A great review! Thank you for sorting them in with the competition's price points! I'm currently using a entry level Garmin watch and was eye-balling the Coros watches quite a bit. Mostly because I like their styling. But if the GPS is just off vs. the 955, I don't see myself paying the same cash for an inferior product.

The Apex 2 Pro is my first and only sport watch and it ticked boxes for my interests that I couldnt find elsewhere at the same price point. I don't do a lot of running between tall buildings and I don't need all the fancy Garmin integrations, but I do heavily use maps for backcountry navigation and I enjoy that I can take serveral-day trips with tracking and navigation without ever worrying about battery life. A lot of what im looking for is only available once you get into the Fenix/Epix-level with Garmin.

Glad I did not wait for Apex2/Apex Pro2 and got the Apex 46mm while it was available. For me, even-though the Apex 46mm had been max out for updates, it’s features are perfectly sufficient. The previous version is also thinner at 11.9mm, less cumbersome while running and more classy for daily wear. Although I do not like to run with music, I wish my current Apex had the option which I would use from time to time. I suppose Coros will be adding music streaming on new version moving forward. I think Coros version 2 is still a great choice but I believe Coros lost it’s edge in comparison to other manufacturers. The battery is still a huge plus though. It’s hard to do better than an already very good watch.

Is reviewing the Fitbit Versa 4 or Sense 2 in the plan for ya? Thanks for all you do!

Thanks for the great review. What are your thoughts between the Apex 2/pro vs the Fenix 7?

Thanks for the subtle shot at Suunto. I needed that.

Question. Coros lists Electrocardiogram Sensor for the Apex 2/Pro on their site. But I noticed on your comparison site, it says NO for ECG. I'm confused. Hoping you can help and clear this up for me, as ECG is something I need. Great video brotha. 🤘🏻

Agreed on your summary, I do feel very underwhelmed by this update of features, having had the Vertix 2, it doesn't seem like they have innovated from there (other then capturing similar features at a lower price point), and mapping would have been a great place to start, I found the map on the Vertix 2 virtually useless with it's poor contrast and lack of street/trail names. And understanding the build quality is "better" than a Garmin 955, they should not be placing themselves in the same ballpark price wise. Just an added note, I recently purchased the Amazfit Trex 2 and looking at the Falcon, this brand would be an interesting one to review and compare with Coros considering their price points and build quality as well.

@MrBlubb80

7 ай бұрын

It's great to see competition and I hope coros will improve the accuracy (they have a long way to go). But also garmin is far from perfect, adding features. Like sleep score that are very close to complete bogus.

DC you did that run in my area, would be amazing bump with you in one of your reviews hahaha 😅

Nice multi-function watchband & waterproof.

The reliability/accuracy is my deal-breaker, albeit in awe of the tech overall, I know I would hate paying out and then still not being able to trust the readings in the field or the stats later. And this is for a new device, who knows what longevity these things have. Which is why as a potential customer I rely heavily on influencers like yourself! Plus I bet the brands all live in terror of your review conclusions. Not sure I could handle the responsibility!

@MrBlubb80

7 ай бұрын

Garmin has its fair share of bogus metrics in their watches as well. Unfortunately it's really a race for the company that comes up with most features, not the one that is most reliable. Reviewer like DC rainmaker are really important to get this changed. In the garmin at least two thirds of the measures are so inaccurate they are misleading or dangerous. The coros is only slightly worse.

