement that he believes medicine kills more people than it saves. Irresponsible because there are gullible followers who may not seek medical intervention when they need it. His dream about his Granny's pubic hair in the book Maps of Meaning. WHAT THE FOOK WAS THAT ALL ABOUT. His twitter comment in which he presented himself as an authority on objective standards of beauty for women (and then quit twitter because someone had the gall to call him on it.) His dishonesty and waffling about when he was asked if he believed in Christ/was a Christian. His hypocrisy concerning his own 12 Rules. When life gets hard, take Benzos. His very uneducated stance on climate change. (How arrogant. That's not his area of expertise.) His statement on a BBC channel that racism was not a structural problem in society His statement that there are no reliable chemical means to stop smoking he says, and then immediately brings up the use of magic mushrooms. His deliberate misrepresentation of Bill C-16. He out and out lied about the content/purpose of that bill just to get another 15 minutes of fame. What a despicable man. His arrogance at retranslating the meaning of various Bible stories as though he has a direct line to God--or as though he is God. Next thing he'll do is write a third testament. Wonder what he'll call it. His latest claim is that Putin is attacking Ukraine because he doesn't want the degenerate ideas of the west to infiltrate his country. Yeah, sure, like Putin stands on such high moral ground killing all those civilians with many children among them. Not a complete list of Peterson bullshit by any means. Sorry I just can't respect the arrogance of someone who presents himself as an expert in disciplines for which he has no scholarship-climatology, theology, nutrition, pharmacology, economics,

@vincentr8704

Жыл бұрын

Yep. If your harmless your useless

@robertholland7558

Жыл бұрын

Sadly there no longer is a “right”. Everything is a lie these days, everything is wrong.

@willardmusick1187

Жыл бұрын

Bingo!

@randyevans7235

Жыл бұрын

Here Here!

I’d have more respect for Jordan (as much respect as I used to hold for him) if he criticised the Right a bit more. The Right also needs criticism.

@RaquelSantos-hj1mq

Жыл бұрын

The left is in control of all government and institutions. Your comment is absurd. You criticize those who are currently committing evil.

Finally, a voice of sanity and wisdom amidst the chaos of a civil war that no side can win

@josephpercy1558

Жыл бұрын

Psychologically, both sides are reflections of themselves. That's why no one can "win." One has to transcend the duality but unfortunately, Peterson has dug a trench on one side. The Peterson from 5 years ago was much better being a kind of mediator between the two sides, inviting dialogue.

@gandydancer9710

Жыл бұрын

@@josephpercy1558 There's a time for dialog and there's a time for righteous anger. That you (and Fuller) don't know this is not a criticism of Peterson.

@josephpercy1558

Жыл бұрын

@@gandydancer9710 "Righteous anger?" Who says it is righteous? That's a rhetorical question, of course. The answer is, well, one side in opposition to the other.

@gandydancer9710

Жыл бұрын

@@josephpercy1558 That's not a rhetorical question, it is a stupidity posing as a question. Peterson's anger is righteous, because it is obviously so. No one needs your approval to see that. And no one except a moron imagines that all "sides" are equal.

@josephpercy1558

Жыл бұрын

@@gandydancer9710 "Obviously so?" Says who? You? Yes. You're obviously the one who gives that an approval. And "all sides are equal?" Where did you get that idea? Reflections of supposed opposites does not always infer "equals." Anyway. You do you, buddy. 👍 🙃

I’m actually glad that David Fuller is leaving Rebel Wisdom. He used JP to prop up his show and now that he’s leaving he’s kicking him to the curb. He lost all credibility when he cross examined Bret Weinstein. When the results were in favour of Bret he didn’t concede or apologize

@LivingSpiritDesign

Жыл бұрын

indeed mate........ that drove me crazy, now the light has been shined on that topic there needed to be a comprehensive look back. Not a double down. RW was awesome in the beginning but has fallen into a hate platform of how his guests have lost their ways. ........... funny he still bangs on about BW saying IVM was 100% effective, but doesn't bring up the fact that fauci said the vax was 100% effective. LAME

@russellsharpe288

Жыл бұрын

As I understand it, he's not so much leaving Rebel Wisdom as closing it down.

@benhudson4014

Жыл бұрын

Yeah David " we need to have a conversation " Fuller.

@jamesbarlow6423

Жыл бұрын

The Weinsteins are opportunistic monologists

@bryr5768

Жыл бұрын

@@russellsharpe288 clearly wasn't making enough cash off it, ridiculous business model and concept

David Fuller's cry for nuance in a conversation that no longer exist due to cancellations.

