Great vid/review, answered a lot of the every day questions. Keep up the good work.

@MichaelBellmbell556

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Please check out my channel if you get a chance.

This is great! This is everything I want to see in a side by side comparison video. I am curious to see the results at 100yds I’ll be sure to watch that one next. Great job!

@MichaelBellmbell556

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Need to test at 100 yds with the 22 Mag rifle. 25 yards is more like 22 LR (pistol) accuracy test range.

@MichaelBellmbell556

5 жыл бұрын

Did it. Check out my channel if you get a chance.

@ur_asian_milfoil

2 жыл бұрын

22mag is more a 70 yard 1 moa the trajectory is like a rainbow 🌈

Mr. Bell....... Thank you for your very informative, and excellent review of these two rifles......

@MichaelBellmbell556

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching.

Thank you for the review and comparison

I'm in the market for a semi auto 22 magnum ,having cz bolt guns I know how good they are ,this has helped me make up my mind CZ ,many thanks steve

Impressive testing of accuracy & reliability. Nice job, Thx

@MichaelBellmbell556

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

Great effort in doing all these comparisons. That helps. I know the time and work it takes to do this. I did not see better accuracy from my view of the videos comparing the CZ to the Savage, But the CZ is made with quality and sooner or later that will make a big difference. The other day I was out shooting my Marlin model 60 on whistle pigs using Winchester 22LR Super X 36 gr HP. I was making clean kill shots out to 100 yards. But Winchester primers have an issue with FTF. In my Ruger 77/22M bolt rifle, I get very good results with the Hornady 30gr VMax. Back when the 22WMR was scarce as hens teeth, since it is one of my favorite cartridges in several firearms owned, I decided to create my own mini varmint cartridge that is reloadable. I am still working on a good platform, but out of a Savage Axis with custom barrel and chamber, this little center fire cartridge with 40 gr hollowpoints is a hand grenade at 2770 fps. When I get a different rifle built, I will post a video or 2. Keep up the great work!

@MichaelBellmbell556

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Please post a video link of the details when you get it done.

Thanks for your time & expertise! Appreciate it!

@MichaelBellmbell556

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Very well detailed and accurate reviews on these smaller caliber rifles.

@MichaelBellmbell556

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@paulwilliamson2067

7 жыл бұрын

Indeed. A better-than-average review/comparison.

As an owner of both the Brno ZKM-611 and the CZ 512 I cannot say enough about their quality of construction. To the bolt riding on the polymer lower nobody seemed to care about that with the old nylon 66's. Yes they are quirky regarding the safety needing to be off to charge the rifle ,but you get used too it, oh and I did notice a problem that I had that showed up in your vid ....if those scope rings are not super tight the whole scope and rings slowly creep forward under recoil. Great review

@MichaelBellmbell556

7 жыл бұрын

Very good observation. I did not notice the front scope rings until I got home. I like the 512. My only complaint is the trigger being heavy. I think it will improve with time and use. I would not feel guilty toting the 512 in the woods. The ZKM 611 will only come out when the weather is nice. They have become quite collectible. Thank you for your input and information.

@BDPlock

7 жыл бұрын

Yes looked it up on Gunbroker and..!!!!!! my goodness that ZKM-611 sure went up in value. Keep doing those reviews, refreshing change from all the steel clangers.

@MichaelBellmbell556

7 жыл бұрын

And don't you like the guy that wants $400 for one 10 round magazine. Makes the $200 magazine seem like a bargain....not. Glad I bought mine with extra mags. Have a good weekend, looks like a winter storm for us.