I really appreciate your channel. I am in a real debate between this and the Garmin Venu3. On paper they seem really similar (and the same price). My main sport is rock climbing, then some hiking, pickleball and disc golf. Any thoughts? A comparison video would be AMAZING! (Any inside info when the Coros is getting an update)

The assesment of the price point vs Garmin Forerunners is heavily one-sided imo. The Apex 2 is made way more out of premium materials and not only plastic. I also think the watch wins in accuracy regarding elevation / ascent accuracy for big mountain days. Will see in my tests. I tried recently 2 Garmin watches for big mountain days (not only 100m ascent test). And Garmin watches are far off the accuracy which I get from my Suunto watch. I do also not have hPa data during activity when there is no accurate continuous correction of altitude. Garmins DEM method I found very inaccurate depending on accuracy of map data on certain peaks of mountains. So that's why unfortunately Garmin is no option for me. There is also much noise about the Baro of Garmins in forums. Not clear why they do so many functions, but do not clean up this essential thing. I think Coros is maybe more comparable to an "advanced" Suunto which for now does not exist. I believe that's also the reason why Coros has 2 new famous ambassadors and the fastest UTMB man ;-). This is very big value and trust. Also I think Garmin has no ECG sensor and is doing this via SW guessing? Also Coros is known for big feature updates, which is a big value for me. So I am curious about testing the Apex 2...

I think they missed even having the nfc card payment and proper integration with the stryd like garmin does.. I think for running the ecosystem for coros is better but then garmin has a better over all base ecosystem for cycling and running I think anyway.. plus maps navigation they really need to up that to compete with competitors battery life won't alway win when you don't actually need it unless your doing big ultra marathons.

Which one do you think is better for ultra runs Garmin Forerunner 255 or Apex 2 non pro?

ya I´ll take my 255 over those 2 any time lol. The GPS accuracy on that watch is insane! Pretty much all features of the 955 except for training readiness and the touchscreen but I will always like buttons for a sport watch

@clitaiulian4497

Жыл бұрын

I have a 255 and a Vertix 2. The Vertix 2 is always behind the 255 when reporting the final distance after a workout, be it run, hike or bike. Thing is I’ve noticed that the 255 is adding extra distance like crazy when standing still. I noticed this on a recent hike I did a few days ago. On the other hand, I ran an officially measured route 3 times and the 255 was spot on on every pass while the Vertix 2 was a bit behind but still consistent, giving the same distance on every pass. I’ll have to do more testing. As a a side note, the OHR on the 255 is amazing, significantly better than the Vertix 2.

Okay, so is it good idea to change from suunto 9 peak? Currently I am using suunto for almost 5 years (suunto 9baro before).

Awesome review. Is the running requirement still the same to activate EvoLab? Thanks!

@fitgearhunter

Жыл бұрын

Oh and how does the brightness compare to other Coros of the past? It's always been so dim

@brandongittelman

Жыл бұрын

Yes, running is still required.

@fitgearhunter

Жыл бұрын

@@brandongittelman Thanks so much - such an arduous requirement

Thanks, a lot. I did everything alright by purchasing a Pace2 with most bang for buck. Won’t opt for Pod2. Not to mention, on race day it’s ability & feel that counts, though publicized wobbly Strava paths may require some serious runner’s explanations for fellow serious runners, probably tired of reading such 😊

@trailzrock2

Жыл бұрын

Agreed! The Pace 2 is still the Best Coros makes. Lightweight and ANT+ support. Perfect multisport watch.

@maxwellerickson7066

Ай бұрын

@@trailzrock2 And now the Pace 3!

@trailzrock2

Ай бұрын

@@maxwellerickson7066 I really like the Pace 3, but because I do indoor riding on cycling platforms I can't use it because it doesn't have ANT+. But I do like the Pace 3 and what it offers for the money. Just wished it had ANT+ to pair my power meter to both the watch and the tablet 👎

As I am a female with small wrists I enjoy watches that offer two different sizes....would you consider doing a review of sports watches for slender (female) wrists? Thanks! always enjoy your videos!

So it falls short in features and accuracy, but they DO have Effort Pace

Thanks for the informative video, can you please do a review of Amazefit falcon

One of my biggest problems is lack of third party support. Garmin leads the charge in comparison.

@brucelin5842

2 ай бұрын

Is Garmin’s ecosystem better ?

During my run the Digital Crown kept turning and changing the screen is there a way to lock Digital Crown or shut crown off ?