He had some good points. I am fan of Jordan Peterson and was surprised to find myself agreeing with points. A follow-up interview with both parties would be an excellent follow-up.

Fundamental point by David: When you 'pick a side' (in our social media world) you leave the conversation and remain thereafter in an echochamber with its associated warping problems. Conversation has got to be kept going at all costs, and we need this between our influencing intellectuals especially. The alternative ultimately will be war. People need, at least, to aim for an 'integral' overview. Freddie's 'devil's advocate' line of questioning is part useful or maybe necessary, but at times seems partly to forget that we should surely aim to rise above our baser 'instincts' as a species (and know that we are all often wrong, in our subjectivity), rather than submit to them on the basis that we are 'only human'. A lot of supposed disagreement within humankind is actually misunderstanding. And war is not good.

@aranisles8292

Жыл бұрын

Sometimes war is exactly what is needed. The Beatles were wrong. When the enemy is in the house, let it be doesn't cut it.

I loved the questions Freddy asked in this interview. Love UnHerd .

@BagOfEyebrows

Жыл бұрын

came here to say that, saw you already said it :)

@alexlongman5053

Жыл бұрын

He is the stand out interviewer of his generation.

@kelloggs7447

Жыл бұрын

Yes- Freddy is a true journalist-teasing out the info without taking sides-a rare talent in this day and age.

There is no "centre ground" when you're talking about people castrating and mutilating children

@sheRoyals

Жыл бұрын

100% THIS!! We have strayed so far from sanity at this point if you don't have some righteous anger, I doubt your pulse!

@barbarasherman4870

Жыл бұрын

Exactly!

@foolfether

Жыл бұрын

I'd go further and say JP is not radical enough. When he talked to D Rubin on gay parenting, I just couldn't stand it. So, let me put it this way: there should be radicalization when talking about damaging children.

@plrt6794

9 ай бұрын

@@foolfether. Like indoctrinating children with religion?

Of course Peterson has got angrier. The left had gone nuts. All of us who’ve been abandoned by the left are angry. This guy doesn’t get it.

It's a great point that we have a mainstream media that just dismisses/silences alternative voices and then an alternative media that just platforms them without challenging them.

I am coming to this conversation as a traditionally left, working class female raised by a single mother in the UK and regularly consume content from David @ rebel wisdom, Freddy @ Unherd, Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan, Russell Brand and multitudes of others:) Freddy this was an exceptionally incredible interview, your questions were nuanced and really got to the subject of the matter. David I hope you talk to Jordan again, I don’t think his evolution is the complete result of social media capture as you suggest… I am sure he would have reflected on this and would welcome his insights. Personally, my world and entire world view has been totally upended In the last two years and I will never be the same again, I believe this is something worth investigating and YES there is an urgency to the rise of authoritarianism which I believe you may be missing?

@chriskenney4377

Жыл бұрын

Well said.

@roothogordie1451

Жыл бұрын

I think many of us have felt our world upended. I was very interested in Jordan Peterson's critique of postmodernism, loved his book Maps of Meaning. His approach to mythic truths in religion, all of that. I even bought his book "12 Rules for Life" in which he wrote, "Tell the truth, at least don't lie." I always wondered what he would comment on Donald Trump, a major world figure who demonstrated being factually challenged on many important occasions. He never had a word to say about Trump in this regard. I felt something was missing there.

@hh5050

Жыл бұрын

Bang on!!

@evolassunglasses4673

Жыл бұрын

I think you may enjoy KZread channel The Duran. Best wishes.

@januarysson5633

Жыл бұрын

@@evolassunglasses4673 Oh, that’s the show with the ex British lawyer who forged a judge’s signature, isn’t it?

I like the new version of Jordan Peterson! He taking on the WEF and the great reset

@nickbrennan3389

Жыл бұрын

Yes...he was silent during the early stages of the covid lunacy, but he has come good

@Jaapst

Жыл бұрын

@@nickbrennan3389 he is vaccinated…

@dave9547

Жыл бұрын

@@Jaapst so what, he's still doing more to expose the lunacy than any of us ever will. Be grateful.

@Jaapst

Жыл бұрын

@@dave9547 yeah but he fell into the trap i dont have respect for that especially someone like JP. I dont like him anymore

@dave9547

Жыл бұрын

@@Jaapst so youre against vaccinated people? Regardless of whether theyre against mandates and lockdowns? Why?