@BDPlock

7 жыл бұрын

I also have extra 6 rounders but had noticed on the CZ-USA shop that they had both 10 and 5 round mags... but were $110 for the 10 rnd and $100 for the 5....funny how people scalp stuff. Any way hello from the frozen wastes of Nebraska...we had our storm a couple of days ago. Glad i work inside was minus 10 the other nite

I just came across your video and it really helped me I have been trying to find good semi auto for a survival rifle and the CZ make the cut for me

@MichaelBellmbell556

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Thank you I'll try a good cleaning and I have some different ammo I'm going to try as well I have Savage bolt action 17HMR that functions flawlessly with the A17 ammo on my 17HMR I have a Bushnell A17 scope any recommendations for an optic for A22 as I didn't particularly care for the Simmons 22mag scope I put on the A22

Comparison so good, I had to watch it again.

@MichaelBellmbell556

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

700+ rds. thru my CZ so far since new in box. No issues. Straight shooter. I'm good.

@MichaelBellmbell556

5 жыл бұрын

They are nice guns.

Excellent comparison of the two. I ended up picking up the CZ when I purchased my .22wmr rifle due to the quality feel and comfort.

@MichaelBellmbell556

3 жыл бұрын

Feels like higher quality.

I was interested in the Savage A22 WMR until I found the Savage A22 in the Long Rifle (LR) version goes for $233, vice the WMR version for $371. They've really jacked up the price for a very little difference in manufacturing cost.

@MichaelBellmbell556

6 жыл бұрын

The bolt assembly is more complicated in the 22WMR compared to the straight blow back bolt of the 22 LR. How much that really adds to the manufacturing process, I really don't know.

Just picked up the A22 and amazingly accurate little gun that feels full size. I can shoot dime size groups at 30 yards with a Vortex 2x7 scope, all I will ever need.

Yes, "interesting & useful" and very thorough. Thank you.

@MichaelBellmbell556

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

Very nice thank you for showing it on you tube have a good night ☺️

@MichaelBellmbell556

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! You too!

One of the best reviews I've seen Glad to see you were not outfitted with body armor and running around shooting at steel plates.

@MichaelBellmbell556

7 жыл бұрын

:o)

@airgreek

6 жыл бұрын

yeah and not full of himself either like that guy with body armor lol

Thanks for the video , I’d like to see more .

@MichaelBellmbell556

5 жыл бұрын

Check out my channel for more. I take these two and two more 22WMR rifles and compare at 100 yards. Thanks for watching.

Both guns seem to be more accurate with the high speed, low weight (shorter) bullets. The longer, heavier, slower bullets were less accurate. This makes me wonder if the twist rate is adequate to fully stabilize the bullet. I would be interested in seeing if they keyhole at longer range.

Great review!

@MichaelBellmbell556

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks

My savage a22lr rifle has iron sights, but they are useless. You cannot get low enough to get a sight picture. Great comparison of these rifles, thanks a lot!

@MichaelBellmbell556

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching.

Very nice review Michael, also like to see a 100 yd. test,,,with both weapons

@MichaelBellmbell556

5 жыл бұрын

Your wish is my command....kzread.info/dash/bejne/n2armamGec3Zf6w.html

Thanks for your review

@MichaelBellmbell556

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

If you like what you see please consider supporting my channel by making a small pledge on my Patreon page at www.patreon.com/mbell556

What was the most accurate brand of ammo at 100 yards in either rifle? Thanks for sharing!

I just bought The Savage A22 magnum. Now I read all these bad feed issues. What brand and type of ammo are you using. It is hard to find A22 ammo. Will CCI maxi mags work? CCI TNT mags? What works?

I handled the CZ At The gun store and found it hard to get my cheek down on the stock to look down the sights. Would be no problem with a scope

Nice video. I'll take the BRNO, though. I noticed the CZ's bolt did not lock open after the final round. Does the Savage have a hold-open feature? Both are basically lights-out, at least at that range. The 45 gr. Winchester is only a coated copper bullet, as other .22 ammo is. Probably not a good choice for any 22WMR rifle.

@MichaelBellmbell556

4 жыл бұрын

No, neither of these rifles lock the bolt back on an empty magazine. Thanks for watching and please check out my channel if you get a chance.