Thank you

Think that not only the price is the reason to select this type of watch. It's rather interesting for people who do ultra running in general and don't really need the marketing gimmicks that a Garmin offers but see more use in the simplicity and good battery life that these have to offer. That is where Garmin comes in to trouble because except for the fenix 7X and the enduro 2 none of their watches is capable in delivering a decent battery life for mountain 100Miler races for non top athletes. Also I and a lot of people always take my phone with me to make sure I can call when I come later or get injured to contact anyone who needs to know. So Why would I need spotify or any other service on the watch anyhow? I always see this coming back in all the reviews, but it's just because this is not interesting for the people who come look at these watches.

12:25 The correct way to shout out to Kofuzi is "Yo! What's going on!" :-)

Did you hear anything about coros adding stand alone save locations

So,... three years of waiting and finding out that Garmin is "light years" ahead again, just like three years ago... 😃

@HDvids101

Жыл бұрын

So I just started looking at watches on sites. They say Apple is no.1 and Samsung no.2.... ?

@Enoch-Root

Жыл бұрын

@@HDvids101 from what I've seen the Garmin Forerunner 955 is considered better than the Apple Ultra, and where I am it's quite a bit cheaper too. Garmin also have some scales which connect with that app, so those combined with the watch would I suspect provide absolutely amazing health data.

@davidlynch9049

Жыл бұрын

@scs-suisse But, it's not accurate.

@pedrovorpholiveira9154

Жыл бұрын

Garmin is 100miles away from the competition

@SuAlfons

Жыл бұрын

@@HDvids101 SmartWatch maybe. A Sportswatch has a different feature set and battery life

the big difference between this Coros and the Garmin competition is the quality of the materials

What gps watch do you recommend for hiking in the $400 price point?

Seriously underwhelming, sadly. I was hoping for a bang. Coupled with no ANT+ support, this is a hard pass for me. Thanks for the review, DCR!

@vg3222

Жыл бұрын

Agreed :(

At 8:42 you mention routable maps. Does the Garmin have that feature? I have the Fenix 6X and sometimes it would be nice to get an ad-hoc "take me from here to the start of a course" feature. I don't think that that feature is supported right? I think it has a "take me back to my start" but not a "create me a quick track to this waypoint". Am I right in saying this or no?

@Dcrainmaker

Жыл бұрын

Routable maps are part of the Fenix 6X, as well as all Fenix 7, FR945/FR955/Epix, etc... The take me to the start of the course is on the Edge units (and actually prompts you), I don't have a Fenix 6X in front of me right this second, but I don't think it prompts you offhand, but rather, you can hold to open the navigation options once you've loaded the course and I think it'll offer it there. Either way, routable maps-wise, none of that exists on the COROS watches.

@Seanonyoutube

8 ай бұрын

⁠@@Dcrainmakeris this still true for Coros? Or did maps become routable with the introduction of turn by turn navigation? I don’t yet own a coros watch (trying to decide between coros and garmin) but on the coros phone app, if I built a route, the lines will adhere to the roads on the map-suggesting that it does recognize roads? So has there been any chance since your last comment?

Help I currently have an Apple Watch 7. Battery life is a joke but I understand given it’s feature set. However, I started working out more and hiking mountains on my summer trips and want a watch that will give me decent accuracy that has: 1) Topo maps 2) Navigate hiking trails 3) elevation 4) Blood ox, HR I hate the look of Garmin instinct. What options do I have that are around $200-$400 price range? Im overwhelmed by the options. Thanks

@ozab2072

10 ай бұрын

What did u get

@Mdogbrown

10 ай бұрын

@ozab2072 I said screw it and got the Fenix 7 pro. I tried the instinct 2 Solar and the compass was a joke, even after calibration. The Fenix is so much better. Took it on a hiking trip and it navigated me safely up the mountain.

