“A shooting competition isn’t a gunfight, but a gunfight is a shooting competition.” Very well said!

@rbm6184

9 ай бұрын

@sword111119 Exactly. Competition does get shooters used to running and gunning under stress and its the best we have but it is not a gunfight where the shooter is under fire being shot at. Pucker factor. Targets don't shoot back and that is another level of stress that can't be duplicated. Scenario simulations may work better at getting the shooter used to receiving fire from threats while under stress but even that is still not the real thing. Paint ball and air soft type of events might get as close as we can because shooters are shot at. In the real world a gunfight is a competition you can't afford to lose when your life is on the line. Competition is still a pressure laboratory to get some stress while shooting and being timed to get hits. Run and gun. Threats don't stand still. Skill testing. The gunfight IS a shooting match. I really like that quote by Mas.

@tax905972

9 ай бұрын

@@rbm6184In gunfights you want cover or concealment.

@tax905972

9 ай бұрын

Spray and pray and risk shooting a innocent bystander. How about your on the stand and say you fired too kill the suspect.

@rbm6184

9 ай бұрын

@@tax905972 I never said you didn't want concealment and cover.

@rbm6184

9 ай бұрын

@@tax905972 No one said we aren't responsible for every round that leaves our gun. The point here is folks need pressure and stress under fire because that is what they are going get in a real gunfight. Just practicing on a square range at stationary targets won't get the job done. Threats in a real gunfight are not stationary. A real gunfight is not the time to be shocked from being shot at by moving threats.

A gunfight IS a shooting match. You gotta love this guy!

@MatadorM9

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, I wasn't expecting that commanding voice haha It was cool.

@jrexchandler1

9 ай бұрын

Occasionally he’ll scare the crap out of you in class.

@pugchesh

6 ай бұрын

He's legit. He knows real deal police work. This man has the credentials to tell you what's right and wrong in the gun world.

@obxburg

2 ай бұрын

You just can't beat straight up honesty 😂🙌🏼

I love it when Massad raises his voice. It's like a demon possessing him 😅

My father was a Green Beret and taught us gun safety and marksmanship from a very young age. He said if you're in a gunfight and can't find cover, make yourself a smaller target and take time to aim even if you're being fired at. He also stressed being very familiar with your firearm as far as bringing it to bear, aiming, firing and reloading because if it becomes second nature in practice it'll be second nature when you need it most.

@saudalblaihed3925

7 ай бұрын

That is why it is wise to train one gun. Shooting too many different guns and platforms hinders that

@Ed-ig7fj

7 ай бұрын

I read about one of the old time gunslingers who said, "You have to learn to take your time in a hurry." --Old Guy

@009013M3

6 ай бұрын

Back when we used to do airsoft, that was my deal. If you don't have cover within three paces, just dive for prone. Two birds with one stone. You're a smaller target and you suddenly have a *very* stable shooting position to speed up the process of taking an accurate shot. They didn't like me doing that in NRL Hunter though.

@tjpit

5 ай бұрын

@@saudalblaihed3925I mostly agree. However, I have been wisely taught by someone, this happened to him in military combat , that you NEED to be familiar with other weapons in case yours malfunctions or is destroyed by incoming fire. This is not super common but neither are gunfights.

I could listen to Mas read a takeout menu and not be bored. Always excellent advice.

@Zeevuhl

9 ай бұрын

😐

Mass you documented my 1974 gunfight in a 2016 edition of American Handgunner. While I had not participated in competition shooting I was a Viet Nam combat veteran and qualified high expert over my six years on the PD at that point. I still enjoy my range time and qualified for LEOSA this past Summer w/a score of 96.4% well into my 70th decade.

@Old_Sailor85

9 ай бұрын

...or 7th decade, I doubt you are 700 years old! 😉

@cleondubois1270

9 ай бұрын

I've been qualifying in LEOSA for a few years also. It's good to get together with these guys & swap a lot of tales. Good humor always prevails.

@brandonmusick77

9 ай бұрын

Over 700 years old? What's your diet program like? Any longevity tips?

@tonobaker601

8 ай бұрын

@@brandonmusick77 this vampire can only buy brass ammo lmao

@Old_Sailor85

7 ай бұрын

@@oktoday8323 It's called a joke. OK ok?

Really loved this video. Massad is such a great storyteller!