Great interview by Freddy. Context is everything and the context has changed. The war is on, especially in Canada, that's why JP-and many others-have taken a side, ready to battle. Humans will do what humans will do, it's old battles, hard-wired connections adapting to changing contexts. It goes where it goes, lol!

I've heard him arguing very recently why the left and the right need each other. I do think the left, WEF etc is out of control and we need to weigh in against that extreme left.

I feel about David Fuller as David Fuller feels about Jordan Peterson.

@lukeannett

Жыл бұрын

Fuller is a coward. Only a matter of time before they come for him too.

@janglandis773

Жыл бұрын

Peterson has put himself under immense societal pressure by putting himself out there as an expert in too many diverse areas outside of his scholarship and making so many bullshit statements. There are so many wiser, more honest, more learned intellects for people to listen to on YOUTube. Intellects who speak from their actual area of expertise rather than going off on arrogant tangents like Peterson. i.e. The cringe-worthy pontifications and ludicrous positions posited by Jordan B. Peterson: He strongly implied that women wearing makeup in the workplace invite sexual harassment. He was called out on this so many times, he had to waffle walk it back. Rules concerning men arguing with men verses men arguing with “crazy women” are unfair because men can't hit women. An essay in which he stated hating Muslim people wasn't a bad thing because all Muslims are violent extremists. His lie that every country with a Muslim government gives the death penalty for blasphemy. His completely ridiculous statement that ancient people knew all about DNA and that the medical symbol of the intertwined snakes is proof of that. Corporal punishment should be used to discipline children-even two-year-olds. (Rule 5) If he'd bothered to do any research on this, he'd have learned that studies concerning corporeal punishment showed that even spanking has long term negative effects on children. Exhausted fanboy parents are going to see this as Peterson's stamp of approval and spank or hit their children much more readily. His statement that he believes medicine kills more people than it saves. Irresponsible because there are gullible followers who may not seek medical intervention when they need it. His dream about his Granny's pubic hair in the book Maps of Meaning. WHAT THE FOOK WAS THAT ALL ABOUT. His twitter comment in which he presented himself as an authority on objective standards of beauty for women (and then quit twitter because someone had the gall to call him on it.) His dishonesty and waffling about when he was asked if he believed in Christ/was a Christian. His hypocrisy concerning his own 12 Rules. When life gets hard, take Benzos. His very uneducated stance on climate change. (How arrogant. That's not his area of expertise.) His statement on a BBC channel that racism was not a structural problem in society His statement that there are no reliable chemical means to stop smoking he says, and then immediately brings up the use of magic mushrooms. His deliberate misrepresentation of Bill C-16. He out and out lied about the content/purpose of that bill just to get another 15 minutes of fame. What a despicable man. His arrogance at retranslating the meaning of various Bible stories as though he has a direct line to God--or as though he is God. Next thing he'll do is write a third testament. Wonder what he'll call it. His latest claim is that Putin is attacking Ukraine because he doesn't want the degenerate ideas of the west to infiltrate his country. Yeah, sure, like Putin stands on such high moral ground killing all those civilians with many children among them. Not a complete list of Peterson bullshit by any means. Sorry I just can't respect the arrogance of someone who presents himself as an expert in disciplines for which he has no scholarship-climatology, theology, nutrition, pharmacology, economics,

It is precisely this politeness at the expense of truthfulness that has allowed things to get as bad as they are. If one side is willing to take a stand and the other is not, what might we expect to happen?

@horseman3222

Жыл бұрын

No, Peterson just got angry because he got banned from twitter. His twitts were not some intelectual masterpieces, don't kid yourself. You win over culture by writting books that will be read by all future generations. Not by posting up to 280 messages on twitter. Peterson presented himself in the discussed video as bitter, deranged and narcissistic.

@Yhoshua_hiphop

Жыл бұрын

@@horseman3222 If Peterson was primarily a Twitter personality, this might make sense, except for the fact that he wasn’t banned. His account was suspended on the contingency that he delete the tweet. He took a stand on principle. You don’t have to like it, but it is factual. To your point, his books are massively popular, his KZread channel is massively popular. He has thousands of thousands of hours of lectures and interviews dating back to the mid 90’s, decades of clinical work and consulting work for multinational corporations to improve workplace dynamics and female participation at all levels. His self-authoring courses are tremendously popular. Now, you may not like him, or his views, but denying his influence is delusional.

One has to understand that our freedom and values are under attack.