@ozab2072

10 ай бұрын

@@Mdogbrown good for you

“I’m still not in team pod yet” 😂

So, I had the opportunity to test it out and I must say that GPS is pretty bad when compared to a standard Epix 2 (non-sapphire), even with multiband enabled. It had me walking through buildings and my neighborhood is not challenging at all (non of my other devices struggle with it). There isn't a tall building in sight and the street is wide. Sigh. Seems like I'll be stuck with Garmin forever. 😂

Hi Ray, thanks for your great videos, I’m looking for a sports watch and am aware of the Motorola ‘Moto 360’, it seems a very reasonable watch? but have never heard you mention it or certainly not review it, unless I’ve missed something, in which case I apologise. Do you know this watch? will you ever review it?, thanks again, Rob

@Dcrainmaker

Жыл бұрын

Hmm, the Moto 360 was a watch nearly a decade ago, with one more version from 2017. :-/

I read so many negative comments am I the only want thats a little bit excited

@petervfl

Жыл бұрын

Nope, just bought the Apex 2....love the Coros eco-system too.

I went from Apple to Garmin. The two things I miss is that on the Garmin, it never updates my calendar, and it will not buzz when using maps. Does the Apex do these?

@highseastrader4190

Жыл бұрын

It can buzz when using navigation.

Just seems like such an old-school display and UI... Especially if you have been used to an Apple Watch or have seen the new Forerunner 265/965 next to these

@Dcrainmaker

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, the general reason to use a MIP display is to save battery life. So typically the Apple Watch/265/965 won't last as long as a MIP-based display like this.

So you're a fellow ziggo customer 😀

Pretty disappointed in these. And I was really looking forward to this. After 3 years. Same watch/body design basically, same crappy/big bezel with the stupid design in the bezel, smaller watch for more $$$. For the regular Apex 2 at least.

Honestly if Xiaomi/amazfit/Huawei ever come out with a proper workout builder for intervals etc like coros and garmin, these companies are in trouble. The aforementioned brands have great looking watches with great tech and price, just need the software to catchup

@Chris_hong_sung

Жыл бұрын

At least the Huawei GT Runner has a very capable Intervall builder already

@elliotjack6999

Жыл бұрын

@@Chris_hong_sung I never knew that, I think amazfit is also looking to develop this shortly and update their older devices just based on marketing and the recent falcon launch

@Chris_hong_sung

Жыл бұрын

@@elliotjack6999 Ah that's interesting too. There seems to be quite some models, that will include more and more functions from the "traditional" sportswatches by Garmin, Polar, Coros etc.

There are a lot of misconceptions here. Do you really need maps? How often are you hiking without a phone? And if you're a pro, do you really rely on the watch? Do you really need 100% hr accuracy? If you do, use HR strap! Even the best garmin doesn't have that level of accuracy. So you need an optical sensor just for resting hr, and things that are not that challenging. And these things almost all watches can handle. Coros apex Pro 1 has much better materials than garmin, up to 600 dollars. 3 years coros apex pro, no single scratch. Music support - I like the idea. If you want, you can load some mp3s and they'll be available no matter what. Apex pro received all the updates, apex - not. If you want to buy a coros, it can be a Pace 3 or Apex 2 pro. First is price 2 performance, second is good materials and support, but they are pretty much the same. And yes, sometimes apex pro 1 during the simple hike can show wildly inaccurate heart rate, and this is an issue. Maybe apex 2 pro is better in that regard.

Imagine buying a Coros watch - a sports watch - and then, for example, getting the glass scratched. You would expect it to be repaired at a fair price, right? But Coros, they exchange it and refund you about one third of the original price of the watch. This means you pay TWO THIRDS of the price of a new watch to get the glass replaced. While at least they are transparent about it on their website, I find this policy unacceptable. But all these reviews here only cover features, not the service or reliability and policy of the manufacturers. So that's where they can make the money. It's up to you to change that!

So the GNSS isn't very accurate. Is this the watch used by Killian Jornet?

@Dcrainmaker

10 ай бұрын

Correct. But he’s a paid/sponsored athlete by COROS.