Mr Bell, what was the accuracy like with the CZ and the Remington ammo?

@MichaelBellmbell556

6 жыл бұрын

Here is what I tested at 100 yards...kzread.info/dash/bejne/n2armamGec3Zf6w.html

Both are great guns, but the Savage gets the nod because of a better trigger, flush and and glass filled stock that can be bedded. As a hunting tool one of them with the heavy 16.5 inch barrel would be a dream.

@MichaelBellmbell556

3 жыл бұрын

Good points.

So I have both savage and CZ rifles. CZ hands down makes the best small caliber/ rim fire rifles. I haven’t shot any large caliber CZ but I imagine they’re just as great! Love the savages I have a A22 A22 mag and the A17 all in my opinion are super accurate really reliable great guns! But ya CZ more expensive but quality and the feel of the rifles are just amazing!

@MichaelBellmbell556

2 жыл бұрын

That sums it up pretty good!

@rolieg81

Жыл бұрын

I love CZ rifles. Man you gotta shoot the CZ 527 7.62x39 with the set trigger 👍

Thanks for the info i jus got my cz in its perfect

@MichaelBellmbell556

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. The CZ is very nice. I have a BRNO 611 I need to do a video review of. If you have time please check out my channel. Thanks again.

@austinkennedy1815

3 жыл бұрын

Where on earth did you find it? They've been sold out online forever

Very fair comparison but I would disagree with the "takedown ". I'm sure some people will disagree but I'm more concerned about cleaning the rifle, not just taking the stock off. All you need to do with the savage is remove the dust cover, twist the return spring and the bolt slides out the back. This will allow you to clean the rifle from the chamber end forward, instead of the muzzle end. The CZ is more similar to a 10/22 or marlin 60. It can be cleaned from the chamber end, like the savage but the bolt spring is a bit of a challenge to get in without bending it (same as marlin 60s). It is true that you'll have to remove the scope on the savage to clean it but that's only if you select the right/wrong scope. I have a Burris 4.5-14x42 , Burris 3-9x40 aa well as most of my other scopes that do not interfere with cleaning/removing the dust cover on my savage A17. I wish I had bought the CZ, I will admit, but it should also be mentioned that CZs are not nearly as easy to find, at least not for 100 miles from my area. One more drawback of the CZ is it comes with a 11mm dovetail for mounting a scope. The weaver bases are far more sturdy..

the term they use for the style of stock you have on your BRNO is called a "Hogback". Great review Sir, I have a 512 in 22lr which I absolutely love. The only thing I think could be improved on it is the trigger. I wish someone would make a aftermarket trigger for the 512 platform of rifles.

@MichaelBellmbell556

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

@teddyjakeddy975

6 жыл бұрын

you should look on Rimfire Central for easy trigger jobs for the 512. I spent a couple of dollars for Ace #144 springs to install on my 452 and 455.

@NLINE7

6 жыл бұрын

I'm not going to mess with my trigger on my CZ 512, new out of the box it's has a 3 pound trigger pull and has not even been shot yet.

I'm with others..thank you ..great review

@MichaelBellmbell556

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Excellent comparison - I would like to see 100 yards with this cartridge. I like the flush magazine and that adjustable trigger on the A22. For the $, I'd like to see the adjustable trigger with the CZ. I've seen many videos on both guns . . . I give the edge for reliability of the action cycling to the CZ. Thanks for sharing!

@MichaelBellmbell556

2 жыл бұрын

I have the 100 yd test on my channel. Thanks for watching.

@jamesschneider2091

2 жыл бұрын

@@MichaelBellmbell556 Very good. I checked that out. Adding the two models added value to the test. - TY

@MichaelBellmbell556

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesschneider2091 Thanks!

Just found your channel. Great review! Stay safe with the covid19 pandemic thats here.

@MichaelBellmbell556

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. Please take some time and explore my channel. The mortality rate for COVID 19 is very low but the long incubation period is a real problem for containment. Just be very careful around folks that have been in one of the known areas of infection.