@PaintballBo

9 ай бұрын

Massad has many, many sons. Thank you junior

This was the most epic monologue ive heard in a long while. Great. Informative, historic context, bit of drama. Amazing. Thanks. Very inspiring.

Love when Mas gets his loud voice going you know that’s when he means business

@charlesmullins3238

6 ай бұрын

I bet in court he’s just as solid

I couldn't help but laugh out loud when he gave the "Sherlock" retort. Made me feel right at home, one smart a _ _ old guy to another. I had the pleasure to meet Massad a number of years ago in Harrisburg PA. A gracious gentleman and seemed sincerely appreciative when I told him that my son and son-in-law were Pennsylvania State Troopers. Probably close to 30 years ago but I still consider it a very special introduction.

To support what Mas is teaching, don’t let ammo cost slow you down. Our Chief started to complain about the ammo but myself and Sgt. Miles were cranking the old Star reloader and casting our bullets with a 4 cavity Hensley and Gibbs. He should have never said “shoot all you want.”

"Competition IS skill testing." I have always loved Massad's content. I respect him more than most on KZread. He's done a LOT for the 2nd amendment. He is a TREASURE to the American public. Massad, thank you sir for your service and for sharing your experience and knowledge.

Champion shooter Rob Leatham summed it up pretty well when he said (and I’m paraphrasing), “Competition is a game and will never duplicate combat… but I doubt anyone would want to get into a gunfight with me.”

When I lived in San Antonio back in the late 70s and early 80s I remember one gun shop owner who regularly participated in weekend action shooting matches and always carried a cocked and locked 38 Super in his store. Some punks from a gang entered his shop one day intent on robbing him and he ended up in a running gunfight with them. As I recall he killed at least one and may have put two more in the hospital. He came out of it unscathed. Another San Antonio gun shop owner I knew was not so lucky. He was opening his store when some punks brained him from behind and left him in a semi-vegetative state from then on. Similarly, near my home town in Florida a gun shop owner I'd known for years was stabbed in the back and robbed. He spent the rest of his life in a wheelchair. The point I'm making is simply having access to a gun is not enough. Training and mindset are critical to survival. That's why my motto has always been "He who trains, wins".

@shawnmann9491

9 ай бұрын

And without situational awareness, all of the tools and techniques will be of no use!

@Paladin1873

9 ай бұрын

@@shawnmann9491 Yes.

@Paladin1873

9 ай бұрын

@@oktoday8323 I agree. For example, when my brother was a cop he would go so far as to practice firing from very unusual positions such to the rear under his shoulder when kneeling (in case an attacker struck suddenly from behind him).

I have so much respect for this man. 🇺🇸

I don't shoot comps but have been shooting on the job everyday for 20 years in some very stressful situations. It definitely makes a difference!

@DragunovSVDreaper

9 ай бұрын

What job? Armorer?

@trevorlock3615

9 ай бұрын

@@DragunovSVDreaper Wildlife specialists

Carlos Hathcock was a competitive shooter with the Marine Corps prior to becoming a Scout Sniper with extensive counter-sniper. He was known to have eliminated NVA and Viet Cong snipers

Wow! I'm just beginning my USPSA journey. In addition to all the other good reasons, I thought it would be good to learn to be under pressure. Having someone like Mas agree makes me feel like I'm on the right track. Thanks, Mas!

@PaintballBo

9 ай бұрын

Mas has many sons around the country, you are lucky enough to be one of them. Thank you

Confirmed competitive shooters are 3-0 on our big channel in real gunfights and all three won decisive and dominant victories.

Hi! Retired Green Beret (combat vet) and 2020 USPSA PCC (Grandmaster) WA State Champion here… Comparing a competition with RULES and an actual gunfight without them is a moot argument. Massad is right. Doing competition things in a gunfight would get you killed. But a gunfight IS a competition. The winner comes out alive and that’s typically the better shooter WITH tactics applied because the FUNDAMENTALS of rifle/pistol marksmanship are the same. Recognize the separate environments and make the appropriate decisions to stay alive. 🇺🇸

Thank you Mr. Ayoob. I'm a former Texas Peace Officer and Retired Marine Grunt who shots competition every week. I just ordered the book Guns, Bullets and Gunfights as I wasn't aware that this book existed. Again, Thanks Sir.

@Paladin1873

9 ай бұрын

It's a fascinating read.

Masaad is a living legend I remember when I was a kid since the 90s reading gun magazines and getting into his input on many subjects I also remember Jeff Cooper RIP true teachers speak the truth and the principles of discipline and history we need more teachers like this.