Amazing, Freddy, so well done! From my vantage point as an Astrology enthusiast, I was thrilled to hear Air (David) talk things over with Water (Freddy). Air: What you're suggesting sounds intense and destructive! Water: Well, yes, that's what it feels like to be an actual human being - what you're wishing for sounds inhuman!

" even if you think it's the most important thing in the world" who's this guy crying about Jordan?

@pulmo1

Жыл бұрын

David is a codependent weakling not up to opposing the lunacy of our progressive brethren.

When David Fuller says " we're literally in a situation now where we don't understand each other, we don't even understand how people can think the way that they think". For me David Fuller dropped the ball with that statement, it's is easy for me to understand how some people around me think, most people I know are busy people, they go to work and then deal with their kids each day after work. They do not watch KZread or any other alternative media, they watch the local news or read the headline news on their phone and call it a day. So when it came to something as big as Covid for example, they only heard one side of the argument.

@technopop90

Жыл бұрын

completely agree

@gillps5130

Жыл бұрын

I understand that but when I have said to younger people, I know you don't have time but I do so will you listen to me, they won't.

@bryncannon4279

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. When he was saying that, I was thinking “those in power don’t understand the rest of us, and don’t want to, while the rest of us completely understand both sides: our own largely censored view, and the dominant narrative because it’s inescapable and those in power won’t shut up about it.”

@jamesbarlow6423

Жыл бұрын

Lemmings. Civic virtue in america

@jackdeniston6150

Жыл бұрын

Yes. This pussy is a reporter. Not an agent for change. Understanding is complete, now it is time to say, and demonstrate, 'you are wrong'.

I’m reading through the comments and am somewhat relieved to read the majority do not agree with Fullers discourse and continue to support JP...I was starting to think the world really had turned on its head as JP is one of the few out there standing for what he believes.

@gabrielcio8903

Жыл бұрын

I start reading the comments for exactly the same reason and, just like you, I am very relieved! Especially that I just watched JP@ Lex Friedman! Great interview!

Excellent and valid questions from Freddie, thank you for this discussion! EDIT: as well as valuable and thoughtful answers. I just wish there was a solution to the extreme fragmentation of our society.

Jordan Peterson is one of the few people in the mainstream media who I truly admire to this day. Yes, he has changed. Yes he's angry but aren't we all angry after what we've all been through these past years?

@biteme8905

Жыл бұрын

Jordan Peterson is just practicing more about what he has always preached. He often spoke and wrote about having the strength and integrity to challenge authoritarians, now he is just doing it in a challenging and badass way.

@mazg4707

Жыл бұрын

So true

@gizigus055

Жыл бұрын

Especially if you're Canadian. I am. Have you seen the state of that country right now ? The kind of laws they are trying to pass, the Trudeau government, the worst covid restrictions in western so-called democracies, the sky-rocketing cost of life and absolutely no power fighting back all that crap.. well, I can understand sometimes why he's angry. I know a lot of Canadians who feel that way right now. We feel like we had a great country that is being destroyed right now and there's nothing, absolutely nothing we can do.

@ansielubbeprosser9072

Жыл бұрын

Excellent point!

@jamesbarlow6423

Жыл бұрын

He can be persnickity and unfair I guess. When I responded to one of his entrees that he wholesale bought the Hicks crackpot misinterpretation of Kant's philosophy as non-Enlightenment he personally responded by calling me "an ungrateful little shit!" adding "What books have you written?" After responding that (1) I'd written and published 3 works in philosophical theology and (2) I doubted the author of the remark under his name was really him, (given it was so abruptly crude and judgemental), I received NO RESPONSE.....🤔

When half the knowledge is hidden to suit corporate greed there is definitely a need for people like Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson to balance out the facts and weed out the lies the world is being fed.

@miranaradivojevic469

Жыл бұрын

Yes indeed.

@Bradley9967

Жыл бұрын

Would he have the same issue with joe rogan.

@roseannatyrrell4498

Жыл бұрын

@@Bradley9967 probably yes, - with anyone who is not spouting the crap the regular *media/propaganda are spouting

@lovesees4320

Жыл бұрын

👏👏👏 Exactly

@chriskenney4377

Жыл бұрын

Yup!

I know who I would prefer to listen to every day. Dr Peterson.

Freddie is a fantastic interviewer, I've said it before but he's so fair to his speakers but perfectly probes them on their biases

@G_Ozare

Жыл бұрын

💯

I'm glad you had David Fuller on your show. I had not "hurd" of him before. And now I won't waste time following him. Thx!