@Sinasi08

10 ай бұрын

@@Dcrainmaker he might be using Garmin Fenix/Epix in secret 😂

@juanjopaz9905

2 ай бұрын

​@@Sinasi08or Suunto... 😅

Their strength profile is pathetic and has been mentioned many times to them, nothing like Garmin's, also can't pair RUNN sensor on a pace 2, watch faces are meh, however sometimes I like the simplicity of coros, but not at £500 uk costs.

Build quality totally different to 955! Coros may lack features compared to Garmin but Coros has the upper hand on build. That plays a factor in price.

@DinodogJr

Жыл бұрын

I am having Fenix 3 with only scratches all around the body. Nothing obvious physically damages on my watch by a staring. Compared to Apple Watch series with lotsa high tech material used. Still I see many Apple Watches with damaged, cracked screen, water leaked units shared online. I was considering coros due to its price and overall built quality. Software wise for sports data , it seems that Garmin still leading of the All. Plus the multi channels GPS, I am thrilled with that.

@coverupify

Жыл бұрын

Agree - the reason I picked the Apex over even a Fenix 6 or 7 was because the inconsistent build quality, particularly with cheap double pressing buttons, just doesn't match the price for those Garmin watches, even if features and eco system bonuses are great. I want something I can be proud and confident to wear and enjoy the tactile and physical elements of the watch too.

No ANT+ 😱 coros is following in the footsteps of Suunto and Polar. I do a lot of indoor riding. I need that powermeter to connect to bothy iPad and my watch at the same time. There are no dual frequency Bluetooth power sensors so this watch is a no go for me. Again!!👎 Vertix 2 let me down and so is this one. I'm sticking to Garmin for the foreseeable future i guess. FR955 Solar seems to keep checking all the sports watch boxes more than any other watch out there

@ashley1scott

Жыл бұрын

ANT+ is owned by Garmin, companies have to pay Garmin to be able to use this feature and Garmin can just pick a price

@trailzrock2

Жыл бұрын

@@ashley1scott i know that, but that still make watches without ANT+ toothless for pairing multiple devices with the same sensor 👎 it's a no go for many a athlete that need that. Wahoo and so does the Coros Pace 2 alhave AnT+ along Bluetooth 👍

No streaming service is a deal breaker for a $400+ watch.

@Lasombra08

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, Coros doesn't have the money for those services. None of the smaller companies do. They are simply not big enough.

@Sk1nnyF4t

Жыл бұрын

Can you clue me in here, streaming what?

@ashley1scott

Жыл бұрын

@@Sk1nnyF4t I think he is talking Spotify etc

@uldistucs

5 ай бұрын

This is a sports watch not a music device. Not only one top ultramarathoner in the world uses Coros, I think this is a good indicator of the quality of Coros for the price.

Tempting to swicth from fenix series to coros... Coros offer more data than garmin...without any additional sensor

@codyjackson7355

Жыл бұрын

Like what?

@nadlirfakhry4189

Жыл бұрын

@@codyjackson7355 running dynamic...vertical oscilation,stride leght,ground concact

@codyjackson7355

Жыл бұрын

@@nadlirfakhry4189 Gotcha, what Fenix are you coming from? And out of curiosity how do you use that data for your running?

@nadlirfakhry4189

Жыл бұрын

Currently using fenix 5X

@mattswanson7215

Жыл бұрын

@@nadlirfakhry4189 my fenix 5x has those features

The only good thing is No AMOLED display. At least it won't look like you're wearing a phone on your wrist and the battery lasts.

@RunnerRemRem

Жыл бұрын

Disagree. I just went from a F7X SS to an Epix gen 2 and the screen is a major update, particularly if you do lots of swimming like I do. AMOLED have a way better readability than MIP indoor. You can set the brightness in a way that it doesn't scream "cellphone" on your wrist. I dont see myself going back to a MIP screen.