I started shooting Bullseye and local PPC matches when I was 16, becoming interested through my older police officer brother. Five years later, I was called upon to engage two men in an armed robbery attempt with a 2-inch Model 36. I was scared to death, and in fact urinated on myself during the event, but I can attest that the shooting was absolutely no challenge after five years of looking for my front sight, and my hits were surprisingly accurate. I credit competition for that. Some years later, I heard Jim Cirillo give a presentation at Quantico, to which local LEO's were invited. When he talked about being able to count the serrations on his front sight, I could identify.

Awesome video! I’m a retired LEO. Way back my shooting instructor would put so much pressure on me , I’d get mad. Well I finally realized that pressure would save my life. I also shot competition for years. More pressure, and I used it to, and for my advantage. I got very good at shooting under pressure. Skill period.

I began reading gun stuff in 1982, age 13, and I was lucky to stumble almost immediately on Mr. Ayoob's wiritings. In short, he taught me correct and effective English writing (I am Italian), and of course was and remains the No.1 go-to source for anything regarding practical situations involving guns. What a Man!!

Thanks for the great perspective. One friend survived and one did not. Both were ambushed and didn’t get a chance for the first shot.

You and I are about the same age. I took your MAG 40 in Live Oak in 2016. Came in with a score of 290 and in the top 10 of that class. Unlike you, I've only been shooting competitions for about 11 years; mostly IDPA. I couldn't agree more! Shooting under pressure in a competition is the closest thing to a gunfight most of us will ever see. Through a lot of hard work I have qualified to shoot the IDPA World Championship in 2 weeks. I'm only a sharpshooter, but my experience in IDPA and as a CRSO at our local range has taught me that even the lowest ranked competitor is miles above the average Joe or Jill in speed and accuracy. There is no better way to test and improve your skills than in competition.

@yellowmanusa

9 ай бұрын

I'm with you, Ernie. Competition is the only way to test your skills and complex problem-solving for fast times.

I agree with everything you said. I am former law-enforcement myself now we call stress inoculation.

2:20 I can cite scores of examples of competitive shooters doing well real world and have never found a single example of competitive shooting causing a problem.

There are very few men, very few, whereby I wouldn’t doubt the accuracy of their information or question their motives or integrity. Mas is one of those men. 👍🏼

This man would be a wonderful instructor or teacher rather in any topic that he's well versed on. I find his videos to be very informative to the point and he's got some pretty damn funny one-liners. I'm also very proud to say that as a native of new hampshire..... We had this man helping us for so long as a police officer and I believe he was a prosecutor after that and then went on to take his knowledge and share it. He has been teaching people everything about firearms for a very long time. Hell he was right around my age or younger when he started. Now that's dedication.

I started my federal law enforcement career in 1987, and every pay day i went to the local bookstore and bought my copies of the shooting magazines, or picked up the ones i ordered in. Masad Ayoob was one of my gurus. In 1991 i was asked to be a collateral duty firearms instructor, and was one, as well as a field armorer, until i had to retire early in 2009. Reading Masad's articles, among many others ( Bill Jordan comes to mind) convinced me to join our local PPC league. I was only 1 of 2 feds in the league at first, but i soon convinced other friends to join. I always shot the courses with my duty carry firearm, at first it was a,Ruger Security Six with a 2 3/4 inch barrel, and sometimes a Ruger GP 100 with a 4 inch barrel. But i preferred my security six even though it was a snubby with fixed sights. I never was champion of the league, but was almost always in the top 5 or 6. But i will say that all that extra shooting under pressure was invaluable. Back in those days, before everyone went to high capacity semi autos, we really emphasized marksmanship. And i never forgot a quote by Bill Jordan: " fast is fine, but accurate is final"

Always love and appreciate these videos.

Great to have more content from Mas.

Always great information

Such great information always from Mass! Please do as many videos as you are able. The world needs them!

Thank you sir,for your wisdom.

Seems clear to me. Thank you.

You never disappoint. All of your team is truly a treasure!

Great information!!

I love Mr Ayoob, he is a treasure trove of real world knowledge and information!

The best video I’ve seen yet! Thanks for putting this out.

Thanks Mas, great talk! Sadly, my training has been interrupted for a year. Hope to get back to it in the new year.

Thanks, Massad. I agree.

I love this man!

Thank you Sir. A pleasure listening to your expertise.