@johnboyf-15vet51

4 жыл бұрын

Michael Bell the WHO reported today that is was 3.2 % death rate, thats 30 times as lethal as the flu.

@MichaelBellmbell556

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnboyf-15vet51 That is worldwide. In the US less than 1%. Be careful and be safe. Usually fatal in patients with significant co-morbidities.

Yes, I have got a Cz512 it is nice and reliable for and ammunition is also circle as like u shown in youtube.

Lol if somebody keeps having problems loading the savage they shouldn't be using it.its very easy to lock in. I've never had an issue from day one. Great video keep up the good work.

@MichaelBellmbell556

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks

What height scope rings that are used in the video, and did they come with the scope or did you buy them separate ? Scope looks to be a 3-9x32 Simmons .22 mag , am I correct ?

@MichaelBellmbell556

6 жыл бұрын

They are just cheap Medium height $20 rings from Walmart. The scope is a Simmons 22 Mag 3-9.

@NLINE7

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you .

Thank you for replying no I didn't clean it first, I was at a range very loud I don't remember feeling the hammer fall but on a couple of the rounds that didn't fire I pulled the trigger two or three times and the round went off like a hang fire, I didn't really examine the rounds that didn't fire just a quick look, to be honest it felt like it wasn't cycling hard enough when I would manually eject the rounds and charge a new one it fired but after the next round that would cycled by the action of the gun it wouldn't fire then I'd repeat and it worked it felt like the blowback wasn't strong enough to set the hammer or seat the round

@MichaelBellmbell556

7 жыл бұрын

I agree with your assessment so far. Probably short stroking. So not enough power or too much resistance. I would bet too much resistance since this ammo has worked well for me. Start with breaking the rifle down and giving it a very good cleaning and then lube up and try again. Next time out pay very close attention to exactly what's happening if the failures continue. Let me know how it works out.

Great video

@MichaelBellmbell556

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Very good gun show I really like the CZ 512.

@MichaelBellmbell556

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yes, the CZ is very nice.

Great review! But It's much better to rest the rifles on a led sled to erase the human factor also it's nice to chrony your shots at 10 rds. each at 50 to 75 yds!

@armedfarm3429

2 жыл бұрын

Just needs a pad under the stock in back, squeeze with hand for elevation.

Is that front scope mount even on the CZ at the end of the video description? lol Were you shooting the groups like that???

@MichaelBellmbell556

5 жыл бұрын

I did a 100 yard follow up with the scope secure....LOL

Great comparison, Do come up with comparison of CZ 512 vs Ruger 10/22

@MichaelBellmbell556

4 жыл бұрын

I need a CZ 512 in 22LR.

Fairly exhaustive review of the two rifles, and a well put together video. Would be interesting to see how the CZ 512 22lr compares to 10/22

@MichaelBellmbell556

7 жыл бұрын

I'll see if any of my friends locally have the CZ in 22lr. I have plenty of 10/22s.

@The1fuzzydog

5 жыл бұрын

and a Savage A22 in lr

What is the point of doing accuracy testing at 25 yards ? I would much prefer to see you shoot it at 100 yards as this is well within the range of the rifle and cartridge and quarry.

@MichaelBellmbell556

6 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/n2armamGec3Zf6w.html

@shaadydog1

4 жыл бұрын

Old , cant see that far lol...

@scottgoodman8993

4 жыл бұрын

25 yards and 100 yards are the opposite ends of the same arc. Both are the same.

@BryanHocking

3 жыл бұрын

It's a 22

Its funny that your forward scope mount migrated forward almost off the mount rail and in another review here on KZread of the same 512 CZ WRM rifle his mount did the same thing on that rifle as well with no accuracy problems with that one to.

@MichaelBellmbell556

3 жыл бұрын

Cheap scopes and rings. I need to get better ones for tests.

very good review

@MichaelBellmbell556

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

Thanks for so nice review. Could you write your final opinion about differences please ? Im really bad speaking English and I dont unterstand some things at the end. Thanks!