@trailzrock2

Жыл бұрын

@@RunnerRemRem i didn't say the screen doesn't look good. Just not for me. I don't swim very much and the MIP is super in direct sunlight. I personally don't like AMOLED screen watches because of the hit on battery life but mostly because it looks too much like a phone on your wrist. Personal preference. I just like the subdued look of a traditional watch screen 👍

@RunnerRemRem

Жыл бұрын

@@trailzrock2 it is true that MIP are more subtle. Personal preference as you say 😊

Garmin is all plastic. Coros is Titanium and Saphire and battery. Thats the diference

Does the Interval in the run let you set Run-Walk (Jeffing) alerts? Still: No Spotify support No replies to alerts. No wireless charging No pay feature Sadly but even with a shorter battery life the Apple watches are superior.

@eddyr3691

Жыл бұрын

Bit like comparing an off roader to a tesla and complaining about it not being a tesla, anyone could have told you what you needed to know - if you want an apple watch get an apple watch

@cwalker1569

Жыл бұрын

@@eddyr3691 I'm looking for a versatile wrist tool. Coros is not keeping up with that. Garmin Epix and Venu lines are doing that. Apple is doing that.

😃

So still a premium price for poor accuracy a year later.

BRO! I’m wAitINg FoR tHe dJi M3 claSICK ReviEW!!!

Why does everyone talk so fast on KZread videos nowadays. It's ridiculous! Are you on stimulants!Reducing the speed to 0.85x resembles more normal speech and is easier to follow

The look of the watch is really cheap 😢😢

Am I first 🥇

You didn't mention the insane battery life.

@Dcrainmaker

Жыл бұрын

I put an entire slide with the battery life. As noted though, it’s not that crazy these days.

Smart watches are going to dramatically advance in the next few years. As early as 2025, we will look at these watches the same way we look at 8-bit video games.

No Chinese Coros thank you

In your summary. Comparing them to the forerunner 955 and 255 you forget one big advantage that Coros have. It’s made with premium materials. Titanium and sapphire cristal. That is a HUGE difference. Especially at that price point. Shame on you for overlooking that.

@Dcrainmaker

Жыл бұрын

It’s not the whole case that’s titanium, but merely the top bezel. And sapphire? It’s not much different than Gorilla Glass DX, you can even look it up (and Sapphire glass actually more breakable, albeit slightly less scratchable). It sounds like you’re just repeating things you read on a FB group, without researching them…

@harismout219

Жыл бұрын

@@Dcrainmaker DX offers good scratch resistance, while DX+ is as close as you can get to Sapphire (Grade 9 on the Mohs scale), and 955 wears DX.

@jramirez8425

Жыл бұрын

@@DcrainmakerResearching them? My friend, You made the video about it and put it out there for us, the public to see. Is it not your job to research them for us and make a full and fair comparison? You influence people’s purchasing decisions based on your reviews and comparisons. Since you went ahead and compared it to the Garmin watches, I believe you still should have mentioned the fact that the materials and build quality are superior and that might have contributed to the increase in price. That difference is something worth mentioning to your audience. If you’re going to make a comparison, do a FULL comparison not just partial. The fact that you completely left that out is what I’m calling you out on. And don’t worry I’m completely capable of thinking for myself and not just regurgitate words I hear in “FB” chats. (BTW I don’t follow any fitness or smart watch groups if you must know).

@jramirez8425

Жыл бұрын

@@harismout219 correct. But later on in the review he goes on to compare these watches with Garmin forerunner watches and makes NO mentions AT ALL about the difference in materials and build quality. That’s why I called him out on. He complained about them NOT being cheaper than the Garmin watches but yet doesn’t take into account what I mentioned. That’s not a fair comparison in my opinion.

@appleseeds11

Жыл бұрын

@@Dcrainmaker I was curious about this too. Although the price makes a natural comparison to the 955, the design looks more comparable to the Fenix 7, in which case Coros is undercutting on price. What are your thoughts on that?