There are very few who can convey a message like Massad Ayoob. “A gunfight is a shooting competition” kind of goes with the book title “No second place winner” by Bill Jordan.

Thank you for this video. I was recently talking with my brother about this topic. It's so invaluable to get your opinion and I loved the real life anecdotes, particularly Wyatt Earp's.

Love your videos ! Always loved reading your magazine articles, beginning decades ago. Thanks for the lesson and advice !

You’re an excellent teacher, explaining all the details that are important. Thank you.

I enjoy you MASS. thank you an take care. I could listen to you all day.

Outstanding answer.

Shooting competition will teach you proper gun handling. Trigger control, grip, sight picture, stance, clearing malfunctions and reloading under pressure will become second nature.

Outstanding

Thank you Mr. Ayoob!

Thanks for the fire under me. I needed to be reminded of the importance of completing. Great video.

Epic as always Massad! TY Sir!

Excellent monologue with rock solid points.

I can't love this video enough Mas! Thanks for always putting out good information!

Love this type of videos definitely very interesting.

Massad is the best ! Tells it like it is !

Like always Mass, you know what you are talking about.

How true. Thanks for another great video Massad!

Massad gives the best advice, thank you

Thank you Massad Ayoob, I needed to hear that!

As always Mr. Ayoob well said and precise, thank you Sir.

Thank you for the video. Mr. Ayoob is a national treasure and fantastic presenter.

Awesome stories. Thank you!!

Love his honesty!

Excellent answer! Thanks mass!

Great video Mass!

Absolute truth!

Greatest answer I have ever heard given these videos just make the day better

These videos are outstanding! We need trainers like this!!

I can watch this guy all freakin day... Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!

Incredible video. Thank you.

Great research for this question Massad. I don't think there is a better argument for competition than that. Thanks!

Thanks for sharing!!!

I just love hearing you talk it's so in you face.👍

Thanks Mas

Coming from someone who recently started shooting USPSA i agree that i get the same feeling every stage as the firat time i pulled down on a buck. Thank you for validating my feeling towards this and the many local officers who shoot with us at matches

When Mr Ayoob raises his voice you best damn listen.

I've considered entering competitions, but never thought it would help in a real world situation. Thank you for changing my mind!

Excellent! Powerful truth, delivered powerfully.

I can't say enough how much i love these videos. MA has that infinite wisdom...

There is only one Mas. The absolute gold standard.

Great info Mas, as always.

Cracked me up how my acadamy training went from "relax", "control breathing"....To jumping and running just before shooting at the range.

Thank you Massad Ayoob, you've been a major inspiration in my years in Law Enforcement. Thankfully, I've never had to use my firearm in the line of duty. Whether it's called "Competition" shooting or not, my understanding in surviving a gun battle is will, marksmanship, and training. When the SHTF, it comes down to personal determination (will), accuracy (marksmanship), and consistency (training). Competition shooting is a good effort to achieve all of those goals.

Massad I like your no BS answers. I think in different circumstances where we had to interact I could really like you. Keep on Keeping on.

If you are unaware, Mas has written a bunch of very good books. Get them. Read them. You will not be disappointed. Fantastic video and as always, straight shooting honest, practical advice. Yes, you must be the best shooter in a fight. Win it.

Thank you, sir! Shalom from Texas!

Words of wisdom as always.👍👍

Competition certainly helps vs day dreaming what you would do. Yet you have to be conscious to not make bad habits you will unknowingly will do in a shooting. I ran into issues when I did amature competition and I found myself doing competitions movements in defensive training that I would do during competitions to get a good score. Yet in defensive shooting was it was a huge mistake. Your body remembers how you train, not so easy to change up habits during a shooting.

Massad, you are awesome.

Thank you

Thanks, Massad!!

Great video and very informative.

I took a combat pistol training class. I was shooting against a paper target,waiting for the instructor to give the signal to fire... He said something else beside shoot! I was so jacked up I fired a round. Craaaaap Now I'm in for it! I got a little ribbing from the rest of the class,but hit my mark,impressed the instructor, and got my certification!

Thanks for another fabulous video, Mas! You sharing your experience is so very appreciated! For myself, my participation in target competition taught me so many shooting skills: sight alignment, trigger control, how to run the gun and swiftly clear stoppages, perform combat reloads, and demonstrate good marksmanship with an elevated heartrate. I sincerely advocate organized competition to anyone who wants to become skillful with a firearm, especially a handgun.