@analuizakelly3610

Жыл бұрын

Lol 😂

@karynwith-a-y6686

Жыл бұрын

👍👍👍

I'm with Peterson. Never heard of David Fuller, but he sounds like a 'useful idiot'. Fuller is someone who will happily usher in the misery that is authoritarianism and still say he was correct when proven wrong.

@no-one-knows321

Жыл бұрын

Yes, time for empathy and comprising has passed.

@Vgallo

Ай бұрын

lol fuller is part of the reason Peters became so famous, you musnt be a long time Peterson follower

@usefulcontent9894

Ай бұрын

@@Vgallo You are correct. I no longer listen to anything Peterson has to say. I would say why but I'm not allowed to which is why I don't listen to him.

@Vgallo

Ай бұрын

@@usefulcontent9894 so David fuller was right then? And your comment was rash? I also don’t listen to Peterson anymore, he’s become the ideologue he warned everyone against, basically everything David fuller says here was spot on and yet look at the comment section, it’s full of triggered culture warriors who are totally blind to Peterson’s corruption. I don’t understand why you can’t say you don’t listen to him anymore

Thank you Freddy !! The last 10 min was interesting 🙏🪐🎶

Excellent interview. I followed Rebel Wisdom in the first couple of years and David is a super smart guy and I think strives really hard to be honest in all he says. It's too bad that he's publicly separating from Jordan Peterson in this way as JP is a necessary counter balance to all the woke trash we are constantly having shoved down our throats. JP is angry and I think rightly so.

@damienlabenz

Жыл бұрын

Thats it I unsubed. This clearly a desperate and cheap character assassination attempt by this channel of JP. He accused Jordan Peterson (No iam by no mean a fan of JP) of polisaration creating extrimisim and thus violence and many more nonesense. They accused him of everything that you could accuse the mainstream, institutions, left and or liberals of being times a 100x for the past 10 years at least. It clearly shows what agenda this channel, Unherd, hold to value and that is to me very important information; that this "interview" (charcter assassination attempt of JP) has shown. JP has no political agenda and I have observed him. If anyone is open to criticts its JP, if anyone is willing to have a dialogue is JP. Al false cheap and desperate attempts to smear him bc they are getring payed to do this. There is a war giong on and there are only two camps to choose from: between good and evil, truth and decceit, God or Devil

@RaquelSantos-hj1mq

Жыл бұрын

It's pure cowardice. It's time to take a stand against evil.

@edwardkantowicz4707

Жыл бұрын

@damienlabenz If JO is so open to criticism, why didn't he apologise for the very personal nature of the social media attacks on the plus-size SI model, and Elliot Page? He doubled down, and dehumanised them both further. We can speak unpopular truths without taking hostages. He shouldn't be trolling random women, or transpeople on social media. It is indefensible. I would have thought differently on both matters had he attempted some sort of apology or admission that he made an error making his trans disgust personal, and that he shouldn't be punching down to these two. He made a misstep, and it's changed others' perception of him, whether you can see that or not. This wasn't a take down of JP here, but rather an analysis of his anger, and divisiveness, and how he's crossed a line for some. Both blokes are being very fair here. JP can no longer be so thin-skinned when he's making unprecedented and unprovoked personal attacks on people he dislikes for no good reason. That's displaced anger, and more scapegoating, not "fighting back".

@sug1733

Жыл бұрын

​​@@edwardkantowicz4707 The model and the actress you mention were not personally attacked: they both represent the narrative that the woke ideology wants to impose on society. They played respectively the role of the "relative beauty" and the "fluid genre", that is, they exemplify the false woke narrative that there is no truth, no true values; regardless if we speak of beauty or sexes. Dr Peterson talked about them not as the individual persons they are, because they did not present themselves to us as such, but as a model and an actress, that is, as public figures. As such they took the risk to be taken only for what they represent to all of us, i.e. for the public role they played, not for the individual women they are. If a decent person (and Dr. Peterson certainly is) happens to see the model woman on the street, he would never go and tell her: "hey, you know you're awfully overweight, don't you?". But it is a whole different story if we're not talking about a personal encounter but a magazine that depicts a certain narrative using the image of a woman.

@fademasterfade227

Жыл бұрын

@@edwardkantowicz4707 That's fair that you think that but I see his twitter criticisms as pointed towards the disgusting and insane ideology that elevates the individuals you refer to. If you're not angry about this shit then I'd say you fundamentally misunderstand the hysteria taking place in our culture.