@MichaelBellmbell556

4 жыл бұрын

It is a personal preference. which features appeal to you the most.

@nak_zgz

4 жыл бұрын

thanks for the reply. I value the reliability of the weapon and the proper functioning. I want to shoot with a viewfinder. I would like the bolt to remain open after the last shot but I think neither of the two weapons does. Aesthetically I think I like cz better because of the more classic style.

@MichaelBellmbell556

4 жыл бұрын

I lie the looks of the CZ better too.

Good review.

@MichaelBellmbell556

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching.

I have a Anschutz 1516 D best precision with Hornady V-Max 1/2 inch group at 100 Yard.

@MichaelBellmbell556

3 жыл бұрын

You have to find the right ammo for each rifle. Thanks for watching!

Higher mag capacity for cz512,any available?

50 Yards is a good starting point for testing. Flaws show up very quick. 25 yards is more for making sure you have everything set up. Is The ammo Copper Jacket?

@MichaelBellmbell556

5 жыл бұрын

Check out the 100 yd test with 4 rifles and multiple types of ammo.

No rear bag ? To stabilize during testing? High rate of fire, excessive heat generation, creating unnecessary variation in results

@MichaelBellmbell556

5 жыл бұрын

I do edit between shots

@georgezink6338

4 жыл бұрын

He has no idea how to test this gun

@CanadianTexaninLiguria

4 жыл бұрын

@@georgezink6338 Really? Can you shoot those groups?

I suggest a review of the savage Bmag .17WSM if you have not already done so.

@MichaelBellmbell556

7 жыл бұрын

I have several Savage rifles, most in 22LR or 22 WMR. I do not have a .17. Let me see if my LGS, PKAT Arms, has one and I might be able to get my hands on it for a little T&E.

Must be something with my eyes I did not see you shoot Savage A22 22 Magnum.

@MichaelBellmbell556

7 жыл бұрын

Well I have a channel with a lot of ongoing interrelated videos and reviews. You would have to follow our channel leading up to this final comparison. kzread.info/dash/bejne/ap9qrtmMhc7Loto.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/oYF-mrF9pLmXmrA.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/hIN8w6SaidecmNY.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/foSbpbKSXameobw.html

Michael, Good review. I owned an A17 and got rid of it for several reasons - horrible trigger, horrible magazine and overall poor accuracy. I would take a CZ any day and twice on Sunday's over the A22/A17. Watching you shoot off of that narrow bench was painful for me. You should find some way to broaden it so that you can rest your arms on the bench. I would assume that your accuracy would improve noticeably. Also, shooting a 22mag at 25 yards tells me very little about accuracy. Between the distance and the narrow bench, I do not feel that I can rely much on your accuracy evaluation. That said, I would assume that the CZ would be more accurate than the Savage at any distance. You did not mention in this review that the CZ also comes with a 25 round magazine. The A22 also has a 25 round magazine available. The CZ magazines also fit their 455 model bolt rifles so if someone has both, they could swap magazines. From personal experience, in the field use of the the CZ magazine is far more easy to load and insert into the magazine well than was my A17. I would be interested in finding out if you have gotten more information on the durability of the CZ lower as it looks like a point of wear. Thanks for the review. Burt

@MichaelBellmbell556

7 жыл бұрын

I am planning to go out tomorrow and repeat the accuracy evaluation. I moved my heavy table to access a 100 yard shot. I'll take the best and worst performing ammo for each rifle and shoot all 4 rounds from each rifle. 10 shot groups at 100 yards. I am also going to shoot the Magnum Research and the Kel Tec CMR30 since I have everything set up. Might as well see how all 4 rifles compare.

@burtburrell7609

7 жыл бұрын

Looking forward to your review.

@michaelmurphy3273

5 жыл бұрын

My A22, with Hornady 45 grain ammo, is deadly accurate out to 200. I found the test parameters questionable.at best.

it looks like the front scope ring on the CZ worked its way just about off the dovetail?

@MichaelBellmbell556

Жыл бұрын

Yep

@bsmith8297

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Michael, were you able to stop that from happening since?

@MichaelBellmbell556

Жыл бұрын

@@bsmith8297 Yes, just not paying attention at the time.

Maybe they would consider making one chambered for a .22TCM cal.

What scope are you using on the a22

@MichaelBellmbell556

Жыл бұрын

Simons 22mag

Detailed and very helpful review. My issue with the Savage is, you have no iron sights, you must use an optic, yet, to access the takedown screw to take it apart to clean it (and rimfires are very dirty guns) you have to remove the scope, losing zero. Every time you clean it, you have to rezero it. WTF? CZ is a big winner here.

@MichaelBellmbell556

5 жыл бұрын

Good points to consider. Thanks for watching!

@robertboyd3863

4 жыл бұрын

I don't have to remove my scope to take it apart enough to clean, and as he pointed out in most cases you can't get low enough to use the iron sights on the newer guns anyway, so find an old one if you want to use iron sights, I have several of each

Does the bolt stay open after the last round on either rifle???

@MichaelBellmbell556

3 жыл бұрын

No.

How long have you worked for cz ouch

Thank you for the field test. Gotta ask...25 yards with a scoped rifle? Why? This begs for 100 yards. Should be able to make 2-3" groups.

@MichaelBellmbell556

7 жыл бұрын

Well, I just wanted to show relative results between the 2 rifles. And it was easier and faster to do it at 25 yards. But your point is well taken. Here is the follow up review at 100 yards. kzread.info/dash/bejne/n2armamGec3Zf6w.html Please check out our channel if you get a chance. Thanks.

It would be more interesting to test 22lr/22wm at 50-100 meters 😉

@MichaelBellmbell556

7 жыл бұрын

I did the 25 yards for convenience. Firing this many different rounds at 100 yards would have been a more effective test but I am alone and time constraints made it more doable at 25 yards. Next time I test rimfire it will be at 50 yards. I can set that distance up fairly easily from my shed where I am doing most of my shooting. I have a 100 yard range but not from the shed. I need to go ahead ant set up a 100 yard lane and berm from the shed. Once again just a matter of time and money. This is my private property so I just have to do the work or pay for it. I can do a narrow lane and berm thru the pine trees. This would be good because they would mitigate wind influences on any future test. OK, project for this winter. :o)

@yuriys.6352

7 жыл бұрын

Michael Bell thanks. even 50m. would be much better! Good luck and Happy New year 😉

@MichaelBellmbell556

7 жыл бұрын

I can set up 50m from the shed fairly easily. I'll work on that.

@MichaelBellmbell556

7 жыл бұрын

Happy New Year !!

wondering what came out first...CCIs A22 ammo or the Savage A22 rifle?

@MichaelBellmbell556

7 жыл бұрын

I think they released them at about the same time. CCI and Savage owned by same parent company, I think.

@josephchung84

7 жыл бұрын

what came first the chicken or the egg ?

@ClayHeckmann

5 жыл бұрын

Most .22 mag SA's had functioning problems (H&K, Ruger 22 Mag, H&R) and were dropped from the market. The main reason was the peak burning rates on almost all 22 mag ammo did not match the SA action. Didn't give it enough time to clear the empty case before a new cartridge tried to chamber. Savage had big problems and called CCI. CCI lowered the high peak burning rate to a slower, more spread out rate and they had a good firing gun. I use only A22 ammo in my Remington 597 and it finally stopped jamming. All the other stuff goes in my bolt guns or Single Six.

The cz definitely has the reputation for accuracy. Same for savage but slightly less than cz. That said, I would much prefer a flush magazine and wonder if the savage with a Boyd's stock (which is what savage uses) would have better accuracy?

Does CZ make the same rifle chambered in 17 hmr?

@MichaelBellmbell556

Жыл бұрын

Don't think so.

At first I thought "Boy he can shoot fast"...then I noticed the jump cuts...

@MichaelBellmbell556

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, I try to edit as much as I can to shorten the videos.

i dont know if you noticed or not but the scope on the cz 512 nearly slipped off. the scope clearly migrated ahead. How can this rifle still group rounds with scope movement.

@MichaelBellmbell556

7 жыл бұрын

I noticed the migration when I got back to the shop. I took this rifle out the next week with 3 others to check groups at 100 yards per recommendation of several viewers. kzread.info/dash/bejne/n2armamGec3Zf6w.html

@MichaelBellmbell556

7 жыл бұрын

Good eye.

100 yards test needed. 25 yards is for handguns. Also, You should test the higher end A22 vs the CZ. The A22 varmint pro has a much better stock than the one you used. And, they would be more equal in price as well. Apples to Apples IMO.

@MichaelBellmbell556

2 жыл бұрын

That A22 was not available when I did this and 100 yards is the next video I did with 4 different 22 WMR rifles.

You need to rebuild your shooting bench for accuracy testing so you elbows and arms are supported, and you are sitting straight up.

@MichaelBellmbell556

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, this is just a heavy table, I need to make a shooting bench. It is on the to do list.

has the cz512 american been discontinued/ also are there any plans to make the cz512 in 17 hmr

@calangel

5 жыл бұрын

No, it's not discontinued. They aren't making a 17hmr version, due to a need to further delay the rearward movement of the bolt to eliminate ruptured cases. A heavy bolt is all that's needed with the 22wmr. The 17hmr needs a kind of delayed blowback.

@1tomanyguns

5 жыл бұрын

@@calangel thats good news , i have one in 22 mag and its a tackdriver with the 30gn hornady rd and very good with either the win or cci 40gn i would be on the bus for one in 17 hmr

@calangel

5 жыл бұрын

@@1tomanyguns As do I, and yes, it is a track driver ;-)

@MichaelBellmbell556

4 жыл бұрын

No

Was there a reason we didn't see you shoot the A22? Maybe you rested the barrel on the rest?

@MichaelBellmbell556

6 жыл бұрын

I did shoot the A22 . It is on my channel. There is a series looking at 22 WMR rifles.

Excelente video cuantas yardas gracias

@MichaelBellmbell556

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

Great Review ! was torn between the Savage and CZ 512. its gonna be the CZ for me. thanks !!!

@MichaelBellmbell556

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching.

@catjackoff-road855

4 жыл бұрын

Cz was mine as well not distance at all

It's surprising no remington 597 or H&R magnums for a comparison test from supposedly the best !

Have you ever heard of a lead sled? They are great for zeroing all rifles, much more steady.

@MichaelBellmbell556

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, I have a bench top vise I have used in other test. Since I had used the sand bag in the earlier test I stuck with that throughout this series of test. I think in the future I'll use the vise anytime I look at accuracy. Thanks.

If I was in the store choosing it would be the cz. It has wooden stock and forearm. But the plastic lower kinda shoots it in butt. If no one has noticed I have a problem with plastic guns.

@MichaelBellmbell556

2 жыл бұрын

The CZ does feel more like quality because of the stock

LOVE WOOD STOCKS CZ LOOKS LIKE WHAT IM LOOKING FOR

@MichaelBellmbell556

3 жыл бұрын

A nice rifle!

no video with the savage?

@MichaelBellmbell556

3 жыл бұрын

Yes a shop review and field test on my channel.

Great review,but I wish you had chronoed the rds to see if there was a ballistic difference between rifles.

@MichaelBellmbell556

7 жыл бұрын

Pick 5 different loads that I checked in the Savage that you are most interested in seeing and I'll chrono 5 rounds of each of those 5 tomorrow or Friday when I go out to finish my ECHO trigger review.

Is your barrel resting on the pillow or bag

@MichaelBellmbell556

3 жыл бұрын

Just the stock.

I can't find a 512 I'm get the savage I had rossi 22wmr semi was accurate but charging handle kept flying off

@MichaelBellmbell556

2 жыл бұрын

Ironically there are 22 different CZ512s listed on GunBroker right now.

@alabamarifleman6375

2 жыл бұрын

@@MichaelBellmbell556 I went and ordered the a22 today from my local shop

I took my new Savage A22 magnum to the range today to shoot it for the first time and zero my scope I used the CCI A22 ammo fired the first round then click cleared fired the third round then click and so on I used two different magazines and had trouble with both it seemed like every other round pull the trigger and nothing any thoughts

@MichaelBellmbell556

7 жыл бұрын

So you charge the rifle and fired the first round. Then you pull the trigger and did the hammer fall? Was there a primer strike on the brass? Did you clean the rifle before firing it? When you pull on the second round is there truly nothing or does the hammer fall. I am trying to figure out if the issue is the hammer not getting cocked, around is not getting chambered or firing pin is not striking the brass. Try to address each issue above and I think we can figure this out.

The CZ is a nicer looking rifle imo. That being said there are many test on here of both rifles and I would say either are as accurate as the shooter. So for the average guy it comes to looks and cost. 1 thing I will note is the 10 round mag is as large as you can get for the CZ. I have heard of several people using the 25rd A17 mags in the A22 with no problems feeding.

@MichaelBellmbell556

5 жыл бұрын

The A17 mag did not work for me. I tested it a few times and also tried to alter the feed lips but no joy. Butler Creek is making a 22 WMR 25 round mag but I have not gotten my hands on one.

the scope on the cz is walking forward

@MichaelBellmbell556

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, I caught that later as well.

@pnotuner1

3 жыл бұрын

Nice catch

I have a rossi pump .22wmr and it shoots best with armscore ammunition. best group size and velocity.

@MichaelBellmbell556

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info and thanks for watching.

Now in 2023, through in the Rossi RS22M at $249 and see how that stacks up!

I'll keep my old Marlin bolt action and put it up against either for accuracy,...and I only paid $100 for it years ago.

@MichaelBellmbell556

4 жыл бұрын

Those were the days. Also $99 SKSs at the dime store.

@robertboyd3863

4 жыл бұрын

@@MichaelBellmbell556 My first Remington 66 I paid $35 for $200 for one of the last ones, now some are getting $400. they all shoot almost anything I feed them, and group almost as good as my A22 lr with the bull barrel

@MichaelBellmbell556

4 жыл бұрын

@@robertboyd3863 Nice

Why would anyone test for group size at 25 yards? 75 or 100 yards is more like it.

@MichaelBellmbell556

5 жыл бұрын

That is on my channel with 4 different 22 WMR rifles. 100 yds.

I prefer the fact that the savage has a receiver that is tapped for scope bases.. I actually HATE dovetail groves like the CZ

I think CZ gets some credit for designing a blow-back that works with such a variety of ammunition. Having spent some time changing out recoil springs etc. to get a Hungarian PA 63 (9 mm Mak) running reliably, I can see that this is not easy.

@MichaelBellmbell556

4 жыл бұрын

They did good!

No excuse to have a 5 lb gritty trigger on a rifle today.....it costs no more to make a good trigger. Odd because my CZ bolt guns all have very nice triggers. I wonder if there are any aftermarket trigger parts available?

@MichaelBellmbell556

4 жыл бұрын

I have not run across any. Let us know if you find any.

@jerrym2321

4 жыл бұрын

@@MichaelBellmbell556 Right now I'm having a difficult time locating a 512 American model (walnut stock, no sights). After I get that worked out I'll go to work on the trigger. I was able to get a real nice aftermarket trigger for my 452, but it came with such a good trigger I never bothered to install it.....always something on the to-do list.